Saddam - The Sacrificial Lion

Re: # 84

frau sadna,

........ you really need to get over your pakistan fixation - it is not healthy .......

#86, {``Like i always say it is relative! I say close your eyes and imagine if Saddams Goons had killed your father, raped your mother and sister infront of you and then killed them, how would you feel ?
..... we muslims need to be a bit more tolerant in our approach! That goes for both people like Saddam and the rest of the community! ``}

Chingari,
As a fellow Shia I am perplexed by your vengeful attitude. The Shia experience in history is to suffer, to remember the suffering of our sacred Imams, and to forgive the bad Muslims who brought that suffering over them and now us. To behave in a vengeful manner makes us just like those Sunnis who supported Muawiya, Yazid, that Governor of Kufa, and the Ommayyads.

If some relative in Mahmudiya, Iraq closes his/her eyes and recalls the murder rape of the 14 year old girl and her family at the hands of Dubya`s goons, would you say that they would be happy to see el presidente at his own necktie party?

By the way, I agree with your last comment, especially ``AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.``

First thing first, I donot agree with the way things were handled, but as a shia muslim i cannot forget the sheer number of intellectuals that were killed in the Saddam Era. The list is long and it can get tiring if one was to investigate the number of intellectuals killed by him. It is for this reason that Shiahs celebrated his death openly. They have to right to celebrate I think. I think a normal shiah Iraqi who lost his brothers , sisters , father and mother at the hands of Saddams Goons wont be feeling sorry for him. Like i always say it is relative! I say close your eyes and imagine if Saddams Goons had killed your father, raped your mother and sister infront of you and then killed them, how would you feel ?

Everything is relative, I dont agree with the way things were handled, we should have completed the investigation of all the charges and then thrown down a verdict! Frankly I think saddam got an easy death , he deserved a much more painful death! Like maybe put to life imprisonment where he would not get to see the daylight ever, and not interact with any human what so ever! Rott to death would have been good!

I personally hate him for all the human beings he killed...... a leader is supposed to gather the whole nation and guide them into the future... not kill one segment of the population and side with the other..... we muslims need to be a bit more tolerant in our approach! That goes for both people like Saddam and the rest of the community!

#84, I swear - if the discussion on this board had been about the addiction of transvestite antelopes to gambling, you would have found a way to sneak ``Pakistan`` into the limelight.

Funny thing is unless I am mistaken, Umrikan taxpayer is paying for keeping Israel, Egypt and Pakistan afloat too. Without the Umrikan taxpayer, these countries would long ago have been forced to settle matters with their neighbours instead of dreaming of global manipulation/domination through defeat of the US in their local battlefields.

#79 masadi, sorry you`re late to the party. The argument over all available choices happened a long time ago and now people simply choose from the short list.

#80 {``...and which is why the Indian army has never overthrown an elected government....``}

Arjun Bhayya,

whatever. ... but you gotta admit that giving unsolicited vasectomies and denying newpaper ink to opposition papers came pretty darn close. All the free radios in the world couldn`t compensate a man for tying his tallywhacker.

``I would like to know which (dimwitted) political theory are you following ..``

masadi, are you actually samina shah? (scared icon)

dancing in the street is an expression of support duh. and why is going thru a political party process a non-representative? at most it does not represent you, but it does many others very nicely. sure there are lobbies and special interests..its use and be used system.

again, ask urstruly, amricans take responsibility, even those like him payed for iraq war. he could have refused to pay his taxes but did not threfore he supported the war. so while you try to find the perfect political system (you know the one which dishes out equal justice for all men and their first wives under a benevolent eye of god herself) many amrricans are happy with their imperfect system and use it and take responsibilty for their lives.

#76 by masadi on January 2, 2007 2:05pm PT


I would like to know which (dimwitted) political theory are you following in which ``dancing in the streets`` translates as representation?


It translated into acceptance...which is why they do it again and again...and which is why the Indian army has never overthrown an elected government....

``Freedom is not merely the opportunity to do as one pleases; neither is it merely the opportunity to choose between set alternatives. Freedom is, first of all, the chance to formulate the available choices, to argue over them -- and then, the opportunity to choose.``

(C. Wright Mills)

``Given these effects of the ascendant trend of rationalization, the individual `does the best he can.` He gears his aspirations and his work to the situation he is in, and from which he can find no way out. In due course, he does not seek a way out: he adapts. That part of his life which is left over from work, he uses to play, to consume, `to have fun.` Yet this sphere of consumption is also being rationalized. Alienated from production, from work, he is also alienated from consumption, from genuine leisure. This adaptation of the individual and its effects upon his milieux and self results not only in the loss of his chance, and in due course, of his capacity and will to reason; it also affects his chances and his capacity to act as a free man. Indeed, neither the value of freedom nor of reason, it would seem, are known to him`` (C. Wright Mills ).

#68 {``Are you talking about the same guy who was hiding in a rat hole while his nation was under attack? ``}

Kullee Payee,
It`s not nice to refer to an elementary school down South as a ``rat hole.`` And he wasn`t hiding, he was just playing it cool in front of the children.

#69, Hamidum {`` love these rules and regulations and get really upset if it drops below 45 psi when i am taking a shower ...........

...... i know that for those like you, who prefer to live in caves and have not heard of indoor plumbing, these things don`t really matter as long as you and your donkey are free to pee in the middle of the road .............. ``}

Hamidum Sahib,
If I were Mama Masadi, I would ask you what is the psi when you and your donkey relieve yourselves in unison?

jang writes <<< so masadi nothing will please you. pakis have dictators which are welcomed by the awam with gende ka har and dancing in the street but they are not representatives. nancy wins elections but she is not representative either >>>

I would like to know which (dimwitted) political theory are you following in which ``dancing in the streets`` translates as representation? Then when you have thought that through, think about how someone in America, not going through the corridors of either one of two parties, without powerful backing can ``make it`` to the corridors of power

hamid writes <<< masadi,

..... this morning when i went to starbucks i was glad glad >>>

Of course you were ``glad times two`` you don`t know any better. Faithfully adapting to all the rules has narrowed your life and thinking, it scares you to think outside of it, it destroys your humanity and ensures that this ``comfort level`` that you have happily got used to ensures that problems continue from generation to generation. You are more than welcome to a moronic/robotic existence but describing that as ``freedom`` is BS

#73 by SaimaShah on January 2, 2007 1:58pm PT

America`s left it`s cultural mark...

Didn`t you hear the audio with the hanging video...the shia hangman says to saddam ``whatever, loser..you`re, like, totally going to hang`` and then his cell phone rings.. that`s as american culture as it gets....

#73, {``They will merely be exterminated like flies that sit on good fruit. This type of modernity will be bloodier than all the wars of the last century. At last, exhausted, when the Earth has become a junkyard of plastic and chemicals, this modernization will retreat, unable to solve any of the problems it will create. ``

Saima,
In such a cheerful atmosphere, will it be redundant to wish you a Happy New Year? :)

Colonization, by yet another name.

The difference between the colonial masters--the British vs. the Americans is very key. The first replaced a culture with another culture. The second is replacing with nothing. The slaves of old took on language, art and clothes and they were given `education` to change them, the slaves of today will get nothing. They will merely be exterminated like flies that sit on good fruit. This type of modernity will be bloodier than all the wars of the last century. At last, exhausted, when the Earth has become a junkyard of plastic and chemicals, this modernization will retreat, unable to solve any of the problems it will create.