Indian Shuakat Aziz and Pakistani Manmohan Singh
Shahnawaz Farooqui February 16, 2007
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#2 Posted by swarrier on February 16, 2007 11:55:19 am
Daayum, this was so good I was thinking of reading it as a bedtime story for my two year old except I balked at the bad grammar, bad english and the really bad spelling of ``hanki``.
What use is a ``hanki`` without a ``panki``?
You don`t want to corrupt impressionable young minds.
What use is a ``hanki`` without a ``panki``?
You don`t want to corrupt impressionable young minds.
#3 Posted by nutcasejob on February 16, 2007 12:31:33 pm
In all my 7 years of reading chowk silently this piece has to take the cake. After reading this article, ihave been humming
Ding dong bell
pussy in the well
who put her in
little America kin
Whatever next!
Ding dong bell
pussy in the well
who put her in
little America kin
Whatever next!
#5 Posted by sadna on February 16, 2007 1:00:14 pm
Letter to Editor, The Asian Age
Manmohan Singh’s appointment as FM
Sir, M.J. Akbar’s Byline of February 4, A Prattler’s Rattle, refers to Dr Ashok Mitra’s new
book, A Prattler’s Tale: Bengal, Marxism and Governance. In the book Dr Mitra has revealed that to bail India out of a critical foreign exchange position, the US administration sought P.V. Narasimha Rao’s agreement to the appointment of a finance minister nominated by the IMF and the World Bank after consultations with US authorities. It is also stated that the first person whose name was proposed by Washington DC declined the invitation. M.J. Akbar has rightly called this a startling revelation. Let me reveal something that may throw some light because of my own involvement.
During the 1991 elections to the Lok Sabha, I was assisting the late Rajiv Gandhi as a principal aide with a team of some very close associates that included Sam Pitroda. The team worked only for Rajiv Gandhi (RG, as we referred to him). I was the link between the team and the Congress Party’s Central Election Committee presided over by P.V. Narasimha Rao. I attended all meetings and conveyed RG’s instructions and decisions. As such I was working closely with PV at the time of RG’s assassination.
In the aftermath, I got involved with almost all matters during the transition including PV’s nomination as Prime Minister by the party’s Working Committee, till P.C. Alexander was summoned by PV to assist in the formation of his ministerial team. I am mentioning this as a background to what I know about what Dr Ashok Mitra has ``revealed.``
As mentioned in my book, Working with Rajiv Gandhi (Harper Collins, 1995), by 15 May 1991, RG sensed that he would be back in power. He asked me to start preparations to assume responsibility. As stated on page 222 of the book, we had already started preparations and Sam Pitroda had on his laptop a seven-page document. We knew that the first priority would be the appointment of a highly qualified economist with sound knowledge of financial management, and one who also commanded the trust of the IMF and the World Bank as finance minister. RG tentatively cleared three names. These included Dr I.G. Patel, Dr Manmohan Singh and someone whose name need not be revealed. Sam Pitroda and I knew Dr I.G. Patel very well, he, because of a Baroda connection, and I since my days with the commerce ministry in 1965, and later in the United Nations. IG was then director of the London School of Economics. We failed to secure his agreement.
Dr Manmohan Singh, if I recollect correctly, was at that time out of India on an important assignment. RG asked me to visit Bombay and find out his whereabouts through Venkitaramanan, Reserve Bank of India governor. I was also to meet some selected persons from financial and economic circles in Bombay. As stated in my book, I was on my way to Bombay when I learnt of RG’s assassination. I immediately returned to Delhi and got involved in political activities centred round the nomination of the president of the Congress Party. As soon as it was clear that PV as president of the party would be the candidate for PM’s post, I briefed him on several matters we were dealing with, prior to RG’s death. Especially the fact that RG had cleared the name of Dr Manmohan Singh in case Dr I.G. Patel was not available. Dr P.C. Alexander in his book, Through the Corridors of Power (Harper Collins, 2004), has described when and how he sought Dr Manmohan Singh’s agreement for appointment to that post. Thus Dr Manmohan Singh was appointed as finance minister.
There is another matter in Dr Mitra’s book to which M.J. Akbar has drawn attention: ``Washington sought an implicit guarantee ... that ‘the IMF and the World Bank would nominate the finance minister of the country after consultations with the US authorities’.`` About this, at this stage, let me only state that the financial crisis was so severe that the United States’ representatives on the IMF and the World Bank had started seriously looking into the post-election scenario and how to bail India out of the economic crisis. However, to the best of my knowledge, there was no name proposed for the post of finance minister. In any case, the person for that post had already been selected by RG. PV had accepted the name without reservation.
R.D. Pradhan
Former Governor of Arunachal Pradesh
Mumbai
Manmohan Singh’s appointment as FM
Sir, M.J. Akbar’s Byline of February 4, A Prattler’s Rattle, refers to Dr Ashok Mitra’s new
book, A Prattler’s Tale: Bengal, Marxism and Governance. In the book Dr Mitra has revealed that to bail India out of a critical foreign exchange position, the US administration sought P.V. Narasimha Rao’s agreement to the appointment of a finance minister nominated by the IMF and the World Bank after consultations with US authorities. It is also stated that the first person whose name was proposed by Washington DC declined the invitation. M.J. Akbar has rightly called this a startling revelation. Let me reveal something that may throw some light because of my own involvement.
During the 1991 elections to the Lok Sabha, I was assisting the late Rajiv Gandhi as a principal aide with a team of some very close associates that included Sam Pitroda. The team worked only for Rajiv Gandhi (RG, as we referred to him). I was the link between the team and the Congress Party’s Central Election Committee presided over by P.V. Narasimha Rao. I attended all meetings and conveyed RG’s instructions and decisions. As such I was working closely with PV at the time of RG’s assassination.
In the aftermath, I got involved with almost all matters during the transition including PV’s nomination as Prime Minister by the party’s Working Committee, till P.C. Alexander was summoned by PV to assist in the formation of his ministerial team. I am mentioning this as a background to what I know about what Dr Ashok Mitra has ``revealed.``
As mentioned in my book, Working with Rajiv Gandhi (Harper Collins, 1995), by 15 May 1991, RG sensed that he would be back in power. He asked me to start preparations to assume responsibility. As stated on page 222 of the book, we had already started preparations and Sam Pitroda had on his laptop a seven-page document. We knew that the first priority would be the appointment of a highly qualified economist with sound knowledge of financial management, and one who also commanded the trust of the IMF and the World Bank as finance minister. RG tentatively cleared three names. These included Dr I.G. Patel, Dr Manmohan Singh and someone whose name need not be revealed. Sam Pitroda and I knew Dr I.G. Patel very well, he, because of a Baroda connection, and I since my days with the commerce ministry in 1965, and later in the United Nations. IG was then director of the London School of Economics. We failed to secure his agreement.
Dr Manmohan Singh, if I recollect correctly, was at that time out of India on an important assignment. RG asked me to visit Bombay and find out his whereabouts through Venkitaramanan, Reserve Bank of India governor. I was also to meet some selected persons from financial and economic circles in Bombay. As stated in my book, I was on my way to Bombay when I learnt of RG’s assassination. I immediately returned to Delhi and got involved in political activities centred round the nomination of the president of the Congress Party. As soon as it was clear that PV as president of the party would be the candidate for PM’s post, I briefed him on several matters we were dealing with, prior to RG’s death. Especially the fact that RG had cleared the name of Dr Manmohan Singh in case Dr I.G. Patel was not available. Dr P.C. Alexander in his book, Through the Corridors of Power (Harper Collins, 2004), has described when and how he sought Dr Manmohan Singh’s agreement for appointment to that post. Thus Dr Manmohan Singh was appointed as finance minister.
There is another matter in Dr Mitra’s book to which M.J. Akbar has drawn attention: ``Washington sought an implicit guarantee ... that ‘the IMF and the World Bank would nominate the finance minister of the country after consultations with the US authorities’.`` About this, at this stage, let me only state that the financial crisis was so severe that the United States’ representatives on the IMF and the World Bank had started seriously looking into the post-election scenario and how to bail India out of the economic crisis. However, to the best of my knowledge, there was no name proposed for the post of finance minister. In any case, the person for that post had already been selected by RG. PV had accepted the name without reservation.
R.D. Pradhan
Former Governor of Arunachal Pradesh
Mumbai
#6 Posted by Indian on February 16, 2007 1:00:50 pm
My ratings on this article ....
UTTER BULLSHIT !!!!!
UTTER BULLSHIT !!!!!
#7 Posted by chaltahai on February 16, 2007 1:30:35 pm
``Oxford and Howard``? hahahahaha...this has got to be the stupidest thing ever written on chowk..
Idiotic commies...40 yrs of shackling the Indian entrepreneurial spirit and idiotic gandhi swadeshi mantra bullsiht, were the golden days to these sihtbirds.
Idiotic commies...40 yrs of shackling the Indian entrepreneurial spirit and idiotic gandhi swadeshi mantra bullsiht, were the golden days to these sihtbirds.
#8 Posted by arjun2 on February 16, 2007 1:34:10 pm
Mr. M. J. Akbar has unveiled an open secret.
Is the author an idiot? M.J. Akbar hasn`t unveiled squat...it`s the commie Mitra dude who is making the allegation....
#9 Posted by Netizen on February 16, 2007 1:40:16 pm
bj`s article gets deleted while ``conspiracy`` theories like this one get posted on FP!
this should belong to the humor-section of chowk (if there is any).
this should belong to the humor-section of chowk (if there is any).
