Why Have This Train At All?

The difference between the people of Karachi and those of Lahore

It has been just a couple of days since the Samjhota Express was the target of terrorism. This violent and senseless act resulted in the death of many people and caused the suffering of even more people on both sides of the border. While the people of Karachi and parts of India were busy burying their dead and providing assistance to the injured, the people of Lahore were celebrating Basant with colorful clothing and even more colorful kites - music and dancing made the celebrations even happier.

Contrast this festive atmosphere with how the kind people of Karachi behaved right after the devastating earthquake in northern Pakistan. Karachiites turned their full attention to providing aid for the injured and homeless victims of this natural catastrophe. Karachiites overwhelmed the logistical capacity of the Pakistani Army by massing huge amounts of clothing, blankets, and supplies for the survivors. Even the religious Eid celebrations were half-hearted, limited, and in some cases not even conducted. Many people decided not to wear new clothes out of sorrow for the sufferings of ``fellow`` Pakistanis.

The only explanation for this dichotomy is the fact that the majority of victims of the Samjhota Express tragedy were Urdu-speaking Pakistanis from Karachi and their Indian relatives traveling to Pakistan.

The difference is clear for all to see. These are the same Lahori Paki Punjus who vehemently oppose even the repatriation of stranded Urdu-speaking Pakistanis in Bangladesh.

Maybe next time, the people of Karachi will reconsider their attitude toward the Paki Punju ``fellow`` Pakistanis up north.

#375, Do you always waste your time keeping score over the dialogue between two other people? Now, that is the calling card of a real loser.

zeemax: This is what I was trying to bring to your attention - you merely lose credibility when you try to twist facts instead of writing straight. And so you obviously lost your credibility with Plats who made this joking remark to me regarding your post: ``Now you know - Israel made it all the way to the Litani river because you didn`t show enough online grief for Lebanese civilians. ``

And the best you could do was make the meaningless retort ``Re the Litani river, what`ve you hindoos got to do with that? ``.

#373 plats8 {``Of course it has tolerated/promoted genocide, and it will again...which religion doesn`t ? ``}

Plats8,
I am inclined to agree with that statement with some rewording -

Of course it has tolerated/promoted genocide, and it will again...which religion, as practiced and promoted by its priests, kings, leaders doesn`t ?

That is exactly why I choose to follow my own conscience and not provide carte blanche support to any organized or disorganized gang of god squads.

Re: # 371

Salim,

``Does this mean that Hinduism tolerates and even promotes genocide?``

Of course it has tolerated/promoted genocide, and it will again...which religion
doesn`t ?

#359 zeemax {``As for the `Bihari` issue, tahmed saheb doesn`t know that these aren`t `Biharis`. These are the same UP people who crossed over to the East instead of the West Pakistan through Bihar. And now this label is stuck on them. These are urdu speaking people who must be immediately repatriated. ``}

Zee Bhai,
Thank you for your support of the long overdue repatriation of Pakistanis stranded in BD since 1971. Tahmed`s bigotry in calling them all ``Biharis`` is indicative of his racist attitude and blatant hypocrisy - as if being a ``Bihari`` is somehow inferior to being a Paki Punju. I don`t mean to demean ALL Pakistani Punjabis, but Chacha Buttees is the kind of bigot and hypocrite who gives his people a bad name. This jackass refuses to get off his high horse of morality, all the while admonishing people about how they should behave. What a loser!

#366 Krishna_abcd {``Cut the bullshit. Doesn`t impress me. Do you have ANYTHING to refute the FACT that he killed 700 unarmed civilians and sold their helpless and inncoent women and children into slavery?

If you CAN refute it - do it. Otherwise acknowledge that you cannot, or, as is more usual on Chowk, conveniently shut up. ``}

Krishna,
Can you refute that your namesake, the divine Lord Krishna, encouraged, abetted, and himself participated in the killing and thorough eradication of the Kauravas? Does this mean that Hinduism tolerates and even promotes genocide?

If you can see the ridiculous exercise in which you are engaged, there may be hope for hateful people like you. :)

Here are the ``facts`` supporting my allegation above:

Ref: http://www.crystallotus.com/vishnu/12.htm


The Pandavas and their common wife, defeated in a game of dice, were driven out of Indraprastha. ...``This is against dharma,`` said Krishna. ``The Pandavas kept their word. You must too.`` ``No,`` said the Kauravas. ... ``Then you will get what you deserve - a war,`` declared Krishna, ``And none will prevent the slaughter of the unrighteous Kauravas.``

As the Pandavas and Kauravas prepared for war, Balarama said, ``Spilling blood for land or law makes no sense.`` He refused to fight for either side. ``If this war does not take place, adharma will reign supreme, and pralaya will destroy the world before its time is up,`` argued Krishna. Krishna took up the reins of Arjuna`s chariot. ``Come Arjuna, help me establish dharma on earth.``

Before the battle began, Arjuna lost his will to fight. He put down his weapons and cried, ``How can I kill my own cousins for a piece of land?`` ``This battle,`` said Krishna, ``is not for your land or your crown; it is for dharma. You shall kill the unrighteous, not out of anger and vengeance, but because it is your duty. You are only an instrument of the divine being who rotates the cycle of life.`` ``Who is this divine being?`` asked Arjuna. ``It is Vishnu,`` said Krishna, revealing his true self, his vishvarupa. ``Behold, all that exists, exists within me; all that happens is because of me. Do not delude yourself into believing that it is you who create or kill. I am the cause of all events - the creator and the destroyer. Abandon yourself into my care, detach yourself from the result, and do as I say - I caused the war, I will decide its fate.`` The words of Krishna became the song of the divine, the Bhagavad Gita, that made Arjuna see his actions in clear light. Doubts cleared, intention clarified, decision taken, Arjuna picked up his bow and mounted the chariot. Krishna blew his conch and led Arjuna towards the enemy.


