Huntington's Clash of Civilizations Thesis

... and another chut`ya tries to take credit for Malysia`s success on some godforsaken hellhole called Kela-laa (banana-laa for the really dumb ones) or something where monkeys swing on trees ... haha

effing idiots ...
:~)

So all some chut`yas could pick out of #329 was the spellings of Mohatir and bars and nightlife in an Islamic countey .. haha

Effing idiots ...
:~)

Re: # 344 hamidm {``...ONE problem with pakistan - the fact that i have to make `arrangements` to have a drink when i am there ...``}

What nonsense... your information is either outdated or you hang around with morons when you go there. I visited Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad last month and found the picture to be radically different.

All hotels, clubs and even several restaurants (particularly in Karachi) can accommodate you. Spirits and beers are available almost everywhere. But except for the UN club and Canadian club in Islamabad, wine is somewhat more difficult to come by. Since I do not drink any spirits or beer due to medical reasons, and wine is about the only thing I drink any more (that too just one glass with dinner) I didn`t benefit from this liberated atmosphere. There are many other private clubs in all three cities, particularly in Islamabad, that have open bars and disco dancing, etc... but that is for the youth. We old foggies missed the boat on that years ago. The atmosphere seems very different than it was in the days of Zina-ul Haq`s or his protege...

Everyone talks about Musharraf`s ``enlightened moderation`` and gets on with it. My wife and I are facultative vegetarians so it didn`t matter to us, but it may interest you to know that even pork products are available, at least in Islamabad. So have no fear saying good bye to Michigan when the time comes. I for one, frankly, felt ``safer`` in Islamabad, than I do in Washington DC.

The one hedonistic pleasure that was no good was the obsolete, smelly, distasteful and highly dissatisfactory charas... The shit not only stinks, it also tastes awful. Even the best of the best was like a candle before the sun if you compare it to the great Californian hydroponic product.

It isn`t out of a whim that I accept Romair`s ``invitation``... I really won`t mind moving to Isloo. But I`ll have to order some good seeds from Amsterdam first.

...SR

romair mian,

...... i think you are missing the big difference between me and urstruly :

........ urstruly lives in america and HATES everything about it and it is quite possible he is actively working to undermine it by robbing parking meters and spitting on the sidewalk ........

.......... i, on the other hand, live in the us and love it and i LOVE pakistan too - there are many many many things i love about pakistan, specially the liberating concept of domestic help and the ability to pee any where you want .......... that is why i plan to retire there ........ but i do have ONE problem with pakistan - the fact that i have to make `arrangements` to have a drink when i am there which i blame on the ideology being pushed by the mullahs and their flock of sheep ........ this fascination with an outdated bedouin ideology also prevents us from making material progess in business, industry and tantric sex .......

p.s. it seems that ayaz amir shares my concerns - see his column in today`s dawn

hamidm2 mian#: ``...... so, even though i feel sorry for the millions of unwashed and unemployed abduls roaming the streets of pakistan and will gladly give them a couple of rupees, i do not intend to give up 24 hour electricity, central air, and clean public restrooms to help them out ............... ``

....this is fine....nothing wrong with enjoying the good life......what is wrong is to, then, spend the whole day talking about problems in pakistan and why others aren`t fixing them......a favorite trait of you and your alter-ego mr. truly..........

.......why not just enjoy your days in pleasant dearborn, michigan and not worry about pakistan.......

SR#: 332: ``Let`s get started. You put the money and I`ll take my mouth with me to put it in. Okay, I`ll put my money too, just to be fair....``

....if you are serious, then please keep in touch....no money or investment is required.....only certain skillsets are required.....and you may not need to move to islamabad.......though much of the work will be in islamabad and in karachi.........

........pakistan has had quite a turnaround in its banking sector......infrastructure, IT of banks etc.......there are foreign companies lining up to buy these banks now.......a lot of projects begging to be delivered, with no skillsets available......i have been in contact with various individuals from india, as that is the only way to do these projects....and am days away from getting something going.......

how are your skills in the risk management, assets and liability management and islamic banking space?...........

#339 by Kulharee on February 9, 2007 9:39am PT

oh..it`s peemax quoting mahathir..

that`s funny..a lot of western electronics companies make electronic products in malaysia because of, sit down for this, wage arbitration. yup..the same wage arbitration some people told us was a sign of slavery...

And when mahathir was the president, he used the Indian side of his brain and not his self-destructive ummah side to govern..he may have not been down with the whole west opressing the ummah homies thing but he had no problem is doing a lot of business with the west..

mahathir talks..and homies like zeemax just lap it up...never mind the fact that not one of the ummah nations has achieved as much as malaysia....

Things are looking up in Pakiland...If this keeps up, jihadi will be purged from the paki DNA in about 2 generations..

``>Education: signs of hope

By Pervez Hoodbhoy

Third, the White Paper team, headed by a respected retired civil servant, Javed Hasan Aly, starts with the premise that Pakistan seeks progress and prosperity: “Recognising education as a right of the citizen, it is the aim of the state of Pakistan to provide equal and ample opportunity to all its citizens to realise their full potential as individuals….preparing them for life, livelihood, and nation-building.”