#11 Posted by DrDr on February 16, 2007 2:14:30 pm
pay no heed 2 these losers Mr. Farooqui. U & i know that these guys r just amrikan stooges;)
#12 Posted by dullabhatti on February 16, 2007 2:34:39 pm
If it is true that Shaukat Aziz and Manmohan Singh are sent by the US govt to govern these countries it means only one thing...and that is that US has very good intentions for the well being of poor souls of these nations.:) Just imagine US sending asome corrupt souls like Zia or Indira instead.:-)
#13 Posted by pmishra2 on February 16, 2007 3:19:31 pm
Do you know who Ashok Mitra is?
He is one of the most ideological and hateful of the west bengal communists. He was the finance minister during the 70s when I lived in Calcutta. He single-handedly destroyed most of bengal`s industrial base. He supported violence against the ``enemies of the people`` - meaning anyone who wanted to do constructive work. In one family I know, the father committed suicide after he was repeatedly harassed and beatern at work. His crime - he was a manager of a small factory. The goverment did nothing - the goverment of ashok mitra and jyoti basu.
He still writes articles full of crazy anti-american non-logic. My guess is that he is mentally ill, I hope the situation of improvement in west bengal causes him a lot of pain.
He is one of the most ideological and hateful of the west bengal communists. He was the finance minister during the 70s when I lived in Calcutta. He single-handedly destroyed most of bengal`s industrial base. He supported violence against the ``enemies of the people`` - meaning anyone who wanted to do constructive work. In one family I know, the father committed suicide after he was repeatedly harassed and beatern at work. His crime - he was a manager of a small factory. The goverment did nothing - the goverment of ashok mitra and jyoti basu.
He still writes articles full of crazy anti-american non-logic. My guess is that he is mentally ill, I hope the situation of improvement in west bengal causes him a lot of pain.
#14 Posted by Ranjit on February 16, 2007 3:24:23 pm
It looks like the mentally retarded communists and the mentally retarded jihadis are forging one grand alliance of retardation. One wont let you earn a living and the other wont let you live at all. God save us!!
#15 Posted by viclum on February 16, 2007 3:45:17 pm
Re: # 8
A hallmark of all genuine idiots is their delusional persistence in face of reality. So, for them, it is India that requested US intervention on Kargil and a very neighborly Nawaz Sharif flew to Washington to meet Clinton on the US independence day! He of course couldn`t delay for 24 hours because that would have meant death of more Indian soldiers from cold and hunger. Yes, fellas, stay just like that only for a few years again and Indians won`t have to worry about your being there as a nation.
A hallmark of all genuine idiots is their delusional persistence in face of reality. So, for them, it is India that requested US intervention on Kargil and a very neighborly Nawaz Sharif flew to Washington to meet Clinton on the US independence day! He of course couldn`t delay for 24 hours because that would have meant death of more Indian soldiers from cold and hunger. Yes, fellas, stay just like that only for a few years again and Indians won`t have to worry about your being there as a nation.
#16 Posted by Shah2 on February 16, 2007 3:55:21 pm
#14 If Fanatic Modi can have peoples mandate of hinutva BJp in his state
atleast W Bengal does not kill its own people
bsides it is Bengalis state not Gujratis and the are entiteledto communist ideology just as Modi to his Hindutva
atleast W Bengal does not kill its own people
bsides it is Bengalis state not Gujratis and the are entiteledto communist ideology just as Modi to his Hindutva
#17 Posted by stuka on February 16, 2007 4:27:31 pm
HAHAHA!! Great Article...damn Manmohan and Shaukat!!!
#18 Posted by harimau on February 16, 2007 5:33:04 pm
With an American stooge in power in India, we produce nearly a million cars (of various foreign makes) with modern technology, export several tens of thousands of them, sell the rest of them to Indians. We also make and sell about two million two-wheelers. And our forex reserves have reached $184 billion. Our students get jobs immediately after graduation that pay them more than what their fathers earned at the end of their 30-year career, both in numbers and in purchasing power.
With a Russian stooge (Nehru, Indira Gandhi) in power, we produced less than 35,000 1954-vintage cars in India, one made a deposit on a car and waited 7 years for delivery and a Lambretta scooter couldn`t be had for love or money. And our forex reserves went so low we had to ship our gold holdings to the Bank of England before we were given a loan to tide us over the crisis.
Looks like American stooges are far better than Russian stooges anyday.
With a Russian stooge (Nehru, Indira Gandhi) in power, we produced less than 35,000 1954-vintage cars in India, one made a deposit on a car and waited 7 years for delivery and a Lambretta scooter couldn`t be had for love or money. And our forex reserves went so low we had to ship our gold holdings to the Bank of England before we were given a loan to tide us over the crisis.
Looks like American stooges are far better than Russian stooges anyday.
#19 Posted by anil on February 16, 2007 7:31:11 pm
Harimau:
You cannot blame Nehru for the delays he achieved institutionalization of democracy, education as the foundation for India, and independence for your generation to excel. Do you honestly believe India would have gotten all the foreign direct investment for its needs in those days, when the competition was submissive Japan, S. Korea and Taiwan?
Regarding Indira Gandhi, do you think Morarji Desai would have delivered Bangladesh and ensure long term stability for is now emerging as India. Nixon had to be put on the otherside of the table to implement and she did it. No other Indian leader of the time could have done.
Apply integral calculas on Indian scene, there can be only one conclusion India was blessed to have leaders who rose to the ocassion. I only wish, Pakistan also blessed with such leaders. What Sadna calls invest in flow of hatred, would have been miniscule.
Chalthai:
Dr. Asoke Mitra lost his credibility long ago, and has now lost his marbels also. Dr. Mitra and company not only messed up the largest industrial in India or the time, but also delayed thru his cohorts in planning commission the advent of market economy, through command control economy.
Dr. Man Mohan Singh is a class act in himself. There is some thing common about communists and fundamentalists (Islamic all others), that they see and write a mathemtically tight hypothesis of conspiracies in every thing. Even Shaukat Aziz would call it such an honor to be compared to MMS, it is too big a favor to put the two in the same league. If MMS can remain active for two more elections, India`s market reforms will be complete, and its postion in the region and the world will be unchallenged.
You cannot blame Nehru for the delays he achieved institutionalization of democracy, education as the foundation for India, and independence for your generation to excel. Do you honestly believe India would have gotten all the foreign direct investment for its needs in those days, when the competition was submissive Japan, S. Korea and Taiwan?
Regarding Indira Gandhi, do you think Morarji Desai would have delivered Bangladesh and ensure long term stability for is now emerging as India. Nixon had to be put on the otherside of the table to implement and she did it. No other Indian leader of the time could have done.
Apply integral calculas on Indian scene, there can be only one conclusion India was blessed to have leaders who rose to the ocassion. I only wish, Pakistan also blessed with such leaders. What Sadna calls invest in flow of hatred, would have been miniscule.
Chalthai:
Dr. Asoke Mitra lost his credibility long ago, and has now lost his marbels also. Dr. Mitra and company not only messed up the largest industrial in India or the time, but also delayed thru his cohorts in planning commission the advent of market economy, through command control economy.
Dr. Man Mohan Singh is a class act in himself. There is some thing common about communists and fundamentalists (Islamic all others), that they see and write a mathemtically tight hypothesis of conspiracies in every thing. Even Shaukat Aziz would call it such an honor to be compared to MMS, it is too big a favor to put the two in the same league. If MMS can remain active for two more elections, India`s market reforms will be complete, and its postion in the region and the world will be unchallenged.
#20 Posted by nasah on February 16, 2007 8:20:08 pm
``NEW DELHI: India has curiously kept its silence over a reported comment by a former US disarmament official, Stephen Rademaker, who said India was ``coerced`` into voting against Iran at the IAEA in 2005.
The remarks, which raised the spectre of the political minefield that India walked through in those days, are certain to create a political storm yet again as the government heads into a session in Parliament hoping to keep their Communist allies quiet.
US ambassador David Mulford, however, issued a statement denying Rademaker`s contention.
He said, ``It has always been the US position that India will make decisions on the Iran issue based on its own national interests.
We respect the government of India`s decisions on this matter.``(AP)
Of course -- ``It has always been the US position that India will make decisions on the Iran issue based on its own national interests``-- as the heavy-water boy for the National Interests of the United State -- what is good for Uncle Bush is good for Nephew Pranab and Chacha Shaukat Singh.
``We respect the government of India`s decisions on this matter.`` -- even though it is in favor of US National Interest.....:)
The remarks, which raised the spectre of the political minefield that India walked through in those days, are certain to create a political storm yet again as the government heads into a session in Parliament hoping to keep their Communist allies quiet.
US ambassador David Mulford, however, issued a statement denying Rademaker`s contention.
He said, ``It has always been the US position that India will make decisions on the Iran issue based on its own national interests.
We respect the government of India`s decisions on this matter.``(AP)
Of course -- ``It has always been the US position that India will make decisions on the Iran issue based on its own national interests``-- as the heavy-water boy for the National Interests of the United State -- what is good for Uncle Bush is good for Nephew Pranab and Chacha Shaukat Singh.
