Psychology of Guerrilla War

SR,

are you talking about these ``highly educated women`` ?

zeemax,

..... why do you take these things so personally ?.......... look, the prophet, his buddies, his wives, his concubines, his camel and these nasty women who have are determined on have a bloody showdown to make a point, are all public figures who run the risk of being ridiculed or lauded ............. but why take it out on my poor family who are going about their business as law abiding citizens and don`t even know, or care what what these crazy women are doing in islamabad ............

.......... you really need to control your temper before you end up like omar sheikh - he too was a `highly educated` man who went to an elite public school and lse ........ take a deep breath and don`t say takbeer or anything stupid like that ..........

#73 SR

``Al pHuda``

That was wicked.......

Re: # 69 zeemax {``...these girls are highly educated ... came to Jamia Hafsa ... from recognised Universities...``}

Just for curiousity sake, do these Ninjas from Jamia Hadsa have any connection with the ones from Al pHuda?

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zeemax,

........ i think they should shut down all the madrassas which are doing nothing but creating an army of potential suicide bombers .......... as for these girls, they should be sent to hira mandi lahore for re-education before they kill innocent bystanders - it is too late to save them ........... it is sad, but necessary .......

#68 by zeemax on February 12, 2007 4:42am PT

peemax...we`ve already seen the awesome record(cough cough) of the staunchly muslim paki army in liberating the oppressed ummah homies in Indian Kashmir...

so this BS about the almighty all conquering ummah homies BS doesn`t play outside yor paki echo-chamber of self-delusion...

The Jamia Hafsa issue:

All these girls are highly educated. All of them came to Jamia Hafsa after completing their MSc`s and MA`s from recognised Universities. Most of them come from Kohat and Waziristan. They just came to add the `Mufti` qualification to their education which jamia Hafsa awards. All of them are Pakhtoons save a few from Punjab.

These are the young girls who would not take any BS from anyone. These are Muslims.

What happened was that the Capital Development Authority came one night and bulldozed their mosque. Apparent reason was that the road had to be widened. Real reason is that Musharraf uses that road, and widening was important for security.

The girls don`t have any beef about that. Their beef was that when they went for Fajr prayers, their mosque was gone. They ask why weren`t they told? Why weren`t they given an alternate place? When they asked, they were bullshitted and insulted.

So, what they did, was to take over the library next-door to their hostel. There have been many attempts at a compromise, but don`t seem to be working. The girls are adamant for a formal apology and an alternate place for a mosque where they can walk from their hostels.

Now what is wrong with that ????

What`s wrong is that these young girls are Jamia Hafsa students ... which is a Madrassa. The current policy is to discourage Madrassas. So, the Governement cannot let them win.

In the meantime, the girls have categorically said that if anyone tries to remove them they will blow themselves up, but not leave under duress of the Govt.

Afreen ... Sum Afreen upon our sisters ..

The threat is that when the male Madrassa students see this going on, they will say ``Are we so beyghairat that our sisters are being beaten up and dying for their Faith while we sit idly by?``

That`s when all hell will break loose.

This issue, in my opinion, is a milestone.

Godspeed to the Jamia Hafsa students.

ramchandar CHUTYA,

Ummah is in the hearts. It is not in any boundaries. You hindoos will never understand that. After all, if the great American nation could never understand that, you guys are just lowly insects.

The nation which DOES understand the Ummah phenomenon, are the Jews. That`s why they know they will either live or die, and fighting to live. But, most likely the outcome will the latter during our own lifetimes.

You hindoos don`t even count ... chutyas ...

Dear Brothers Sr, Zee, Malik, Tehsin and Hamid

None of you argue that Islam is Arab imperialism. It self propagting imperialism. The cunning of Mohammad is that he was the first Arab nationlist who used spirtulity for political purpose and for whom all the paki, indian or for that reason any other chutiyas were mere fodder to be used for propagating islam.

All this talk about umah is just nonsense. Where is umah? Can you go and settle down in mecca and live happily ever after. Can you just go there open business, send your children to schools and get the citizen ship. No. Because you are just like kafirs and to be used only for the purpose of propagating this Arab imperialism.

Go and read the book of the Pakistani writer Anwar Shaikh. The name of the book is Islam - Arab Imperialism.

I think there is a copy of this book in one of Lahore`s libraries.

God bless you all kafirs.

...... further add-on ...

Islam`s natural state is one of complete domination. Without full domination, Islam is incomplete. There is no concept of peaceful Muslim co-existence with non-Muslims in an equal political system. Muslims HAVE to dominate, otherwise they are not Muslims.

I think that`s a bloody good concept. I like it a lot. That gives purpose.

....add-on...

Why dont the other muslims just accept reality and admit that Islam is a religion of war and aggression?

Because (to borrow from masadi`s expression) they are Damn Fools!

#59 by ranjit

Dear Ranjit,

When did I ever say Islam was a religion of Peace? Kindly reproduce where I said that.

If anyone else told you so, don`t believe him.

My friend, Islam is NOT a religion of Peace. It is NOT a religion to turn the other cheek. Islam is extremely violent when warranted.

