Exchange Siachen Madness for Mountain Peace

Actually, mullah32 thinks that it was no big deal that Arora did what he did to them... anybody could have done it, anybody could have just walked in and ripped pakis apart... which is true... :)

He he... closet mullah32, the classic paki... Gen. Arora screwed pakis royally in the a$$, but mullah32 says it was good for them... ha ha... No wonder pakis have turned GUBOing into fine art... :)

#64 by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 1:37pm PT


those blue pills
Take your green pills


prophet tahmed(pbuysrr): you seem to know a bit too much about the colors of pills for that kind of affliction...from personal experience?

Re:tahmed#57

[...but dont let me stop you Indians from gloating over a ``victory`` - given that military ``victories`` are in short supply to Indians throught history. :-)

.....So, thanks anyway for that favor, our Indian friends, who unwittingly end up helping Pakistan every time they try to do some mischief. ]

We may be at the low end of the global hierarcy of military victories, but we have the supreme satisfaction of seeing Pakistan at even lower level than us. :-)

As far as helping Pakistan is concerned, here is the deal - Pakistan is like an irritating younger brother, who knows it lags behind us but still wants to interfere and compete in everything we do with a ``me too`` plea. While we may want to beat the crap out of it once in a while, we still have a soft corner for it and will never destroy it. In any case, we will always protect it from the neighborhood riff raff, especially the unwashed jihadis from Afghanistan or elsewhere. So just call us ``bade bhaiyya`` and all will be forgiven. :-)

and where did i claim to be an ``expert`` in military victories?? I told the nurse to stop giving you those blue pills in #60 - and I can see she hasnt done that yet. So you continue to suffer from dyslexius macacus. :-(

#62 arjun: you are a seriously sick man. Take your green pills, do something about your hallucinations, and stop wasting time trying to discuss politics.

#60 by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 1:20pm PT

prophet tahmed: since you`re claiming to be the expert on military victories, what do you think of the paki army declaring victory after abandoning the bodies of it`s soldiers while withdrawing?

hamidm #58 ``Council of Islamic Ideology`` indeed!! More like the ``Council of Apes who dance to the Mush Tune``.

#59 arjun: where did i say anything about kargil or the pakistan army?


....aside to self: hmmmmm.....I can see those blue pills are having serious side affects, causing dyslexius macacus to the macaca, causing him to read things that are not written. Must tell the nurse to switch to the green pills and see if that works.

#57 by tahmed32 on February 19, 2007 11:09am PT

ahem...

the paki army sneaking up on vacated mountains in kargil and then getting it`s ass kicked out, after leaving the bodies of it`s soldiers behind, is a brilliant ``tactical move`` by the paki army..

no houris for you !

it seems that there is some doubt as to whether you qualify for 72 virgins if you freeze to death in siachin .......... it doesn`t seem fair, but there it is

GHQ seeks CII fatwa on martyrs

ISLAMABAD: General Headquarters has asked the Council of Islamic Ideology to issue a decree, or fatwa, stating whether a soldier killed in Pakistan while fighting terrorists or pre-empting sectarianism is a martyr. GHQ sent a list of eight questions to the council about the various circumstances in which a soldier who dies on duty can be considered a martyr. The council responded to GHQ that it was not within its ambit to issue decrees, but it was forwarding the questions to muftis. The replies of the muftis were sent back to GHQ, but not published in the CII’s report. GHQ asked the CII’s opinion on the status of soldiers killed in accidents during military exercises or on the way to war zones, or who die of mountain sickness on Siachen; soldiers killed in a border area or along the Line of Control in a stove blast, or a landmine explosion; and about Pakistani soldiers killed while serving abroad under the United Nations. mohammad imran

#55 So Aurora ran over a garrison that was surrounded by a hostile population, thousands of miles away from any reinforcements, no air cover. Aurora may have been a decent individual personally (from what you quote him as saying, he is certainly a cut above the average Indian on chowk)...but dont let me stop you Indians from gloating over a ``victory`` - given that military ``victories`` are in short supply to Indians throught history. :-)

And....``dismembering`` Pakistan in fact made Pakistan a secure nation, free from the multiple political, economic, social and cultural issues. So, thanks anyway for that favor, our Indian friends, who unwittingly end up helping Pakistan every time they try to do some mischief.

Re: # 49

Kedar,

I have never defended Bhindrawale or his associates and their actions. In fact tell us why Punjab government was not dissolved much earlier and why Indira had to wait until 1984 to cleanse the Golden Temple. So, I am with you when you say that the government, and specifically central government, has an obligation to maintain law and order to protect lives and properties of all of its citizens – Hindus, Sikhs or Muslims. If any single person or his cohorts (in this case Bhindrawale) get out of control, bring on the army and get rid of them. Don’t blame average Sikh for that.

What gets me is what can people do when the central government becomes the terrorist machine as it happened in 1984? How do you protect against that? Which army/organization the victims can appeal to? Should they fight back and be called terrorists? Or should they submit to rulers of Delhi and learn to survive? And if minorities have to submit to the democratically elected killers, how are we different than other lesser developed tribal societies?

I know it may be hard for you to understand that, but in more advanced civilized world, the government is respected and gets loyalty because it protects each and every citizen irrespective of their faith and does not use collective punishment as a tool to rule. They eliminate trouble makers much earlier before too many innocent lives are lost.

Some other gems from your post and my responses:

. 1984 incidences were not riots - These were massacres sponsored and funded by central overnment. Riots are when two communities are going after each other. In this case our peaceful central government was the killer machine.

. Khalistani – every person that questions underlying morality of a society, of which we all are product of, should not be labeled whatever you wish. Open your mind and let’s try to learn from the unfortunate incidents. If we don’t, these things will keep repeating against other minorities if not Sikhs, and India may take much longer to reach its true potential.

. You defending Sikhs abroad – Please defend Kashmir and that should be more than enough. Don’t worry about Sikhs. They can take care of themselves.

Lt General J S Aurora the hero of subcontinent, who signed the surrender treaty with Pakistan`s General A A Niazi [Tiger] on December 16, 1971, said on one occasion “ I must say that I was in charge of the Eastern sector and in 13 days of fighting we won a decisive victory in the East. My personal view is that dismembering Pakistan would not have solved the problem of animosity between the two countries. As a human being I feel that a new course we will have to learn to live each and not continue to fight at the expense of the progress of each country”
This was the vision of a real General of democratic about Pakistan and ask same question…to Pakistani general….. still thinking of Delhi fort…Kashmir…… Perhaps due to real-estate value

The reason why Hindu must be sternly dealt with issues like Siachin: