Q Isa Daudpota and Arshad H Abbasi February 16, 2007
#76 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 1:11:37 am
... hey ... does anyone know who was the wounded guy in the hammock ???
#75 Posted by harish_hyd on February 19, 2007 10:58:37 pm
#48 by Pardesi
Indian sycophancy and opportunitism also derive its roots from Hindu culture. Rajiv and Indira exploited it to hilt just like British and Muslim invaders.
While I am with you on the second one, I fail to understand why you feel Hindu culture is to blame.
How many Hindus took out mass protests against Rajiv after the 1984 massacres? How many Hindus died to protect those innocent Sikhs?
Is dying alone a proof of intentions? I know of many Hindus who at great risk to their lives sheltered Sikhs from the marauding mobs. Under the circumstances, many did what they could to help them. I (a Madrassi) was then a kid staying with an uncle and I saw the whole apartment full of scared Sikhs. My uncle and aunt themselves took in a dozen of them, cooked food for them and tried their best to make them feel at home. I didn`t understand the magnitude of the tragedy then, but looking back today, I`m proud of those who did whatever little they could, considering the threats that were being hurled their way.
And yaar tell me how many Indian Sikhs protested against the atrocity? Has there been a sustained movement on the part of influential Sikhs (and there are quite a lot of them) to bring justice to the victims? I hate to talk in terms of Hindus this and Muslims that, but why should Hindus alone be blamed when Sikhs themselves haven`t done too much? Many Sikhs continue to be proud Congressmen, when a simple boycott of the party could have sent a message that they haven`t forgiven it for its complicity.
It’s pathetic and shows how much more the culture has to evolve.
I agree that we as Indians are still a long way away from the values of truth and justice but hopefully someday, we`ll get there.
Indian sycophancy and opportunitism also derive its roots from Hindu culture. Rajiv and Indira exploited it to hilt just like British and Muslim invaders.
While I am with you on the second one, I fail to understand why you feel Hindu culture is to blame.
How many Hindus took out mass protests against Rajiv after the 1984 massacres? How many Hindus died to protect those innocent Sikhs?
Is dying alone a proof of intentions? I know of many Hindus who at great risk to their lives sheltered Sikhs from the marauding mobs. Under the circumstances, many did what they could to help them. I (a Madrassi) was then a kid staying with an uncle and I saw the whole apartment full of scared Sikhs. My uncle and aunt themselves took in a dozen of them, cooked food for them and tried their best to make them feel at home. I didn`t understand the magnitude of the tragedy then, but looking back today, I`m proud of those who did whatever little they could, considering the threats that were being hurled their way.
And yaar tell me how many Indian Sikhs protested against the atrocity? Has there been a sustained movement on the part of influential Sikhs (and there are quite a lot of them) to bring justice to the victims? I hate to talk in terms of Hindus this and Muslims that, but why should Hindus alone be blamed when Sikhs themselves haven`t done too much? Many Sikhs continue to be proud Congressmen, when a simple boycott of the party could have sent a message that they haven`t forgiven it for its complicity.
It’s pathetic and shows how much more the culture has to evolve.
I agree that we as Indians are still a long way away from the values of truth and justice but hopefully someday, we`ll get there.
#74 Posted by Ranjit on February 19, 2007 10:18:21 pm
Re:tahmed#70
[..India been winning all the wars as you assure me, and yet does not have one inch more turf than it did in 1947....]
Tahmed, I know Pakistanis have this secret fantasy of Indian forces rolling into Pakistan some day and taking them back into the fold of mother India. When people protest so loudly about something NOT happening, they secretly wish it actually did happen!! Its kind of like how hindus come on chowk and insist stubbornly about cutting off all links to Pakistan. :-)
However, you are out of luck. We do not want your land. We would rather visit Lahore as tourists for Basant and enjoy your hospitality than show up with tanks and suffer suicide blasts. Just protect the northwest and keep away the X-e-Y type riff-raffs from Kashmir, and we will be all set.
[..India been winning all the wars as you assure me, and yet does not have one inch more turf than it did in 1947....]
Tahmed, I know Pakistanis have this secret fantasy of Indian forces rolling into Pakistan some day and taking them back into the fold of mother India. When people protest so loudly about something NOT happening, they secretly wish it actually did happen!! Its kind of like how hindus come on chowk and insist stubbornly about cutting off all links to Pakistan. :-)
However, you are out of luck. We do not want your land. We would rather visit Lahore as tourists for Basant and enjoy your hospitality than show up with tanks and suffer suicide blasts. Just protect the northwest and keep away the X-e-Y type riff-raffs from Kashmir, and we will be all set.
#73 Posted by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 7:55:08 pm
arjun: i write a post to you and to another to ranjit. And you ignore the post addressed to you and start responding to the post to the other individual. I think your dyslexia is getting worse..... :-(
#72 Posted by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 7:53:33 pm
#71 first tell me - did you finally take your pills today?
#71 Posted by arjun2 on February 19, 2007 7:48:36 pm
#70 by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 7:31pm PT
ranjit #65 Isnt it amazing - India been winning all the wars as you assure me, and yet does not have one inch more turf than it did in 1947.
maybe not in your fictional pakiworld..in the real world...
