Untouchability and Sex

Re: # 56 & 57

You are both the pic of the chowk.

The Qurani Allah says that all the humanity was one `Umma` but the prophets divided it. Can truth be divided as so called faiths(Which should perhaps rightly be called as `Aqeeda` or Dogma) are?

nak45

Yaar, you guys are funny. First the gentleman writes an article, showing no ability or effort to defend his assertions. Then you jump in clapping approval without any attempt to check things for yourself. :)

a frank and honest effort unfold an hineous crime,covered under the barhamen veil.
keep it up
NAK45

Re: # 73
No, he`s just a stirrer!

Its a shame.

Its a shame.

Noe where is the author of this article? Does he care to respond to some valid questions raised by interactors here?

... haven`t read the article, but the title gives a new meaning to ``look ma, no hands``

The Kanchi Shankaracharya, Sri Jayendra Saraswathi...the name is so big that i cant pronounce it ...is thid your brahmin hinduism ??????

#68 abu, shiva parvati story is not to be taken literally. parvati is the power (shakti) who apparently had a child while siva was away. siva being an alpha male type was angry and chopped his head off. parvati however made him see his mistake and made him fix it and accept the child as his own. so its a story of original feminism..to date all women of india (some of them muslim too) pray that they get a husband as ``bhola`` (innocent) as siva.

Abu safwaan,

(Horse travelling with the speed of light is unfathomable however shiv ji attaching a elephant head on a dead baby just to save himself from the wrath of parvathi hence creating a haathi GOD makes all the scientific sense in the world. )

Most Hindus dont believe that their scriptures are literally the word of God, most Muslims do. In fact if you dare to disagree in many countries you may be bumped off. Therein lies the difference.

Regards

Re: # 65

Haramoaa,

you are dead on my ``sabji`` friend, Horse travelling with the speed of light is unfathomable however shiv ji attaching a elephant head on a dead baby just to save himself from the wrath of parvathi hence creating a haathi GOD makes all the scientific sense in the world. practicing hindus talking about common sense is like muslims giving lectures on ugliness, it just can`t be!

Harimau

I meant no such thing!! Please don`t put me in more trouble than I make for myself here. LOL :)


re: teshah # 58

shah ji, in fact, when faith begins to justify itself rationally, it turns doubly dangerous - it not only takes over imagination (as do all approaches to tanscendence) but also puts reason (which should be left free to saunter through the world) under house arrest.


srk

Agreed. In Kaliyuga, that is what happens to good rulers who are not sadists.

Re: # 58

Faith being a subjective matter can never perhaps be subjected to rational discussion. One of my late uncles who did farming in an arid land depending entirely on rain and believed too much in god, made very good use of his faith. Whenever there was no rain in time he would abuse god for that in Punjabi saying ``Khuda di maan noo`n...etc.``. He would remember god similarly when there was too much rain which threatened washing away his dams. On the other hand late Khomeini used god to kill Rushdie but god killed himself instead. So there are many uses to which a faith in superior beings or its pretention is put depending upon the circumstances of each person. Faiths vary so much that they defy any definition even thereof. In Pakistan btw they could not find any definition of the term `Muslim` till today (vide Munir Inquiry Report).

Ref kaalchakra #57

[To prevent misunderstanding, let`s understand a lie. A lie is a deliberate untruth, an assertion that can be established to be untrue with a little bit of effort on anybody`s part.

So ``Christ was the Son of God`` is a belief. ``My horse flies, yours doesn`t``, can be shown to be a lie.]

So, what are you saying about Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) flying on a horse to Jerusalem and/or jannat?

Are you implying Christianity is a faith but Islam is based on, gasp, lies?

Ref#63
PVN Rao was the best prime minister India had after Nehru.

Congress has passed it use by date. Congress has only one consistent policy and that is Muslim appeasement.

They have never taken any constructive step to help the Muslim community. They always treated Muslims like mushrooms that is they kept Muslims in darkness and fed them shit.