``We respect the government of India`s decisions on this matter.`` -- even though it is in favor of US National Interest.....:)
#21 Posted by arjun2 on February 16, 2007 8:32:28 pm
#20 by nasah on February 16, 2007 8:20pm PT
``We respect the government of India`s decisions on this matter.`` -- even though it is in favor of US National Interest.....:)
Americans eat with their mouth...Go on..take a stand against America..use an alternate orifice...that`ll really show them imperialist basterds
``We respect the government of India`s decisions on this matter.`` -- even though it is in favor of US National Interest.....:)
Americans eat with their mouth...Go on..take a stand against America..use an alternate orifice...that`ll really show them imperialist basterds
#22 Posted by bulleya on February 16, 2007 8:35:16 pm
anil #19: ``Regarding Indira Gandhi, do you think Morarji Desai would have delivered Bangladesh``
could you explain this in more detail.........
could you explain this in more detail.........
#23 Posted by harimau on February 16, 2007 8:41:58 pm
Ref nasah #20
How and why would a nuclear-armed Iran be in India`s national interests?
How and why would a nuclear-armed Iran be in India`s national interests?
#24 Posted by harimau on February 16, 2007 8:43:57 pm
Ref bulleya #22
[anil #19: ``Regarding Indira Gandhi, do you think Morarji Desai would have delivered Bangladesh``
could you explain this in more detail.........]
Easy. This is the standard line of the Nehru-Indira Gandhi-Rajiv Gandhi-Sonia Gandhi chamchas.
[anil #19: ``Regarding Indira Gandhi, do you think Morarji Desai would have delivered Bangladesh``
could you explain this in more detail.........]
Easy. This is the standard line of the Nehru-Indira Gandhi-Rajiv Gandhi-Sonia Gandhi chamchas.
#25 Posted by Urstruly on February 16, 2007 8:47:36 pm
I have absolutely no doubt about MJ Akbar`s thesis. All empirical and circumstancial evidence attests to its voracity.
The most interesting aspect is the way Indian media and propaganda machinery feeds the pro-US-ism thru movies, sitcoms etc. to its general public. It is almost identical to how it is done in Pakistan. At least in Pakistani media, the CIA has been spending handsome amount of dollars since 1979, for obvious reason of Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and Revolution in Iran, but in case of India it makes me wonder whether baniya is doing all that at his own expense or it comes from washigton?
#26 Posted by anil on February 16, 2007 8:57:49 pm
Re: # 22
Romair:
Believe it or not I knew you would ask me, as I was typing this. Only Indira Gandhi could have put Nixon on the other side of the table, Morarji Desai who was her contemporary was too much of a Gandhian, pro-west to have played Nixon and Brehznev. I heard Kissinger on ABC`s nightline on the night of her death, telling Ted Koppel that she really pro-Indian, not pro-west or pro-Soviet. He also acknowledged that she personally aced her way with both super powers of the time.
This game was essential, unless India was to go and help Bangladeshis for loose.
Romair:
Believe it or not I knew you would ask me, as I was typing this. Only Indira Gandhi could have put Nixon on the other side of the table, Morarji Desai who was her contemporary was too much of a Gandhian, pro-west to have played Nixon and Brehznev. I heard Kissinger on ABC`s nightline on the night of her death, telling Ted Koppel that she really pro-Indian, not pro-west or pro-Soviet. He also acknowledged that she personally aced her way with both super powers of the time.
This game was essential, unless India was to go and help Bangladeshis for loose.
#27 Posted by SRK on February 16, 2007 9:30:00 pm
For a moment lets forget the premise that MMS is appointed by US. What are the achievements of the prior 40 yrs of government`s that are appointed by Indians. I would say there are very few. For any 10 accomplishments they have 100 disastrous policies. All this talk of MMS being appointed by US is peddled by the communists and fueled by the disgruntled ex and current congress politicians.
If you look back into late 80`s and early 90`s the country was in shambles because of the mindless policies of VP Singh and Chandrasekhar. These so called secular and independent political leaders tore apart the country in the name of reservations and pseudo secularism.
The last 14 yrs have been really great for India compared to any other 14 years in independent India`s history.
If you look back into late 80`s and early 90`s the country was in shambles because of the mindless policies of VP Singh and Chandrasekhar. These so called secular and independent political leaders tore apart the country in the name of reservations and pseudo secularism.
The last 14 yrs have been really great for India compared to any other 14 years in independent India`s history.
#28 Posted by ballukhan on February 16, 2007 10:08:56 pm
``After these revelations of Dr. Ashok Mitra, we have become still more confident in our opinion that the Kargil Operation was also an essentially American-European Project. ``
The khurafaat of these conspiracy theorists become manifold when the Marxist Conspiracy Theorists join hands with the Islamist Conspiracy Theorists.
What a laughable thesis presented. This looks like a planted story on the chowk to misguide gullible people.
The khurafaat of these conspiracy theorists become manifold when the Marxist Conspiracy Theorists join hands with the Islamist Conspiracy Theorists.
What a laughable thesis presented. This looks like a planted story on the chowk to misguide gullible people.
#29 Posted by ballukhan on February 16, 2007 10:13:26 pm
After reading the comments from my fellow indian I am absolutely certain that this is a story that is planted deliberately by some Jernail Bootlicker who khows the Chowk editor personally.
#30 Posted by zeemax on February 17, 2007 12:38:14 am
Author,
Thanks for the expose`.
This is why while growth rate in the middle class 30% of the country is 9%, in the dirt-poor rural 70% of the country it is 2.7%. MM Singh is doing his job real well.
Thanks for the expose`.
This is why while growth rate in the middle class 30% of the country is 9%, in the dirt-poor rural 70% of the country it is 2.7%. MM Singh is doing his job real well.
#31 Posted by masanamuthu on February 17, 2007 6:49:27 am
If Manmohan is a American plant, then M.J.Akbar is a Saudi-arabian plant. Atleast it is better to believe in an American plant.
#32 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 17, 2007 7:49:21 am
Re: # 31 Both PMs of both countries are part of elites who control masses and are in turn controlled by Western elites. Those who criticized Prof. M.Asadi should study him for his materful commentary rather than first neglect him, then say bad things about his thoughts. He comes like a morning bright sunshiine after clouds then retards start personal attacks on him. If blind can not see Sun is not fault of Sun but is problems od eyesight. Earlier USA elites micromanaged Pakistani govt and now elites have started macromanaging indian govt and later it will faithful dog as pakistan, exploiting masses to please western elites who are exploits western masses. Tata, Mittal, Birla etc are all dogs of Indian elites sent to harrass poor people od world who are now firing white people and exploiting part of elite exploiters.People are mad in all over world who work in steel industry as Mittal is firing people same tata said no job security for english steel hard working as he says wants to rightsize, a new elite word from Vocabulary. That way these westerners are shameless people. Their forefathers ruled raj and all elites of des was slave to them but if they want to Indian bosses then they deserve what they get. I have no sympathy for such slavish people. I have that way respect for Bengala desi people as they said no Tata even when he was saying to invest 5 billion there build steel plant, powerplan and fertiliser plant useing gas on Bay of bengal. Hats off to such people than shameless western people who are happy to work hard and die for indian elite businessmen.
Now M.Qureshi of pakistan PM = MM sing of India, both were not elected, Mr. Singh can not vote in Parlment as he is not elected but defeated candidate for national assembly.
Now he does not need to be told of elite agenda , he is going to destroy all baniyas of India by Walmart company. Surprisingly still he has to follow Mrs Gandhiji and walmart will not come as Mrs Gandhiji has said Singh should think of poor small baniyas ( she is daughter of shopkeeper), so Indian baniyas are saved or calamity would fall on India. Fortunately trader lobby is strong here and PM S.A. will no dare to bring Walmart here.
All people its good time to go to shool and study Prof. M.Asadi , what he wrote profetically and he has not only analysed situation. Up to now philosophers have explained things but he does same and better suggests how to keep your personal integrity and freedom.
Good night every body.
Now M.Qureshi of pakistan PM = MM sing of India, both were not elected, Mr. Singh can not vote in Parlment as he is not elected but defeated candidate for national assembly.
Now he does not need to be told of elite agenda , he is going to destroy all baniyas of India by Walmart company. Surprisingly still he has to follow Mrs Gandhiji and walmart will not come as Mrs Gandhiji has said Singh should think of poor small baniyas ( she is daughter of shopkeeper), so Indian baniyas are saved or calamity would fall on India. Fortunately trader lobby is strong here and PM S.A. will no dare to bring Walmart here.
All people its good time to go to shool and study Prof. M.Asadi , what he wrote profetically and he has not only analysed situation. Up to now philosophers have explained things but he does same and better suggests how to keep your personal integrity and freedom.
Good night every body.
#33 Posted by TOLKININ on February 17, 2007 7:59:16 am
India warning on globalisation
Professor Stiglitz says globalisation has spurred India`s economy
A Nobel-prize winning US economist has warned that public services could suffer in countries like India as a result of globalisation.
Professor Joseph Stiglitz told the BBC News website that globalisation had led to lower tariffs, an important source of public revenue.
``A decline in tariff leads to less money for the governments to spend on its people,`` Professor Stiglitz said.
He won the Nobel Prize in 2001 for his work on the economics of information.
The 63-year-old economist`s book Globalization And Its Discontents is a scathing critique of how international financial and trade organisations are affecting economies and societies.
Professor Stiglitz said globalisation had played an important trigger in the buoyant Indian economy - it grew at over 9% in the six months to this September. But he said it had been given too much credit for the growth.
``Much of [India`s] early growth [after liberalising the economy in 1991] came from a change in internal government policies - from anti-business to more market friendly policies,`` he said.
``I feel some excess credit was given to external liberalisation rather than internal liberalisation for India`s economic growth.``
Meltdown fears
Professor Stiglitz said that India also gained by its investments in sectors of higher education, which helped the country to reap the benefits of the information technology revolution.
