Punjab: The Land of Five Rivers
Nadeem Alam January 21, 2007
#78 Posted by mania on February 1, 2007 12:11:53 am
heyy u didnt describe MUTAN very well ...
where is multani khusa,
multani sohan hulwa,
multani kurta,
bed sheetz??????????
wat abt gate way of multan??? itz not only the city of saints ..
it is also known as the city of sun ......shah shams ke sehr main .....
...multani mitti ??saraiki language???
where is multani khusa,
multani sohan hulwa,
multani kurta,
bed sheetz??????????
wat abt gate way of multan??? itz not only the city of saints ..
it is also known as the city of sun ......shah shams ke sehr main .....
...multani mitti ??saraiki language???
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#77 Posted by Saroya on January 26, 2007 12:06:07 am
Re: # 50
[.....The word Raja has equivalence to word Regis in Latin which again means King etc. ]
Not surprisingly, well considered Kamath.....
We read that the first ‘word’ ever to pass from the lips of a human would probably have been `UG` !!
But, that `UG` was probably understood by the entire population of the world as it was.
The land mass known as Earth was torn apart and, as a consequence, so was it`s inhabitants; to all the farthest corners of the world and through the distances created by this event, its inhabitants became predisposed to oblivion.
The unification of a people is not achieved by proliferating beliefs but rather by improving means of communication; not only within the confines of one’s own borders but beyond, into territories occupied by others.
[.....The word Raja has equivalence to word Regis in Latin which again means King etc. ]
Not surprisingly, well considered Kamath.....
We read that the first ‘word’ ever to pass from the lips of a human would probably have been `UG` !!
But, that `UG` was probably understood by the entire population of the world as it was.
The land mass known as Earth was torn apart and, as a consequence, so was it`s inhabitants; to all the farthest corners of the world and through the distances created by this event, its inhabitants became predisposed to oblivion.
The unification of a people is not achieved by proliferating beliefs but rather by improving means of communication; not only within the confines of one’s own borders but beyond, into territories occupied by others.
#76 Posted by Saroya on January 25, 2007 9:17:41 pm
Re: # 49
Never before in the history of mankind has so much dialogue been exchanged between peoples of other nations!!!
It is important to retain one`s knowledge of one`s own language.
It is equally important to learn more about another`s time and space and language in order to fully appreciate the varying points of view that exist today.
It is neither a coincidence (here`s that word again Dr Sohail!!) nor an accident that we converse in what is sometimes called the `universal language` as it only by this means that we can openly communicate and allow ourselves to be understood by more than just `our own kind`, whatever that `kind` may be.
Let`s embrace the opportunity and move forward and further still......
Never before in the history of mankind has so much dialogue been exchanged between peoples of other nations!!!
It is important to retain one`s knowledge of one`s own language.
It is equally important to learn more about another`s time and space and language in order to fully appreciate the varying points of view that exist today.
It is neither a coincidence (here`s that word again Dr Sohail!!) nor an accident that we converse in what is sometimes called the `universal language` as it only by this means that we can openly communicate and allow ourselves to be understood by more than just `our own kind`, whatever that `kind` may be.
Let`s embrace the opportunity and move forward and further still......
#75 Posted by Saroya on January 25, 2007 9:04:34 pm
Re: # 47
[................ Yes, the harsh reality of partition is there - today. Yes, there have been several wars and a lot of bloodshed between the two. There have been more wars and even more bloodshed between Muslims of the two main sects]......................
Several??? There have been wars and bloodshed for millions of years!!!!!
Yes, it is definitely time to stop the rediscovery, reinvention and perpetuation of our past.
Yes, leave the past in the annals of history where it belongs and move forward in time to the present day and beyond!!
[................ Yes, the harsh reality of partition is there - today. Yes, there have been several wars and a lot of bloodshed between the two. There have been more wars and even more bloodshed between Muslims of the two main sects]......................
Several??? There have been wars and bloodshed for millions of years!!!!!
Yes, it is definitely time to stop the rediscovery, reinvention and perpetuation of our past.
Yes, leave the past in the annals of history where it belongs and move forward in time to the present day and beyond!!
#73 Posted by Saroya on January 25, 2007 8:47:07 pm
Re: # 37
Viz:http://www.dailyindia.com/show/105136.php/NRI-girl-wins-title-Miss-World-Punjaban
2006-
Ludhiana, Jan. 19 (ANI): Japjee Khera, an NRI girl has been crowned `Miss World Punjaban 2006` - the most beautiful Punjabi girl in the world.
``Living in the West, one must live in close quarters with one`s own language and culture. When you walk, people don`t identify you with clothes but with your personality. One should develop such an image while living abroad,`` said Japjee, after winning the title.