#59
Never expect the lechers from the congress party to acknowledge and accept the achievements of the great PM PVN. The idiots couldn`t even treat him decently even after his death. His body was not even allowed into the AICC office. He wanted his cremation to take place in Delhi and they didn`t allow that either. They brought his body to Hyderabad and cremated there. Nobody, i repeat nobody from the Congress party stayed till the cremation was over completely.The pyre ended even before his body was completely burnt. His half burnt body was lying around on the pyre when some journalists observed and complained then only everyone came running and completed the whole procedure. These bas$#rds insulted him even in his death.

These are the same people who doesn`t get tired of naming every govt scheme in Andhra after Indira and Rajeev Gandhi. The current CM went onto claim that the reforms were started by Rajeev Gandhi implying that all the credit should goto Gandhi family not to PVN. Shame on him for such blatant lies.

Re: # 52
Dear Okhla
Why shouldn`t we tear each other apart? There is nothing pathetic about a good argument. There will be few noxious insults but a debate is perfectly natural.

Tahmed

What is baseless can be too much a function of what some group or person wants to believe. And if we take baseless simply as anything that can be easily shown to be untrue, then there is no difference in the two approaches.

Re: # 58

Heres an example of a lie to support a belief :

A woman named “Lady Hope” spoke to a church group shortly after the death of Charles Darwin. She claimed that she was at Darwin’s bedside on the day of his death. She also claimed that Darwin recanted on evolution and accepted Jesus on his deathbed.

Her claims are not only unsupported, but are directly opposed by Darwin’s daughter, Henrietta.

Henrietta stated “I was present at his deathbed, Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I am upset that the U.S. Christians have fabricated this conversion nonsense. The whole story has no foundation whatever.” February 23, 1922.

srk #45, vrv #54,

Thanks for informing about PV Narsimhan Rao`s acts of bhoo daan. I bet none of the dalitistan/christian websites ever mention such acts which goes against their agenda of painting the whole community black. I`m tired of such propoganda and meaningless trash published all over.

On the other hand, it again reinforces my observation that PVN was the best PM India had. I`d like to see an article on how he, a brahmin, promoted a dalit (Sitaram kesari) to the congress cheif position only to be stabbed in the back. For once he must have thought of ending the sycophant culture in congress. But then our friend kesari`s tail started to wag for the Gandhis again. Rest is history.

Adios

#57 a better definition i think is:

1. A lie is a baseless assertion (at best) of any kind.
2. A belief is a unprovable assertion (at best) that helps mankind deal with some fundamental emotional need, e.g. the emotional need to deal with the awareness of death ``being written for all``, the emotional need for a parental figure ``watching out for us``, the emotional need to deal with fears and uncertainties, the emotional need to elevate animal instincts like the ``herd mentality`` to something more respectable. Beliefs being subjective and not driven by external realities, vary vastly within the same religion and depending on the level of intellectual and emotional development of the individual!!

My profound thought for this sunday. :-)

To prevent misunderstanding, let`s understand a lie. A lie is a deliberate untruth, an assertion that can be established to be untrue with a little bit of effort on anybody`s part.

So ``Christ was the Son of God`` is a belief. ``My horse flies, yours doesn`t``, can be shown to be a lie.

``As a Hindu now and Muslim in my earlier life I do understand this.``

ramchander, Muslim/Hindu will not lie any more than the other, as a simple human being. But ``faith`` has to increase itself. So the faith can be a lier.

Ref okhla99 #52

[Re: # 50

The Indians are tearing each other apart.

Pathetic...]

Shantanu Dutta has demonstrated by the mere act of writing this crap that his allgiance is to Christianity and not to India.

He brings all Indian Christians into disrepute.

I have no problem with Shantanu Dutta practising his religion but he should stop spreading lies about others.

PV. Narasimha rao was a Brahmin landlord owning 1600+ acres of land in Telangana. I dont think they are good farmers nor they got it by gradual increase of their harvest and thereby increase of land holding. These are inaams. These Brahmin landlords are few and far between. There are virtually none in coastal Andhra and Rayala Seema.

