Huntington's Clash of Civilizations Thesis
M Asadi February 2, 2007
#331 Posted by SR on February 9, 2007 2:58:56 am
How to tell if your EMPIRE is CRUMBLING?``
My good friend, David Greene, a patriotic American, has come up with some sure-fire indicators which can ascertain that the Empire is crumbling. He says, and I quote:
``You`ve built yourself an empire, eh? ... Well, now you`ve got to do what everybody does when they have an empire, of course. You`ve got to worry about it falling apart, mate!
But how to tell for sure? Let me see if I can be helpful. Here are some rules of thumb to keep in mind, thirty-six sure-fire indicators that your empire is falling apart:
1) You know your empire`s crumbling when the folks who are gearing up their empire to replace yours start blowing up satellites in space. And then they don`t bother to return your phone calls when you ring up to ask why.
2) You know your empire`s crumbling when those same folks are cutting deals left, right and center across Asia, Latin America and Africa, while you, your lousy terms, and your arrogant attitude are no longer welcome.
3) You know your empire`s crumbling when you`re spending your grandchildren`s money like a drunken sailor, and letting your soon-to-be rivals finance your little splurge (i.e., letting them own your country).
4) You know your empire`s crumbling when it`s considered an achievement to pretend that you`ve halved the rate at which you`re adding to the massive mountain of debt you`ve already accumulated.
5) You know your empire`s crumbling when you weaken your currency until it looks as anemic as a Paris runway model, and you`re still setting record trade deficits. (Hint: Because you`re not making anything anymore.)
6) You know your empire`s crumbling when ``the little brown ones`` (thank you George H.W. Bush - certainly not me - for that lovely expression) in country after country of ``your backyard`` blow you off and proudly elect anti-imperialist leftist governments.
7) You know your empire`s crumbling when you can`t topple those governments and replace them with nice puppet regimes - like in the good old days - even if you wanted to. And you badly want to.
8) You know your empire`s crumbling when one of their leaders comes to the United Nations and makes fun of your emperor, calling him the devil, and joking about smelling sulphur where he just stood. And though a few folks cringe, everybody laughs.
9) You know your empire`s crumbling when just about your entire military land force is tied up in a worse-than-useless war launched on the basis of complete fabrications, that every day is actually making you less - not more - secure from external threat.
10) You know your empire`s crumbling when almost half the soldiers in that war are high-paid mercenaries, and you don`t dare institute a draft.
11) You know your empire`s crumbling when you send soldiers into war with two weeks training and a lack of armor, and then you keep them there for three, four and five rotations.
12) You know your empire`s crumbling when a member of the Axis of Evil can test missiles and explode nuclear warheads, and all you can do about it is mumble some pathetic warnings about how they better not do that again or there will be consequences.
13) You know your empire`s crumbling when you even think that there is an Axis of Evil.
14) You know your empire`s crumbling when a rag-tag military hodge-podge of irregulars has you pinned down in an endless fight you can`t win, but also can`t lose.
15) You know your empire`s crumbling when you`re too dumb to even ban Humvees as a first step toward ending your dependency on a foreign-owned crucial resource.
16) You know your empire`s crumbling when you trade your prior moral leadership on human rights issues for global disgust at your torture, `extraordinary rendition` (a.k.a. kidnaping for torture) and the dismantling of nine centuries worth of civil liberties progress.
17) You know your empire`s crumbling when you blow off international law that you once helped create, and undermine the institutions of international governance that you once helped build.
18) You know your empire`s crumbling when opinion polls confirm that every month you`re more and more despised throughout the world.
19) You know your empire`s crumbling when you can`t even pull off the hanging of a tin-pot murderous former dictator without turning him into a hero.
20) You know your empire`s crumbling when you`re the richest country in the world, but nearly 50 million of your people don`t have basic health care coverage.
21) You know your empire`s crumbling when the World Health Organization ranks your healthcare system 37th `best` in the world, just above Slovenia, and just below Costa Rica. (And far below Colombia, Cyprus, Saudi Arabia and Morocco.)
22) You know your empire`s crumbling when instead of making it easier for citizens to obtain a higher education, you`re making it harder and more expensive.
23) You know your empire`s crumbling when your government gives tax breaks to industries as a reward for exporting your jobs elsewhere.
24) You know your empire`s crumbling when the so-called `opposition` party can`t even turn that obscenity into a viable campaign theme and use it to clobber the worst emperor in your history.
25) You know your empire`s crumbling when your middle class has been stagnant for three decades, while the wealth of the hyper-rich continues to climb through the roof.
26) You know your empire`s crumbling when your reaction to that is to exacerbate the problem by enacting tax policies that massively increase further still the gap between the rich and the rest.
27) You know your empire`s crumbling when the predatory class has taken over your government and is stripping the country of everything not bolted down to the floor. And then it sells the floor itself, as well, to your rivals.
28) You know your empire`s crumbling when you`re spending tens of billions of dollars you don`t own on new nuclear warheads and space weapons that don`t work, to be used against an enemy you don`t have.