Islam is Peace in times of Peace, Tolerance and Accomodation when times allow that, and Ruthless when it has to be. Islam is a TOTAL system of existence, where life is valued, but not indispensible. Whether own, or of its enemy; whether in uniform, or without it.

Please be clear about that.

Re: # 61 ranjit {``...overall Indo-Pak dynamics are also headed in the right direction because of the relatively smart, calibrated policies...``}

During my recent trip I was quite surprised to see that a brand new four lane road is built from Wazirabad to Sialkot (is it supposed to continue on to Jammu?) ... but it abruptly stops few kilometers short of the border. This used to be a pissy-ant nothing road full of pot holes that went off the GT Road. Now the land value along that road, particularly near Sialkot, has skyrocketted and rivals Lahore prices, right in the middle of no where. I know of some big investors who have bought land along the road. Also Sialkot is getting a BIG airport. An ``international`` airport? Bigger than Lahore`s by some accounts. What is this about?

In a sane world, Western tourists destined for Kashmir could be flying into Sialkot (instead of Delhi)... Look at the map and you`ll see what I mean. The fruits of peace and normalcy of relations besides paying enormous economic dividends, could also very quickly heal all old wounds.

...SR

Re:teshsinabbasi (continued from #61)

India`s policies since 1947 towards muslims and Pakistan have been nuanced and controlled. After the disastrous period of the forties and partition, India learnt a lesson on how to deal with the communal conflict but still come out on top. Firstly it avoided ganging up against muslims within India to take revenge for partition. India still went ahead and adopted a secular constitution and tried to patch up relations with muslims. As a result, India avoided falling into the communal trap that Pakistan did and religion stayed away from politics. This has led to a healthy secular democratic polity that can hold its own against any western democracy. It also prevented muslims from losing all hope and take to extremism, like they seem to be doing in a lot of european countries these days.

Secondly India competed strongly against Pakistan for supremecy in the subcontinent, but did not want to destroy it. India could have focused all energies to fight war after war against Pakistan and do everything to destroy it, like the arabs tried against Israel. That opposition actually strenghthened Israel by fostering unity amongst the Israelis. The lack of such opposition in the subcontinent, took the wind out of the sail for Pakistan. It soon fell into ethnic and linguistic battles - punjabis vs. bengalis vs. mohajirs and then sunni vs shia . In fact, it was the bogey of Kashmir that kept Pakistanis going from an ideological point of view. India stepped in once in a while like in 1971 to break Pakistan, but it never tried to erase it completely. There was no apetite to rule muslim areas again and the presence of a buffer state from West Asia/Central Asia, was quite beneficial for India`s security. So the net result was that India established supremacy over Pakistan in the subcontinent but did not go for the kill, since Pakistan served a useful purpose on keeping India`s western borders isolated from the madness in Afghanistan and elsewhere. This has provided India with the space to focus on economic growth which it has grabbed with both hands.

The results of all this is that India is focused on economic growth while Pakistan battles with extremists in the North-west, and India and Pakistan are going in for a reconciliation. Recently journalists have noted that Pakistanis are more angry with Afghanistan than India. So Pakistan is becoming India`s western shield without becoming too big for its boots to threaten India - a very desirable outcome for India.

Re:Tehsinabbasi

The peaceful resolution of a conflict requires that the more powerful side executes a smart, calibrated policy to resolve the issue, using only as much force as really needed, compromising as necessary and playing a nuanced, balanced game of winning over your opponents without giving up on your geo-strategic goals. Dumb, brute force doesnt work. Partial force with accompanying smart compromises can do the trick.

The US civil war is one example where a conflict was settled by force. However, the North made extensive compromises and took measures to bring the South back into the mainstream, which the South was willing to accept. The contrasting example is Pakistan in East Pakistan in 1971. Pakistan wanted to militarily crush its opponent (the bengalis) and even physically obliterate it. In some other times, it might have worked. However, in the modern world, it could not sustain the effort and ended up losing half the country. Israel is another example, where they have militarily crushed the Palestinians and each side desires to physically obliterate the other, if they could get half a chance. No wonder this conflict persists till today to the point that both sides would happily spit in each other`s face and kill each other`s kids. Whats the benefit? Both Isrealis and Palestinians have a lousy life where they are scared of getting blown up at any moment.

In this context, I believe India has been very intelligent in dealing with its conflicts. It has used controlled force in Kashmir and never crossed the line, even thought it meant higher casualties on Indian side. Even today, helicopter gunships are banned in Kashmir, something that the Pakistanis use routinely in Baluchistan. On the contrary India has held elections, made sure that Kashmiris own all their land and resources, invested gazillion dollars in Kashmir and avoided changing the demographics, even though it could have changed the religious equation in the valley. As a result of those patient controlled efforts, Kashmir now belongs solidly to India. Pakistanis with all their military power and nukes have given up on Kashmir calling for negotiations, while Kashmiri leaders want to call off the violence entirely. It is really unique that for the first time in history, a non-muslim country could pacify a muslim rebellion without phsyically obliterating the opponents, like in Spain or Sicily.

The overall Indo-Pak dynamics are also headed in the right direction because of the relatively smart, calibrated policies employed by the Indian government in terms of dealing with Pakistan and internally with muslims. Today the US and Europe looks to India in terms of learning about how to deal with muslim minorities!! Go figure.