Huntington's Clash of Civilizations Thesis
M Asadi February 2, 2007
#283 Posted by philosopher on February 7, 2007 7:08:26 pm
The future belongs to Islam
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#282 Posted by arjun2 on February 7, 2007 12:37:29 pm
Masadi: Stop getting info from the PIOMA koran
Facts about the Census Bureau
If the census bureau is collecting data about poverty in India and Pakiland, it`s in violation of it`s title..
India`s 06-07 GDP growth at 9.2%
India`s gross domestic product (GDP) growth during 2006-07 is estimated at 9.2 per cent as compared to 9 per cent during the previous year, advanced estimates of national income released by the Central Statistical Organisation say.
Facts about the Census Bureau
Our Mission - The Census Bureau serves as the leading source of quality data about the nation`s people and economy. We honor privacy, protect confidentiality, share our expertise globally, and conduct our work openly. We are guided on this mission by our strong and capable workforce, our readiness to innovate, and our abiding commitment to our customers.
If the census bureau is collecting data about poverty in India and Pakiland, it`s in violation of it`s title..
India`s 06-07 GDP growth at 9.2%
India`s gross domestic product (GDP) growth during 2006-07 is estimated at 9.2 per cent as compared to 9 per cent during the previous year, advanced estimates of national income released by the Central Statistical Organisation say.
#281 Posted by arjun2 on February 7, 2007 12:32:19 pm
#272 by masadi on February 7, 2007 3:14am PT
This is quite amusing. According to the US census bureau`s 2006 world population data sheet
The US census bureau is collecting world population data? That`s, well..., amusing...
This is quite amusing. According to the US census bureau`s 2006 world population data sheet
The US census bureau is collecting world population data? That`s, well..., amusing...
#279 Posted by loksevak on February 7, 2007 9:14:14 am
Re: # 277
>While India was indeed invaded by barbarians and brigands from the West and North, these conquerors were not ALL Muslims. Some of them were Greek and before that many of them were the forebearers of what you call Hinduism.
<
First there is no proof. This Aryan biz is a big lie of colonist. There is no reference to rivers, geography, flora fauna of North or West of India (which included present Afghanistan) in Vedas or any other scriptures, myths or books.
>So, the Dharma itself may have roots outside Bharat Mata.
<
How did you come to that conclusion? Why there is so much difference between Abrahmic and Indian religions? It seems you might have read in some Pakistani or Mcaulay books.
But a thinking person should be able to shred this lie easily. I distinguish thinking
from calculative and instrumental reasoning—from deduction, by which we relate principles
to particulars that come under those principles, and from induction, by which we abstract from particulars to create generalizations that subsume them. I also differentiate it from rational deliberation, in which people following the same basic rules of reasoning try to reach agreement by eliminating unsound arguments. Thinking from all these uses of cognitive capacities that follow prescribed rules and conventions which, if used well with who have assented (or been submitted) to the same rules and/or conventions, can coercively prove a conclusion to be correct. The prescribed rules in Abrahmic religious upbringing leads to at the most to rational deliberation. But consciousness raising ``thinking`` is rare happening. That is why you get Nazi or Islamic echo chamber. ``Thinking`` is frustrating to those who seek absolutes.
>Once again I reiterate that history must not be used to promote current fascist agendas.
<
What is fascist? Seems you deliberated on what is the use of history, fascist agendas in your Islamic echo chamber. In this echo chamber the rules of deliberations and limits were set in 7th century Arabian banias.
>While India was indeed invaded by barbarians and brigands from the West and North, these conquerors were not ALL Muslims. Some of them were Greek and before that many of them were the forebearers of what you call Hinduism.
<
First there is no proof. This Aryan biz is a big lie of colonist. There is no reference to rivers, geography, flora fauna of North or West of India (which included present Afghanistan) in Vedas or any other scriptures, myths or books.
>So, the Dharma itself may have roots outside Bharat Mata.
<
How did you come to that conclusion? Why there is so much difference between Abrahmic and Indian religions? It seems you might have read in some Pakistani or Mcaulay books.
But a thinking person should be able to shred this lie easily. I distinguish thinking
from calculative and instrumental reasoning—from deduction, by which we relate principles
to particulars that come under those principles, and from induction, by which we abstract from particulars to create generalizations that subsume them. I also differentiate it from rational deliberation, in which people following the same basic rules of reasoning try to reach agreement by eliminating unsound arguments. Thinking from all these uses of cognitive capacities that follow prescribed rules and conventions which, if used well with who have assented (or been submitted) to the same rules and/or conventions, can coercively prove a conclusion to be correct. The prescribed rules in Abrahmic religious upbringing leads to at the most to rational deliberation. But consciousness raising ``thinking`` is rare happening. That is why you get Nazi or Islamic echo chamber. ``Thinking`` is frustrating to those who seek absolutes.
