Aparna Pande January 15, 2007
#1 Posted by Naqshbandi on January 15, 2007 10:53:19 am
The problem with Indians (and Pakistanis) Aparna is that they continue to live in the past instead of trying to sort out the problems of today.
Though India is no doubt an important market and will become more so as this century progresses it is still too underdeveloped in too many areas to be able to realistically dream of becoming a Great Power. Its biggest single issue is Poverty followed by Corruption and its unsustainable population growth (unsustainable at levels where human life has dignity. I am surprised why India did not have a one child policy like China.)
BUT it is becoming increasingly important on the world stage and I think this will only increase with time. Pakistan can learn a lot from it.
Though India is no doubt an important market and will become more so as this century progresses it is still too underdeveloped in too many areas to be able to realistically dream of becoming a Great Power. Its biggest single issue is Poverty followed by Corruption and its unsustainable population growth (unsustainable at levels where human life has dignity. I am surprised why India did not have a one child policy like China.)
BUT it is becoming increasingly important on the world stage and I think this will only increase with time. Pakistan can learn a lot from it.
#2 Posted by ijaz_gul on January 15, 2007 11:41:00 am
SITA RAM GOEL
VOICE OF INDIA
NEW DELHI
Contents
Foreword By Philip Spratt
First Preface
Second Preface
1. In Search of a Culprit
2. A Pilgrim to the Soviet Paradise
3. Historian with Communist Glasses
4. An Indefatigable Soviet Enthusiast
5. An Incurable Soviet-Addict
6. An Apologist for Soviet Sins
7. A Persistent Pro-Soviet Speaker
8. A Devoted Disciple of Stalin
9. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-1
10. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-2
11. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-3
12. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-4
13. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-5
14. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-6
15. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-7
16. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-8
17. A Promoter of the Communist Party
18. Sappers and Miners of Communism
19. Choosing Between USA and USSR
http://www.bharatvani.org/
VOICE OF INDIA
NEW DELHI
Contents
Foreword By Philip Spratt
First Preface
Second Preface
1. In Search of a Culprit
2. A Pilgrim to the Soviet Paradise
3. Historian with Communist Glasses
4. An Indefatigable Soviet Enthusiast
5. An Incurable Soviet-Addict
6. An Apologist for Soviet Sins
7. A Persistent Pro-Soviet Speaker
8. A Devoted Disciple of Stalin
9. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-1
10. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-2
11. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-3
12. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-4
13. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-5
14. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-6
15. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-7
16. A Fellow-Traveller of Soviet Foreign Policy-8
17. A Promoter of the Communist Party
18. Sappers and Miners of Communism
19. Choosing Between USA and USSR
http://www.bharatvani.org/
#3 Posted by HP on January 15, 2007 12:00:24 pm
There is a refrain that goes something like this: countries have interests and no permanent friends. I would just add that countries do have interests but their ideological commitments often take precedence over their economic, geopolitical and cultural interests.
After the second WW, The western alliance represented by NATO is one such example. Western countries have lots of economical, geopolitical and cultural differences but the ideological alliances overlook all those differences. That’s why we see most of the western countries stick together when the conflict is with the other ideologies or the other economic systems.
Similarly, the Soviet Union stitched together an ideological alliance the Warsaw pact. The Warsaw pact countries were forced into that alliance and lacked the ideological commitment to present an alternate view in the world affairs.
Ironically, India during the cold war was the only real ideological partner of the Soviet Union. Indian foreign policy was developed to support the Soviet Ideological goals and was complimentary to the Soviet Foreign policy.
To promote the soviet policy goals Nehru, Soekarno and Jamal Nasser started the non aligned movement. Both Jamal Nasser and Soekarno were in it for their specific geopolitical interests and ideologically had no commitment with Soviet Union. Soekarno came to power with the Fascist support during the second ww, Jamal Nasser coup was supported by mostly the right wing and somewhat pro-US/pro west elements in the Egyptian army.
