Saddam: The Butcher of Baghdad and the Shame of Mesopotamia

Re: # 44

``What the f*** is wrong with you?``........you stupid ignorant Indian gungadeen -- what makes ``you f***ers`` think that I am not a Shia......not all Shias are nazi collaborators -- same way not all Hindus were Raj orderlies.......:)

Re: # 41 nasah
[...Is puppet Maliki an authentic Iraqi -- is he an authentic Iraqi shia patriot...]

Who knows?.. what the f*** is an ``authentic`` iraqi anyway?... are you an authentic american[ or wherever you live]?... are you an authentic muslim sunni patriot?

What the f*** is wrong with you?... muslims are killing other muslims like flies... bombing and brutalizing the heck out of each other... they are literally cutting each other`s throat.. and here you are passing judgements on authentic iraqi... what you should be doing now is trying for reconciliation, peace and shia-sunni bhai bhai... get some sense into the barbaric bedouins...

as a muslim you should be hanging your head in shame that you kill each other on slightest pretext, you cut shia throat and video-tape it, dance around [as shown in CNN the other day] and make merry... you f***ers have no humanity, no common sense, no loyalty... you can`t even live with your own...

badgering on george bush ain`t going help anything - george bush didn`t make you this way.... for all his fault, george bush actually wants iraqis get along....

Re: # 41
One day, for a change, try writing a few lines in simple, polite language. Trust me, they will make sense.

Re: # 40
Post 19: ``So even if Saddam killed one person or a million the punishment cannot exceed capital punishment. Hence he has paid his due to the society, and we must let him rest in peace.``


Post 40: ``All said and done, it does not releive Saddam of any crimes against his own people. Those crimes are there. But we must put everything in perspective and truth must be told.``

Logic, anyone?

when an intruder takes over your house enters your bedroom -- and sprawles on on your bed -- if you have an iota of national dignity self respect and shame left in you -- you don`t start lamenting about the `butchery` of your `spouse` -- while lying on the same bed with the intruder.....how ridiculous that would sound -- this is why this article is rather ridiculous -- (sawal-e degger jawab-e deggar) -- and this is why Saddam hanging while under the knee of a foreign occupier was so stupidly illtimed and illplaced and illconducted.

This is the kind of stuff that the turncoats are made of.....

in any other respectable European country a quisling like Maliki will be considered a Nazi collaborator like Gen Petain-- who will be spared being hanged for a life sentence for betraying his own country.

Is puppet Maliki an authentic Iraqi -- is he an authentic Iraqi shia patriot -- or is he an Iraqi shia quisling -- Maliki is a pathetic puppet of US neocons -- even worst than that Sunni quisling Zaleelzad -- at least Zaleel is serving his very own country -- which country Maliki is serving – Iran or the United States?

Yet for all that service -- Maliki is being treated by the Americans like a mangy dog
(because the Americans have inherent contempt for quisling despite paying them so well).

Maliki is alternatively being petted and being kicked by George Bush -- the sectarian militia man is under Dubyas order to disarm Moqtadar sectarian militia -- and help the US neocons and Israeli zionists to invade and `contain` a sectarian Iran -- or ELSE!

it is almost like Maliki is made to lick his own spit -- in fact that double dose of ironic indignity should serve a tail wagging quisling hangman like him -- indeed very well.

Re: # 39

As Zeemax said below, the history did not start yesterday. First of all your claim is not entirely true. Please remind yourself that the first insurgency (I should call it struggle for freedom, since word ``insurgency is such a loaded word) came from shias and not sunnis. If you remember, the first bombing of Muslim religious places and shrines were done by Americans while crushing the resistence by Mehdi Army. IN the city of Kufa the Mehdi Army faught for weeks in the local graveyards and around the shrines. The fighting only stopped when Ayoullah Siyastani interferred and managed a truce between Muqtada-alsadr and Americans, most probably at the behest of Iranians. That insurgency made Iranians aware of their potent strength and that how badly they had had big satan trapped in the Iraq.

