Khalid Sohail February 8, 2007
#114 Posted by hamidm2 on February 12, 2007 8:45:51 pm
Re: # 113
drsohail,
........ i am surprised that being a shrink you do not know what is a god receptor ! ......... i guess in your lingo this affliction is called schizophrenia .........
drsohail,
........ i am surprised that being a shrink you do not know what is a god receptor ! ......... i guess in your lingo this affliction is called schizophrenia .........
#104 Posted by zeemax on February 12, 2007 12:10:59 pm
#103 by ranjit
So as you say you find out there`s nothing afterwards. Who finds out? You`re dead remember? So who`re you talking about who`ll find out there`s nothing?
So as you say you find out there`s nothing afterwards. Who finds out? You`re dead remember? So who`re you talking about who`ll find out there`s nothing?
#103 Posted by Ranjit on February 12, 2007 12:04:39 pm
Re:zeemax#98
[..Good. So you`re just feed for the maggots...]
Zee, what happens if you die and find out that there is nothing afterwards? Your neurons stop firing and it is infinite darkness. Have you thought about that possibility? What a waste all his hatred and ideology would be, wouldnt it?
[..Good. So you`re just feed for the maggots...]
Zee, what happens if you die and find out that there is nothing afterwards? Your neurons stop firing and it is infinite darkness. Have you thought about that possibility? What a waste all his hatred and ideology would be, wouldnt it?
#102 Posted by zeemax on February 12, 2007 11:48:36 am
#101 by drsohail
When Allama Iqbal said that .. he was talking about the maggots. You`ll certainly taste good.
No, really. Dr. Sohail. Please do me a favour. Please never quote Iqbal again. You don`t know what he means. It is an insult to that great man.
When Allama Iqbal said that .. he was talking about the maggots. You`ll certainly taste good.
No, really. Dr. Sohail. Please do me a favour. Please never quote Iqbal again. You don`t know what he means. It is an insult to that great man.
#105 Posted by drsohail on February 12, 2007 12:55:30 pm
Re: # 102
dear zeemax...this is my last letter to you. it is unfortunate that i could not have a friendly
respectful dialgue with you.....all the best...sohail
dear zeemax...this is my last letter to you. it is unfortunate that i could not have a friendly
respectful dialgue with you.....all the best...sohail
#100 Posted by malikjahanzeb on February 12, 2007 11:32:42 am
#98 by zeemax
zee, you are getting hysterical man. dr sohail, plz do some of your psychaitary magic.....
zee, you are getting hysterical man. dr sohail, plz do some of your psychaitary magic.....
#101 Posted by drsohail on February 12, 2007 11:39:49 am
Re: # 100
malik sahib...allama iqbal said
waiy nakami mata-e-karawan jata raha
karawan kay dil say ehsaas-e-zian jata raha
i am not a pathan but i have many pathan friends. they are wonderful people....sohail
malik sahib...allama iqbal said
waiy nakami mata-e-karawan jata raha
karawan kay dil say ehsaas-e-zian jata raha
i am not a pathan but i have many pathan friends. they are wonderful people....sohail
#99 Posted by malikjahanzeb on February 12, 2007 11:25:32 am
#84 zeemax
``They`re like `ziddi` children. If you take them to hell with `pyar mohabbat`, they will gladly go. But if you push them to `heaven`, they will kill you.``
This looks more like the definition of a Pathan.
``They`re like `ziddi` children. If you take them to hell with `pyar mohabbat`, they will gladly go. But if you push them to `heaven`, they will kill you.``
This looks more like the definition of a Pathan.
#98 Posted by zeemax on February 12, 2007 11:06:02 am
#97 by ranjit
Good. So you`re just feed for the maggots.
Fair enough. At-least you`ll do the maggots good.
I accept your point of view. And you`re not alone, many do.
Good. So you`re just feed for the maggots.
Fair enough. At-least you`ll do the maggots good.
I accept your point of view. And you`re not alone, many do.
#97 Posted by Ranjit on February 12, 2007 10:50:23 am
Zeemax,
Lets say I give you 2 choices - 1) Take $100 now or 2) Take a 10% chance of getting $100 million later. Your choice would most likely be 2, since you think losing $100 is not a big deal if you have a chance to score $10 million.
Now lest say I offer you these 2 chances - 1) Take $1 million now or 2) Take a 10% chance of getting $100 million later. Your choice may no longer be the same since losing a guaranteed $1 million is a big deal, even though expected value of second choice is still higher.
The above paradigm holds because humans value loss greater than gain.
The muslims today have a crappy life. Therefore they go for the 10% chance of getting heaven via suicide bombings or any other method. They do not think that losing their lives right now is a big deal as compared to the expected value from Islam. However, if their present conditions were great, corresponding to my second choice, how many would want to give it up to go for the 10% chance of hitting the jackpot after death? Thats why saudi royal family or punjabi feudal lords are not exactly signing up for guerilla warfare, jihad or suicide bombings. The poor Abduls, whose life are a waste, are lured into this by dangling the expected value of a future in heaven.
So all this talk about god and heaven is BS. The muslim elites are not able to provide a decent life or even attempt to provide a decent life to their people. Thats why they use the afterlife as a tool to misguide the people into fighting and suicide bombings.
Lets say I give you 2 choices - 1) Take $100 now or 2) Take a 10% chance of getting $100 million later. Your choice would most likely be 2, since you think losing $100 is not a big deal if you have a chance to score $10 million.