``The most beautiful, talented, and a true Punjabi`` Japjee, won out of 250 contestants, who participated in the ninth exclusive international beauty pageant.
``I want to open centres around the world where everyone can come and learn the Punjabi language. It`s not limited to the people of Punjabi origin; even Englishmen can also learn the language. I want to make people aware of Punjabi culture and traditions. Along with, I will continue my studies further to achieve the best,`` she added.
Having already pledged to donate her eyes after her death, she is now aspiring to start her career in films and has already acted in a Punjabi TV serial with ETC channel.
The `Miss World Punjaban` contest envisages bringing Punjabi girls on stage. Any Punjabi girl, who is beautiful, and has an extensive knowledge of Punjabi culture, its traditions and rituals, are eligible for the contest.
It was Jasmer Singh Dhatt`s idea to organise such events and he began with the Punjaban title 13 years ago. He then took it to `Miss World Punjaban`.
``Miss World Punjaban is a unique contest and not like the others where western style is being followed and girls are put on stage in short dresses. It`s a competition where the beauty is judged on the complete personality and not solely on her physical charms. Living in any part of the world, the Punjabi girl, who is 17 to 25 years old, loves Punjabi culture, and 5` 4`` tall or more can participate in the competition,`` said Dhatt.
The event was organised by Punjabi Sabhayacharak Sath, a brainchild of Jasmer Singh Dhatt. (ANI)
Viz:http://www.dailyindia.com/show/105136.php/NRI-girl-wins-title-Miss-World-Punjaban
2006-
Ludhiana, Jan. 19 (ANI): Japjee Khera, an NRI girl has been crowned `Miss World Punjaban 2006` - the most beautiful Punjabi girl in the world.
``Living in the West, one must live in close quarters with one`s own language and culture. When you walk, people don`t identify you with clothes but with your personality. One should develop such an image while living abroad,`` said Japjee, after winning the title.
``The most beautiful, talented, and a true Punjabi`` Japjee, won out of 250 contestants, who participated in the ninth exclusive international beauty pageant.
``I want to open centres around the world where everyone can come and learn the Punjabi language. It`s not limited to the people of Punjabi origin; even Englishmen can also learn the language. I want to make people aware of Punjabi culture and traditions. Along with, I will continue my studies further to achieve the best,`` she added.
Having already pledged to donate her eyes after her death, she is now aspiring to start her career in films and has already acted in a Punjabi TV serial with ETC channel.
The `Miss World Punjaban` contest envisages bringing Punjabi girls on stage. Any Punjabi girl, who is beautiful, and has an extensive knowledge of Punjabi culture, its traditions and rituals, are eligible for the contest.
It was Jasmer Singh Dhatt`s idea to organise such events and he began with the Punjaban title 13 years ago. He then took it to `Miss World Punjaban`.
``Miss World Punjaban is a unique contest and not like the others where western style is being followed and girls are put on stage in short dresses. It`s a competition where the beauty is judged on the complete personality and not solely on her physical charms. Living in any part of the world, the Punjabi girl, who is 17 to 25 years old, loves Punjabi culture, and 5` 4`` tall or more can participate in the competition,`` said Dhatt.
The event was organised by Punjabi Sabhayacharak Sath, a brainchild of Jasmer Singh Dhatt. (ANI)
#72 Posted by Saroya on January 25, 2007 8:31:50 pm
Re: # 62
viz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_(India)
``The Punjabi culture is one of self-dependence, self-reliance and hard work, which have made Punjabis statistically on average the wealthiest in India. These character traits comes from Punjab`s difficult history, particularly due to the number of outside invasions, (Greeks, Arabs, Turks, Iranians, Mughals and Afghans), and retaliation from Punjabis in response to these incredibly hostile acts. This heroism of Punjabis was highlighted with Alexander the Great`s invasion of Punjab. One of the most notable being the Punjabi King Porus & his army`s defence of Punjab. In a letter to his mother he wrote, ``I am involved in the land of a leonine and brave people, where every foot of the ground is like a well of steel, confronting my soldier. You have brought only one son into the world, but everyone in this land can be called an Alexander.”[1] Some of India`s best intellectuals, business people, sports people, artists, military and political leaders come from this state. Punjabis customarily value and show great respect for their traditions and history. Traditional historic Punjabi culture is renowned for its tolerance, progressive and logical approach to life. The state is the location of one of the world`s first and oldest civilizations, the Indus Valley Civilization, India`s first civilization. As a consequence it has some of the richest cultural history in the world``
viz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_people
Punjabi Population:- approximately 120 million