The Indian infotech industry is expected to exceed $36bn in revenues this fiscal year, a growth of nearly 28% over last year. Export earnings contributed to 64% of the revenues. .............................................................
Professor Stiglitz says globalisation has spurred India`s economy
A Nobel-prize winning US economist has warned that public services could suffer in countries like India as a result of globalisation.
Professor Joseph Stiglitz told the BBC News website that globalisation had led to lower tariffs, an important source of public revenue.
``A decline in tariff leads to less money for the governments to spend on its people,`` Professor Stiglitz said.
He won the Nobel Prize in 2001 for his work on the economics of information.
The 63-year-old economist`s book Globalization And Its Discontents is a scathing critique of how international financial and trade organisations are affecting economies and societies.
Professor Stiglitz said globalisation had played an important trigger in the buoyant Indian economy - it grew at over 9% in the six months to this September. But he said it had been given too much credit for the growth.
``Much of [India`s] early growth [after liberalising the economy in 1991] came from a change in internal government policies - from anti-business to more market friendly policies,`` he said.
``I feel some excess credit was given to external liberalisation rather than internal liberalisation for India`s economic growth.``
Meltdown fears
Professor Stiglitz said that India also gained by its investments in sectors of higher education, which helped the country to reap the benefits of the information technology revolution.
The Indian infotech industry is expected to exceed $36bn in revenues this fiscal year, a growth of nearly 28% over last year. Export earnings contributed to 64% of the revenues. .............................................................
#34 Posted by TOLKININ on February 17, 2007 8:00:39 am
You can read whole article at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6195617.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6195617.stm
#35 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 17, 2007 8:24:31 am
Re: # 28
B.Khan , I agree with you Kargul was not planned by USA but by Gen M. If he had full power clinton could not have dared to control him. Due to unnecessary and shameless retreat from victory and refrained from final boundary adjustment it was permanant loss as primeminister could not bring himself to tell his commander in chief to snatch and instead he forced withdrawal and loss of face and loss of victory. Army and freedom fighter just waited and waited but final order of toatal victory never came is tragedy. That is reason when he took over people went happy with joy. Unfortunately the situation economically became bad and just like reheated food does not taste good, one can not repeat original victory. tHIS IS ONE REASONARMY SHOULD COMMAND NOT USELESS pmS AS OPPORTUNITY KNOWS ONLY ONCE AND IF YOU DONOT ANSWER THEY KICK BUTS AFTERWARDS. PM NS was disgrace he snatched defeat in face of all out victory and final solution of K problem.
B.Khan , I agree with you Kargul was not planned by USA but by Gen M. If he had full power clinton could not have dared to control him. Due to unnecessary and shameless retreat from victory and refrained from final boundary adjustment it was permanant loss as primeminister could not bring himself to tell his commander in chief to snatch and instead he forced withdrawal and loss of face and loss of victory. Army and freedom fighter just waited and waited but final order of toatal victory never came is tragedy. That is reason when he took over people went happy with joy. Unfortunately the situation economically became bad and just like reheated food does not taste good, one can not repeat original victory. tHIS IS ONE REASONARMY SHOULD COMMAND NOT USELESS pmS AS OPPORTUNITY KNOWS ONLY ONCE AND IF YOU DONOT ANSWER THEY KICK BUTS AFTERWARDS. PM NS was disgrace he snatched defeat in face of all out victory and final solution of K problem.
#36 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 17, 2007 8:44:41 am
Re: # 18
India has all cars but no modern road network to drive on them ?
India has all cars but no modern road network to drive on them ?
#37 Posted by chaltahai on February 17, 2007 8:57:49 am
SRK: ``The last 14 yrs have been really great for India compared to any other 14 years in independent India`s history.``
I could argue that the past 16 years have been better than at any point in India`s history. Including the days when India was rocking 20% of global trade. Disribution of wealth is far more egalitarian now than ever under the various rulers of India. India may have been rich..but indians were poor and without hope. each % point of GDP growth over 5% takes 10`s of milion out of poverty every year. Maybe Mitra should have thought about taking part in this boom rather than decrying it.
I could argue that the past 16 years have been better than at any point in India`s history. Including the days when India was rocking 20% of global trade. Disribution of wealth is far more egalitarian now than ever under the various rulers of India. India may have been rich..but indians were poor and without hope. each % point of GDP growth over 5% takes 10`s of milion out of poverty every year. Maybe Mitra should have thought about taking part in this boom rather than decrying it.
#38 Posted by mohar11 on February 17, 2007 9:04:00 am
Re: # 36
India will have a good road network very quickly, only if commies like-minded people allow the road building and investments to go on.... after an initial fast pace of road building, the pace has slowed down to a crawl after congress and commies came to power...
India will have a good road network very quickly, only if commies like-minded people allow the road building and investments to go on.... after an initial fast pace of road building, the pace has slowed down to a crawl after congress and commies came to power...
#39 Posted by mohar11 on February 17, 2007 9:10:46 am
Just curious - did anybody accused Deng Xiaoping of China as an american agent, when he carried out the reforms in china?... after all, the chinese were the original commies and were in even worse shape economically when Mr Xiaoping started his reforms... India is a late traveller in this road and is following the same principles as done in china...
What do commies like Ashok Mitra and other assorted l0sers have to say about that?...
What do commies like Ashok Mitra and other assorted l0sers have to say about that?...
#40 Posted by mohar11 on February 17, 2007 9:22:11 am
Re: # 37
People like Mitra are a bunch of commie dead-enders... these people should actually been prpsecuted for turning the country into destitution, but that would be too much to ask for...
But the least we could do is expose these losers and invalidate their stupidity... instead, we have ``intellectuals`` like MJ Akbar writing articles on Mitra`s rants as if commies are epitomes of truth and competency...
I guess, we just have to wait out these dead-enders... for some reason, these people don`t even die quick... that other commie jacka$$ Jyoti basu is still alive at 95 or something... :)
People like Mitra are a bunch of commie dead-enders... these people should actually been prpsecuted for turning the country into destitution, but that would be too much to ask for...
But the least we could do is expose these losers and invalidate their stupidity... instead, we have ``intellectuals`` like MJ Akbar writing articles on Mitra`s rants as if commies are epitomes of truth and competency...
I guess, we just have to wait out these dead-enders... for some reason, these people don`t even die quick... that other commie jacka$$ Jyoti basu is still alive at 95 or something... :)
#41 Posted by hamidm2 on February 17, 2007 9:56:12 am
Re: # 40
mohar mian,
we will happily trade you our dead-ender mullahs for your communists ...... sooner or later your idiotic communists will see the foolishness of their ideology, on the other hand, our mullahs will never give up their stupidity ......
`` India`s Communists fear that these rising parties may eat much deeper into the vote. With that in mind, rather than risking a move towards the liberal centrists, as left-wing parties have done in many European countries, the Indian Communists are clinging all the harder to what makes them distinctive¯their ideology. Expect the busts of Lenin to go on grinning malignly in the Communists` Delhi headquarters, no matter how liberally the party rules in West Bengal¯at least until the building gets sold to Wal-Mart. (economist)``
mohar mian,
we will happily trade you our dead-ender mullahs for your communists ...... sooner or later your idiotic communists will see the foolishness of their ideology, on the other hand, our mullahs will never give up their stupidity ......
`` India`s Communists fear that these rising parties may eat much deeper into the vote. With that in mind, rather than risking a move towards the liberal centrists, as left-wing parties have done in many European countries, the Indian Communists are clinging all the harder to what makes them distinctive¯their ideology. Expect the busts of Lenin to go on grinning malignly in the Communists` Delhi headquarters, no matter how liberally the party rules in West Bengal¯at least until the building gets sold to Wal-Mart. (economist)``
#42 Posted by mohar11 on February 17, 2007 9:59:15 am
Re: # 30
Rural area will grow fast too, if commies allow the policies that are needed... rural area needs roads, electricity, crop insurance, cold storage, flexible agri market, fast access to market etc, etc... the money for this can easily be gathered from the privatization of numerous white elephant public sector companies... but commies don`t allow it - all in name of the poor - even though those companies actually employ the middle class who are already growing a 9%...
In fact, rural economy in some well-managed areas are already growing faster, as pointed out in that BBC article posted below... places in Gujrat are already growing at pace with the chinese growth...
See - the commie stupidity in india is way complex than you can ever imagine... these guys have been strangling the poor for decades all the while crying copious tears... and trumpeting the poverty... poverty had become their ``profession`` and they progressed in that profession very well...
Now that their strangle-hold has been broken, certainly in urban areas, they are coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories... but of course, nobody listens to these losers anymore... Not even their own commie buddies... CM of bengal is trying hard to get TATA start factories in bengal...
Rural area will grow fast too, if commies allow the policies that are needed... rural area needs roads, electricity, crop insurance, cold storage, flexible agri market, fast access to market etc, etc... the money for this can easily be gathered from the privatization of numerous white elephant public sector companies... but commies don`t allow it - all in name of the poor - even though those companies actually employ the middle class who are already growing a 9%...
In fact, rural economy in some well-managed areas are already growing faster, as pointed out in that BBC article posted below... places in Gujrat are already growing at pace with the chinese growth...
See - the commie stupidity in india is way complex than you can ever imagine... these guys have been strangling the poor for decades all the while crying copious tears... and trumpeting the poverty... poverty had become their ``profession`` and they progressed in that profession very well...