Siyastani collborated with Americans keeping the bigger picture in mind - it was the picture of a Greater Iran - sacrifices had to be made for the new Iranian Empire and ayatullahs were ready to pay the price. The idea was to crush any insurgency against occupation with heavy hand and then oust the Americans using politics thus creating a Shia dominated pro-Iranian Iraq. Americans were aware of the Iranian aspirations but putting any resistance down was their first priority. At that time they establsihed torture cells all around the country and started crushing Iraqis with the methods that would put even the third world dictators to shame. American army tried its best, you can`t blame them.:





But this senseless violence against a conquered people backfired and resulted in the making of a sunni insurgency. The sunni resistence picked up its pace when Americans in their collosal arrogance used their propaganda machinery to dessemninate the pictures of Abu Gharaib prison in order to intimidate the freedom fighters; which needless to say double backfired. In order to crush sunni resistence Americans started establishing shia death squads and for that they appointed their expert of creating and mangeing death squads, Nagroponte, in Iraq; the guy had almost 25 years of experience from operations in south america under his belt. This butcher established new records in killing civilians in the American history of invasions so that if casualty figure of 655K Iraqis is true, about 80% of deaths can be easily attributed to this a-hole.

As far as Kurds are concerned - their history goes back to the Soviet era. At that time there were two groups in Kurds; one headed by Jalal Talbani and other by Masud Barzani. One of them was backed by Soviets who used to create trouble for those states who were pro-USA like turkey while other group used to create trouble for those countries that were pro-soviet or were against USA, like Iran. When Iraq was fighting Iran, USA provided chemical weapons to Saddam to gas soviet backed kurds who intensified their efforts against Iraq when soviets started feeling heat in Afghanistan. (soviets were providing arms to Iranians as well). The two kurd groups were milking both powers to the fullest until soviet union collapsed. At that time Americans united those groups and started using them against Iraq and Iran, around the Gulf war time. So the Kurd cooperation has less to do with saddam and more to do with being clients of one power or the other.

All said and done, it does not releive Saddam of any crimes against his own people. Those crimes are there. But we must put everything in perspective and truth must be told.

Re: # 19

If Saddam did not commit any crimes against Shites and Kurds why would those groups co-operate with the USA against his regime ?

#37 by rafi_aamer ,

Because he is stuck in the sickly sweet Reader`s Digest style two-bit morality kind of stuff.

He doesn`t know that history began before yesterday, or the week before, or before Saddam came to power, or went to war with Iran, or crushed the Barzanis, or removed from power, or before he was executed. But that`s ok. He is in plenty of good company.

For what`s really happening, read #95 by okhla99 on the other board in the interest of time. He`s summed it up pretty well.

Re: # 13
zeemax

Could you please elaborate on why you think Mr. Kazmi is naive?

Thanks.

If Saddam is a butcher of Baghdad, then Musharraf may very well be butcher of Baluchistan. As per Christian Science Monitor (http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1221/p01s04-wosc.html)

``I would say this now qualifies as a `crimes against humanity` situation,`` says one foreign observer who has interviewed delegates from the region.

For six months, aid agencies and diplomats have been pressing Pakistan authorities to permit them to distribute aid packages, which include emergency rations, tents, and medicine. The UN won`t deliver aid without permission from the host nation, says Robert van Dijk, the top UNICEF officer for Pakistan.

``When we went back there recently, we found the same numbers of people,`` he says, ``and even worse conditions - among the worst I`ve ever seen.``

Re: # 16

So since apart from Malaysia and Turkey the entire Muslim world is Munafiq as they do not have functioning democracies and are police states.

Regards
Sanatani

Re: # 2

Oye Stuke kuttya,

eh te meri line see. Tune votichod kyon la lai.

Anyway what you have written is true. Let us see this guy talking in the same vein as Ayatollah Khomeini.

Regards
Sanatani

lap dog? Do you people even know how good lapdogs have it in the US...

Pakiland is much much lower than a lapdog...a lap dog`s litter box perhaps...

Re: # 31

I do not think Pakistan has been a blind follower of USA after the cold war. I doubt a lapdog would ignore Clinton administration`s diktats on Osama Bin laden. The current low level support for the Taliban would not happen if Pakistan was a blind follower of USA.

Re: # 27
Dear bbabu,
Rightly said, Pakistan was not a lap dog for Uncle Sam once upon a time. It has always been so. Foriegn policy of Pakistan has always been dirty to the core and rotten to the end, serving the dirty interests of US, nothing else.

Re: # 25
Dear Mr. Nasah,
You sound like a very angry person. Please control yourself and in the interest of dialogue, please listen to others as well. Thanks and wish you well.