29) You know your empire`s crumbling when one of your cities drowns and your government does next to nothing before, during and after.
30) You know your empire`s crumbling when a massive environmental nightmare is looming around the corner, and your emperor not only ignores it, but claims it isn`t real while taking steps to exacerbate it.
31) You know your empire`s crumbling when your emperor is warned by a CIA briefer of an imminent terrorist attack of vast proportions, and responds by remaining on vacation and dismissing the briefer with the words: ``All right. You`ve covered your ass, now.``
32) You know your empire`s crumbling when the same emperor drops everything to fly across the country from his vacation home in order to sign a bill intervening on the wrong side of a personal medical drama involving a single family.
33) You know your empire`s crumbling when gays and immigrants are used as diversionary issues to keep people from thinking about the pillaging of their country and their wallets actually taking place. And it works.
34) You know your empire`s crumbling when people are getting more religious and less scientific, not the other way around.
35) You know your empire`s crumbling when your political leaders start to be chosen by dynastic rules of succession.
36) And you especially know your empire`s crumbling when the most idiotic child of one of the least accomplished leaders in its history is not only crowned as the next emperor, but is even revered for a time by most of the public as a great one.
Can you spell ... Caligula? Nero? George III?
Rome? Britain? Spain?
Any gusses, anyone?
My good friend, David Greene, a patriotic American, has come up with some sure-fire indicators which can ascertain that the Empire is crumbling. He says, and I quote:
``You`ve built yourself an empire, eh? ... Well, now you`ve got to do what everybody does when they have an empire, of course. You`ve got to worry about it falling apart, mate!
But how to tell for sure? Let me see if I can be helpful. Here are some rules of thumb to keep in mind, thirty-six sure-fire indicators that your empire is falling apart:
1) You know your empire`s crumbling when the folks who are gearing up their empire to replace yours start blowing up satellites in space. And then they don`t bother to return your phone calls when you ring up to ask why.
2) You know your empire`s crumbling when those same folks are cutting deals left, right and center across Asia, Latin America and Africa, while you, your lousy terms, and your arrogant attitude are no longer welcome.
3) You know your empire`s crumbling when you`re spending your grandchildren`s money like a drunken sailor, and letting your soon-to-be rivals finance your little splurge (i.e., letting them own your country).
4) You know your empire`s crumbling when it`s considered an achievement to pretend that you`ve halved the rate at which you`re adding to the massive mountain of debt you`ve already accumulated.
5) You know your empire`s crumbling when you weaken your currency until it looks as anemic as a Paris runway model, and you`re still setting record trade deficits. (Hint: Because you`re not making anything anymore.)
6) You know your empire`s crumbling when ``the little brown ones`` (thank you George H.W. Bush - certainly not me - for that lovely expression) in country after country of ``your backyard`` blow you off and proudly elect anti-imperialist leftist governments.
7) You know your empire`s crumbling when you can`t topple those governments and replace them with nice puppet regimes - like in the good old days - even if you wanted to. And you badly want to.
8) You know your empire`s crumbling when one of their leaders comes to the United Nations and makes fun of your emperor, calling him the devil, and joking about smelling sulphur where he just stood. And though a few folks cringe, everybody laughs.
9) You know your empire`s crumbling when just about your entire military land force is tied up in a worse-than-useless war launched on the basis of complete fabrications, that every day is actually making you less - not more - secure from external threat.
10) You know your empire`s crumbling when almost half the soldiers in that war are high-paid mercenaries, and you don`t dare institute a draft.
11) You know your empire`s crumbling when you send soldiers into war with two weeks training and a lack of armor, and then you keep them there for three, four and five rotations.
12) You know your empire`s crumbling when a member of the Axis of Evil can test missiles and explode nuclear warheads, and all you can do about it is mumble some pathetic warnings about how they better not do that again or there will be consequences.
13) You know your empire`s crumbling when you even think that there is an Axis of Evil.
14) You know your empire`s crumbling when a rag-tag military hodge-podge of irregulars has you pinned down in an endless fight you can`t win, but also can`t lose.
15) You know your empire`s crumbling when you`re too dumb to even ban Humvees as a first step toward ending your dependency on a foreign-owned crucial resource.
16) You know your empire`s crumbling when you trade your prior moral leadership on human rights issues for global disgust at your torture, `extraordinary rendition` (a.k.a. kidnaping for torture) and the dismantling of nine centuries worth of civil liberties progress.
17) You know your empire`s crumbling when you blow off international law that you once helped create, and undermine the institutions of international governance that you once helped build.
18) You know your empire`s crumbling when opinion polls confirm that every month you`re more and more despised throughout the world.
19) You know your empire`s crumbling when you can`t even pull off the hanging of a tin-pot murderous former dictator without turning him into a hero.
20) You know your empire`s crumbling when you`re the richest country in the world, but nearly 50 million of your people don`t have basic health care coverage.
21) You know your empire`s crumbling when the World Health Organization ranks your healthcare system 37th `best` in the world, just above Slovenia, and just below Costa Rica. (And far below Colombia, Cyprus, Saudi Arabia and Morocco.)