Kargil
However in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 the entire Kargil region including key posts was captured for good by Indian troops.[1] In order to straighten out the line of control in the area, the Indian Army launched night attacks when the ground temperatures sank to below -17º and about 15 enemy posts located at height of 16,000 feet and more were captured. [2] After Pakistan forces lost the war and agreed to the Shimla Agreement, Kargil and other strategic areas nearby remained with India.[
ranjit #65 Isnt it amazing - India been winning all the wars as you assure me, and yet does not have one inch more turf than it did in 1947.
maybe not in your fictional pakiworld..in the real world...
Kargil
However in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 the entire Kargil region including key posts was captured for good by Indian troops.[1] In order to straighten out the line of control in the area, the Indian Army launched night attacks when the ground temperatures sank to below -17º and about 15 enemy posts located at height of 16,000 feet and more were captured. [2] After Pakistan forces lost the war and agreed to the Shimla Agreement, Kargil and other strategic areas nearby remained with India.[
#70 Posted by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 7:31:50 pm
ranjit #65 Isnt it amazing - India been winning all the wars as you assure me, and yet does not have one inch more turf than it did in 1947. And as a result of all these amazing victories, India has managed to brilliantly exchange change the military equation from one of superiority in conventional arms to one of a nuclear stalemate. But then, what are ``elder brothers`` for if not to do these small favors. :-)
#69 Posted by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 7:21:44 pm
arjun #66: I know it is frustrating to be reminded to take your pills. But remember: it is for your own good. These pills will make your dyslexius macacus better. Soon you will be able to start reading my posts, rather than reading hallucinations as you were doing below!! :-)
#68 Posted by mohar11 on February 19, 2007 3:47:00 pm
Actually, mullah32 thinks that it was no big deal that Arora did what he did to them... anybody could have done it, anybody could have just walked in and ripped pakis apart... which is true... :)
#67 Posted by mohar11 on February 19, 2007 3:44:02 pm
He he... closet mullah32, the classic paki... Gen. Arora screwed pakis royally in the a$$, but mullah32 says it was good for them... ha ha... No wonder pakis have turned GUBOing into fine art... :)
#66 Posted by arjun2 on February 19, 2007 3:33:37 pm
#64 by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 1:37pm PT
those blue pills
Take your green pills
prophet tahmed(pbuysrr): you seem to know a bit too much about the colors of pills for that kind of affliction...from personal experience?
those blue pills
Take your green pills
prophet tahmed(pbuysrr): you seem to know a bit too much about the colors of pills for that kind of affliction...from personal experience?
#65 Posted by Ranjit on February 19, 2007 3:14:27 pm
Re:tahmed#57
[...but dont let me stop you Indians from gloating over a ``victory`` - given that military ``victories`` are in short supply to Indians throught history. :-)
.....So, thanks anyway for that favor, our Indian friends, who unwittingly end up helping Pakistan every time they try to do some mischief. ]
We may be at the low end of the global hierarcy of military victories, but we have the supreme satisfaction of seeing Pakistan at even lower level than us. :-)
As far as helping Pakistan is concerned, here is the deal - Pakistan is like an irritating younger brother, who knows it lags behind us but still wants to interfere and compete in everything we do with a ``me too`` plea. While we may want to beat the crap out of it once in a while, we still have a soft corner for it and will never destroy it. In any case, we will always protect it from the neighborhood riff raff, especially the unwashed jihadis from Afghanistan or elsewhere. So just call us ``bade bhaiyya`` and all will be forgiven. :-)
[...but dont let me stop you Indians from gloating over a ``victory`` - given that military ``victories`` are in short supply to Indians throught history. :-)
.....So, thanks anyway for that favor, our Indian friends, who unwittingly end up helping Pakistan every time they try to do some mischief. ]
We may be at the low end of the global hierarcy of military victories, but we have the supreme satisfaction of seeing Pakistan at even lower level than us. :-)
As far as helping Pakistan is concerned, here is the deal - Pakistan is like an irritating younger brother, who knows it lags behind us but still wants to interfere and compete in everything we do with a ``me too`` plea. While we may want to beat the crap out of it once in a while, we still have a soft corner for it and will never destroy it. In any case, we will always protect it from the neighborhood riff raff, especially the unwashed jihadis from Afghanistan or elsewhere. So just call us ``bade bhaiyya`` and all will be forgiven. :-)
#64 Posted by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 1:37:27 pm
and where did i claim to be an ``expert`` in military victories?? I told the nurse to stop giving you those blue pills in #60 - and I can see she hasnt done that yet. So you continue to suffer from dyslexius macacus. :-(
#63 Posted by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 1:35:35 pm
#62 arjun: you are a seriously sick man. Take your green pills, do something about your hallucinations, and stop wasting time trying to discuss politics.
#62 Posted by arjun2 on February 19, 2007 1:29:23 pm
#60 by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 1:20pm PT
prophet tahmed: since you`re claiming to be the expert on military victories, what do you think of the paki army declaring victory after abandoning the bodies of it`s soldiers while withdrawing?
prophet tahmed: since you`re claiming to be the expert on military victories, what do you think of the paki army declaring victory after abandoning the bodies of it`s soldiers while withdrawing?
#61 Posted by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 1:22:47 pm
hamidm #58 ``Council of Islamic Ideology`` indeed!! More like the ``Council of Apes who dance to the Mush Tune``.
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