Pakistan: 72,000,000
India: 30,056,000
United Kingdom: 1,051,000
Saudi Arabia: 526,000
Canada: 298,000
Myanmar: 119,000
UAE: 110,000
United States: c. 100,000
Malaysia: 83,000
Australia: 78,000
New Zealand: 12,000
Singapore: 10,000
viz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Punjabis.JPG
Bulleh Shah- Punjabi poet
Guru Nanak - Founder of Sikhism
Noor Jehan - a Pakistani Punjabi actress
Nawaz Sharif - Prime Minister of Pakistan
I`m sure this list can be extended - this call goes out to all 120 million to assist Faizanhafeez o in his quest to find ``the notable men and women Punjab has produced``
viz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_(India)
``The Punjabi culture is one of self-dependence, self-reliance and hard work, which have made Punjabis statistically on average the wealthiest in India. These character traits comes from Punjab`s difficult history, particularly due to the number of outside invasions, (Greeks, Arabs, Turks, Iranians, Mughals and Afghans), and retaliation from Punjabis in response to these incredibly hostile acts. This heroism of Punjabis was highlighted with Alexander the Great`s invasion of Punjab. One of the most notable being the Punjabi King Porus & his army`s defence of Punjab. In a letter to his mother he wrote, ``I am involved in the land of a leonine and brave people, where every foot of the ground is like a well of steel, confronting my soldier. You have brought only one son into the world, but everyone in this land can be called an Alexander.”[1] Some of India`s best intellectuals, business people, sports people, artists, military and political leaders come from this state. Punjabis customarily value and show great respect for their traditions and history. Traditional historic Punjabi culture is renowned for its tolerance, progressive and logical approach to life. The state is the location of one of the world`s first and oldest civilizations, the Indus Valley Civilization, India`s first civilization. As a consequence it has some of the richest cultural history in the world``
viz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_people
Punjabi Population:- approximately 120 million
Pakistan: 72,000,000
India: 30,056,000
United Kingdom: 1,051,000
Saudi Arabia: 526,000
Canada: 298,000
Myanmar: 119,000
UAE: 110,000
United States: c. 100,000
Malaysia: 83,000
Australia: 78,000
New Zealand: 12,000
Singapore: 10,000
viz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Punjabis.JPG
Bulleh Shah- Punjabi poet
Guru Nanak - Founder of Sikhism
Noor Jehan - a Pakistani Punjabi actress
Nawaz Sharif - Prime Minister of Pakistan
I`m sure this list can be extended - this call goes out to all 120 million to assist Faizanhafeez o in his quest to find ``the notable men and women Punjab has produced``
#71 Posted by Saroya on January 25, 2007 8:05:24 pm
Re: # 4
Close, but not entirely correct, the author is more accurate.
Studies have shown that the planet Earth was formed approximately 4.5 BILLION years ago. Once the gases subsided and the molten materials cooled, solid rock formed and Earth’s geological history began.
It was not till about 4 THOUSAND MILLION YEARS LATER that the first animals walked the earth. This is the period in time more commonly referred to as THE PRECAMBRIAN ERA. This period is generally accepted as extending from 4.5 million years (Hadean Period) through to 543 million years (Neoproterozoic Period); it also includes several other important periods within this time frame.
It is also during the Precambrian Era, which represents about seven-eighths of the Earth’s history, that, not only the most important geological events took place, but the most important events in biological history took place. As the atmosphere became more enriched with oxygen and just before the end of the Precambrian Era, the first animals evolved
Although homosapiens had already evolved and dispersed all over the world by the Holocene period, the last 10,000 years is known as Anthropogene, arbitrarily known as the “Age of Man”. This is the period of humanity`s recorded history and the rise and fall of its civilizations.
It was during the early part of the Precambrian Era that the first tectonic plates arose and began to move, exposing more and more land mass.
The Tethyan Trench existed in the northern part of the Tethys Ocean during the Jurassic Era. The Jurassic Era occupying the period 200 million to 144 million years ago. This trench CLOSED the Tethys Ocean during the latter part of the Miocene Era (about 5 million years ago). The Tethys Ocean existed between the continents of Gondwana and Laurasia before the opening of the Indian Ocean.
India, Indonesia as well as the Indian Ocean now occupy the area once covered by the Tethys Ocean.
It is therefore more probable that the area surrounding the modern day Kalar Kahar was formed during this time and not less than 15 million years ago as you claim.
I’m very interested in learning more about the Panthassalic Ocean if you’d care to elaborate.
Close, but not entirely correct, the author is more accurate.
Studies have shown that the planet Earth was formed approximately 4.5 BILLION years ago. Once the gases subsided and the molten materials cooled, solid rock formed and Earth’s geological history began.
