India’s Foreign Policy: An Analysis

#206 by ijaz_gul

Last year I travelled the entire Nara Desert on foot came and cross country vehicles along this course and ended at Nagar Parkar.

Raheela Gul (late) was trekking the same area around that time. Any acquaintance?

I was told about Raheela in Hunza a few years ago after she had trekked from Gilgit to the base of K-2 through Fairy Meadows leading a group of Japanese trekkers. She was something of a legend in those parts.

Dost,
Yes this part of Indian Rajistan is also part of the Nara Depression or the Nara Desert. About 70% falls in Pakistan and rest in India. Such salt lakes are also in Pakistan in areas like Kallar Kahar, Bannu etc. In fact there are many Harmoons (bitter lakes) in Central Balochistan. Water is extremely brackish and concentrated with soda and ash.

Just to comment on another discussion on the Board, HINDU word was derived from Schinde/Indus, and became a word defining religion very recently. As for origins of modern man, I offer the following: -
1. Cromagnon Man Balochistan Pakistan.
2. Ramapitecus, the first humanoid, Siwalik foothills, Pakistan/Kashmir.
3. Leh River, Once the biggest river on the South Pole Plate, after the tectonic drift became Leh Nullah in Rawalpindi/Islamabad. While moving from Islamabad Airport to Islamabad, you will notice a hill on the left with Unity, Faith and Discipline written. This hill was a humanoid habitation in the pre historic era.
4. Harappa, Mo en Jo Daro and Nara Civilisations.
5. The Throne of Mauryan Empire and the centre of education and learning was at Taxila.
6. Ghandhara Civilisation.

Cheerios

Netizen #224 I was referring to the mahabharata given the broad appeal of the mahabharata TV shows. The Gupta period was certainly known for its paintings and arts, and in that sense could be called a ``golden period``. Although I doubt that any period in past history was golden for the ordinary guys. After all, even Saddam Hussein had his ``golden period`` complete with magnificent palaces and other landmarks that were built to give him the same glory as nebuchadnazzer. But during this ``golden period`` half a million iraq children starved (of course this war has turned to be even worse for the average iraqi). The same of course is true of the ``golden era`` of the first four caliphs that the musim extremists talk about.

If there is any truly ``golden era`` for the average joe, it is today. When eradication of poverty is taken more seriously than building palaces or doing artwork for the enjoyment of kings. Anyway.... :-)

#226 You have been parroting this for 7 years on chowk.

Ref ali_1 #190

[Yes... YES... YES

Hail Harimau.

I`ve said it many times and I`ll say it again. blah, blah, blah....]

Here is what Wikipedia has to say in its entirety about Prophet Mohammad:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

[Muhammad
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paedophile]

Ref Mullah32 #203

[I am not saying exactly what you say I am, I hasten to add. I am saying is that Indian Civilization is not congruent with Hindu Civilization by any realistic stretch, and BJP propaganda and the popularity of mahabharata plays in India since the 1980`s (I think) notwithstanding. Indian Civilization is a vastly richer mosaic of religions, cultures, traditions, languages, scripts than hinduism alone.]

The only native religions of India of antiquity are Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism... in that order. Johnny-come-lately Islam had nothing to contribute except the destruction of temples and seats of learning. You probably would consider that a rich form of culture.

Most Indian languages with the exception of the Dravidian languages derive their script from Sanskrit or Pali. In fact Hindu civilization extended to Sri Lanka, Burma and Thailand and to this day their languages are written in scripts derived from Pali. Which happens to be a rational left-to-right script.

The only thing Islam imported into India is pedophilia. Here is what Wikipedia has to say in its entirety about Prophet Mohammad:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

[Muhammad
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paedophile]

And of course Richard Francis Burton recorded that in 1847, Karachi had several brothels that employed as many as 4,000 boys. Another rich tradition of Islam.

Choke on that! Or on someone`s dick.

Ref HackedPenis #217

[Only the current Sindhi and part of Punjab and NWFP, which were geographically known as Sindh, could claim the Indus civilization. Bharti or the resident of the country called India should look elsewhere for their roots…Bihar is a good place to start….]

Yes, Bihar indeed would be a good place to start.

Bihar, from ``Vihara``, for the temples that dotted the country.

Bihar, where the Mauryas established Pataliputra (modern-day Patna) as their capital in 455 BC.

Bihar, wherein lies Bodh Gaya where Buddha attained enlightenment.