Mr. Rao gave away his land during Bhoo Daan movement by Vinoba Bhave, a noted Gandhian. He`s a very special Gandhian so that he had a special hut in Sabarmati Ashram. None other Ashram inmates had a special hut, btw.

As for Brahmins or for that matter previleged people getting sex outside marriage, it`s socailly sanctioned in Andhra to have such pleasures outside marraige. There`s a caste called Bhogam, whose job is to give `practical` lessons in sex to the `to be married` men. Though this caste is a dying breed but they do still exist in some corners of rural pockets.

People who are familiar with Sanskrit dramas and mythology wud be aware that Brahmins too got pleasures from outside sources. They are humans too. Aren`t they?

As for exploitation, all landlords does it. It`s always said abt villages in Andhra that landlord effs the coolie woman in a farmhouse and landlady is effed by the coolie man (housemaid) at home within the four corners of the palatial house.

Outside this topic:

Sex is a two-way thing. Why it`s considered that only men `take` sex and women `dont`?

As Mr. T.E. Shah said on this board:

``..Sex is the `Super God`, which knows no bounds. It can only be appeased not tamed``

There is tussle going on between Islam and Hinduism, Christianty and Hindusism and Islam and Christianity.

Islam and Christianity are quite good at fabricatiing and presenting half facts as facts.

Hinduism does have some very bad aspects but it is the only relegions which gives its adherent to question it openly. Most of the Hindus don`t understand how the Christianty and particularlt Islam manipulates and stuffs up people`s mind. As a Hindu now and Muslim in my earlier life I do understand this.

Re: # 50

The Indians are tearing each other apart.

Pathetic...

Re: # 43
ishwar
Spare us the holier than thou attitude. People will visit prositutes if they have to and its none of anybody`s business.

You may have several points but not a sense of humour.

Jang, is Shah2 a real foosa as in Madagascar? He seems to have all the vices and none of the virtues.

Ref swarrier #21

[Harimau, Shantanu Dutta is a Christian. He has said so on his page.]

Well, I checked his page.

He is also a doctor. Exactly how many brahmins are admitted to medical colleges after your quotas for the mentally retarded which would soon include Christians and Muslims?

He claims he is an underdog. Exactly what is his disadvantage? Maybe he flunked his VQE and so couldn`t get a residency in the US.

Motherf@%*ing minority whiner.

Ref Shah2 #38

[How many Hinju indian willing to bring a christian wife?]

I know of quite a few.

And Hindus are not marrying Christians because our Holy Books give us rights over ``People of the Book``.

Ref Shah2 #44

[#42 If you dont differentiate between a minority girl raped by hegemonous majority and willing porno star exposing then your problem is even bigger]

If you can`t tell the difference between fiction published on a Christian website designed to wring out a few tears and some monetary contributions and facts on the ground, your problems are colossal.

You should talk to some of these `other` accused brahmans. There is a tiny chance that you might discover the ``disgrace to the human race`` actually residing much closer to you than you imagine...

Yaar iswar, how did your dad, a brahman, know what `other` brahmans did to the prostitutes?

As someone already pointed out there are very few Brahmin landlords in Andhra. The late PM Sri PV.Narsimha Rao was a Brahmin landlord and he was the one who introduced land reforms in Andhra when he was chief minister of Andhra and gave away his lands. In coastal Andhra most of the landlords belong to Kamma, Raju, Reddy (in Nellore District) and to some extent Kapus. In Telangana it is mostly Reddys and Velamas who own the lands.Again Reddys and Kamma Naidu`s are dominant in the Rayalaseema region.

If we are to talk about the exploitation of Dalit women and girls in this day and age, it is very hard to find it in Andhra except in stories like this. Naxalites are kicking butt in Telangana and the Dalits in Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema are politically very active and are aware of their rights and do not take any atrocity perpetrated against them.

#42 If you dont differentiate between a minority girl raped by hegemonous majority and willing porno star exposing then your problem is even bigger

Re: # 21

No one should visit prostitutes, and brahmans visiting prostitutes is a disgrace to the society, because they are respected in society, its like setting a bad example to them.