>Once again I reiterate that history must not be used to promote current fascist agendas.
<
What is fascist? Seems you deliberated on what is the use of history, fascist agendas in your Islamic echo chamber. In this echo chamber the rules of deliberations and limits were set in 7th century Arabian banias.
#278 Posted by SR on February 7, 2007 7:36:22 am
Re: # 273 masadi {``...Somebody else`s take on Huntington...``}
He is not alone by any means. There is a fervent ongoing blog campaign amongst combative conservative circles. Following is an apt example...
What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 2007
Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States Congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his ceremonial swearing-in. Capitol Hill staff said Ellison`s swearing-in photo opportunity drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S. House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota.
The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of America`s founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson books archived in the library.
Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in college, said he chose to use Jefferson`s Quran because it showed that ``a visionary like Jefferson`` believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources.
There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom could be ``gleaned`` from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic ``Barbary`` states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.
Ellison`s use of Jefferson`s Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic ``Barbary`` states.
Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves. The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the ``non-Muslim`` older men and women as possible so the preferred ``booty`` of only young women and children could be collected.
Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their
fortunes allow.
Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created ``eunuch stations`` along major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.
When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the ``Dey of Algiers``--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.
Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States.
Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations. Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors. Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again.
Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled ``through the medium of war.`` He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.
In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the ``Dey of Algiers`` Ambassador to Britain. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress` vote to appease.
During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey`s ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam ``was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.``
For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20-percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Not long after Jefferson`s inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Declaring that America was going to spend ``millions for defense but not one cent for tribute,`` Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America`s best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast. The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.
In 1805, American Marines marched across the desert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves. During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.
Jefferson`s victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, ``From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country`s battles on the land as on the sea.``
It wasn`t until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates. Jefferson had been right. The ``medium of war`` was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a ``visionary`` wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.
He is not alone by any means. There is a fervent ongoing blog campaign amongst combative conservative circles. Following is an apt example...
What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 2007
Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States Congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his ceremonial swearing-in. Capitol Hill staff said Ellison`s swearing-in photo opportunity drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S. House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota.
The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of America`s founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson books archived in the library.
Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in college, said he chose to use Jefferson`s Quran because it showed that ``a visionary like Jefferson`` believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources.
There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom could be ``gleaned`` from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic ``Barbary`` states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.
Ellison`s use of Jefferson`s Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic ``Barbary`` states.
Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves. The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the ``non-Muslim`` older men and women as possible so the preferred ``booty`` of only young women and children could be collected.
Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their
fortunes allow.
Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created ``eunuch stations`` along major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.
When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the ``Dey of Algiers``--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.
Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States.
Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations. Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors. Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again.
Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled ``through the medium of war.`` He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.
In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the ``Dey of Algiers`` Ambassador to Britain. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress` vote to appease.
During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey`s ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam ``was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.``
For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20-percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Not long after Jefferson`s inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Declaring that America was going to spend ``millions for defense but not one cent for tribute,`` Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America`s best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast. The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.
In 1805, American Marines marched across the desert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves. During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.
Jefferson`s victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, ``From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country`s battles on the land as on the sea.``
It wasn`t until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates. Jefferson had been right. The ``medium of war`` was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a ``visionary`` wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.
#277 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on February 7, 2007 7:26:57 am
#262 {``Did I spell it right? Recently I met one Chouhan who wanted to distinguish himself from local Chavan. It was amusing that he was in search of some historical roots to be close to the rising super power. He was saying his last name was Chou-Han like Chou-In-Lie.``}
Loksevak,
You do have a slanted view of Indian history. :) First of all, I have no aspiration to be connected to Chour En-Lai or Chou My Dong or even the Won Ton lady. If you could be generous enough to associate my pedigree with Prithviraj I would be most grateful.
While India was indeed invaded by barbarians and brigands from the West and North, these conquerors were not ALL Muslims. Some of them were Greek and before that many of them were the forebearers of what you call Hinduism. So, the Dharma itself may have roots outside Bharat Mata.
Once again I reiterate that history must not be used to promote current fascist agendas. The Nazis tried it and failed ridiculously. Sadman Houston tried it and choked up on the results. The late Shah of Eye Ran tried to mimic Cyrus and found himself in Panama, US, and even in the Land of the Pharoahs. Lately, some kooks in Israel want to restore the Kingdom of Solomon and people will tell them that it`s not wise. Even the Muslims who want to return to the 7th Century will find themselves with their heads buried in the sands of Arabia.