Now that their strangle-hold has been broken, certainly in urban areas, they are coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories... but of course, nobody listens to these losers anymore... Not even their own commie buddies... CM of bengal is trying hard to get TATA start factories in bengal...
#43 Posted by chaltahai on February 17, 2007 10:03:18 am
$343 B in infrastructure investsments in India in the next 5 years. people are going ot be busy for a long time
#44 Posted by mohar11 on February 17, 2007 10:09:23 am
Re: # 41
True... but the difference is - your Mullahs do not really have any control over the economy... but our commies still do have a control over our economy... and that is hurting us real bad... May be commies will wisen up someday - but india can`t really afford to waste any time, india can`t afford to wait until these dinosaurs to just die out...
According to some estimate- india needs to create some 10-12 million jobs a year for all the young folks that coming into the job market...
True... but the difference is - your Mullahs do not really have any control over the economy... but our commies still do have a control over our economy... and that is hurting us real bad... May be commies will wisen up someday - but india can`t really afford to waste any time, india can`t afford to wait until these dinosaurs to just die out...
According to some estimate- india needs to create some 10-12 million jobs a year for all the young folks that coming into the job market...
#45 Posted by arjun2 on February 17, 2007 11:16:16 am
#41 by hamidm2 on February 17, 2007 9:56am PT
The followers of Mao are just as bad as the followers of Mo...don`t underestimate the self-destructive power of either....
The followers of Mao are just as bad as the followers of Mo...don`t underestimate the self-destructive power of either....
#46 Posted by harimau on February 17, 2007 7:23:41 pm
Ref ahmedmadani #36
[India has all cars but no modern road network to drive on them ?]
Automobile factories are in the private sector.
Roads are public sector... meaning, all the Brain-Dead, Retards and Quota Candidates have the jobs. What do you expect?
[India has all cars but no modern road network to drive on them ?]
Automobile factories are in the private sector.
Roads are public sector... meaning, all the Brain-Dead, Retards and Quota Candidates have the jobs. What do you expect?
#47 Posted by zeemax on February 17, 2007 11:18:54 pm
My word .. haven`t seen so many hindoos swarming like flies since the Kumbh Mela ... :~)
Haha ...
But to be fair, I really think that India`s growth is sustainable. Why I think so is because both its Savings/GDP as well as the Investment/GDP has crossed 30% which is a reliable indicator for a major take-off. China took off when these indicators crossed this benchmark (now 40% plus indicating overheating) but inflation can wipe it all off which India has to manage.
The rural sector is still largely ignored. The people who think trickle-down from urban growth will correct it are wrong. It will only result in urbanization and multiplying of slums and destruction of civic infrastructure.
As an example, from every Rupee growth in wealth in Pakistan, 41 paisas go to the top 10% incomes, 7 paisas go to the lowest 10%, and the balance is shared by everyone in between. What`s the trickle-down in India? I guess it will be about 1-2 paisa out of each Rupee going to the lowest income brackets due to all the concentration which is taking place.
So don`t start jumping up and down in celebration just yet ... :~)
Haha ...
But to be fair, I really think that India`s growth is sustainable. Why I think so is because both its Savings/GDP as well as the Investment/GDP has crossed 30% which is a reliable indicator for a major take-off. China took off when these indicators crossed this benchmark (now 40% plus indicating overheating) but inflation can wipe it all off which India has to manage.
The rural sector is still largely ignored. The people who think trickle-down from urban growth will correct it are wrong. It will only result in urbanization and multiplying of slums and destruction of civic infrastructure.
As an example, from every Rupee growth in wealth in Pakistan, 41 paisas go to the top 10% incomes, 7 paisas go to the lowest 10%, and the balance is shared by everyone in between. What`s the trickle-down in India? I guess it will be about 1-2 paisa out of each Rupee going to the lowest income brackets due to all the concentration which is taking place.
So don`t start jumping up and down in celebration just yet ... :~)
#48 Posted by mohar11 on February 18, 2007 7:10:50 am
Re: # 47
[...As an example, from every Rupee growth in wealth in Pakistan...]
Ha ha... pakiland as an example on economy?.... who in the world quotes pakiland as an example on anything?... except on jihad of course... :)
[...As an example, from every Rupee growth in wealth in Pakistan...]
Ha ha... pakiland as an example on economy?.... who in the world quotes pakiland as an example on anything?... except on jihad of course... :)
#49 Posted by arjun2 on February 18, 2007 8:09:09 am
Oh my god...what`s happening to allah`s chosen people, the pakis...first the land of the pure wants to take out all the stuff from children`s books about jihad..now the horrible hindoos from across the border are infiltrating the land of the pure...
pbuh-dude is going to have an oversupply of virgins(and young boys) if this keeps up...
Not just toons
By Arif Sayeed
Predominantly, most of the channels shown on cable these days are Indian or Hindi-oriented. Cable operators say that a large number of viewers insist on watching these channels, a fact that says a lot about home-grown productions and channels that keep mushrooming in every hue and letter of the alphabet. But that is not the issue. In all this, the children comprise a major chunk of the viewers. For those of us babysitting, the best time to feed tots is during Pingu or Dora, failing which one can wait till the Tom and Jerry show is on. The routine — adopted by me sometime ago — is effective, and by recording some of the stuff on the re-reruns later at night, babysitting becomes a piece of cake. Having the opportunity to sift through what was available, the recommended viewing remains Nickelodeon and a few shows on Cartoon Network.
One fine day, punching the remote, I found that Nickelodeon had been replaced by Nick, and something called Jadoo was on. Adding to my dismay, Spongebob Squarepants was not only dubbed in Hindi, but its various characters were also constantly calling upon Hindu deities to come to their aid. As a result, to me and scores of Pakistani-Muslim parents like me, Nickelodeon remains a much better choice than the thoroughly Indianised Nick.
The impact is such that a number of people I come across have now inducted Hindi words and phrases into their vocabulary. Moreover, some children belonging to Muslim families playfully call upon Ganesh Maharaj to resolve issues and repeatedly utter ‘Hai Bhagwan’ in dismay. Is it not enough to find most channels broadcasting Hindi/Indian programmes with a majority of ‘in house’ channels also screening Indian movies than to have innocent young minds influenced by alien cultures and religion?
The dramas on Star Plus, too, constantly refer to Hindu deities at the drop of a hat. However, since they cater to adult viewers, perhaps it is not such a serious matter. Pemra seems to be working on a purely whimsical stand and places the heat on Star Plus dramas only because they take a chunk of advertising away from local channels. But with kids it is definitely an issue. Are only laws (or the lack thereof) pertaining to women addressed in our society?
pbuh-dude is going to have an oversupply of virgins(and young boys) if this keeps up...
Not just toons
By Arif Sayeed
Predominantly, most of the channels shown on cable these days are Indian or Hindi-oriented. Cable operators say that a large number of viewers insist on watching these channels, a fact that says a lot about home-grown productions and channels that keep mushrooming in every hue and letter of the alphabet. But that is not the issue. In all this, the children comprise a major chunk of the viewers. For those of us babysitting, the best time to feed tots is during Pingu or Dora, failing which one can wait till the Tom and Jerry show is on. The routine — adopted by me sometime ago — is effective, and by recording some of the stuff on the re-reruns later at night, babysitting becomes a piece of cake. Having the opportunity to sift through what was available, the recommended viewing remains Nickelodeon and a few shows on Cartoon Network.
One fine day, punching the remote, I found that Nickelodeon had been replaced by Nick, and something called Jadoo was on. Adding to my dismay, Spongebob Squarepants was not only dubbed in Hindi, but its various characters were also constantly calling upon Hindu deities to come to their aid. As a result, to me and scores of Pakistani-Muslim parents like me, Nickelodeon remains a much better choice than the thoroughly Indianised Nick.
The impact is such that a number of people I come across have now inducted Hindi words and phrases into their vocabulary. Moreover, some children belonging to Muslim families playfully call upon Ganesh Maharaj to resolve issues and repeatedly utter ‘Hai Bhagwan’ in dismay. Is it not enough to find most channels broadcasting Hindi/Indian programmes with a majority of ‘in house’ channels also screening Indian movies than to have innocent young minds influenced by alien cultures and religion?
The dramas on Star Plus, too, constantly refer to Hindu deities at the drop of a hat. However, since they cater to adult viewers, perhaps it is not such a serious matter. Pemra seems to be working on a purely whimsical stand and places the heat on Star Plus dramas only because they take a chunk of advertising away from local channels. But with kids it is definitely an issue. Are only laws (or the lack thereof) pertaining to women addressed in our society?
#50 Posted by zeemax on February 18, 2007 10:05:48 am
#48
Of all the dumb macacas, you certainly take the cake ...
Abey ... Pakistan was quoted as a bad example of trickle-down, and hindooland is worse ...
Of all the dumb macacas, you certainly take the cake ...
Abey ... Pakistan was quoted as a bad example of trickle-down, and hindooland is worse ...
#51 Posted by Ranjit on February 18, 2007 11:33:05 am
Re:zeemax#47
[...As an example, from every Rupee growth in wealth in Pakistan, 41 paisas go to the top 10% incomes, 7 paisas go to the lowest 10%, and the balance is shared by everyone in between. What`s the trickle-down in India? I guess it will be about 1-2 paisa out of each Rupee going to the lowest income brackets due to all the concentration which is taking place....]