Bihar, where liesin the ruins of the great university of Nalanda, established 427 AD, about which is written:

[Nalanda was one of the world`s first residential universities, i.e., it had dormitories for students. In its heyday it accommodated over 10,000 students and 2,000 teachers. The university was considered an ``architectural masterpiece,`` and was marked by a lofty wall and one gate. Nalanda had eight separate compounds and ten temples, along with many other meditation halls and classrooms. On the grounds were lakes and parks. The library was located in a nine storied building where meticulous copies of texts were produced. The subjects taught at Nalanda University covered every field of learning, and it attracted pupils and scholars from Korea, Japan, China, Tibet, Indonesia, Persia and Turkey. The Tang Dynasty Chinese pilgrim Xuanzang left detailed accounts of the university in the 7th century.

The university was an architectural and environmental masterpiece. It had eight separate compounds, 10 temples, meditation halls, classrooms, lakes and parks. It had a nine-story library where monks meticulously copied books and documents so that individual scholars could have their own collections. It had dormitories for students, perhaps a first for an educational institution, housing 10,000 students in the university’s heyday and providing accommodations for 2,000 professors. Nalanda was also the most global university of its time, attracting pupils and scholars from Korea, Japan, China, Tibet, Indonesia, Persia and Turkey.

A vast amount of what is considered to be Tibetan Buddhism (Vajrayana) actually stems from the late (9th-12th century) Nalanda teachers and traditions. Other forms of Buddhism, like the Mahayana followed in Vietnam, China, Korea and Japan, found their genesis within the walls of the ancient university. Theravada, the other main school of Buddhism, followed in Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, and elsewhere, and later the mystic Theravada schools also developed here.]

And in case momofukus like you are claiming the Indus Valley civilization as that of the Pakistanis, here is exactly what your momofuku ancestors did to Nalanda:

[In 1193, the Nalanda University complex was sacked by Turkic Muslim invaders under Bakhtiyar Khalji; this event is seen as a milestone in the decline of Buddhism in India. It is said that Khalji asked if there was a copy of the Koran at Nalanda before he sacked it.]

Ah yes, what is a library without The Book to End All Books, Life`s Little Instruction Book, otherwise known as the Koran?

On the other hand, this is what Wikipedia has to say in its entirety about Prophet Mohammad:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

[Muhammad
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Paedophile]

Re: # 219

tahmed:
I completely agree with you that anciet indian civilisation was much more than 20th century hindutva.

``The religion that has come to be known as Hinduism is certainly the oldest and most varied of all the great religions of the world. The word `Hinduism` itself is a geographical term based upon the Sanskrit name for the great river that runs across the northern boundaries of India, known as the Sindhu. For those living on the other side of this river, the entire region to the south-east of the Sindhu, which the Greeks called the Indus, came to be known as the land of the Hindus, and the vast spectrum of faiths that flourished here acquired the generic name Hinduism. In fact, Hinduism calls itself the Sanatana Dharma, the eternal faith, because it is based not upon the teachings of a single preceptor but- on the collective wisdom and inspiration of great seers and sages from the very dawn of Indian civilization.``

ancient Indian civilisation had ``Hindu``, Jain, Buddhist, Christian, animist and agnostic traditions. nevertheless it was a civilisation.


``mahabharata which the BJP touts as being the epitome of the ``glorious past`` of India``

i am not sure of that. mahabharat, th elongest epic in the world was not considered as a glorious past. the glorious ``hindu`` period is considered during the gupta age.

``The Gupta Empire is considered by many scholars to be the ``classical age`` of Hindu and Buddhist art and literature. The Rulers of the Gupta Empire were strong supporters of developments in the arts, architecture, science, and literature. ``

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_Empire

dost mittar: the BJP censor has spoken in #220!! Kindly refrain from discussions with pakis, and follow the example of ``paki paki arjun`` and write gibberish instead. :-)

HP #217 actually ``Bharat`` was the name of one of a gazillion tribes that came to India, this particular one - living in a small area around delhi - having gotten written up. So we Pakistanis get the land that was originally India (Indus), while Indians get to keep the name. Not a bad deal. :-)

Re: # 217

hp-ji:

Last time I read tahmed`s post, he was firm about non-existence of indian civilisation. but today he was commenting about it. Hence my surprise.

i have no intention to prove/dis-prove pakis of various shapes and colors about ``their`` indian-ness. Especially when almost everyone of them claims to be an illegimate child of hazrat mohammad, hazrat ghauri and/or hazrat abdali.

#197 by dost-mittar on January 19, 2007 7:36am PT


You`re wasting your time...