Now lest say I offer you these 2 chances - 1) Take $1 million now or 2) Take a 10% chance of getting $100 million later. Your choice may no longer be the same since losing a guaranteed $1 million is a big deal, even though expected value of second choice is still higher.
The above paradigm holds because humans value loss greater than gain.
The muslims today have a crappy life. Therefore they go for the 10% chance of getting heaven via suicide bombings or any other method. They do not think that losing their lives right now is a big deal as compared to the expected value from Islam. However, if their present conditions were great, corresponding to my second choice, how many would want to give it up to go for the 10% chance of hitting the jackpot after death? Thats why saudi royal family or punjabi feudal lords are not exactly signing up for guerilla warfare, jihad or suicide bombings. The poor Abduls, whose life are a waste, are lured into this by dangling the expected value of a future in heaven.
So all this talk about god and heaven is BS. The muslim elites are not able to provide a decent life or even attempt to provide a decent life to their people. Thats why they use the afterlife as a tool to misguide the people into fighting and suicide bombings.
#116 Posted by ballukhan on February 13, 2007 5:48:40 am
Re: # 97
`` The muslim elites are not able to provide a decent life or even attempt to provide a decent life to their people. Thats why they use the afterlife as a tool to misguide the people into fighting and suicide bombings.``
I agree. Infact the Islamists are in the fore front of trying to be the ``elites`` aiming at capture of temporal power by misguiding youths with their nonsense.
If you find some Pakistani spouting this nonsense, be sure that he is trying to get to the top of the Ummah`s elite circle.
`` The muslim elites are not able to provide a decent life or even attempt to provide a decent life to their people. Thats why they use the afterlife as a tool to misguide the people into fighting and suicide bombings.``
I agree. Infact the Islamists are in the fore front of trying to be the ``elites`` aiming at capture of temporal power by misguiding youths with their nonsense.
If you find some Pakistani spouting this nonsense, be sure that he is trying to get to the top of the Ummah`s elite circle.
#96 Posted by zeemax on February 12, 2007 10:28:07 am
Look tehsinabbasi ... what you wrote is because the idea of maggots eating you up is unpalatable ... (but it`s true ... just put a breast of fried chicken in the fridge and switch it off ... and check a week later). Now you believe your `soul` will be `somewhere` better, out of bounds. Is that what you said?
What reason do you have to believe that? Why would it necessarily be a better place? Could it be worse? The odds on it being better or worse would appear to be the same in a neutral environment. No?
So then what do you do? Is there actually a soul at all? Or just maggot feed?
You`ll have to decide on the above before going further.
What reason do you have to believe that? Why would it necessarily be a better place? Could it be worse? The odds on it being better or worse would appear to be the same in a neutral environment. No?
So then what do you do? Is there actually a soul at all? Or just maggot feed?
You`ll have to decide on the above before going further.
#95 Posted by zeemax on February 12, 2007 10:21:45 am
#93 by Tehsinabbasi
Very good:
And it is my belief that I am definitely going to a better place ….
Where?
Very good:
And it is my belief that I am definitely going to a better place ….
Where?
#94 Posted by zeemax on February 12, 2007 10:20:02 am
#92 by Tehsinabbasi
...subtlety of the human condition...
Yes I read it. Thanks.
Sure ... you believe human condition is subtle, I don`t think so at all. It is just a plain truth. Either you believe, or you don`t. Simple. No subtlety there.
...subtlety of the human condition...
Yes I read it. Thanks.
Sure ... you believe human condition is subtle, I don`t think so at all. It is just a plain truth. Either you believe, or you don`t. Simple. No subtlety there.
#93 Posted by Tehsinabbasi on February 12, 2007 10:19:05 am
Zeemax: #89, #90, #91
Allow me to retort:
My body is not me. This is just a cover, an allusion, maya… that’s all. My soul would be long gone … that you see what death is – a release from these bounds.
And it is my belief that I am definitely going to a better place …. But thank you, you keep the hooris, I would have no use for them.
Allow me to retort:
My body is not me. This is just a cover, an allusion, maya… that’s all. My soul would be long gone … that you see what death is – a release from these bounds.
And it is my belief that I am definitely going to a better place …. But thank you, you keep the hooris, I would have no use for them.
#92 Posted by Tehsinabbasi on February 12, 2007 10:01:43 am
Zeemax:
I would love to have your comments about the following text that I read. It is from a speech given to graduating seniors at a high school.
“our shared humanity gets savagely challenged when our differences are narrowed into one devised system of uniquely powerful categorization”. I really want you to remember that piece of wisdom. In fact I will repeat it. I want you to be naturally skeptical of anyone who claims access to an absolute truth that goes beyond personal belief and is extended into a value system which is deemed good for all others if only they would see the light. Fundamentalism in all its forms is the enemy of enlightenment and enlightenment ultimately is based on our appreciation and understanding of the plurality and infinite subtlety of the human condition.”
I would love to have your comments about the following text that I read. It is from a speech given to graduating seniors at a high school.
“our shared humanity gets savagely challenged when our differences are narrowed into one devised system of uniquely powerful categorization”. I really want you to remember that piece of wisdom. In fact I will repeat it. I want you to be naturally skeptical of anyone who claims access to an absolute truth that goes beyond personal belief and is extended into a value system which is deemed good for all others if only they would see the light. Fundamentalism in all its forms is the enemy of enlightenment and enlightenment ultimately is based on our appreciation and understanding of the plurality and infinite subtlety of the human condition.”
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