Zee, if you get a chance, watch the movie Guru. It is loosely based on the life of Dhirubhai Ambani, who started Reliance from scratch and made it into an industrial powerhouse in India. Since he was from very humble origins, the old guard fought him tooth and nail to stop his success - the old guard consisting of people like Ramnath Goenka, the owner of Indian Express newspaper and Nusli Wadia (of the Jinnah clan), who owns Bombay Dyeing.
Basically, the Indian economy was a closed economy till the 1990s. A very core group of elites, selected industrialists from blue-blooded families, people with political connections to Congress party, bureaucrats such as IAS officers exercised complete control over the economy using all kinds of licenses and quota regulations. They were ideologically supported by hard core socialist politicians in both Congress and Communist parties. The result was a disaster where India had no wealth left - foget about concentration and distribution issues. In fact, if things had continued for another 5 years, India would have split up like the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia, Punjab and Kashmir being just the tip of the iceberg.
The story of Dhirubhai Ambani is an apt metaphor for the vast masses of people in India who want to create wealth by producing high quality products at the lowest cost - they want a capitalist nirvana - a chance to make it. That pressure to change finally resulted in the reforms in the nineties which allowed the Indian economy to take off the way it has today. Now more and more young people want to be enterpreneurs rather than be babus and clerks. The old guard has all but been put to sword, as 300 million people have rammed their way into the priviliged world.
You are right about the rural situation. That is where the socialist and communist politicians still hold sway. The reason is that people are poor there. The rhetoric of communism/socialism resonates with people who do not have opportunities. The good news is that exposure to the media is changing the situation as people in rural areas look at what is available in the urban areas and want the same. They also wants cars and cell phones. Luckily Manmohan Singh and Chidambaram both recognize this issue and have focused quite heavily on the rural sector. Watch out as that sector finally kicks out the old guard out of the way and adopts the capitalist system. Long live Ronald Reagan!! :-)
[...As an example, from every Rupee growth in wealth in Pakistan, 41 paisas go to the top 10% incomes, 7 paisas go to the lowest 10%, and the balance is shared by everyone in between. What`s the trickle-down in India? I guess it will be about 1-2 paisa out of each Rupee going to the lowest income brackets due to all the concentration which is taking place....]
Zee, if you get a chance, watch the movie Guru. It is loosely based on the life of Dhirubhai Ambani, who started Reliance from scratch and made it into an industrial powerhouse in India. Since he was from very humble origins, the old guard fought him tooth and nail to stop his success - the old guard consisting of people like Ramnath Goenka, the owner of Indian Express newspaper and Nusli Wadia (of the Jinnah clan), who owns Bombay Dyeing.
Basically, the Indian economy was a closed economy till the 1990s. A very core group of elites, selected industrialists from blue-blooded families, people with political connections to Congress party, bureaucrats such as IAS officers exercised complete control over the economy using all kinds of licenses and quota regulations. They were ideologically supported by hard core socialist politicians in both Congress and Communist parties. The result was a disaster where India had no wealth left - foget about concentration and distribution issues. In fact, if things had continued for another 5 years, India would have split up like the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia, Punjab and Kashmir being just the tip of the iceberg.
The story of Dhirubhai Ambani is an apt metaphor for the vast masses of people in India who want to create wealth by producing high quality products at the lowest cost - they want a capitalist nirvana - a chance to make it. That pressure to change finally resulted in the reforms in the nineties which allowed the Indian economy to take off the way it has today. Now more and more young people want to be enterpreneurs rather than be babus and clerks. The old guard has all but been put to sword, as 300 million people have rammed their way into the priviliged world.
You are right about the rural situation. That is where the socialist and communist politicians still hold sway. The reason is that people are poor there. The rhetoric of communism/socialism resonates with people who do not have opportunities. The good news is that exposure to the media is changing the situation as people in rural areas look at what is available in the urban areas and want the same. They also wants cars and cell phones. Luckily Manmohan Singh and Chidambaram both recognize this issue and have focused quite heavily on the rural sector. Watch out as that sector finally kicks out the old guard out of the way and adopts the capitalist system. Long live Ronald Reagan!! :-)
#52 Posted by mohar11 on February 18, 2007 1:23:27 pm
Re: # 50
pakiland has no economy worth the name, hence no need to compare either way... the question of wealth ``trickle down`` arises only if there is any wealth is being generated in the first place. In pakiland - there is hardly any wealth creation happening at this time... all you have is a bunch of people buying stuff because of easy credit... and selling land to each other...
that`s the point - you will understand only if you take the head out of your a$$... :)))
pakiland has no economy worth the name, hence no need to compare either way... the question of wealth ``trickle down`` arises only if there is any wealth is being generated in the first place. In pakiland - there is hardly any wealth creation happening at this time... all you have is a bunch of people buying stuff because of easy credit... and selling land to each other...
that`s the point - you will understand only if you take the head out of your a$$... :)))
#53 Posted by bulleya on February 18, 2007 7:45:02 pm
......Following is a must-read survey of the Arab world carried out by Zogby Int`l and published in Newsweek.......Zogby, is a Christian Arab-American and is perhaps the authority on surveys in the US.....
......There are some interesting points.......George Bush is by far the most hated leader in the world amongst Arabs.........followed by Sharon, Olmert and Blair.......However, Hasan Nasrullah (head of Hezbollah) is by the far the most popular.......Followed by Chirac and Chavez.........This is clear proof that while Arabs and anti-USA, they certainly aren`t anti-West or anti-Christian........
.....I found the answer to the following question quite interesting.....
``If there was only one superpower in the world, which country would you want to be that superpower``.......The answers where 1. France 2. China 3. Pakistan.........Apparently, Arabs want Pakistan to be a superpower.......In Saudi Arabia and Jordan, Pakistan was ranked at the top for being superpower.........
......There are some interesting points.......George Bush is by far the most hated leader in the world amongst Arabs.........followed by Sharon, Olmert and Blair.......However, Hasan Nasrullah (head of Hezbollah) is by the far the most popular.......Followed by Chirac and Chavez.........This is clear proof that while Arabs and anti-USA, they certainly aren`t anti-West or anti-Christian........
.....I found the answer to the following question quite interesting.....
``If there was only one superpower in the world, which country would you want to be that superpower``.......The answers where 1. France 2. China 3. Pakistan.........Apparently, Arabs want Pakistan to be a superpower.......In Saudi Arabia and Jordan, Pakistan was ranked at the top for being superpower.........
#54 Posted by zeemax on February 18, 2007 10:28:23 pm
#53 by bulleya
Apparently, Arabs want Pakistan to be a superpower.......
Pls. don`t tell tahmed32 ... it`ll break his heart .. :~)
Apparently, Arabs want Pakistan to be a superpower.......
Pls. don`t tell tahmed32 ... it`ll break his heart .. :~)
#55 Posted by plats8 on February 19, 2007 12:32:16 am
#53 by Bulleya,
By the way, Chirac`s popularity amongst Arabs has to be because of the benign French
occupation of Algeria. Lots of love there.
By the way, Chirac`s popularity amongst Arabs has to be because of the benign French
occupation of Algeria. Lots of love there.
#57 Posted by Dash_Dot on February 19, 2007 3:30:22 am
Shah, yu have done a great deal of good by writing this piece, and congratulations to chowk staff for publishing it.
The article is very timely, and indeed opens up a window on events to explain some of these events. What I would have liked to have seen in addition to the above, is some analysis or statement as to who is the more successful of the two American PMs - Man Mohan Singh (ex-RBI chairperson etc), or Shaukat Aziz (ex-city banker)! And who has benefited their country more.
bravo keep it up
The article is very timely, and indeed opens up a window on events to explain some of these events. What I would have liked to have seen in addition to the above, is some analysis or statement as to who is the more successful of the two American PMs - Man Mohan Singh (ex-RBI chairperson etc), or Shaukat Aziz (ex-city banker)! And who has benefited their country more.
bravo keep it up
#58 Posted by arjun2 on February 19, 2007 5:46:27 am
#53 by bulleya on February 18, 2007 7:45pm PT
Oh my god..the arabs wish for it!!! that`s it..pakiland is sure to be a super-power now..
HAHAHA...
Oh my god..the arabs wish for it!!! that`s it..pakiland is sure to be a super-power now..
HAHAHA...
#59 Posted by nasah on February 19, 2007 7:04:52 am
Re: # 55
``Chirac`s popularity amongst Arabs has to be because of the benign French
occupation of Algeria``
French occupation of Algeria was anything but benign -- it was a bloody mess.
``Chirac`s popularity amongst Arabs has to be because of the benign French
occupation of Algeria``
French occupation of Algeria was anything but benign -- it was a bloody mess.
#60 Posted by dullabhatti on February 19, 2007 11:05:38 am
Arabs take the proverb my enemy`s enemy is my friend to the extreme. First America ia #1 enemy majorly because it is friends of Israel(arab`s eternal enemy). The Chavez and Chirac are lovely guys because they also hate America like them. One should not contstrue from this that they are appreciaitng Chirac for being christian or Chavez for being Communist. Islamists hate the west and all its idealogies (including Communism,Humanism and multi-culturalism) in entirity...it is just few individuals and groups in the west who seem to favour their viewpoint or seem to be usefull at the time that they appreciate. America is leading the Western band so it is the prime target of their viceral hate but don`t mistake the guys in the back row will be spared if the opportunity came. There is no need to bad mouth the back benchers at every point, they can be dealt if they come forward.
Arabs know only one aspect of superpowerism...the miliatry power...the bombs tanks, planes. When they see only one Mulim country with a Nuclear bomb they think it must be very close to being superpower.
