Why Have This Train At All?

Re: # 328

krishna mian,

...... i have no such delusions ....... it was meant as advice to your parents - if they had spanked you when you were growing up you would have grown up .......

#322 by hamidm2 on February 25, 2007 8:11am PT
Re: # 321

[...... people like krishna and sanatani just need a good spanking...]


Hamidm bhayya,


I think you should keep your sadomasochistic/gay fantasies limited within your home, which is where they belong. We don`t all need to share in your Paki delusional fantasies.

: )

#321 by Salim_Chauhan

[Krishna Bhayya,
First Sanatani Maharaj and now you again - it seems that like most creatures, even right-wing Hindutva types come in pairs. :) ]

You HAVE to say something, don`t you? Even if you have nothing to refute any facts? For the idiots on Chowk, that might impress, but this won`t make any impression on people who can read straight.

[#319 by zeemax on February 25, 2007 1:01am PT
#318 by nb

No nb. The ones who survived are known right? The balance must be those dead. It is 59 Pakistanis out of 67 total. But India is not even giving the list of the total visas granted for exit via that train. There are relatives crowding the railway ministry asking about their loved ones who are still listed as missing and many of them already buried in India. It`s a mess.]

If you read following story at BBC news site it is clear that Sixty-year-old Kamruddin boarded an unreserved car of Samjhauta Express. Indian Railways issues unreserved tickets by which is meant that you just pay fare but you are not assured of a seat. If you buy a reserved ticket you pay fare and reservation charge. The way it works is that with reserved ticket you may have a ``confirmed`` seat. Or you may be in ``Waiting List``.

If you do not have ``confirmed`` reserved ticket or you have a ``fare only`` (unreserved) ticket then you have option of getting a seat in ``reserved`` cars if there is last minute cancellation. Basically you approach a conductor who wear distinctive black blazer jacket and carry IR badge pinned on jacket. These people carry latest computer printout showing latest situation about reservation. If there are no cancellations then also you can approach them in hope that somebody will miss the train and then that person`s unoccupied seat will be up for grabs and you may get it. It seems that Mr. Kamruddin did not get a seat or did not try to get. So he boarded an unreserved car. There may be zero or more unreserved cars in any Indian Railway train.

As for what you are calling ``visas granted for exit`` my guess is that there is no such thing as ``visas granted for exit``. My guess is visas are granted for entry. But Indian Government might be recording a person`s details somewhere when a Pakistani citizen leaves the country. My guess is that they record details when conductor checks the ticket or at Atari station just before crossing border. It should be responsibility of Indian Railways to make sure that travelers who travel by a train which is known to cross border that either they are going to a destination before border or they are carrying proper travel document. In my opinion they should insist on a Photo ID and Proof of Address for all passengers on such trains.

India blast victims` security questions


India blast victims` security questions
By Soutik Biswas
BBC News, Panipat



Kamruddin says he passed out after the blasts
Sixty-year-old Kamruddin, a milkman from Multan in Pakistan, lies wheezing in the only bed in a curious ``VIP emergency room`` in the chaotic government hospital in Panipat, India.

He does not remember any security person checking him when he boarded the crowded unreserved carriage of the Samjhauta (Friendship) Express at Old Delhi railway station on Sunday night.

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Re: # 324

salim mian,

.... you are a trouble maker !

#322 hamidm2 {``like little girls who have just discovered breasts ........... on the other hand, a lot of pakis scare me because it seems they are one taraweeh away from becoming full fledged jihadis .......

...... people like krishna and sanatani just need a good spanking, guys like urstruly and tahmed need more extreme measures like exposure to menstruating women and pork rinds .........``}


Hamidum Sahib,
LOL - Injuns with lemons! Perhaps we can make lemonade with them and wean them away from fire water. :)
Perhaps you are being a bit too harsh against the Pakis you mentioned - menstruating swine and female hinds is quite a potent mixture. :)

#313 Anil {``But what if the Creator is nothing other than the human mind? ...
I would not do away with Mosques... These are beautiful expressions of human minds creation. ``}

Anil Bahi,
I have often thought about that - I agree with you that the human mind is absolutely divine. Even the various scriptures say that ``He breathed his spirit into Adam`` and that ``God created man in His own image.`` What we call conscience, spirit, etc may very well be elements of the Creator.

As for mosques, I agree with you. They are indeed beautiful - as are many of the splendid churches, temples, and statues. :)

Re: # 321

salim mian,

`` seems that like most creatures, even right-wing Hindutva types come in pairs`` .......... except you and al-lah mian .... unless you two consider yourselves to be a couple

....... but seriously speaking, these hindutva types seem to be an aberration because all the horrible hindoos i know - and god help me, i know lots of them - seem to be fairly nice guys even if they can`t stop shaking their damn heads and getting all excited about the indian it boom like little girls who have just discovered breasts ........... on the other hand, a lot of pakis scare me because it seems they are one taraweeh away from becoming full fledged jihadis .......

...... people like krishna and sanatani just need a good spanking, guys like urstruly and zeemax need more extreme measures like exposure to menstruating women and pork rinds .........

#300 Krishna_abcd {``The unholy prophet`s life was one unending saga of gory bloodletting, brutality, murder, mayhem, looting and rape. His followers and those who came later were only emulating him in this accursed cult of personality. ``}

Krishna Bhayya,
First Sanatani Maharaj and now you again - it seems that like most creatures, even right-wing Hindutva types come in pairs. :)

Muhiyal #309 Talking of ``wholehearted cursing``, rest assured sir that it is never done unless appropriate by any international standard (e.g. when applied to the esteemed mr. santani, who was gloating over the death of the samjhota train passengers).

You are not missing much by coming infrequently to chowk. I think you have a unique story to tell though (having migrated to India from Pakistan after partition), and perhaps someday you will have time to tell us more about it on chowk.

#318 by nb

No nb. The ones who survived are known right? The balance must be those dead. It is 59 Pakistanis out of 67 total. But India is not even giving the list of the total visas granted for exit via that train. There are relatives crowding the railway ministry asking about their loved ones who are still listed as missing and many of them already buried in India. It`s a mess.

Re: # 317
Could they be unknown because they`re too disfigured to be identified?? Poor people in India and Pakistan don`t have dental records.

#290 by okhla99

samjhautas unknown dead buried in haryana village

Why Unknown? Where the eff are the passenger lists?

Even if the hinuds are too incompetent to have train passenger lists even on a special train, surely they must have lists of to whom they granted visas to travel by THAT train and from THAT particular point of entry/exit.

Everyone knows injuns give restricted point of entry/exit visas.

There`s something fishy here. Injuns are hiding something. C`mon ... stop covering it up.

[#314] by myself

All people travelling to border districts should be required to carry PAID.

should read

All people travelling by government operated transport to border districts should be required to carry PAID.

Also probably I should change the acronym to PIDA standing for Photo-ID-cum-Address

Given that the discussion has predictably moved from the burning train to the
usual Hindu-Muslim ``mine is bigger than your`s contest``, here`s something relevant
from a somewhat bright guy:

1) Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
-- Steven Weinberg, in a dialog on religion with other scientists, 1999, quoted from ``The
Constitution Guarantees Freedom From Religion`` an open letter to US Vice-Presidential
candidate Senator Joseph Lieberman, issued by the Freedom From Religion Foundation on
August 28, 2000

2) It`s a consequence of the experience of science. As you learn more and more about the universe, you find you can understand more and more without any reference to supernatural intervention, so you lose interest in that possibility. Most scientists I know don`t care enough about religion even to call themselves atheists. And that, I think, is one of the great things about science -- that it has made it possible for people not to be religious.
-- Steven Weinberg, quoted in Natalie Angier, ``Confessions of a Lonely Atheist,`` New York Times Magazine, January 14, 2001

[#301 by tolkinin on February 24, 2007 3:21pm PT
#298 Mr.Einstein are you r so nive to think that iNdia can implement computerised tracking of passengers adresses etc...In a country where 1/3 of passengers travel without any ticket including even platform ticket.....there is not will or intention of impementing any rule except when the enforcer has interst of lining his poc ket for which this rule would be god send......]

I am not asking for mandatory and universal restriction requiring that passengers carry Photo-cum-Address ID (PAID) card. For a start all travellers of trains like Samjhauta Express should be required to carry PAID. All people travelling to border districts should be required to carry PAID. Travelling by government operated transport is not constitutionally guaranteed right. It is a privilege but not right. All privileges come with reasonable restrictions. In starting phase not many will be required to carry PAIDs. In case of Samjhauta Express almost all travellers would have their passport and I thought all passports have at least the address of residence when they were issued. Gradually system should be spread to interior region.

You are writing that ``1/3 of passengers travel without any ticket`` etc. That should stop. Why should such irresponsible behaviour be allowed to continue? If you cannot get PAID you do not travel by trains. The very fact that railways are cheap will be an incentive for getting PAID. Right now voter identity cards are being issued. But a person may not be voting. And it is okay. You want to travel by IR, you get a PAID. Else travel by ox-cart for what I care.