22) You know your empire`s crumbling when instead of making it easier for citizens to obtain a higher education, you`re making it harder and more expensive.
23) You know your empire`s crumbling when your government gives tax breaks to industries as a reward for exporting your jobs elsewhere.
24) You know your empire`s crumbling when the so-called `opposition` party can`t even turn that obscenity into a viable campaign theme and use it to clobber the worst emperor in your history.
25) You know your empire`s crumbling when your middle class has been stagnant for three decades, while the wealth of the hyper-rich continues to climb through the roof.
26) You know your empire`s crumbling when your reaction to that is to exacerbate the problem by enacting tax policies that massively increase further still the gap between the rich and the rest.
27) You know your empire`s crumbling when the predatory class has taken over your government and is stripping the country of everything not bolted down to the floor. And then it sells the floor itself, as well, to your rivals.
28) You know your empire`s crumbling when you`re spending tens of billions of dollars you don`t own on new nuclear warheads and space weapons that don`t work, to be used against an enemy you don`t have.
29) You know your empire`s crumbling when one of your cities drowns and your government does next to nothing before, during and after.
30) You know your empire`s crumbling when a massive environmental nightmare is looming around the corner, and your emperor not only ignores it, but claims it isn`t real while taking steps to exacerbate it.
31) You know your empire`s crumbling when your emperor is warned by a CIA briefer of an imminent terrorist attack of vast proportions, and responds by remaining on vacation and dismissing the briefer with the words: ``All right. You`ve covered your ass, now.``
32) You know your empire`s crumbling when the same emperor drops everything to fly across the country from his vacation home in order to sign a bill intervening on the wrong side of a personal medical drama involving a single family.
33) You know your empire`s crumbling when gays and immigrants are used as diversionary issues to keep people from thinking about the pillaging of their country and their wallets actually taking place. And it works.
34) You know your empire`s crumbling when people are getting more religious and less scientific, not the other way around.
35) You know your empire`s crumbling when your political leaders start to be chosen by dynastic rules of succession.
36) And you especially know your empire`s crumbling when the most idiotic child of one of the least accomplished leaders in its history is not only crowned as the next emperor, but is even revered for a time by most of the public as a great one.
Can you spell ... Caligula? Nero? George III?
Rome? Britain? Spain?
Any gusses, anyone?
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#330 Posted by ballukhan on February 9, 2007 1:16:05 am
Hamid mia ...... the Islamists hate you because the mirror that you hold against them makes them shudder!!!
The Islamist elites are indeed the worst offenders. The mullahs and ayotollahs are indeed the crap of this world. And armchair propagandists like Asadi serve a very important function to keep the Islamists sending their cannon fodder of innocent ummah to kill themselves and keep their message of hate alive.
The Islamist elites are indeed the worst offenders. The mullahs and ayotollahs are indeed the crap of this world. And armchair propagandists like Asadi serve a very important function to keep the Islamists sending their cannon fodder of innocent ummah to kill themselves and keep their message of hate alive.
#329 Posted by zeemax on February 9, 2007 12:35:12 am
#309 by hamidm2
Quote:..... you are right .... but what pisses me off is that a lot of pakis, including usually brialliant people like ahmedmadani sahib, are influenced by these ranting fools and raving lunatics ............ and what pees me off even more is tha fact that while we wallow in our misery the horrible hindoos are getting on with the job of living and laughing all the way to the bank ............ Unquote.
Hamidm, what will piss you off even more is that what brialliant people like ahmedmadani sahib is saying as well as what your nemesis masadi saheb is saying is exactly ... ditto ... what Mohatir Mohammed says. And this is someone who`s no Mullah and who turned around his small country of 24 million from a lazy ex-colonial plantations backwater to a technological powerhouse of almost $13000/- per capita GDP in 22 years flat.
That`s more than the hindoos can ever dream of achieving in a 100 years. AND, he did it by confronting USA and Britain`s interference. Not only confronting, but abusing them left right & centre. It is the same Mohatir Muhammad who says that the only reason of decline of Muslims is that they abandoned the teachings of Quran.
That`s what I say and so do masadi and ahmedmadani, as well as some other people.
Now, you say the horrible hindoos are getting on with the job of living and laughing all the way to the bank ... who told you that?
Do you count only the horrible hindoos on Chowk as people ... ??? Do you know the projected 9.2% of growth in hindooland this year consists of just 2.7% of growth in the `primary` sector (i.e. agriculture) on which 2/3rd of its population depends for survival? This will ADD to poverty, not lower it because it doesn`t even cover population growth. For comparison, Pakistan`s growth in this sector has been between 7-9% traditionally over many years (barring crop failures) much surpassing population growth @ 3%. In reduction of poverty alone, Pakistan is doing MUCH better than hindooland.
So while SOME hindoos will laugh all the way to the bank, 2/3rd of them ALL will weep all the way to their `chita`.
In the ultimate analysis of the matter, Hamidm, you just hate Pakistanis, and Arabs, and Islam, and Hindoos, and Mexicans, and Africans, and all other assorted colored folks. You only love the white-skinned goras because they gave you your 3-car garage. Why not honestly admit it and be done with it?
:~)
Quote:..... you are right .... but what pisses me off is that a lot of pakis, including usually brialliant people like ahmedmadani sahib, are influenced by these ranting fools and raving lunatics ............ and what pees me off even more is tha fact that while we wallow in our misery the horrible hindoos are getting on with the job of living and laughing all the way to the bank ............ Unquote.
Hamidm, what will piss you off even more is that what brialliant people like ahmedmadani sahib is saying as well as what your nemesis masadi saheb is saying is exactly ... ditto ... what Mohatir Mohammed says. And this is someone who`s no Mullah and who turned around his small country of 24 million from a lazy ex-colonial plantations backwater to a technological powerhouse of almost $13000/- per capita GDP in 22 years flat.
That`s more than the hindoos can ever dream of achieving in a 100 years. AND, he did it by confronting USA and Britain`s interference. Not only confronting, but abusing them left right & centre. It is the same Mohatir Muhammad who says that the only reason of decline of Muslims is that they abandoned the teachings of Quran.
That`s what I say and so do masadi and ahmedmadani, as well as some other people.
Now, you say the horrible hindoos are getting on with the job of living and laughing all the way to the bank ... who told you that?
Do you count only the horrible hindoos on Chowk as people ... ??? Do you know the projected 9.2% of growth in hindooland this year consists of just 2.7% of growth in the `primary` sector (i.e. agriculture) on which 2/3rd of its population depends for survival? This will ADD to poverty, not lower it because it doesn`t even cover population growth. For comparison, Pakistan`s growth in this sector has been between 7-9% traditionally over many years (barring crop failures) much surpassing population growth @ 3%. In reduction of poverty alone, Pakistan is doing MUCH better than hindooland.
So while SOME hindoos will laugh all the way to the bank, 2/3rd of them ALL will weep all the way to their `chita`.
In the ultimate analysis of the matter, Hamidm, you just hate Pakistanis, and Arabs, and Islam, and Hindoos, and Mexicans, and Africans, and all other assorted colored folks. You only love the white-skinned goras because they gave you your 3-car garage. Why not honestly admit it and be done with it?
:~)
#328 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 8, 2007 11:54:02 pm
Re: # 321
Today I read story from communist india state. They have declared IT as essential services and are providing total protection against strikes. Same way they have offered all concessions to Mr.Tata to build steel factory and noncommunists are opposing it. So how come this situation/ India is strange country and this magic makes tourist come to India is my feeling.
I read your commentary. I understand equity markets is best way to develop capital. It has no preference in sense it rewards the business which is doing better and punishes industries which are not working good or do not produce valuable goods or services. It took me long time almost 6 decades to understand equity markets make allocations of capital according to need and efficiencies . The equity markets are amazing tool for prosperity.
But there is sector which need capital we can not apply criterias applied for business. Like hospitals, elementary schools, transport and subsidies or national airline, cricket team and national steel mill ,are required as welfare, entertainment and working of society. It is possible above can be run by corporations but still subsides are required.
I have problem with Govt subsidising poverty as poverty increases.
Today I read story from communist india state. They have declared IT as essential services and are providing total protection against strikes. Same way they have offered all concessions to Mr.Tata to build steel factory and noncommunists are opposing it. So how come this situation/ India is strange country and this magic makes tourist come to India is my feeling.
I read your commentary. I understand equity markets is best way to develop capital. It has no preference in sense it rewards the business which is doing better and punishes industries which are not working good or do not produce valuable goods or services. It took me long time almost 6 decades to understand equity markets make allocations of capital according to need and efficiencies . The equity markets are amazing tool for prosperity.
But there is sector which need capital we can not apply criterias applied for business. Like hospitals, elementary schools, transport and subsidies or national airline, cricket team and national steel mill ,are required as welfare, entertainment and working of society. It is possible above can be run by corporations but still subsides are required.
I have problem with Govt subsidising poverty as poverty increases.
#327 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 8, 2007 11:22:10 pm
Re: # 317
Thanks MR.HP for supporting my point of view regarding works of M.Asadi.
If I say nobody gives value as I am local person, but your support helps as you have travelled world and have seen people in politics , which is concentrated economics as Mr.Asadi has shown. It is courageuos on you part to support his point of view.
You have good day
Thanks MR.HP for supporting my point of view regarding works of M.Asadi.
If I say nobody gives value as I am local person, but your support helps as you have travelled world and have seen people in politics , which is concentrated economics as Mr.Asadi has shown. It is courageuos on you part to support his point of view.
You have good day
#326 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 8, 2007 11:13:29 pm
Re: # 320
Mr. Mohor11..... Now I am not going to take objection to what you wrote.
The director could have handled situation quite easily saying , we are working on this and Govt of KSA was very horrified and are looking in this matter and matter could have been closed. She did not looked as lady when she tried to justify extreme hatred. She would have been very dignified if she could have said I am just director the policy guide lines are from higher authority and you need to talk to them, we just follow policy. It would have looked quite right also if she would have said I believe in all that stuff. Stupidity and cheating and insincerity is difficult to hide.
I am not religious but agnostic person but do not like show disrespect to any religion as all full strange things. But I like reading things about religion as they have wonderful stories . I do not discuss or comment on religion or religious stuff as in religion heart controls and that symbolism is quite obvious in all religions. When muslim bends his head in worshipping its symbol of not head controlling but heart. When Christian enters church and takes out hat and puts hand on heart , he is signaling I leave my rational mind and heart controls. When hindu bends and makes salute to idol with hands near his heart its signaling of heart over brain. It is good , humanly to to leave these things to faithful and believers. A believer suffers all his life and discussion does not help but he becomes bitter , you can not help him to carry his cross, everybody has to carry his own cross who is religious and he suffers happily. Religion and rationality do not overlap.
As I suggested to Mr. Ranjit you study Pro. Masadi and Mill they you can criticise him if not then should not make many comment.As in real analysis ( algebra) the things are not easy at start and many ideas need time , or in eigen value problems, eigen vectors, idea of tensor are not easy to grasp in few minutes. My experience in higher maths is some times discussion with student you are teaching helps lot. Some times some profound ideas take time to crystalise in your mind. Now M.Asadi ideas are not easy to grasp. It takes time to understand the complex analysis of subjective view of objective world. His ideas are like banana flower, In that flower you take one layer and there still another layer. Same way his ideas have ideas inside and you need to understand those. They are not easy. Some times you have to be investing yourself like you look at diamond. Some times he puts ideas little raw and your mind needs to work on like diamond cutting and polishing to understand ideas. Mr. M.Asadi is left lion of Chowk and he is giving his point of view and should be accorded in that order. He has put his ideas which are combination of idea construction, emotion and spiritual distillation. He has offered to discuss these but do not approach with prejudice but look at as a child with curiosity. Any way these are my suggestion .
You have good day.
Mr. Mohor11..... Now I am not going to take objection to what you wrote.
The director could have handled situation quite easily saying , we are working on this and Govt of KSA was very horrified and are looking in this matter and matter could have been closed. She did not looked as lady when she tried to justify extreme hatred. She would have been very dignified if she could have said I am just director the policy guide lines are from higher authority and you need to talk to them, we just follow policy. It would have looked quite right also if she would have said I believe in all that stuff. Stupidity and cheating and insincerity is difficult to hide.
I am not religious but agnostic person but do not like show disrespect to any religion as all full strange things. But I like reading things about religion as they have wonderful stories . I do not discuss or comment on religion or religious stuff as in religion heart controls and that symbolism is quite obvious in all religions. When muslim bends his head in worshipping its symbol of not head controlling but heart. When Christian enters church and takes out hat and puts hand on heart , he is signaling I leave my rational mind and heart controls. When hindu bends and makes salute to idol with hands near his heart its signaling of heart over brain. It is good , humanly to to leave these things to faithful and believers. A believer suffers all his life and discussion does not help but he becomes bitter , you can not help him to carry his cross, everybody has to carry his own cross who is religious and he suffers happily. Religion and rationality do not overlap.
As I suggested to Mr. Ranjit you study Pro. Masadi and Mill they you can criticise him if not then should not make many comment.As in real analysis ( algebra) the things are not easy at start and many ideas need time , or in eigen value problems, eigen vectors, idea of tensor are not easy to grasp in few minutes. My experience in higher maths is some times discussion with student you are teaching helps lot. Some times some profound ideas take time to crystalise in your mind. Now M.Asadi ideas are not easy to grasp. It takes time to understand the complex analysis of subjective view of objective world. His ideas are like banana flower, In that flower you take one layer and there still another layer. Same way his ideas have ideas inside and you need to understand those. They are not easy. Some times you have to be investing yourself like you look at diamond. Some times he puts ideas little raw and your mind needs to work on like diamond cutting and polishing to understand ideas. Mr. M.Asadi is left lion of Chowk and he is giving his point of view and should be accorded in that order. He has put his ideas which are combination of idea construction, emotion and spiritual distillation. He has offered to discuss these but do not approach with prejudice but look at as a child with curiosity. Any way these are my suggestion .
You have good day.
#325 Posted by masadi on February 8, 2007 10:57:34 pm
hamid writes <<< i am a very simple minded person >>>
Not really, you are deceptive in the broader sense and in the narrower sense quite idiotic and dishonest. You know very well how communities in the same period you mention have been decimated/destroyed due to relocation of manufacturing jobs all over. The numbers and ranks of the poor have been growing still concentrated among race and gender, most have no net worth leave alone a house and the disparity of wealth and income is at an all time high. How does this mesh with your snowmobile wheeling working class? You know the facts and you know the truth, yet all you look at is bs and window dressing. Are you really that dumb or do you think we are dumb or maybe you have a combination of both which might explain why you quote George Bush so much...