Loksevak,
You do have a slanted view of Indian history. :) First of all, I have no aspiration to be connected to Chour En-Lai or Chou My Dong or even the Won Ton lady. If you could be generous enough to associate my pedigree with Prithviraj I would be most grateful.
While India was indeed invaded by barbarians and brigands from the West and North, these conquerors were not ALL Muslims. Some of them were Greek and before that many of them were the forebearers of what you call Hinduism. So, the Dharma itself may have roots outside Bharat Mata.
Once again I reiterate that history must not be used to promote current fascist agendas. The Nazis tried it and failed ridiculously. Sadman Houston tried it and choked up on the results. The late Shah of Eye Ran tried to mimic Cyrus and found himself in Panama, US, and even in the Land of the Pharoahs. Lately, some kooks in Israel want to restore the Kingdom of Solomon and people will tell them that it`s not wise. Even the Muslims who want to return to the 7th Century will find themselves with their heads buried in the sands of Arabia.
#276 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on February 7, 2007 7:18:11 am
#248 nila {``Dear kid, How old are you??!! ``}
15 - so watch it.
15 - so watch it.
#275 Posted by Ranjit on February 7, 2007 7:08:44 am
Re:masadi
[..This is quite amusing. According to the US census bureau`s 2006 world population data sheet, over 80% of Indians are living on less than $2 a day, compared to 74% of Pakistanis....]
Abey bewakoof, you need to look at the rate of change rather than the absolute amount of poverty. Of course, in absolute terms, India and Pakistan are poor countries. I myself called them hell holes a few posts back. The responsiblity for that lies on our own domestic elites who are either dogmatic, corrupt or incompetent in the administration of their countries. In the sectors that the government has opened up, Indians have kicked a$$ and competed strongly at an international level. It is not just call centers you idiot, it is way up the value chain now including R&D and advanced manufacturing. If the government deregulates more, just watch what will happen to India. You need to open your eyes and get some knowledge for a change. Arent muslims supposed to pursue knowledge rather than dogma?
[..at the end of the day they still consider you a ``nigger`` and their peon...]
Spoken like a true loser. What an inferiority complex!! You couldnt make it in America so you think everyone is racist. Sorry to disappoint you but I have had excellent experiences with goras. I get a lot of respect from them both at a professional and personal level. I have an excellent, financially rewarding career and am quite happy in America. Even at a personal level, I have a lot of american friends and have dated americans in the past. Everyone is not like you, sitting by yourself for 15 years in the US and stewing in your own frustration, not mixing with anyone or trying to succeed. Of course you failed. So now go jump in a well.
[..This is quite amusing. According to the US census bureau`s 2006 world population data sheet, over 80% of Indians are living on less than $2 a day, compared to 74% of Pakistanis....]
Abey bewakoof, you need to look at the rate of change rather than the absolute amount of poverty. Of course, in absolute terms, India and Pakistan are poor countries. I myself called them hell holes a few posts back. The responsiblity for that lies on our own domestic elites who are either dogmatic, corrupt or incompetent in the administration of their countries. In the sectors that the government has opened up, Indians have kicked a$$ and competed strongly at an international level. It is not just call centers you idiot, it is way up the value chain now including R&D and advanced manufacturing. If the government deregulates more, just watch what will happen to India. You need to open your eyes and get some knowledge for a change. Arent muslims supposed to pursue knowledge rather than dogma?
[..at the end of the day they still consider you a ``nigger`` and their peon...]
Spoken like a true loser. What an inferiority complex!! You couldnt make it in America so you think everyone is racist. Sorry to disappoint you but I have had excellent experiences with goras. I get a lot of respect from them both at a professional and personal level. I have an excellent, financially rewarding career and am quite happy in America. Even at a personal level, I have a lot of american friends and have dated americans in the past. Everyone is not like you, sitting by yourself for 15 years in the US and stewing in your own frustration, not mixing with anyone or trying to succeed. Of course you failed. So now go jump in a well.
#274 Posted by chaltahai on February 7, 2007 6:57:43 am
Re: # 260: 80% of americans means 80% of american population. You know little, you learn less and bloviate more..What is wrong with you? Seriously!
Elites are good BTW...because not all men are created equal..you are carping about whether the opportunities are equal..which, more an more are becoming equal under the US led global political and economic thrust.
Elites are good BTW...because not all men are created equal..you are carping about whether the opportunities are equal..which, more an more are becoming equal under the US led global political and economic thrust.
