Exchange Siachen Madness for Mountain Peace

Re: # 50

Mohar,

People vote and choose what’s more beneficial for them at the time. This does not mean they approve of or have forgotten what happened in 1984. One needs to move on.

Hi, mohar you are right, we are intigrated because of democracy.

I thought Congress Party is back in power in Punjab after the recent elections... you know, the Congress party, whose chief once said ``when tree falls, grass gets killed`` [or some sh!t like that] as an explanation for killing thousands of sikhs in delhi...

But now, guess what - his wife is head of the party and the party is back in contention in punjab... sikhs have voted for congress party in their own state... can you believe that?

so Paredsi Mian, what gives?...

#48 by Pardesi on February 19, 2007 6:25am PT

Pardesi, I presume you are a Sikh and let me ask you the same question. How many Sikhs took out mass protests when Bhindranwale`s goons used to terrorize innocent Hindus? The times when guys riding pillon on scooter and motorcycles would open fire on innocent people at a shopping mall. Situation turned so ugly that riding more than one on two-wheelers was banned in Punjab and Chandigarh. The times when night buses were stopped at deserted roads and passengers were segregated and non-turbaned males were killed in cold-blood. I worked in Punjab for a couple of months from Nov 85 to Jan 86 and even though it was post-Blue Star and post-Indira period, terrorism was still prevelant even though it was not as bad as pre-Blue Star period. When going back to Delhi I had to make sure that I reached Ambala before dusk otherwise I would miss the bus to Delhi as night buses would stop plying. Have the Sikhs and Punjab government erected a memorial for Lala Jagat Narain, the Punjab Kesari publisher, who was gunned down for speaking out against the terrorists? Have they erected a memorial for DIG Atwal (a Sikh police officer) who was killed on the premises of Golden Temple when he had gone in civilian clothes to offer prayers and was unarmed? Have you all ever said sorry to the Nirankaris for the killing of Baba Gurbachan Singh and attempts on the life of his son and successor Baba Hardev Singh? There are more examples but you get the gist.

What you probably don`t recall or unaware of is that the violence against Hindus went on for almost four years before Operation BlueStar. It was also not that Bhindranwale and his goons were ordinary criminals who just happened to kill people in dacoities. They had fortified their base in The Golden Temple, Damdama Sahib in Taran Taran and other gurudwaras in Punjab and some even outside Punjab. It is a gross failure of silence, complicity or sheer indifference on the part of the average Sikh that Bhindranwale and his band of Khalistani terrorists were able to create such a havoc. It is the patience and tolerance of Hindus that during this period there was not a single anti-Sikh riot in any part of the country even though 40% of the Sikhs live outside Punjab in India. The November 1984 anti-Sikh riots were one and the only incident of anti-Sikh riot since 1947. While that one riot is one riot too many and I certainly would like to see the day when the likes of Jagdish Tytler, Dharam Das Shastri, HKL Bhagat and Sajjan Kumar are convicted, what you are not realizing is that if the average Hindu was silent or even supported the attacks on the Sikhs, it was because he had also reached his/her level of patience. Hindus may be guilty of silence as you allege but the Sikhs are more guilty of silence over a longer period. Even a few months after the November riots, there were transistor bombs exploding on the buses of Delhi and two Congress leaders, Lalit Maken and Arjun Dass were killed and there were no anti-Sikh riots.

Whatever support and base you Khalistanis are allowed in Canada, Britain or Yuba City, try the same kind of shit in these countries with the local population and see how quickly they come down on you like a jackhammer. Had the Golden Temple been in any of the Western nations it would have been razed to the ground in no time.

You are entitled to your stereotyping as in #48 but I can also do the same. However, I have too much respect for Sikhs and Sikhism to get into this shit. If some of you Khalistanis don`t want to be associated with Indians then go ahead, you are all in free countries and it is your choice but remember that for an average Sikh, distancing from other Indians, will hurt more than when it benefits. For example, by your turban, you are the first targets of hate violence if there is any problem from the likes of Khomeini or Bin Laden. We other Indians can help you in such a fight or you can fight it yourself. Take your pick.

Re: # 46, 47

Harish,

I have always admired curiosity and brilliance of Indians and for that credit goes to Hindu culture since Hindus, being the super majority, form the back bone of Indian character.

However, with this credit comes the debit part. Indian sycophancy and opportunitism also derive its roots from Hindu culture. Rajiv and Indira exploited it to hilt just like British and Muslim invaders. How many Hindus took out mass protests against Rajiv after the 1984 massacres? How many Hindus died to protect those innocent Sikhs? How many influential Hindus resigned from their top jobs in protest against lack of any inquiries? How many Hindus have protested against naming all kinds of boulevards and airports after Rajiv and Indira? How many monuments have been built by Hindus in Delhi or other north Indian cities in memory of massacre victims so that people are educated and hopefully these things will not happen against any minority?