Arabs know only one aspect of superpowerism...the miliatry power...the bombs tanks, planes. When they see only one Mulim country with a Nuclear bomb they think it must be very close to being superpower.
#61 Posted by bulleya on February 19, 2007 1:03:36 pm
dullahbhatti #60:.......france has quite a close relationship with arabs......close to 10% of the population of france is arab....and france regularly speaks up for palestinians, and does not participate in us-led support of israel......which is why arabs have a high opinion of france.......
........the west is no longer a single cohesive entity......europe is going in one direction while us/israel are going in another......israel does not have nearly the influence in european countries as it does in usa.......hence european countries tend to act far more independently of israel, in their foreign policies.......as an example, a court in brussels convicted sharon of human rights violation in the shatilla massacre......
..........the picture painted of the arabs in the usa is obviously quite ridiculuos.......only a population as naive as usa would buy it........i think most europeans have a far more objective view of the arab situation.........
as for arabs wanting pakistan to be a superpower (after france and china), it was a bit surprising to me also......however, zogby`s survey`s are very authentic in all areas......so one must believe it.......i think indians should be happy that arabs want a fellow south asian country to be a superpower.........
.....i have always stated that arabs do not like usa and israel, but like europe.........which is what this survey proves.........though even i didn`t realize they wanted pakistan to take such a leaderrship position in the world.........
........the west is no longer a single cohesive entity......europe is going in one direction while us/israel are going in another......israel does not have nearly the influence in european countries as it does in usa.......hence european countries tend to act far more independently of israel, in their foreign policies.......as an example, a court in brussels convicted sharon of human rights violation in the shatilla massacre......
..........the picture painted of the arabs in the usa is obviously quite ridiculuos.......only a population as naive as usa would buy it........i think most europeans have a far more objective view of the arab situation.........
as for arabs wanting pakistan to be a superpower (after france and china), it was a bit surprising to me also......however, zogby`s survey`s are very authentic in all areas......so one must believe it.......i think indians should be happy that arabs want a fellow south asian country to be a superpower.........
.....i have always stated that arabs do not like usa and israel, but like europe.........which is what this survey proves.........though even i didn`t realize they wanted pakistan to take such a leaderrship position in the world.........
#62 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 19, 2007 1:11:32 pm
Re: # 51
Ranjit... It appears some things may be changing but most basic structure like road building and maintainence ( You are producing million cars per year but no good road system to drive on them and still major cars use tube in tires), airports ( India had ordered around 250 planes and more with option to buy but hardly 5 to 6 airports in country and people and cows and goats grazing along runways, read story before landing 30 minutes before at Patana airport people go out to scare away cows, there was picture of cow not cooperating , even one military airbase was abandoned as elephants were refusing and go away even after lightening fire crackers) are not modern. Now in pakistan roads are per world or american standard built but india roads are not good so even highways can not be used to park airmachines. Many english univs sending cameramen to picture indian factories with antique machines build in 1800 to teach how basic machine works , it was in news. Ancient tech steel plants from russia producing cast iron No electricity in major parts of country (except show towns) ie power poles with out power running all around india. So india may be industralised but no power so factories idle. All power is produced by govt, and farmers get free,no body thinks they can do better same as Wapada here. Also harbours is problem , all ships sit at indian harbours waiting to get in line , airline company of India has highest no of people on pay roll per aircraft in world. India is still backward than pakistan , still railway dependent and railways no where runs on time. Goods train from Madras city to delhi takes 15 days on average. Also trade unions are strong in India so lots of strikes all around.
If one does not consider all this factors then India has future. India has failed in general so all indians have to go out of country to find job.
One Arab professor said India will be always developing country. He may be Right ?
Ranjit... It appears some things may be changing but most basic structure like road building and maintainence ( You are producing million cars per year but no good road system to drive on them and still major cars use tube in tires), airports ( India had ordered around 250 planes and more with option to buy but hardly 5 to 6 airports in country and people and cows and goats grazing along runways, read story before landing 30 minutes before at Patana airport people go out to scare away cows, there was picture of cow not cooperating , even one military airbase was abandoned as elephants were refusing and go away even after lightening fire crackers) are not modern. Now in pakistan roads are per world or american standard built but india roads are not good so even highways can not be used to park airmachines. Many english univs sending cameramen to picture indian factories with antique machines build in 1800 to teach how basic machine works , it was in news. Ancient tech steel plants from russia producing cast iron No electricity in major parts of country (except show towns) ie power poles with out power running all around india. So india may be industralised but no power so factories idle. All power is produced by govt, and farmers get free,no body thinks they can do better same as Wapada here. Also harbours is problem , all ships sit at indian harbours waiting to get in line , airline company of India has highest no of people on pay roll per aircraft in world. India is still backward than pakistan , still railway dependent and railways no where runs on time. Goods train from Madras city to delhi takes 15 days on average. Also trade unions are strong in India so lots of strikes all around.
If one does not consider all this factors then India has future. India has failed in general so all indians have to go out of country to find job.
One Arab professor said India will be always developing country. He may be Right ?
#63 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 19, 2007 1:12:26 pm
Re: # 51
Ranjit... It appears some things may be changing but most basic structure like road building and maintainence ( You are producing million cars per year but no good road system to drive on them and still major cars use tube in tires), airports ( India had ordered around 250 planes and more with option to buy but hardly 5 to 6 airports in country and people and cows and goats grazing along runways, read story before landing 30 minutes before at Patana airport people go out to scare away cows, there was picture of cow not cooperating , even one military airbase was abandoned as elephants were refusing and go away even after lightening fire crackers) are not modern. Now in pakistan roads are per world or american standard built but india roads are not good so even highways can not be used to park airmachines. Many english univs sending cameramen to picture indian factories with antique machines build in 1800 to teach how basic machine works , it was in news. Ancient tech steel plants from russia producing cast iron No electricity in major parts of country (except show towns) ie power poles with out power running all around india. So india may be industralised but no power so factories idle. All power is produced by govt, and farmers get free,no body thinks they can do better same as Wapada here. Also harbours is problem , all ships sit at indian harbours waiting to get in line , airline company of India has highest no of people on pay roll per aircraft in world. India is still backward than pakistan , still railway dependent and railways no where runs on time. Goods train from Madras city to delhi takes 15 days on average. Also trade unions are strong in India so lots of strikes all around.
If one does not consider all this factors then India has future. India has failed in general so all indians have to go out of country to find job.
One Arab professor said India will be always developing country. He may be Right ?
Ranjit... It appears some things may be changing but most basic structure like road building and maintainence ( You are producing million cars per year but no good road system to drive on them and still major cars use tube in tires), airports ( India had ordered around 250 planes and more with option to buy but hardly 5 to 6 airports in country and people and cows and goats grazing along runways, read story before landing 30 minutes before at Patana airport people go out to scare away cows, there was picture of cow not cooperating , even one military airbase was abandoned as elephants were refusing and go away even after lightening fire crackers) are not modern. Now in pakistan roads are per world or american standard built but india roads are not good so even highways can not be used to park airmachines. Many english univs sending cameramen to picture indian factories with antique machines build in 1800 to teach how basic machine works , it was in news. Ancient tech steel plants from russia producing cast iron No electricity in major parts of country (except show towns) ie power poles with out power running all around india. So india may be industralised but no power so factories idle. All power is produced by govt, and farmers get free,no body thinks they can do better same as Wapada here. Also harbours is problem , all ships sit at indian harbours waiting to get in line , airline company of India has highest no of people on pay roll per aircraft in world. India is still backward than pakistan , still railway dependent and railways no where runs on time. Goods train from Madras city to delhi takes 15 days on average. Also trade unions are strong in India so lots of strikes all around.
If one does not consider all this factors then India has future. India has failed in general so all indians have to go out of country to find job.
One Arab professor said India will be always developing country. He may be Right ?
#64 Posted by Ranjit on February 19, 2007 2:59:24 pm
Re:ahmedmadani#63
Madaniji, infrastructure development is a key problem in India. As you have mentioned roads, airports, harbors, utilities all need modernization. There are three levels of challenges on the infrastructure side. The first level is financial means to upgrade infrastructure. India now has the financial means to modernise infrastructure, unlike the past when it would have to beg the world bank for money to build a road.
The second level is political challenge. Typically infrastructure projects leads to displacement. Building roads, airports, dams or power plants requires land acquisition and change in ownership from public sector to private sector. Such projects immediately encounter bitter opposition from the people affected. Politicians then step in to take advantage of the situation. Soon you have dharnas, hunger strikes etc resulting in police reaction and so forth. On top of that you may have people filing lawsuits. This is the price of living in a democracy. In Pakistan or China, the government can swing the danda and can take over your land or kick you out on the street without any reaction. Not so in India. Therefore, the process is much slower.
The final level of challenge is cultural. Right from Gandhi`s time, India has made a fetish out of poverty - something that I call the Gandhian Guilt Complex. Poverty has been glorified in India, even championed while wealth is associated with amorality and lack of character. If you see bollywood movies, typically you find people emphasizing their poverty as a virtue while rich people are typically portrayed as bad, corrupt people or outright villains. You have Indian politicians at the topmost levels going out of the way to emphasize their simple lifestyle - driving Indian made cars, wearing simple clothes, living in modest accommodations etc. On the contrary, Pakistan has always picked up from Jinnah his love for the good life. Pakistani politicians and their spouses travel in luxury cars, live in palatial houses and are in a mad rush to acquire wealth. In such an environment in India, infrastructure changes are looked at foolishly as an indulgence of the rich. If you say you will build a superhighway or a modern airport, you will have 100 people saying that you need to build a tubewell or a road in a village instead or give Rs 2 per kilo rice to the poor. The communists and socialists make a fetish of this Gandhian Guilt Complex without realizing that without infrastructure improvements, the country stays poor. Of course, at the end, we dont get the highway or the airport, nor do we get the tubewell or the road in the village either. So everything remains backward.