#273 Posted by masadi on February 7, 2007 3:39:42 am
Somebody else`s take on Huntington:
BOOK REVIEW
What Do You Mean, `We`?
by Anton Chaitkin
Who Are We?—The Challenges to America`s National Identity
by Samuel P. Huntington
New York: Simon & Schuster, 2004
428 pages, Hardbound, $27.00
The latest book from Samuel Huntington attempts to open a new front in the fear-driven perpetual-war scenario of Vice President Dick Cheney, Attorney General John Ashcroft and their faction. The author acknowledges that the Smith Richardson Foundation and other far-right funding sources have paid to produce this book, the same sources which back the Cheneyites, and sponsor Huntington`s Harvard University professorship.
Huntington`s 1996 The Clash of Civilizations sought to derange the public mind to accept war between the West and Islam as inevitable. With this sequel, Who Are We?, he promotes a ``white nativist movement,`` to be herded with panic and hatred against the proposed new enemy image: Hispanics, particularly Mexican immigrants.
Doubting that the spectre of Osama bin Laden—``if we do not experience renewed attacks``—will keep Americans in line behind the Cheney agenda, Huntington announces that a supposed ``Anglo-Protestant culture`` is the country`s historic national identity. This wholly concocted identity is then said to be mortally threatened by Catholic Mexican hordes coming across the border. Here is the geometry for a new theater of the Cheney-Rumsfeld war, throughout the Western Hemisphere.
The title asks, ``Who Are We?`` The author presents the viewpoint of the Tory enemies of the American Revolution, the Anglophile-``blueblood`` plantation slaveowners, Boston Brahmins and Wall Street bankers—Huntington`s own British imperial faction—and calls this America`s national identity!
The book`s argument for this travesty has so many obvious fabrications, and such shallow and tortured misuses of historical material, that the most notable feature of its publication is the polite, if ``critical,`` response from the political and academic mucketymucks.
This book must be viewed in the sequence of Huntington`s pro-fascist productions, from his 1957 The Soldier and the State, which complained that the World War II aim of victory over Axis Germany and Japan hindered the anti-Russian ``balance-of-power`` objective; to the 1970s Trilateral Commission study, ``The Crisis of Democracy,`` where he demanded Hitler-Schacht austerity instead of the Constitutional republic (``A government ... committed to substantial domestic programs will have little ability, short of cataclysmic crisis, to impose on its people the sacrifices which may be necessary to deal with foreign policy problems and defense... We have come to recognize that there are potentially desirable limits to economic growth. There are also potentially desirable limits to the indefinite extension of political democracy``); to his later racist provocations against Muslims, and now Hispanics....
BOOK REVIEW
What Do You Mean, `We`?
by Anton Chaitkin
Who Are We?—The Challenges to America`s National Identity
by Samuel P. Huntington
New York: Simon & Schuster, 2004
428 pages, Hardbound, $27.00
The latest book from Samuel Huntington attempts to open a new front in the fear-driven perpetual-war scenario of Vice President Dick Cheney, Attorney General John Ashcroft and their faction. The author acknowledges that the Smith Richardson Foundation and other far-right funding sources have paid to produce this book, the same sources which back the Cheneyites, and sponsor Huntington`s Harvard University professorship.
Huntington`s 1996 The Clash of Civilizations sought to derange the public mind to accept war between the West and Islam as inevitable. With this sequel, Who Are We?, he promotes a ``white nativist movement,`` to be herded with panic and hatred against the proposed new enemy image: Hispanics, particularly Mexican immigrants.
Doubting that the spectre of Osama bin Laden—``if we do not experience renewed attacks``—will keep Americans in line behind the Cheney agenda, Huntington announces that a supposed ``Anglo-Protestant culture`` is the country`s historic national identity. This wholly concocted identity is then said to be mortally threatened by Catholic Mexican hordes coming across the border. Here is the geometry for a new theater of the Cheney-Rumsfeld war, throughout the Western Hemisphere.
The title asks, ``Who Are We?`` The author presents the viewpoint of the Tory enemies of the American Revolution, the Anglophile-``blueblood`` plantation slaveowners, Boston Brahmins and Wall Street bankers—Huntington`s own British imperial faction—and calls this America`s national identity!
The book`s argument for this travesty has so many obvious fabrications, and such shallow and tortured misuses of historical material, that the most notable feature of its publication is the polite, if ``critical,`` response from the political and academic mucketymucks.