Yes, fine, many brahmans do treat their dogs very well, maybe even give their dog an extra roti from the indentured labourer`s lunch!

My point is that an human being cannot be compared to a dog, it is a disgrace to the human race itself.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6258291.stm

S.Dutta

``No one practices untouchability when it comes to sex.``

How can you say that. As a young boy I had heard a story about rape of Hindu woman by a Muslim. She, they say, when perceived that the rape was inevitable, said to the rapists in Punabi, ``Chhaai mitti paa le par moonh naal moonh nah laavein`` (Get finished with the dirty work but don`t touch my face).

There is gruesome untouchability prevalent among the Muslim sects also. A Sunni Muslim had a sodomic relationship with an Ahmadi boy. When somebody objected to his intimacy with a `kafir` boy the man retorted, ``Why? Am I not doing a work of `sawaab` by hoisting the flag of Islam on the land of `kufr```. Ha Ha Ha.

In fact, one may admit or not, sex is the `Super God`, which knows no bounds. It can only be appeased not tamed

Btw, can anybody tell me what is meant by the English idiom `Every dog has his day`?

Re: # 37
You do know some interesting types!

Re: # 15

I lived in Tamilnadu most of my life. I am yet to meet a Tamil Brahmin from a farm owning family. But I have meet Malayalam and Telugu Brahmins who were from landowning families. I know a lot of Telugu Brahmins. Majority of Telugu Brahmins I know are from professional background - teachers, accountants, engineers, doctors, lawyers etc.

How many Hinju indian willing to bring a christian wife?

that scrumptous thing did catch my eye but i let it go as .. but i can see that burpy cant let it go.

kalsab, its nothing to do with hindu caste-system. i am just looking at immediate benefits. in one case, a woman i know who cut booze for a living (she gets concentrate and then cuts it water and sells it) got her daughter married off at the age of 14..pregnat soon after. in other case, the woman had become christian and worked a an aya in a hospital and her daughter became a nurse (not a BSc type, but still..) and married a brahmin surgeon eventually. not bad for local optimization.

This topic is way over my head but jang got me interested - whats fone sex, sex w/a fone?

Got it, boss :) Basic requirements of fairness would seem to demand that.

Re: # 32

See Kaal that`s what I intended to say about changing the rules each time so the really underprivileged benefit.

Burpy

``Surreptitously`` was probably the intended adverb but perhaps the author`s appetite was stirred by some scrumptious morsel. Or maybe he`s been reading too much of Bily Bunter.

I have just one question for the brilliant author- how does one witness a rape ``scrumptiously``?

Humbly submitted
Burpy

Hmm, it just occurred to me that some of that may also explain why Hindus would be (and rationally should be) simply unwilling (or much less unwilling) to offer job reservations etc to Christian ``dalits`` and such sundry groups, without being themeselves collectively overpowered/neutered as a political group. Once the bonds of oneness are weakened, there is simply no reason not to be purely selfish.

Basically, it is always very smart to ask/demand/request the most of everyone, particularly of those who are always eager to give. But it is very foolish to give everything to everyone who asks. It`s a balancing game of self-interest and who we are.

yaar jang, were one to look at this piece primarily as commentary on Hindu caste system, then one would wonder what it actually is. Whether it is not in reality a commentary on the nature of the Semitic mind and on essential Semitic character in dealing with all others.

But since there are too many good people of other faiths, let`s be generous.

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swarrior

he he

Highlighting of past wrongs is absolutely important. The past should never ever be forgotten. IMHO, everybody gains by acknowledging the past as it really was.

As to `bargaining,` moi is as far from game theory as the Sun is from the Moon. So please read the following attempt only for what it is worth - amusement not edification :)

In a bargaining situtation, formerly victimized groups have a perfect right to use the past as a bargaining chip. Their best strategy, in absence of any other considerations, would be to ask for a maximum possible payment (we can call that selfish strategy).