Not really, you are deceptive in the broader sense and in the narrower sense quite idiotic and dishonest. You know very well how communities in the same period you mention have been decimated/destroyed due to relocation of manufacturing jobs all over. The numbers and ranks of the poor have been growing still concentrated among race and gender, most have no net worth leave alone a house and the disparity of wealth and income is at an all time high. How does this mesh with your snowmobile wheeling working class? You know the facts and you know the truth, yet all you look at is bs and window dressing. Are you really that dumb or do you think we are dumb or maybe you have a combination of both which might explain why you quote George Bush so much...
#324 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 8, 2007 10:28:30 pm
Re: # 321
Mr. Ranjit ... I was very happy for you explained me about things about IIT ans your other pertinent commentary. It is pleasure to interact with you. I have reverence and respect for people who study and lead good life. I have many questions about IIT but this is not proper place when we are discussing about essay by mr.M.Asadi.
It came to mind ( I am not sindhi) some times decisions made by leaders without great maturity come to haunt the community. GM was at forefront of Pakistan and passed resolution in Sindh legislature for it. When Sindhis departed from Pakistan Sindhi as a community was decapicatedn as mosteducated elites left for India.. Majority left sindhis were quite unsofesticated to withstand onslaught of Urdus and they were displaced and regression set in which is still continueing. GM regreted decision throughout life and repented. Sindhis have no value and all major cities have collapsed. Sindhis have become basically disadvantaged slight minority inhabiting rural part which is stark poor as other than indus it is a desert. This has poisoned relationship with Punjabis and as a reflex action they blame punjabis. Once I went to Thatta and was watching a poor Sindhi fisherman working on net. He said to me you Punjabis have made us poor and misery and he blamed all on Punjabis. He said you have taken our jobs. Then I asked him what you do, he said he catches fish. I never caught fish neither my father or forefathers I work in hotel management. I said when you can do my job I will depart. Over years I always felt very sad I answered that way as he was helpless man crying and insulted him. I feel still very sad about. I have great respect for Sindhi people for they are more cultured and do not use abuses as part of language like Punjabis and good natured people. In given pathetic conditions they love their land and language, they are still trying to stick to that. Some times you come visit fellow Sindhis they will feel better and feel inspiration to see Sindhi man doing so well in such tough and difficult place like. (intel vice CFO is sindhi person).
Have good day.
Mr. Ranjit ... I was very happy for you explained me about things about IIT ans your other pertinent commentary. It is pleasure to interact with you. I have reverence and respect for people who study and lead good life. I have many questions about IIT but this is not proper place when we are discussing about essay by mr.M.Asadi.
It came to mind ( I am not sindhi) some times decisions made by leaders without great maturity come to haunt the community. GM was at forefront of Pakistan and passed resolution in Sindh legislature for it. When Sindhis departed from Pakistan Sindhi as a community was decapicatedn as mosteducated elites left for India.. Majority left sindhis were quite unsofesticated to withstand onslaught of Urdus and they were displaced and regression set in which is still continueing. GM regreted decision throughout life and repented. Sindhis have no value and all major cities have collapsed. Sindhis have become basically disadvantaged slight minority inhabiting rural part which is stark poor as other than indus it is a desert. This has poisoned relationship with Punjabis and as a reflex action they blame punjabis. Once I went to Thatta and was watching a poor Sindhi fisherman working on net. He said to me you Punjabis have made us poor and misery and he blamed all on Punjabis. He said you have taken our jobs. Then I asked him what you do, he said he catches fish. I never caught fish neither my father or forefathers I work in hotel management. I said when you can do my job I will depart. Over years I always felt very sad I answered that way as he was helpless man crying and insulted him. I feel still very sad about. I have great respect for Sindhi people for they are more cultured and do not use abuses as part of language like Punjabis and good natured people. In given pathetic conditions they love their land and language, they are still trying to stick to that. Some times you come visit fellow Sindhis they will feel better and feel inspiration to see Sindhi man doing so well in such tough and difficult place like. (intel vice CFO is sindhi person).
Have good day.
#323 Posted by masadi on February 8, 2007 10:04:37 pm
HP mian thanks for the support, these damn fools (the likes of Hamid) are moved more by hatred of freedom, freedom to think and construct ones own society. They want to blindly follow the world generated in the most part by the Corporate Garrison State (aka USA) and its elite, which will ensure their enslavement and the misery of the vast majority of humankind. Their dimwitted, and cheap tactics for discrediting any and every research that goes against the main drift is labelling in the McCarthy fashion. Their buzz words are mullah, jihad and so forth.
They know that the mullah is more accomodative of them and their imperialistic friends than they are of me and ideas like mine. The mullah has constructed his entire religion and worldview in the image presented to him by the western elite. Even in worshipping God in the perverted way that he does, the mullah is not free, he is the slave of the West. Busy with defining his religion over issues of ``morality`` and specifically sexual morality, he has borrowed this outlook completely alien to Islam from the dark ages of Christianity, upon whose caricature the Western elite have molded their images of Islam. The mullah has further confused the ``means`` used by this elite, i.e. reducing everything to the least common denominator, for control, the so-called hedonism, as if they were ends by themselves of western society. Thereby he misses the big picture that goes much beyond his narrow view and provides misguided fodder for a `cat and mouse` game in which the immorality of both sides, the Western elite and the mullah are second to none....
They know that the mullah is more accomodative of them and their imperialistic friends than they are of me and ideas like mine. The mullah has constructed his entire religion and worldview in the image presented to him by the western elite. Even in worshipping God in the perverted way that he does, the mullah is not free, he is the slave of the West. Busy with defining his religion over issues of ``morality`` and specifically sexual morality, he has borrowed this outlook completely alien to Islam from the dark ages of Christianity, upon whose caricature the Western elite have molded their images of Islam. The mullah has further confused the ``means`` used by this elite, i.e. reducing everything to the least common denominator, for control, the so-called hedonism, as if they were ends by themselves of western society. Thereby he misses the big picture that goes much beyond his narrow view and provides misguided fodder for a `cat and mouse` game in which the immorality of both sides, the Western elite and the mullah are second to none....
#322 Posted by masadi on February 8, 2007 9:50:19 pm
For the genius who asked for a link to the Population reference bureau`s World population data sheet, use your favourite search tool and type in ``world population data sheet 2006``,
and when you get the pdf file check the number of people in India that live on less than $2 a day
and when you get the pdf file check the number of people in India that live on less than $2 a day
#321 Posted by Ranjit on February 8, 2007 7:23:46 pm
Masadi,
Check this link out -
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Govt_revives_selloff_Left_cries_foul_again/articleshow/1581099.cms
Look at how the Indian government timidly tries to divest its holdings in huge, money wasting, inefficient public sector companies, but our leftist/socialist elites reflexively oppose any structural economic reforms. In this case it is the Rural Electirification Corporation and the National Hydroelectric Power Corporation. There have been many such examples before. It is likely that these are typical sarkari public sector organizations which are highly overstaffed, probably produce marginal output, enjoy monopolistic status with life long job security for the employees. The people in the villages and towns do not get the electricity and stay in dark, thus choking actual economic progress or improvement in standard of living, while the leftists savor their ideological victory.
The government of Manmohan Singh wants to sell a minority stake in such companies and raise funds for rural development, while pressuring these organizations to be accountable and perform. So it is a double whammy as we are stuck with inefficient companies and there is no rural development either.
This is what I mean when I say that our local elites are our worst enemies. Their own narrow interest runs orthogonal to the national interest or they are just plain incompetent. Is the US forcing India`s elites to behave in this stupid manner? Nope. We behave like idiots and then wonder why the country is still poor and undeveloped.
Check this link out -
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Govt_revives_selloff_Left_cries_foul_again/articleshow/1581099.cms
Look at how the Indian government timidly tries to divest its holdings in huge, money wasting, inefficient public sector companies, but our leftist/socialist elites reflexively oppose any structural economic reforms. In this case it is the Rural Electirification Corporation and the National Hydroelectric Power Corporation. There have been many such examples before. It is likely that these are typical sarkari public sector organizations which are highly overstaffed, probably produce marginal output, enjoy monopolistic status with life long job security for the employees. The people in the villages and towns do not get the electricity and stay in dark, thus choking actual economic progress or improvement in standard of living, while the leftists savor their ideological victory.
The government of Manmohan Singh wants to sell a minority stake in such companies and raise funds for rural development, while pressuring these organizations to be accountable and perform. So it is a double whammy as we are stuck with inefficient companies and there is no rural development either.
This is what I mean when I say that our local elites are our worst enemies. Their own narrow interest runs orthogonal to the national interest or they are just plain incompetent. Is the US forcing India`s elites to behave in this stupid manner? Nope. We behave like idiots and then wonder why the country is still poor and undeveloped.
#320 Posted by mohar11 on February 8, 2007 4:44:48 pm
Mad-ani
That lady deserved the spanking she got on live television... if the educated people like her [ and you ] are not going to stand up and denounce the big0try that`s being practiced openly in name of religion, then who will?... she should have come clean - denounced the text books and resigned from her position right away...
But instead she hemmed and hawed, offered stupid excuses and made a complete fool of herself in full public view. It was clear that she believes in the fascism printed in those books...[ most muslims do] ... that`s why she didn`t denounce it...
that`s why you too are offering excuses - because deep down, you believe in the 7th century garbage that you guys have been re-gurgitating with your a$$es in the air and your heads in the sand, five times a day, each day for last 1400 years...
:)
That lady deserved the spanking she got on live television... if the educated people like her [ and you ] are not going to stand up and denounce the big0try that`s being practiced openly in name of religion, then who will?... she should have come clean - denounced the text books and resigned from her position right away...
But instead she hemmed and hawed, offered stupid excuses and made a complete fool of herself in full public view. It was clear that she believes in the fascism printed in those books...[ most muslims do] ... that`s why she didn`t denounce it...
that`s why you too are offering excuses - because deep down, you believe in the 7th century garbage that you guys have been re-gurgitating with your a$$es in the air and your heads in the sand, five times a day, each day for last 1400 years...