This book must be viewed in the sequence of Huntington`s pro-fascist productions, from his 1957 The Soldier and the State, which complained that the World War II aim of victory over Axis Germany and Japan hindered the anti-Russian ``balance-of-power`` objective; to the 1970s Trilateral Commission study, ``The Crisis of Democracy,`` where he demanded Hitler-Schacht austerity instead of the Constitutional republic (``A government ... committed to substantial domestic programs will have little ability, short of cataclysmic crisis, to impose on its people the sacrifices which may be necessary to deal with foreign policy problems and defense... We have come to recognize that there are potentially desirable limits to economic growth. There are also potentially desirable limits to the indefinite extension of political democracy``); to his later racist provocations against Muslims, and now Hispanics....
#272 Posted by masadi on February 7, 2007 3:14:02 am
Ranjit writes <<< We hindus are doing great both in India and in the US. Unlike Pakistanis who are in awe of the white skin and will fall at their feet, we hindus are competing head on with the goras and doing just fine...>>
This is quite amusing. According to the US census bureau`s 2006 world population data sheet, over 80% of Indians are living on less than $2 a day, compared to 74% of Pakistanis. Indians are falling head over heels trying to kiss the feet of their white masters as they beg for call center jobs, in the guise of being ``democratic`` when its people are going to hell. Just because you have employees that are white proves nothing, your country is just as enslaved under the domination of their elite as any other and because of that projection when they go home at the end of the day they still consider you a ``nigger`` and their peon. Very few among them have the knowledge to rise above this superior inferior notion that is ingrained due to historical and structural reasons in their psyche, very few, the Bogardus social distance scale was developed with their standards wasn`t it, standards of diminshing hypocrisy....
This is quite amusing. According to the US census bureau`s 2006 world population data sheet, over 80% of Indians are living on less than $2 a day, compared to 74% of Pakistanis. Indians are falling head over heels trying to kiss the feet of their white masters as they beg for call center jobs, in the guise of being ``democratic`` when its people are going to hell. Just because you have employees that are white proves nothing, your country is just as enslaved under the domination of their elite as any other and because of that projection when they go home at the end of the day they still consider you a ``nigger`` and their peon. Very few among them have the knowledge to rise above this superior inferior notion that is ingrained due to historical and structural reasons in their psyche, very few, the Bogardus social distance scale was developed with their standards wasn`t it, standards of diminshing hypocrisy....
#271 Posted by Ranjit on February 7, 2007 2:30:10 am
Re:zeemax#264
[..I don`t see why hindoos keep yapping about mittal...]
Its because Mittal is a super successful Indian, especially since that idiot masadi was barking about Indians being just peons and whores as part of his low IQ rants and raves.
[..I don`t see why hindoos keep yapping about mittal...]
Its because Mittal is a super successful Indian, especially since that idiot masadi was barking about Indians being just peons and whores as part of his low IQ rants and raves.
#270 Posted by Ranjit on February 7, 2007 2:22:39 am
Re:ahmedmadani#261
[...Now my brain is not working any way let me continue. ...]
That is the only sentence in your long posts which made any sense. Uncleji, you have no idea what global economy or IIT or anythine else means since you have never stepped outside Pakistan. So be happy and take care of your daughters.
We hindus are doing great both in India and in the US. Unlike Pakistanis who are in awe of the white skin and will fall at their feet, we hindus are competing head on with the goras and doing just fine. In my company, I have many goras/goris working for me. Believe me, it is no big deal to be their boss, something that Pakistanis will never understand. They are just people like you and me.
[...Now my brain is not working any way let me continue. ...]
That is the only sentence in your long posts which made any sense. Uncleji, you have no idea what global economy or IIT or anythine else means since you have never stepped outside Pakistan. So be happy and take care of your daughters.
We hindus are doing great both in India and in the US. Unlike Pakistanis who are in awe of the white skin and will fall at their feet, we hindus are competing head on with the goras and doing just fine. In my company, I have many goras/goris working for me. Believe me, it is no big deal to be their boss, something that Pakistanis will never understand. They are just people like you and me.
#269 Posted by conquistador on February 7, 2007 1:26:52 am
#268 by zeemax
I guess Soros loves Hungary too, but what has he done for Hungary?
These days, when the mere propsect of a green card makes people forget their roots, to choose remain Indian and be proud of the fact is saying something.
And AFAIK, Soros doesn`t talk too much about his Hungarian roots.
I guess Soros loves Hungary too, but what has he done for Hungary?
These days, when the mere propsect of a green card makes people forget their roots, to choose remain Indian and be proud of the fact is saying something.
And AFAIK, Soros doesn`t talk too much about his Hungarian roots.
#268 Posted by zeemax on February 7, 2007 1:13:17 am
#265 by conquistador
I guess Soros loves Hungary too, but what has he done for Hungary?
I guess Soros loves Hungary too, but what has he done for Hungary?
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