Psychology of Guerrilla War

#106 Ranjit do not include Chistians in your Hypothesis or whatevr your philosophy is

#106 by ranjit on February 12, 2007 1:09pm PT

to summarize: zeemax..wake the fuck up..there are no 72 virgins in your future...just 72 maggots waiting to feast on your rotting carcass..

Re:zeemax#104

[...So as you say you find out there`s nothing afterwards. Who finds out? You`re dead remember? So who`re you talking about who`ll find out there`s nothing?....]

Take it as an analogy to sleeping. Right before you actually go to sleep, you feel sleepy and know that you will soon fall asleep. After that a switch turns off and it all becomes blank until the next morning (or if there is a dream). The interval could have been 8 hrs or a million years, it wouldnt have made any difference.

The same might happen at death, except that the switch turns off and it never turns back on again. If that is what happens, isnt it a waste of time doing jihad and hating everyone? Why not enjoy life with your loved ones and make the most of it? What if life is just 1 chance for you out of eternity to experience consciousness?

Your entire belief system in Islam is based on the firm belief that you are part of something eternal and after death, you will still be ``conscious`` in some form and continue to experience something forever in paradise, since you are a good muslim. Its a mental crutch that is very attractive and reassuring but has absolutely no empirical basis. The problem is that the jihadis turn this attractive mental crutch into an absolute truth and are willing to kill others for it, besides neglecting their current existence. If all that happens after death is that a switch turns off for eternity, what a waste of that one chance to experience consciousness and make the most of it.

At a core level, muslims feel this way because their religion is still young and has not matured sufficiently. Mature religions like christianity or buddhism or hinduism do not make pretenstions to know the absolute truth. That provides their followers with the wisdom to make most of their current lives and also prepare for what lies afterwards. If there is indeed something after death, good enough, otherwise, at least you enjoy this life. The jihadis do not enjoy this life and may soon find out that there is nothing later on either, which is the ultimate tragedy.

Re: # 102
dear zeemax...this is my last letter to you. it is unfortunate that i could not have a friendly

respectful dialgue with you.....all the best...sohail

#103 by ranjit

So as you say you find out there`s nothing afterwards. Who finds out? You`re dead remember? So who`re you talking about who`ll find out there`s nothing?

Re:zeemax#98

[..Good. So you`re just feed for the maggots...]

Zee, what happens if you die and find out that there is nothing afterwards? Your neurons stop firing and it is infinite darkness. Have you thought about that possibility? What a waste all his hatred and ideology would be, wouldnt it?

#101 by drsohail

When Allama Iqbal said that .. he was talking about the maggots. You`ll certainly taste good.

No, really. Dr. Sohail. Please do me a favour. Please never quote Iqbal again. You don`t know what he means. It is an insult to that great man.

Re: # 100
malik sahib...allama iqbal said

waiy nakami mata-e-karawan jata raha

karawan kay dil say ehsaas-e-zian jata raha

i am not a pathan but i have many pathan friends. they are wonderful people....sohail

#98 by zeemax

zee, you are getting hysterical man. dr sohail, plz do some of your psychaitary magic.....

#84 zeemax

``They`re like `ziddi` children. If you take them to hell with `pyar mohabbat`, they will gladly go. But if you push them to `heaven`, they will kill you.``

This looks more like the definition of a Pathan.

#97 by ranjit

Good. So you`re just feed for the maggots.

Fair enough. At-least you`ll do the maggots good.

I accept your point of view. And you`re not alone, many do.

Zeemax,

Lets say I give you 2 choices - 1) Take $100 now or 2) Take a 10% chance of getting $100 million later. Your choice would most likely be 2, since you think losing $100 is not a big deal if you have a chance to score $10 million.

Now lest say I offer you these 2 chances - 1) Take $1 million now or 2) Take a 10% chance of getting $100 million later. Your choice may no longer be the same since losing a guaranteed $1 million is a big deal, even though expected value of second choice is still higher.

The above paradigm holds because humans value loss greater than gain.

The muslims today have a crappy life. Therefore they go for the 10% chance of getting heaven via suicide bombings or any other method. They do not think that losing their lives right now is a big deal as compared to the expected value from Islam. However, if their present conditions were great, corresponding to my second choice, how many would want to give it up to go for the 10% chance of hitting the jackpot after death? Thats why saudi royal family or punjabi feudal lords are not exactly signing up for guerilla warfare, jihad or suicide bombings. The poor Abduls, whose life are a waste, are lured into this by dangling the expected value of a future in heaven.

So all this talk about god and heaven is BS. The muslim elites are not able to provide a decent life or even attempt to provide a decent life to their people. Thats why they use the afterlife as a tool to misguide the people into fighting and suicide bombings.

Look tehsinabbasi ... what you wrote is because the idea of maggots eating you up is unpalatable ... (but it`s true ... just put a breast of fried chicken in the fridge and switch it off ... and check a week later). Now you believe your `soul` will be `somewhere` better, out of bounds. Is that what you said?

What reason do you have to believe that? Why would it necessarily be a better place? Could it be worse? The odds on it being better or worse would appear to be the same in a neutral environment. No?

So then what do you do? Is there actually a soul at all? Or just maggot feed?

You`ll have to decide on the above before going further.

#93 by Tehsinabbasi

Very good:

And it is my belief that I am definitely going to a better place ….

Where?

#92 by Tehsinabbasi

...subtlety of the human condition...

Yes I read it. Thanks.

Sure ... you believe human condition is subtle, I don`t think so at all. It is just a plain truth. Either you believe, or you don`t. Simple. No subtlety there.

Zeemax: #89, #90, #91

Allow me to retort:

My body is not me. This is just a cover, an allusion, maya… that’s all. My soul would be long gone … that you see what death is – a release from these bounds.

And it is my belief that I am definitely going to a better place …. But thank you, you keep the hooris, I would have no use for them.