It was not till about 4 THOUSAND MILLION YEARS LATER that the first animals walked the earth. This is the period in time more commonly referred to as THE PRECAMBRIAN ERA. This period is generally accepted as extending from 4.5 million years (Hadean Period) through to 543 million years (Neoproterozoic Period); it also includes several other important periods within this time frame.
It is also during the Precambrian Era, which represents about seven-eighths of the Earth’s history, that, not only the most important geological events took place, but the most important events in biological history took place. As the atmosphere became more enriched with oxygen and just before the end of the Precambrian Era, the first animals evolved
Although homosapiens had already evolved and dispersed all over the world by the Holocene period, the last 10,000 years is known as Anthropogene, arbitrarily known as the “Age of Man”. This is the period of humanity`s recorded history and the rise and fall of its civilizations.
It was during the early part of the Precambrian Era that the first tectonic plates arose and began to move, exposing more and more land mass.
The Tethyan Trench existed in the northern part of the Tethys Ocean during the Jurassic Era. The Jurassic Era occupying the period 200 million to 144 million years ago. This trench CLOSED the Tethys Ocean during the latter part of the Miocene Era (about 5 million years ago). The Tethys Ocean existed between the continents of Gondwana and Laurasia before the opening of the Indian Ocean.
India, Indonesia as well as the Indian Ocean now occupy the area once covered by the Tethys Ocean.
It is therefore more probable that the area surrounding the modern day Kalar Kahar was formed during this time and not less than 15 million years ago as you claim.
I’m very interested in learning more about the Panthassalic Ocean if you’d care to elaborate.
#70 Posted by teshah on January 25, 2007 7:16:25 pm
Too sketchy!
It did not mention even the city of Attock, situated at the point on the Indus river whereat Alexander, the great, crossed the river and established the city, the correct name of which, in my view, is Attic or Attica, meaning relating to Athens (Athens wala) which got corrupted to Attock, where a famous Attock Fort built by Akbar, the great, also stands majestic at the bank of the river. So here the two Greats left their enduring marks on history of India. Again, Sikandar Hayyat Khan, the great, who was the first governor and prime minister of the United Punjab, also belonged to Attock District.
It did not mention even the city of Attock, situated at the point on the Indus river whereat Alexander, the great, crossed the river and established the city, the correct name of which, in my view, is Attic or Attica, meaning relating to Athens (Athens wala) which got corrupted to Attock, where a famous Attock Fort built by Akbar, the great, also stands majestic at the bank of the river. So here the two Greats left their enduring marks on history of India. Again, Sikandar Hayyat Khan, the great, who was the first governor and prime minister of the United Punjab, also belonged to Attock District.
#69 Posted by Ally on January 24, 2007 12:46:17 pm
the reason why guys from Pak have gonoe to India is to see the various temples and study how the deities and temples are arranged so as to have a similar sort of layout... as you can imagine there are not that many big Hindu temples in Pak!
#68 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on January 24, 2007 1:29:58 am
Dost Mitter # 60
(BTW, are you still in Sri Lanka?)
Yes. Still in Colombo. Will be here until Oct 07.
Recently visited Nuwara Eilya in hill country from where Rawana (of Ramayana) belonged. Saw the Sita`s temple.
Do come .... my son has migrated to Canada from US. Will visit you probably in end 2007.
regards
nhk
(BTW, are you still in Sri Lanka?)
Yes. Still in Colombo. Will be here until Oct 07.
Recently visited Nuwara Eilya in hill country from where Rawana (of Ramayana) belonged. Saw the Sita`s temple.
Do come .... my son has migrated to Canada from US. Will visit you probably in end 2007.
regards
nhk
#67 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 23, 2007 8:34:31 pm
#62 by faizanhafeez on January 23, 2007 11:21am PT
{``Can anyone guide me to a source: book or a web site which lists the notable men and women Punjab has produced. ``}
Hafeez Sahib,
There is a two paragraph pamphlet entitled ``Punjabi Civilization`` by Fakhr Butt. It has a comprehensive list of three names of notable men and women that Punjab has produced.
{``Can anyone guide me to a source: book or a web site which lists the notable men and women Punjab has produced. ``}
Hafeez Sahib,
There is a two paragraph pamphlet entitled ``Punjabi Civilization`` by Fakhr Butt. It has a comprehensive list of three names of notable men and women that Punjab has produced.
#66 Posted by Kamath on January 23, 2007 2:39:48 pm
Where is the author? No where to be seen to replyto reader`s comments!
Kamath
Kamath
#65 Posted by Kamath on January 23, 2007 2:39:44 pm
Where is the author? No where to be seen to replyto reader`s comments!
Kamath
Kamath
#63 Posted by Urstruly on January 23, 2007 11:42:53 am
Re: # 61
http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/panja.html
http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/panja.html
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