Being equally selfish, the formerly privileged have to see whether they want to continue playing on a fair basis. If not, kick the other fellow, declare that no wrong ever occurred (or that the victimizers were always the actual victims), shut down the game, and walk away. As you leave, just make sure to grab as much of the goodies on the bargaining table as you can.

This is the best strategy if you do not feel any sense of brotherhood that would temper pure selfishness, or if you are so confident of your natural superior status that you think the other fellow will never get the better of you.

If you do wish to continue the game (as say we do in any family), then other side`s best (purely selfish) strategy is to offer as little as possible. However, the greater the bonds of mutual oneness and one`s sense of human morality is, the more one will actually offer.

Here`s where the game gets interesting. The more one side offers the more the other side should and will (in a purely self-interested situation) ask for (because now a `willing and able-to-pay`` signal has been received).

On the other hand, the less one side is willing to take as the price of `forgetting-the-past` the less the other should should and will give as compensation (why give more than you have to?).

The only solution would probably require a combination of gradualism (many rounds/years of diminishing payments and receipts), with effective signalling on both sides, while making sure that the bond of real unity and mutual respect exists and is continuously strengthened. (The latter is needed so the game can continue because in a purely self-interested game, we should expect the bargaining to get continually harder.)

The game should be continued until one side is simply unable to pay any more than the other is willing to receive without both sides considering the game to be simply not worth it.

That`s why we have to be constantly vigilant. There may be some people who are just not interested in this game continuing. They will contantly attempt to push pure selfishness too far ahead of the bonds of mutual respect and unity, essentially making the whole game crumble, everyone losing out on all future benefits that would otherwise arrive from a continued and healthy game.

in lower class ``hindu`` society, a young girl is likely to exploited. traditional protectors are father and husband. father is likely to be a drunk, and mother wants to marry her off ASAP to get rid of the ``burden`` or responsibility, therfore depriving the gilr of any chance of education. now, maybe by becomig cristian she can avoid this, that would be a big deal. i know of some women (esp in nursing profession in nasik-bombay) have achieved this.

So Kaal should highlighting of past wrongs be used as a bargaining point to gain greater privileges forever and thus create a new privileged class who can then justify their positions of privilege over others and so on .......

Or should we try to create equal justice for all with a, no doubt flawed scheme, that will be refined over time, like you`ve become rich now you, are no longer privileged, get away from me Satan. -)

Jang, yet we find people ultimtely responding differently to similar loss of privilege. Basically, the key seems to be whether people are able to cast off, emotionally and socially, theories justifying their positions of privilege over others.

swarrier

Much more than the level of privileges, it`s change in the level of privileges with respect to others that traumatizes people emotionally.

#25 its all relative perception..i mean a whole new country was established on the basis of such percieved persecution ;-)

harimau will tell you all about leveling of the playing field by DMK which caused good sambhar and nalli sarees being available from Patel Nagar in dilli to Matunga.

Re: # 22

So Jang, you are saying levelling the playing field is persecution. Hmmm now that would be tryranny of the majority right. I`m glad you`ve not lost your sense of humour. -)


The immigration privileges was the whites only rule employed by Australia till the 60`s. Canada I am sure had something too, basically based on the Commonwealth riff-raff.

Re: # 23

thanks .......... that also explains all those call centers and the it boom in india ..........

#20 have you heard of phone-sex or internet-porn?

warrier fosa-12head is partly right. anglos in new india did not have the same ``privilages`` that they enjoyed (like good employment with the railways, apt in the anglo colony etc). they were just like others, fighting for jobs. so its not active persecution but loss of privilage. so they did immigrate in very large numbers..i dont know if they had some immigration privilages.

i wonder how many upper-class women are involbved in flesh-trade..most must be class/caste. otoh young brahmin widows were molested even by village nais who came to give them the head-shave.

Re: # 18
Harimau, Shantanu Dutta is a Christian. He has said so on his page.

However I still don`t get the point of the article. Is it a critique of the story? Or is the article used to pursue the dilemma that converts to Christianity find themselves in?

Re: # 19
Ishwar
Do you mean to say that Brahmins shouldn`t visit prostitutes? Why?
I know many Brahmins who treat their dogs very well.
I can assure you there are many indentured labourers in India who would envy the life these dogs live. Their opressors are not necessarily Brahmins.