Indian commitment was not based on its geopolitical interest but was the product of an ideological commitment that developed over the entire period of independence struggle in India. Both Indian Hindu and Muslims, before the partition and even after the partition, supported the Indian commitment to romanticism in foreign affairs.
Pakistani in general supported the Indian foreign policy after the independence and mostly disagreed with the Pakistani elitist favor of supporting the US in international affairs.
We may argue now that the Indian foreign policy was wrong and was not based on political realities but the fact remains that it was the agreed upon policy of all Indians. In fact the parties that write volumes against that policy now never presented an alternate view.
The distrust between the US and India at that time was mutual. The US made many overtures and attempted to change the situation but generally the Indian leadership was not willing to make changes knowing fully well that the Indians will not appreciate that change.
Even after the Chinese attack, Indians hid behind their ideological philosophy and blamed Chinese for using India in the ideological struggle that was taking place in the communist world.
The real change in Indian policy came only after the collapse of Soviet Union. Since the Indian foreign policy is still controlled by the old congressi hands, they still have difficulty overcoming their hangs up when it comes down to real politick Vs. the Ideology.
#4 Posted by ali_1 on January 15, 2007 12:28:39 pm
Articles like these are all part of the rabid propaganda unleashed by the cabal of leftists, liberals, ISI agents, pinkos, Arundhati Roy, Adnan Sami and communist brahmin women with Pakistani boyfriends
Hinjuland is shining.
The Cryogenic rockets powered by 1 million burning Hanuman tails and 1 billion aloo gobhi farts are roaring towards Uranus. We have 869 Forbes listed billionaires, the growth rate is 57.5% per week and 2 call centers per hour go online in the state of LauRa Pardesh alone, while Mutthal Steel has taken over 336 steel plants just in the Republic of Slovenia. Fresh Yai Yai Yum grads from Kalakutta are making $ 6500/- per half hour ($9.5 million per year) at the Deutsche Bank Mangalore Branch.
After 20 million years of rape & pillage by Muslims, Christians, Afghans, Turks, Arundhati Roy, Neanderthals, Nihang Akalis and Homo-Erectus, the Hinjouce are eunuchs no longer. They have the atom bum, hydrogen bum and the bio-gas bum. Su-38 built by Ratan Tatta`s Pig Iron Mills fly off the aircraft carrier Vikrant as 375,000 new physicists graduate from Yai Yai Tee every week.
Hinjuland is shining.
Hinjuland is shining.
The Cryogenic rockets powered by 1 million burning Hanuman tails and 1 billion aloo gobhi farts are roaring towards Uranus. We have 869 Forbes listed billionaires, the growth rate is 57.5% per week and 2 call centers per hour go online in the state of LauRa Pardesh alone, while Mutthal Steel has taken over 336 steel plants just in the Republic of Slovenia. Fresh Yai Yai Yum grads from Kalakutta are making $ 6500/- per half hour ($9.5 million per year) at the Deutsche Bank Mangalore Branch.
After 20 million years of rape & pillage by Muslims, Christians, Afghans, Turks, Arundhati Roy, Neanderthals, Nihang Akalis and Homo-Erectus, the Hinjouce are eunuchs no longer. They have the atom bum, hydrogen bum and the bio-gas bum. Su-38 built by Ratan Tatta`s Pig Iron Mills fly off the aircraft carrier Vikrant as 375,000 new physicists graduate from Yai Yai Tee every week.
Hinjuland is shining.
#5 Posted by Shah2 on January 15, 2007 1:36:00 pm
J#3H.P.``amal Nasser coup was supported by mostly the right wing and somewhat pro-US/pro west elements in the Egyptian army.``
I do not know if rest of your dessertation has any merit but USA did not supoprt Egypt untill death of Nassr And it was Ussr which supplied arms to Egypt against Israel in 67 war ......It was Anwar Sadat who aligned Egypt to UsA after Camp David & After America help restore Prestige of Arabs threw `73 victory of Arabs against Israel...