This is in stark contrast to earlier education policies which saw Pakistani education as a tool to forcibly remake children’s minds. An official document, issued 11 years ago by the same ministry, had required that school children be taught to “make speeches on jihad and shahadat”; be aware of “India’s evil designs against Pakistan”; that they must “demonstrate by actions a belief in the fear of Allah”; go on field trips to “visit police stations”; and must “collect pictures of policemen, soldiers and National Guards”. (These are direct quotes.)

Re: # 337
Yes Arjun, check out 329.

romair mian,

``.....so, once again, i give you the offer: are you willing to quit your job and join me, and put your money where your mouth is? ...anyone can be a critic... ``

are you crazy ! ....... as much as i love pakistan, i love the good life better and since i don`t believe in houris and have no interest in young boys, i intend to live it to the fullest, right here in the good old usa where i can get a decent steak and beer any time i want .......

....... look, i feel sorry for homeless people and will give the man who says he `will work for food` a buck or two, but there is no way i will invite him to come in and sleep on my couch .......... much less, leave the comfort of my home to live with him under the bridge ! .......... i leave that up to people like masadi and mother teresa .........

...... so, even though i feel sorry for the millions of unwashed and unemployed abduls roaming the streets of pakistan and will gladly give them a couple of rupees, i do not intend to give up 24 hour electricity, central air, and clean public restrooms to help them out ............... in any case, their problems are much bigger than i can solve ........... of course it makes me sad when they blow themselves up because they have nothing to live for, but it is really not my fault - the fault lies with their regressive and obscurantist ideology pushed by their venal leadership which keeps them mired in misery while the rest of the world marches on ..........

....... but don`t let me stop you - if you want to do something `for` pakistan, go ahead ....... i wish you the best of luck and in a couple of years i would be more than happy to entertain you in islamabad from nov to march .......... just make sure the followers of the imam of lal masjid, maulana masadi, do not plant ied`s in the blue area ...........

Kul...did someone quote mahathir?


Born in Alor Setar, the capital of the northern state of Kedah, Mahathir said in his autobiography that he had Indian ancestry (from his father), with its origins tracing back to Kerala in India, while his mother was a Kedah-born Malay.

Re: # 335

Arjun, misquoting is the least of Masadi’s issues. It’s his bigoted and dogmatic opinions that are laughable. Masadi’s only motivation is hatred of the west as he feels threatened by muslims having a positive opinion of the western values of democracy, freedom of expression and religion among many other (he refers to them as dimwits and idiots). Some joker above was quoting Mahathir (not Mohatir) saying that muslims have forgotten the teachings of Quran, while having absolutely no clue of this bigoted anti-Semite joker. Kuala Lumpur has some of the best bar scene and night-life in the entire Islamic world. Sure, Mahathir is going to tell others to follow Islamic ways.

#322 by masadi on February 8, 2007 9:50pm PT


For the genius who asked for a link to the Population reference bureau`s World population data sheet, use your favourite search tool and type in ``world population data sheet 2006``,


masadi...either you`re stupid or you think we are...

here...let me quote YOUR post..


According to the US census bureau`s 2006 world population data sheet,

#325 by masadi on February 8, 2007 10:57pm PT


Not really, you are deceptive in the broader sense and in the narrower sense quite idiotic and dishonest.


Dishonest? At least he hasn`t quoted non-existent ``facts`` from the US census bureau...nothing more dishonest than pulling facts out of your rear...

SR#331:

This David Green guy is brilliant!

#332:

Maybe chowk will result in some good after-all. :)

Re: # 315 bulleye {``...........so, once again, i give you the offer: are you willing to quit your job and join me, and put your money where your mouth is? ...anyone can be a critic... ``}

Forget Hamidm and Urstruly... hypocrites both. I`ll quit my job... but oops.. I don`t have one, so no worries there... Come one let`s go. I`m sick of this dark, foggy island any way. I`ll even go to hell to get some sun. Pack your bags and let`s move to Islamabad. I understand there is a lot of work to be done. Let`s get started. You put the money and I`ll take my mouth with me to put it in. Okay, I`ll put my money too, just to be fair.

There are many areas that need work. We can`t do everything of course. So let`s each do what we can. I`ve been looking at the Public Health sector. There are huge gaps. Even the magnitude of the problems is not fully know. Hepatitis, Dengue, Malaria, tuberculosis, you name it. There is a huge HIV/AIDS epidemic waiting to burst out like a monster from the sea. The available data have HUGE gaps in them and no one knows even the extent of the problem, let alone have any idea of how best to tackle it. I`m willing to give three years of my remaining life to this proposal... challange others, let`s stop farting around and do something. If you`re really serious let`s really do it.

As for the hamidm`s and Urstruly`s, I`ll say this, either shit or get off the pot.

...SR