Pakis only want to deny the existence of Indian civilization, something pretty much the world accepts, because nobody associates them with a paki civilization and because they`re just from another-stan, not from a land associated with an ancient civilization...

netizen #212 welcome back.

I am afraid every tom, dick and harry in india does know that the subcontinent is rich mosaic that goes way beyond hinduism. The reason for this is easily seen in dost mittar #215 below, where he notes the hindu extremist`s simplistic view that everything before the arrival of muslims in india was some ``glorious hindu era`` and everything after was the ``dark ages of muslim rule``. I will simply add that the muslim extremist`s view is equally simplistic - i.e. the glorious era becomes the dark ages and the dark ages become the glorious era.

And both views, like any view driven by some preconceived notion or ideology, are wrong. The reality is something vastly more interesting.

the tom, dicks and harry`s of india (and pakistan) are clearly heavily influenced by these divergent and equally incorrect views.

Thus, you yourself end your post by talking about ``hindu culture`` - the term ``hindu``, regardless of its roots, obviously refers to a particular religion that did not exist in terms of its basic features more than 3-4 millenia ago even by the largest reasonable stretch : the mahbharata events probably occurred between 2-3 millenia ago, e.g. On the other hand the first individual to even step foot in the subcontinent was here definitely more than 12-15 millenia ago. And the great harappan civilization (not as well known as the babylonian in part due to the inability to decipher their language) was certainly thousands of years before the mahabharata which the BJP touts as being the epitome of the ``glorious past`` of India. I rest my case. :-)

Jeez Louise...AGAIN...

Army denies US drone behind SWA attack

Our monitoring desk
Pakistan’s military on Friday rebutted claims that a US Predator drone aircraft carried out the initial attack on a suspected Al-Qaeda hideout earlier this week in South Waziristan Agency, reports a private TV channel.
On Tuesday, army spokesman said helicopter gunships struck a cluster of compounds where up to 30 Taliban and Al-Qaeda fighters were based in South Waziristan.
However, tribesmen said a US drone’s missiles destroyed the compounds, and Pakistan helicopter gunships mopped up by firing rockets. “This is wrong. We have already denied it. This is usual that such things are said on such occasions but these are wrong,” army spokesman Shaukat Sultan said.
Villagers said they found just eight bodies - all belonging to men from a team of wood-cutters, who made a living selling charcoal to surrounding towns.
“No foreigner was killed in this attack. Only labourers were killed,” said Awaz Khan, whose son and nephew were among the dead.

Neti,

The question is that why should ethnic groups in Pakistan; Sindhi, Punjabi, Baloch or Pathan accept a later version of the civilization? All these ethnic groups predate what is now being called the Indian civilization.

The current Geographical configuration of the areas comprised of all these civilizations is called Pakistan. They were called India before and off and on before that, part of the Persian Empire.
The areas that are called India were perhaps Bharat before they became India. India as we all agree is a given name.

India does not translate in to Hindi or Hindu. So if in future India changes its official name to Bharat or Hindustan, would the Indian civilization automatically become Bharati or Hindustani civilization?

Only the current Sindhi and part of Punjab and NWFP, which were geographically known as Sindh, could claim the Indus civilization. Bharti or the resident of the country called India should look elsewhere for their roots…Bihar is a good place to start….

Let us revert this discussion back to Indian Foreign policy from the dead lakes and the dead civilizations...So I repeat my post # 41 and let discuss this potential theory here as that would correctly tell us what was Indian`s potential in 1930 and where it is with regards to its foreign policy....

``Indian foreign policy was designed and still fighting to thwart the long held British and American policy to maintain Pakistan as ``a check on Indian potential ``.

Obviously, most of the Indian foreign policy stalwarts (some here too) had no Idea what the Indian potential was.

Indian potential was something first the Brits, and now the American keep as a major secret......

Here is a money quote from potential_null the Idiot Indian foreign policy guru.
“Act as a check on India’s potential” conspiracy theory in a nutshell….

“Pakistan (in the form of a separate nation in its current position, always balancing against India rather than bandwagoning with India) was seen as necessary for the protection of British interests. Subsequently the Americans have taken over the hand the British were playing.

From the Anglo-American perspective, Pakistan’s major utility is to act as a check on India’s potential and an instrument for modulating India`s actions. ``

#212 by Netizen

Netibaba Sindhi Hindi wont make any difference...First DM and now you would like to call us Hindi.. I got no problem with that at all after all there was not going to any hindi without the this Sindhi first...

How about we all revert to our Sindhi roots and call it what it is the Sindhi civilization as in the Indus Civilization...


But lets talk about the potential theory first...