The battle on the plains of Kurukshetra was no ordinary war; it was a battle to relieve the earth-goddess Bhoodevi of the burden of adharma. Using every strategy of war, including guile, Krishna orchestrated the defeat of the unrighteous Kauravas. One by one, their commanders fell to the ground, struck by the ruthless sword of justice.On the final day of the war, encouraged by Krishna, Bhima killed Duryodhana, the leader of the Kauravas, striking him beneath the navel with his mace. This outraged the kings of earth who condemned Krishna for breaking the sacred rules of war. ``Where was this indignation when .a helpless Draupadi was being abused by the Kauravas? Where was this sense of fair play when the earth-goddess Bhoodevi, burdened by your wickedness, begged for mercy? What use are your rules and laws when they do not uphold truth and justice?`` asked the lord as he led the Pandavas to victory.

Draupadi, Bhoodevi incarnate, washed her hair with the blood of the Kauravas and tied her hair. ``Nothing burdens the earth anymore, there is dharma everywhere,`` said the earth-goddess thanking Vishnu, her divine protector.The fallen kings reviled Krishna. The triumphant Pandavas cheered Krishna. Krishna accepted it all, unfluttered by the rage, unflattered by the praise. Under his guidance, the Pandavas reestablished righteousness on earth.

Re: # 368

Zeemax,

Hmm... you are making assumptions about my religion with very little info. Anyway,
Hindus probably have as much to do with Litani river as an average Pakistani,
repeated attempts of the Pakistani state to ingratiate itself with Arabs notwithstanding.

So, are 50% of Indian children malnourished or 50% of the entire population (children,
adults, and children pretending to be adults) ? Am a bit confused. Does one exclude
Muslim Indians from that count, since by virtue of their religion, they are always wel-fed ?

Re: # 352 zee

Very nice houri, dude... post some more pics of buxom kashmiri houris...

But who are darkies standing besides her? are they kashmiris too?...

#367 by plats8

The thing about the breasts was just an aside to hamidm. Some of your women have great boobs ... no doubt. Still ugly though ...

Re the Litani river, what`ve you hindoos got to do with that?

You should worry about the 50% i.e. half of all your entire population`s undernourished starving children in this big gutter of a cesspool you call hindoostan ...

:~)

Re: # 352

Zeemax,

Arrey bhai, of course they cannot. We are all well aware of the chivalrous martial
traditions present on the discontent-free side of the border.

You didn`t quite clarify the big-breast IT/pre-requisite thingie though. Is that used
as a recruiting condition in Pakistan ? If so, one has to admire the civilizational
advances you have made.

About the Madrasi/Bengali thing - people care about the distinction just as much they
care about the looks of an average Pakistani. It is not a topic of conversation unless
you wish to be permanently stuck in a teenage of sorts, which is where you are I
assume.

One parting question - exactly how many times did you fall on your head as a child ?
If you didn`t, that`s even more disturbing, given the layers of insecurity you display.

Tahmed #362,

Now you know - Israel made it all the way to the Litani river because you didn`t show
enough online grief for Lebanese civilians.

#356 by Salim_Chauhan

[The ``facts`` that you will quote are your own selective interpretation of history as documented by one group of Arab chroniclers as compared to another group. ]

Cut the bullshit. Doesn`t impress me. Do you have ANYTHING to refute the FACT that he killed 700 unarmed civilians and sold their helpless and inncoent women and children into slavery?

If you CAN refute it - do it. Otherwise acknowledge that you cannot, or, as is more usual on Chowk, conveniently shut up.

#364 by samar1982

Go Sir, and remain `gone` .. Thanks.

Who says you (all) are gloating? You are condoling since 19th instant by rubbing your Hindu/Muslim a**s! I am sure you will be left with two o o after 13th and 40th day respectively. Wait till then!! I can`t bear all this crap for long, so I am off. Enjoy yourselves.

Samar

#362 by tahmed32

You were supporting hamidm2 who was openly gloating over the death of Lebanese civilians as `scum`.

As your `Pir Saheb` says, ``Either you`re with us, or you`re with the enemy``. Your supporting hamidm is the same as saying the same thing i.e. going by your rules, not mine. To me there are shades of grey. To you, only black & white.

So I hold you fully responsible, and forcefully condemn your stand during the summer war. You, Sir, should be ashamed of yourself now that more facts are laid out which you were blind to see at that time. You`ve been proven wrong. And the Lebanese children victims will remember that.

zeemax #355 ``You never once condoled the victims.``

That is very different than gloating over the victims. Like I said, please dont make up stories. That merely makes you less credible.

salim: you are a khaali matka. rattle on, lowlife.