I do not know if rest of your dessertation has any merit but USA did not supoprt Egypt untill death of Nassr And it was Ussr which supplied arms to Egypt against Israel in 67 war ......It was Anwar Sadat who aligned Egypt to UsA after Camp David & After America help restore Prestige of Arabs threw `73 victory of Arabs against Israel...
#7 Posted by Shah2 on January 15, 2007 1:42:54 pm
#2 Ijaz this guy Sita Ram Goel....was regular on Sulekha web site and is a polish descent new age hippie flower child who is to Hinduism big time..hindus take pride in him b/c he is Gora though from East European descent ......I dont give a danm what he has to say
#8 Posted by jang on January 15, 2007 2:05:06 pm
indian foreign policy:
g@nd mein dum nahin, hum kisise kum nahin..
i think indians shoudl outsource geopolitics to pakis and focus on jiyo-economics.
g@nd mein dum nahin, hum kisise kum nahin..
i think indians shoudl outsource geopolitics to pakis and focus on jiyo-economics.
#9 Posted by Urstruly on January 15, 2007 2:17:54 pm
Imagine that trains full of Indian products passing through Pak, Iran, and to the middle east; and also imagine those trains reaching into central asian republics, Russia, and East and West Europe. Imagine that those trains bringing back cheap raw material on their way back. This is one advanatage that China cannot have in foreseeable future. But key to this imaginary future lies in the hands of Pakistan. Such dream can only be realized if Pakistan allows it. Had India had partnership relationships with pakistan instead of that of hostility, they could together work on the Iran-India gas pipeline project together facing the western and American hegemonical aspirations.
In other words Pakistan is an effective check against the Indian progress. Now india has two options to deal with this problem - one is to conquer and destabalize Pakistan, which is either next to impossible or establish good relationships which are based on mutaul rcognition of equity and equality. For that India would have to make greater sacrifices to resolve the logstanding issues such as ending the occupation of the Kashmir and a closure on the naked aggression on the East Pakistan. All of that needs great vision and a greater burden of leadership from which India is still couple of centuries away. So until then India will remain a cesspool of mediocrity; while Pakistan has only to make sure that it doesn`t tread on us.
#10 Posted by jang on January 15, 2007 2:29:12 pm
#9 see what i mean. every toufiq, diler and huayun in pakiland is a geopoilitician!
#11 Posted by Netizen on January 15, 2007 2:50:21 pm
Re: # 8
jangji
very true.
india should learn from china the art of ``running with gazelles and eating with lions``.
but lately we are not doing that bad.
NAM, Palestainian ``solidarity``, non-cooperation with israel due to ``occupation``, distancing from western ``imperilaism``, hugging the worlds ``arafats, saddams and chavezs``.... will be thing of the past.
jangji
very true.
india should learn from china the art of ``running with gazelles and eating with lions``.
but lately we are not doing that bad.
NAM, Palestainian ``solidarity``, non-cooperation with israel due to ``occupation``, distancing from western ``imperilaism``, hugging the worlds ``arafats, saddams and chavezs``.... will be thing of the past.
#13 Posted by chaltahai on January 15, 2007 3:09:52 pm
Re: # 9 India is growing without pakistan at 8% a year. Thanks but no thanks. For a seller there must be a buyer. who the heck are the `stans gona pimp their raw materials to? Other -stans?
Pakistan is insignificant in the long terms scheme of things. something realized by 1996(5 years after the reforms). Pak can huff and puff but it will recognize the status quo in Kashmirin the end, declare victory and make the iftar dinners in ganesh brand vanaspati ghee in about 5 years.
Pakistan is insignificant in the long terms scheme of things. something realized by 1996(5 years after the reforms). Pak can huff and puff but it will recognize the status quo in Kashmirin the end, declare victory and make the iftar dinners in ganesh brand vanaspati ghee in about 5 years.
#14 Posted by bbabu on January 15, 2007 3:20:13 pm
Re: # 9
`` Imagine that trains full of Indian products passing through Pak, Iran, and to the middle east; and also imagine those trains reaching into central asian republics, Russia, and East and West Europe. Imagine that those trains bringing back cheap raw material on their way back. This is one advanatage that China cannot have in foreseeable future. But key to this imaginary future lies in the hands of Pakistan. Such dream can only be realized if Pakistan allows it. Had India had partnership relationships with pakistan instead of that of hostility, they could together work on the Iran-India gas pipeline project together facing the western and American hegemonical aspirations. ``
There is something called ships to transport your products. It has worked well for Japan and China. China ships their products to the whole world over the oceans.
China has land borders with Central Asian Republics and Russia.
Good luck dealing with Iranians on the price of natural gas. They will suck you dry.
`` In other words Pakistan is an effective check against the Indian progress. Now india has two options to deal with this problem - one is to conquer and destabalize Pakistan, which is either next to impossible or establish good relationships which are based on mutaul rcognition of equity and equality. For that India would have to make greater sacrifices to resolve the logstanding issues such as ending the occupation of the Kashmir and a closure on the naked aggression on the East Pakistan. All of that needs great vision and a greater burden of leadership from which India is still couple of centuries away. So until then India will remain a cesspool of mediocrity; while Pakistan has only to make sure that it doesn`t tread on us. ``
If India is a cesspool of mediocrity I wonder what Pakistan is.
`` Imagine that trains full of Indian products passing through Pak, Iran, and to the middle east; and also imagine those trains reaching into central asian republics, Russia, and East and West Europe. Imagine that those trains bringing back cheap raw material on their way back. This is one advanatage that China cannot have in foreseeable future. But key to this imaginary future lies in the hands of Pakistan. Such dream can only be realized if Pakistan allows it. Had India had partnership relationships with pakistan instead of that of hostility, they could together work on the Iran-India gas pipeline project together facing the western and American hegemonical aspirations. ``
There is something called ships to transport your products. It has worked well for Japan and China. China ships their products to the whole world over the oceans.
China has land borders with Central Asian Republics and Russia.
Good luck dealing with Iranians on the price of natural gas. They will suck you dry.
`` In other words Pakistan is an effective check against the Indian progress. Now india has two options to deal with this problem - one is to conquer and destabalize Pakistan, which is either next to impossible or establish good relationships which are based on mutaul rcognition of equity and equality. For that India would have to make greater sacrifices to resolve the logstanding issues such as ending the occupation of the Kashmir and a closure on the naked aggression on the East Pakistan. All of that needs great vision and a greater burden of leadership from which India is still couple of centuries away. So until then India will remain a cesspool of mediocrity; while Pakistan has only to make sure that it doesn`t tread on us. ``
If India is a cesspool of mediocrity I wonder what Pakistan is.
#15 Posted by anil on January 15, 2007 3:27:12 pm
Re: # 12
Hamidm sahib:
These pictures show an improvement in your taste over the previous pictures of ugly sadhus. May be you are softening toward wrong side of the border.
Hamidm sahib:
These pictures show an improvement in your taste over the previous pictures of ugly sadhus. May be you are softening toward wrong side of the border.
#16 Posted by Ranjit on January 15, 2007 4:10:33 pm
The real economic action is in the Far-east and in China. The middle-east and central asia regions are going to remain war zones and basket cases for a long time, given the conditions in afghanistan, iraq and possibly iran. Therefore, India should just ignore Pakistan for the next 2 decades and aggressively seek out integration with the far-east with economies like Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore. It should reach out to Myanmar to get road access to the far-east. It should aggressively create free ports in the Indian ocean to trade with the far-east countries. The other direction is north with China. Land-routes should be opened with China and we should aggressively pursue economic opportunities with them.
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