....... just a quick question: how can you have sex with a person who is untouchable ?....... the only way i can think of is through mutual masturbation while sitting in opposite corners of the room ........ am i right, or do the horrible hindoos know something that we don`t ? ......... truly, i am puzzled ......

Excellent article, my father used to tell me stories from his village in Karnataka, India.
Although he was born a brahmin, and lived in a brahman society, many brahmans used to go to prostitutes, and still treat them like dogs

Do you think if I write a short story on anal rape of a young boy by a Christian priest or a mullah it would be published anywhere?

Would that then be taken up as proof of Christian and Islamic perversity and discussed endlessly?

People like Shantanu Dutta, if they are so ashamed of being Hindus, have the full freedom to become Christian and marry the imaginary sister of the imaginary Mariya. And then he can have imaginary sex; the same kind he is getting now.

Shantanu Dutta is just another waste of protoplasm. It is a pity he wasn`t aborted before birth. Probably that is because his mom had a fetal sonogram taken, got to know she was carrying a boy and decided to keep the tenant.

Why doesn`t he write about the Dalit Christian female fetuses that are being aborted? He would then have many more buckets of tears to shed.

Shantanu Dutta has the same IQ as that of a tapeworm infesting his colon.

Re:VRV#9

[..Ranjit,

Which state are u from?? ...]

I am a sindhi who grew up in Delhi.

Good article Dutta...

I was wondering what my friends like Inquirer (a physicist turned pseudo commentator), Jay, Mohar etc. would be talking about?

Is this also a fault of the partition and Pakistan?

Well, with brains like yours, I wouldnt be surprised if you would say so...Inquirer, Jay, Mohar etc... I wouldnt be surprised!

Re: # 11

Babu,

There may a very few Brahmin landlorfs but the domination in villages is not their forte. The Agrahaaram villages were what they got as gifts from erstwhile rajas. They never behave like domineering landlords nor agriculture was their strength. I dont know why the story here pictures Brahmin landlords as rapists.

In reality it`s the earstwhile shudras who are the epitomes of casteism in villages. Intermediate castes are more castiest than brahmins.

That powerful people sexually exploit people of lower class is well-known in India and perhaps in other countries as well. Negro slaves were raped by their master, including a former President.

However, avkrishna has raised some legitimate questions. I hope that you respond to them.

Re: # 7
Rubbish. I knew a lot of Anglo-Indians growing up. Some of them emigrated to Canada or Australia and I know some who are in India doing quite well professionally. First time I have heard that people went after Anglo Indians just for being Anglo-Indians. Where did you pull out this rabbit from?

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Re: # 8 by ranjit on January 11, 2007 3:45pm PT

This guy is yet another bengali riff-raff with his holier-than-thou attitude laced with communist ideology targeting upper caste hindus.

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Same kind of ideology is used by Bihari riff-raff in Pakistan too. May be we should have had a fourth country called BihariDesh.

Re: # 6

there are brahmin landlords in AP - they were vastly outnumbered by Reddy`s

#9
More so for AngloIndians than anyone else ...the Anglo Indians really faced extreme hardship and they were squeezed out of India thanks to Patel and othr ``nationalistic`` leaders including Congress who rfused to give them there pension and compensation due for employment under the Raj......

To blame one state over others is forgetting Indians are from one country and not seprate statecountries...

Ranjit,

Which state are u from??

This guy is yet another bengali riff-raff with his holier-than-thou attitude laced with communist ideology targeting upper caste hindus. There is a mental disease among bengalis to make ad hominem attacks against hindus and anything associated with development in India.

Sometimes I wish a 1971 had happened to India also rather than just Pakistan. Then these idiot bengalis will realize the value of their religion as the Bangaladeshis would have extended a typical islamic welcome to them - by forcibly converting them!!

I am not sure but when i was growing up `christian` girlls were supposed to be `loose` and `easy`......there wa this movie called `Julie `in which a christian girl was bethroned by a hindu heroe but if the role was reversed i am sure it would be censored....

