Untouchability and Sex

yaar jang, were one to look at this piece primarily as commentary on Hindu caste system, then one would wonder what it actually is. Whether it is not in reality a commentary on the nature of the Semitic mind and on essential Semitic character in dealing with all others.

But since there are too many good people of other faiths, let`s be generous.

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swarrior

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Highlighting of past wrongs is absolutely important. The past should never ever be forgotten. IMHO, everybody gains by acknowledging the past as it really was.

As to `bargaining,` moi is as far from game theory as the Sun is from the Moon. So please read the following attempt only for what it is worth - amusement not edification :)

In a bargaining situtation, formerly victimized groups have a perfect right to use the past as a bargaining chip. Their best strategy, in absence of any other considerations, would be to ask for a maximum possible payment (we can call that selfish strategy).

Being equally selfish, the formerly privileged have to see whether they want to continue playing on a fair basis. If not, kick the other fellow, declare that no wrong ever occurred (or that the victimizers were always the actual victims), shut down the game, and walk away. As you leave, just make sure to grab as much of the goodies on the bargaining table as you can.

This is the best strategy if you do not feel any sense of brotherhood that would temper pure selfishness, or if you are so confident of your natural superior status that you think the other fellow will never get the better of you.

If you do wish to continue the game (as say we do in any family), then other side`s best (purely selfish) strategy is to offer as little as possible. However, the greater the bonds of mutual oneness and one`s sense of human morality is, the more one will actually offer.

Here`s where the game gets interesting. The more one side offers the more the other side should and will (in a purely self-interested situation) ask for (because now a `willing and able-to-pay`` signal has been received).

On the other hand, the less one side is willing to take as the price of `forgetting-the-past` the less the other should should and will give as compensation (why give more than you have to?).

The only solution would probably require a combination of gradualism (many rounds/years of diminishing payments and receipts), with effective signalling on both sides, while making sure that the bond of real unity and mutual respect exists and is continuously strengthened. (The latter is needed so the game can continue because in a purely self-interested game, we should expect the bargaining to get continually harder.)

The game should be continued until one side is simply unable to pay any more than the other is willing to receive without both sides considering the game to be simply not worth it.

That`s why we have to be constantly vigilant. There may be some people who are just not interested in this game continuing. They will contantly attempt to push pure selfishness too far ahead of the bonds of mutual respect and unity, essentially making the whole game crumble, everyone losing out on all future benefits that would otherwise arrive from a continued and healthy game.

in lower class ``hindu`` society, a young girl is likely to exploited. traditional protectors are father and husband. father is likely to be a drunk, and mother wants to marry her off ASAP to get rid of the ``burden`` or responsibility, therfore depriving the gilr of any chance of education. now, maybe by becomig cristian she can avoid this, that would be a big deal. i know of some women (esp in nursing profession in nasik-bombay) have achieved this.

So Kaal should highlighting of past wrongs be used as a bargaining point to gain greater privileges forever and thus create a new privileged class who can then justify their positions of privilege over others and so on .......

Or should we try to create equal justice for all with a, no doubt flawed scheme, that will be refined over time, like you`ve become rich now you, are no longer privileged, get away from me Satan. -)

Jang, yet we find people ultimtely responding differently to similar loss of privilege. Basically, the key seems to be whether people are able to cast off, emotionally and socially, theories justifying their positions of privilege over others.

swarrier

Much more than the level of privileges, it`s change in the level of privileges with respect to others that traumatizes people emotionally.

#25 its all relative perception..i mean a whole new country was established on the basis of such percieved persecution ;-)

harimau will tell you all about leveling of the playing field by DMK which caused good sambhar and nalli sarees being available from Patel Nagar in dilli to Matunga.

Re: # 22

So Jang, you are saying levelling the playing field is persecution. Hmmm now that would be tryranny of the majority right. I`m glad you`ve not lost your sense of humour. -)


The immigration privileges was the whites only rule employed by Australia till the 60`s. Canada I am sure had something too, basically based on the Commonwealth riff-raff.

Re: # 23

thanks .......... that also explains all those call centers and the it boom in india ..........

#20 have you heard of phone-sex or internet-porn?

warrier fosa-12head is partly right. anglos in new india did not have the same ``privilages`` that they enjoyed (like good employment with the railways, apt in the anglo colony etc). they were just like others, fighting for jobs. so its not active persecution but loss of privilage. so they did immigrate in very large numbers..i dont know if they had some immigration privilages.

i wonder how many upper-class women are involbved in flesh-trade..most must be class/caste. otoh young brahmin widows were molested even by village nais who came to give them the head-shave.

Re: # 18
Harimau, Shantanu Dutta is a Christian. He has said so on his page.

However I still don`t get the point of the article. Is it a critique of the story? Or is the article used to pursue the dilemma that converts to Christianity find themselves in?

Re: # 19
Ishwar
Do you mean to say that Brahmins shouldn`t visit prostitutes? Why?
I know many Brahmins who treat their dogs very well.
I can assure you there are many indentured labourers in India who would envy the life these dogs live. Their opressors are not necessarily Brahmins.

....... just a quick question: how can you have sex with a person who is untouchable ?....... the only way i can think of is through mutual masturbation while sitting in opposite corners of the room ........ am i right, or do the horrible hindoos know something that we don`t ? ......... truly, i am puzzled ......

Excellent article, my father used to tell me stories from his village in Karnataka, India.
Although he was born a brahmin, and lived in a brahman society, many brahmans used to go to prostitutes, and still treat them like dogs

Do you think if I write a short story on anal rape of a young boy by a Christian priest or a mullah it would be published anywhere?

Would that then be taken up as proof of Christian and Islamic perversity and discussed endlessly?

People like Shantanu Dutta, if they are so ashamed of being Hindus, have the full freedom to become Christian and marry the imaginary sister of the imaginary Mariya. And then he can have imaginary sex; the same kind he is getting now.

Shantanu Dutta is just another waste of protoplasm. It is a pity he wasn`t aborted before birth. Probably that is because his mom had a fetal sonogram taken, got to know she was carrying a boy and decided to keep the tenant.

Why doesn`t he write about the Dalit Christian female fetuses that are being aborted? He would then have many more buckets of tears to shed.

Shantanu Dutta has the same IQ as that of a tapeworm infesting his colon.

Re:VRV#9

[..Ranjit,

Which state are u from?? ...]

I am a sindhi who grew up in Delhi.

Good article Dutta...

I was wondering what my friends like Inquirer (a physicist turned pseudo commentator), Jay, Mohar etc. would be talking about?

Is this also a fault of the partition and Pakistan?

Well, with brains like yours, I wouldnt be surprised if you would say so...Inquirer, Jay, Mohar etc... I wouldnt be surprised!