Admiration for Sikhs – Is there any other army in the world where on their website they have tab for jokes about so called “influential and admired minority” that has done so much for the country? I never knew that except a few months back another interactor had posted a link of Indian army website with Sardar jokes as a proof of “broadmindedness” of the Sikh Chief of Staff.

It’s pathetic and shows how much more the culture has to evolve.

Not that it makes any difference to those who suffered from the violence, but the perpetrators were Congress leaders out to curry favor with the new heir of the Gandhi clan, Rajiv Gandhi. Opportunists and sycophants are neither Hindu nor Muslim: they are the followers of the religion of greed.

#44 by Pardesi

Those poor Indian Sikhs know that Hindus like you are not above burning down innocent people on mass scale in front of their families, while claiming to be the most peaceful people in the world.

Yaar what rubbish are you talking? The anti-Sikh riots were indeed a shameful chapter in India`s history, but it does not mean every Hindu is out to kill a Sikh. Most Hindus admire Sikhs for the way they`ve bounced back from such a tragic calamity.

Look Mr. hamidm2, thought we are funny looking but we are proud of our custom and religion, and thanks God we are well respected every where because of our credibility and consistency, not Known as Cheater.
Even in gulf we Sikh are more respected than Pakistan as not exporting white powder.

Re: # 38

Ranjit,

People adopt to survive. Those poor Indian Sikhs know that Hindus like you are not above burning down innocent people on mass scale in front of their families, while claiming to be the most peaceful people in the world. It’s just survival instinct when you live in a tribal uncivilized culture.

A word of caution - Don’t try these stupid jokes in front of Sikhs outside India. You might get slapped.

Indo Pak fights....LOL

Carry on fighters....Our prayers are with you. hahahahaha

Let`s see which fighters are better and which ones are losers?

It looks like the ideological brothers of Urstruly have struck again - this time on the Samjhauta express going to Lahore. Most of the victims of the train attack were Pakistanis and Indian muslims, so these jihadis ended up killing their own fellow muslims. These jihadi fools have absolutely gone beserk. One day they are setting off a suicide bomb in a Islamabad hotel, next day in a Quetta courthouse, then exploding bombs on Samjhauta Express. This has just gone beyond all limits now.

It is time for all non-jihadi muslims to join forces with hindus, americans and everyone else from the civilized world to root out the jihadi menace once and for all. Close down the madrassahs, shut down all the X-e-Y type organizations with a relgious agenda, completely cutoff all sources of funding to these characters and organize massive ad campaign to wean off young people from this ideology like the anti-smoking or anti-drugs campaigns. Otherwise these people will make life hell for all Pakistanis and Indians.

#19 by Urstruly

..I have absolutely no qualms about annihilating an entire army who is occupying an internatinally disputed territory.

Its not as if you guys didn`t try it. Right from 1984 till the ceasefire, Pakistan never gave up attempts to beat India back out of Siachen. It is said that there used to be one at least skirmish every alternate day. It is just that you didn`t have the balls to win it back.

Re: # 30

ajeet,

....... please don`t take this personally, but sikhs are funny looking people ........ when it comes to coiffures and facial hair you guys are just as bad as the taliban that are running amok in bajaur agency and pakistan`s parliament ............. look, it is difficult to take a guy with his hair in a knot under a towel and his beard combed in six different directions seriously .......... if you don`t like people making fun of you, for god`s sake, do something about your appearence ............. if not, then stop whining like those fools on american idol who start crying because simon gives them a hard time and calls them fat and ugly ......... it is a cruel world ............

Ref DrDRE #29

[finally a thread that has some entertainment value - im grabbing the popcorn & soda]

That would require you to pull your thumb out of your butt!

Re:ajeet and pardesi

Come on guys, take a chill pill. Whats with all this political correctness? I know sikhs who crack the most exquisite sikh jokhs that one can imagine. So lets not get all holier than thou!!

Re: # 30

Ajeet, the sub-continent is cursed with horrible Hindus and miserable Muslims. The only thing they agree upon, once a while is show their bias against Sikhs. Once they are through that temporary break, they start all over again ridiculing each other as entertainment.

The reason is very simple – Sikhism tried to integrate best of both religions and pointed out shallowness of many of their beliefs and therefore earned their permanent enmity. The land seems to be cursed with hatred. Gautam Buddha, Guru Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh and Mahatma Gandhi have come and gone. These folks will never improve. They are either stuck with sand land’s 7th century culture or monkey / elephant / snake gods and dips in filthy rivers.