Avikrishna poses sensible questions.

As far as I can make out this article is an attempt to wind 3 things together.

1) A story from the Telugu collection of stories ``That man on the road``
2) The Bhanwari devi incident
3) A Dalit christian website`s claims.

Samz why are you glad to see it here ? Please tell me.

Shantanu,
I lived in AP for 4 years during my undergrad. As AVK points out, Brahmin landlords are an oxymoron. This is a useless and unsubstantiated brahmin bashing. The only landlord communities that I know of in AP are : Kamma and Kaapu. Of them Kaapu`s (Reddy`s) are fast becoming Christians and are usually filthy rich people.
For most part Brahmins are being wrongly accused of casteism as the landlords who usually commit such crimes are Thakurs, Jaats and their equivalnets in all the states of India. Brahmins are merely the scapegoats on which everyone lays blame for all the ills of the society.
I fail to understand, if the story and you in turn are trying to imply that this happened due to her being dalit christian. If so what happened to the focus on law enforcement? I think the prejudices of people can only be controlled by efective enforcement of laws.

Incidentally, I wish all the dalits converting to christianity were to read the bible before doing so. At least they`ll convert knowing fully well that christianity is no solution either. For instance:

``When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl`s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

At least Mariya`s dad did not sell her for sex slavery, at worst he remained apathetic.

These trashy articles of dalit discrimination lay the blame on Brahmins w/o ever considering
that no city dwelling well off dalit will be treated like this. And this is only due to awareness of rights, literacy and enforcement of law. The christian missionaries are merely happy harvesting the souls (and once that is done, the convert realizes that the clutches of caste are still holding him). He`s had a double whammy, one due to casteism and the second due to christian missionaries.
Hopefully, complete literacy and awareness of fundamental rights can remove discrmination and exploitation of such nature. Otherwise such articles are just stereotyping the existing ignorant worldviews.
Adios

Shantanu,

It`s true abt the last punchline.

However, as observed by AV Krishna, there are no Brahmin landlords in AP. Their only strength is their hardwork and education. It`s not Telegu but Telugu,btw.

There are many literateurs in Telugu who`re either with Arasam or Virasam (Progressive Writers Association or Revolutionary Writers Association).

As for sexual exploitation, it`s part of the ol Indian malaise which is part of the male-dominated thinking in this world. If u remember it was women who bore the brunt during partition and during all communal riots. Woman is linked to man`s honour.

We have a lot of awreness but villages are unchanged since the times of Asoka. Varnasrama system made way to Caste system.

Exploitation is the inert spirit of human beings.

We speak a lot abt balcks discminated by non-blacks but when I read that negros too annihilated pygmies in Africa, it points out to the innate nature of human beings i.e exploitation. Therefore primitive instincts such as graded-system of human beings got to be done away with in toto. Paradoxically in India, caste is the basis in all electoral activities - from village to national parliament. Legally it`s a crime to discminate (illegal like dowry system) in the name of caste but like in dowry system, it`s practiced by every one.

Caste evil is cyclic.

First things first.

`Brahmin Landlord` is an oxymoron in AP.

Shantanu,

I got no sense about what you are trying to do with this article.

Is this a review of that short story by Vinodini?
- If so, there is no commentary on the writing style of the author or any other related thing

Is this about the Caste discrimination practiced on Dalits in India?
- If so, an applaudable goal but a shoddy way of highlighting it. There are no relevant facts, statistics here.

Is this about the discrimination of Dalit Christian Women in AP?
- Again it will be foolish for anyone to deny it. But you interpreted this from a short story?? What`s the relevance of a case in Rajasthan to AP? Where are the relevant figures for female discrimination in AP compared to other states? What are the sources (A dalit christian web site, C`mon atleast name it)? Why only `Dalit Christian` women? Why not all Dalit women?

If you have an agenda, atleast be transparent about it,

Thanks,
Avkrishna

`Boo` by Saadat Hasan manto.

Glad to see this on FP.