The good news is that this culture in India is changing but it will take a long time for it to overcome these challenges. People are becoming more money minded but it is still difficult to overcome the Gandhian Guilt complex. Perhaps in a generation or two, people will forget about Gandhi and focus on getting rich.
Madaniji, infrastructure development is a key problem in India. As you have mentioned roads, airports, harbors, utilities all need modernization. There are three levels of challenges on the infrastructure side. The first level is financial means to upgrade infrastructure. India now has the financial means to modernise infrastructure, unlike the past when it would have to beg the world bank for money to build a road.
The second level is political challenge. Typically infrastructure projects leads to displacement. Building roads, airports, dams or power plants requires land acquisition and change in ownership from public sector to private sector. Such projects immediately encounter bitter opposition from the people affected. Politicians then step in to take advantage of the situation. Soon you have dharnas, hunger strikes etc resulting in police reaction and so forth. On top of that you may have people filing lawsuits. This is the price of living in a democracy. In Pakistan or China, the government can swing the danda and can take over your land or kick you out on the street without any reaction. Not so in India. Therefore, the process is much slower.
The final level of challenge is cultural. Right from Gandhi`s time, India has made a fetish out of poverty - something that I call the Gandhian Guilt Complex. Poverty has been glorified in India, even championed while wealth is associated with amorality and lack of character. If you see bollywood movies, typically you find people emphasizing their poverty as a virtue while rich people are typically portrayed as bad, corrupt people or outright villains. You have Indian politicians at the topmost levels going out of the way to emphasize their simple lifestyle - driving Indian made cars, wearing simple clothes, living in modest accommodations etc. On the contrary, Pakistan has always picked up from Jinnah his love for the good life. Pakistani politicians and their spouses travel in luxury cars, live in palatial houses and are in a mad rush to acquire wealth. In such an environment in India, infrastructure changes are looked at foolishly as an indulgence of the rich. If you say you will build a superhighway or a modern airport, you will have 100 people saying that you need to build a tubewell or a road in a village instead or give Rs 2 per kilo rice to the poor. The communists and socialists make a fetish of this Gandhian Guilt Complex without realizing that without infrastructure improvements, the country stays poor. Of course, at the end, we dont get the highway or the airport, nor do we get the tubewell or the road in the village either. So everything remains backward.
The good news is that this culture in India is changing but it will take a long time for it to overcome these challenges. People are becoming more money minded but it is still difficult to overcome the Gandhian Guilt complex. Perhaps in a generation or two, people will forget about Gandhi and focus on getting rich.
#65 Posted by arjun2 on February 19, 2007 4:17:24 pm
#61 by bulleya on February 19, 2007 1:03pm PT
only a population as naive as usa would buy it..
Umm...these are the same practitioners of the religion of peace that think 9/11 was a zionist/US conspiracy because we all know allah`s homies are incapable of such a thing...
only a population as naive as usa would buy it..
Umm...these are the same practitioners of the religion of peace that think 9/11 was a zionist/US conspiracy because we all know allah`s homies are incapable of such a thing...
#66 Posted by mohar11 on February 19, 2007 4:23:35 pm
Re: # 63
[...One Arab professor said ...]
Arabs have ``professors``?... Wow... :)
[...One Arab professor said ...]
Arabs have ``professors``?... Wow... :)
#67 Posted by plats8 on February 19, 2007 6:57:27 pm
#Nasah,
My point exactly. I was amusing myself with the idea of a Arab/French lovefest.
#61 by Bulleya,
Are you completely delusional ? You seriously think that the presence of a lot of
Algerian/Moroccan and assorted Arabs in France means that white France likes the Arabs ??? The racial divisions in France are about as deep as they can be - the entire country has been in denial for a long time. Most Arabs are completely ghettoized (by exclusion at times, by choice at other times) and there is a nice and healthy visceral dislike going in both directions. The riots didn`t happen for nothing.
As far as France speaking up for the Palestinians, it means jackshit. They don`t walk the talk. Tons of Arab countries speak up and down and sideways about Palestinians, with complete insincerity.
My point exactly. I was amusing myself with the idea of a Arab/French lovefest.
#61 by Bulleya,
Are you completely delusional ? You seriously think that the presence of a lot of
Algerian/Moroccan and assorted Arabs in France means that white France likes the Arabs ??? The racial divisions in France are about as deep as they can be - the entire country has been in denial for a long time. Most Arabs are completely ghettoized (by exclusion at times, by choice at other times) and there is a nice and healthy visceral dislike going in both directions. The riots didn`t happen for nothing.
As far as France speaking up for the Palestinians, it means jackshit. They don`t walk the talk. Tons of Arab countries speak up and down and sideways about Palestinians, with complete insincerity.
#68 Posted by zafar-1 on February 19, 2007 7:42:46 pm
[The weak and poor nations of the third world enthusiastically send their brilliant children to Oxford and Howard and think that they would return with more intelligence, expertise and knowledge.]
Such learned writers add to Chowk`s importance.;)
Such learned writers add to Chowk`s importance.;)
#69 Posted by arjun2 on February 19, 2007 7:50:21 pm
Has anyone noticed that when capt clueless posts about the practitioners of the religion of peace ``hating`` some county(US, Israel), it`s always accompanied by some righteous justification...
if the world has a negative opinion of muslims, that`s islamophobia...
if the world has a negative opinion of muslims, that`s islamophobia...
#70 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 12:51:24 am
#63 by ahmedmadani
... before landing 30 minutes before at Patana airport people go out to scare away cows, there was picture of cow not cooperating ...
Haha. Thanks for the anecdote. But Ranjit has a point in #64 re the Gandhian Guilt Complex.
... before landing 30 minutes before at Patana airport people go out to scare away cows, there was picture of cow not cooperating ...
Haha. Thanks for the anecdote. But Ranjit has a point in #64 re the Gandhian Guilt Complex.
#71 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 12:53:28 am
... re the rabid dogs if ITBillionairesville aka bhangilauru, now I know why the Taliban did what they did. They had to remove the head altogether to stop it shaking from side to side otherwise it just wouldn`t stop shaking ... haha.
#72 Posted by plats8 on February 20, 2007 12:54:38 pm
Ranjit,
Infrastructure development is one area where the politicians have to do a much better
job of persuading people - mostly poor and insecure people where the land is all they
have. Forced displacements are neither humane nor sustainable in a democracy. The
govt has to come up with compelling arguments in this matter. A case in point is the
Singur incident in Bengal - the govt will surely follow a less ham-handed approach in
the future. If govt/big business plans to take away my land, it damn well better tell
me (in vivid detail) what I stand to gain from it. The gains always there; one just
needs to make a good case.
This will become increasingly relevant as India starts creating Shenzhen-like SEZs.
I don`t think the poverty fetish is dominant in India anymore. It used to be imposed
from the top in a morbid fashion, and has been eroding rapidly.
Infrastructure development is one area where the politicians have to do a much better
job of persuading people - mostly poor and insecure people where the land is all they
have. Forced displacements are neither humane nor sustainable in a democracy. The
govt has to come up with compelling arguments in this matter. A case in point is the
Singur incident in Bengal - the govt will surely follow a less ham-handed approach in
the future. If govt/big business plans to take away my land, it damn well better tell
me (in vivid detail) what I stand to gain from it. The gains always there; one just
needs to make a good case.
This will become increasingly relevant as India starts creating Shenzhen-like SEZs.
I don`t think the poverty fetish is dominant in India anymore. It used to be imposed
from the top in a morbid fashion, and has been eroding rapidly.
#73 Posted by Netizen on February 20, 2007 1:24:40 pm
Re: # 72
plats8:
``A case in point is the Singur incident in Bengal - the govt will surely follow a less ham-handed approach in
the future. If govt/big business plans to take away my land, it damn well better tell
me (in vivid detail) what I stand to gain from it. The gains always there; one just
needs to make a good case. ``
Thats a very good point. Personal/private property has to be respected. But what if some one is squatting on goverment property and then refuses to move without a ransom?
plats8:
``A case in point is the Singur incident in Bengal - the govt will surely follow a less ham-handed approach in
the future. If govt/big business plans to take away my land, it damn well better tell
me (in vivid detail) what I stand to gain from it. The gains always there; one just
needs to make a good case. ``
Thats a very good point. Personal/private property has to be respected. But what if some one is squatting on goverment property and then refuses to move without a ransom?
#74 Posted by plats8 on February 20, 2007 2:44:18 pm
Re: # 73
Netizen,
I don`t know how that would be handled. I suspect it will be some combination of political muscle-flexing/coercion/persuasion/offering jobs that works.
Netizen,
I don`t know how that would be handled. I suspect it will be some combination of political muscle-flexing/coercion/persuasion/offering jobs that works.
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#76 Posted by Sanaullah on February 26, 2007 4:19:50 am
To ballukhan – for ur information Shahnawaz Farooqi could be any thing but “Jernail’s boot licker” he is one of the biter critics of Fauji rule in Pakistan, I am saying this bc I read his newspapper columns. Irrespective of our political views we should respect the brave souls who voice our opinions against illegitimate regimes.
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