:)
#319 Posted by mohar11 on February 8, 2007 4:28:52 pm
Re: # 317 Islamabad Bob
[...Given my political contacts then and now, I feel I could have possibly made a small, a tiny difference...]
But instead, you turned yourself into the ranting and raving Islamabad Bob... what a waste :)
[...Given my political contacts then and now, I feel I could have possibly made a small, a tiny difference...]
But instead, you turned yourself into the ranting and raving Islamabad Bob... what a waste :)
#318 Posted by iron_mask on February 8, 2007 3:28:23 pm
Re: # 317 just as I thought all hope was lost, along comes HP and I thought now all is really lost.....but....
For once HP sauce makes some sense and talk some sense....thank you for your gracious condescension.
Masadi is a guy who is starting at -40 years...and will take a long time to do what you suggest....just a personal opinion....
For once HP sauce makes some sense and talk some sense....thank you for your gracious condescension.
Masadi is a guy who is starting at -40 years...and will take a long time to do what you suggest....just a personal opinion....
#317 Posted by HP on February 8, 2007 12:04:43 pm
Hamid-
Generally, I agree with Hamidm and understand where he is coming from. We need to confront the mullah and his sponsored backwardness at every step of the way and embrace modern thoughts and sciences right away. If we see someone attempting to resurrect the 7th century system or even the thoughts, and attempting to place that as Pakistan’s national policy, we need to counter that immediately. Obviously, we can’t do it in Pakistan and due to our own peculiar circumstances, we cannot influence pak intellectual scene in a big way. However, knowing what we know, and given our situation, if we can just communicate our opposition to mullah and mullahism on this forum or any other forum, we should do that. I see that Hamid in his intellectually honest way confronts every thing where he smells badboo of mullah and his ideology.
However, I think he is makes a mistake about Masadi. Asadi is a social scientist and is influenced by religion in his personal life. There is nothing wrong in being a follower of a religion. It is a personal matter. We need to see what he is advocating. He is not promoting mullahism. At this stage in his intellectual pursuit and inquiry, he sees the problems and in his own way identifies the source of the problem. He may or may not be right on all counts but at least he has the intellectual honesty to express what he thinks is wrong and we should respect that. At some point in time, he will also figure out what is right and what is the right mix for resolving problems.
Asadi is amitabh of the old days, an angry young man who would grow in stature as he continues to study human nature and several solutions for the miseries that are out there.
In fact, I wish I was Asadi type angry when I was younger. Given my political contacts then and now, I feel I could have possibly made a small, a tiny difference. That was not to be and here we are regretting what we missed. I hope asadi makes an impact and he will if he continues to show the emotions and the anger that he shows now. Good luck to him…I hope hamid too would respect him for that.
Generally, I agree with Hamidm and understand where he is coming from. We need to confront the mullah and his sponsored backwardness at every step of the way and embrace modern thoughts and sciences right away. If we see someone attempting to resurrect the 7th century system or even the thoughts, and attempting to place that as Pakistan’s national policy, we need to counter that immediately. Obviously, we can’t do it in Pakistan and due to our own peculiar circumstances, we cannot influence pak intellectual scene in a big way. However, knowing what we know, and given our situation, if we can just communicate our opposition to mullah and mullahism on this forum or any other forum, we should do that. I see that Hamid in his intellectually honest way confronts every thing where he smells badboo of mullah and his ideology.
However, I think he is makes a mistake about Masadi. Asadi is a social scientist and is influenced by religion in his personal life. There is nothing wrong in being a follower of a religion. It is a personal matter. We need to see what he is advocating. He is not promoting mullahism. At this stage in his intellectual pursuit and inquiry, he sees the problems and in his own way identifies the source of the problem. He may or may not be right on all counts but at least he has the intellectual honesty to express what he thinks is wrong and we should respect that. At some point in time, he will also figure out what is right and what is the right mix for resolving problems.
Asadi is amitabh of the old days, an angry young man who would grow in stature as he continues to study human nature and several solutions for the miseries that are out there.
In fact, I wish I was Asadi type angry when I was younger. Given my political contacts then and now, I feel I could have possibly made a small, a tiny difference. That was not to be and here we are regretting what we missed. I hope asadi makes an impact and he will if he continues to show the emotions and the anger that he shows now. Good luck to him…I hope hamid too would respect him for that.
#316 Posted by arjun2 on February 8, 2007 11:51:14 am
#315 by bulleya on February 8, 2007 11:12am PT
more explosions take place in india than in pakistan
And yet the US doesn`t have a travel advisory against travel to India, like it does for Pakiland
And yet MNCs by the truckload are flocking to India..
And yet India isn`t a no-family posting, like Pakiland is...
captain clueless...you`ve mistaking your own self-serving logic and self-delusion with reality...again...
more explosions take place in india than in pakistan
And yet the US doesn`t have a travel advisory against travel to India, like it does for Pakiland
And yet MNCs by the truckload are flocking to India..
And yet India isn`t a no-family posting, like Pakiland is...
captain clueless...you`ve mistaking your own self-serving logic and self-delusion with reality...again...
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