Why Have This Train At All?

Re: # 439
Post godhra incident was to show that, moslems can not get away always with doing barbaric act. In the history of Gujrat, islamic barbarism had no bounds. Even in 1960's, Congress has tried to promote moslems against gujratis. As these attrocities were confined within the cities, Congress has got away with it. Shivsena/RSS has paid back the moslems with their same coin. I hope Mr. Modi's appeal to all caste groups remain intact.

Re: # 454
Mr. Nilekani is correct. You take out the hitech industries and institutes from India, it is like any other 3rd world country. The police, the beaurocrat, the judiciary and other Govt. services are at least as bad as Pakistan. I have worked in Indian Railway subsidiary. The pathetic attitude and in-efficiency of the railway officers tell you, why Railway is not performing properly. When, I look back, I feel, they has no belonging to the organisation they work for. In all this, I have seen very honest officers also. But they are handful and are now migrating to private industries out of frustration.

I feel that Attari Express ( DELHI-ATTARI ) and Samjhauta Express ( ATTARI-LAHORE ) should not be stopped at all rather there should discipline, order ( systematic working )and all the passengers & their luggage should be scanned/checked in order not to let any mishap take place again. It is poor man's Shatabdi to Lahore / Delhi and it binds / re strengthens relationships between Indo-Pak people. Khuda isse nazar-e-bad se bachae. Ameen.

Veeresh - Hi Again. I was just reading the businessweek last night when I came across an interesting coverage on India that`s worth sharing. In my earlier interacts, I had initially raised concern on the bad infrastructure that needed to be addressed in India before even thinking of having any Samjhota Express between the 2 countries. It is better not to have any form of mass transit between the two countries for human beings(regardless of the social strata) than have one which does not comply with the safety rules and regulations. I have worked on projects in the transportation world and have first hand knowledge of the the claims, safety issues and tort litigation matters that arise from those claims. I understand in 3rd world countries, any kind of claims would go down the drain since there is no defined standard and even if there is one there is no quality assurance conducted to validate the basic standards.

The following is a long article and would require careful reading. I am sure it is not something that you are unaware of, but it is important to pay attention to my earlier advice that drove Chowk`s Admin nuts.

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The Trouble With India
Crumbling roads, jammed airports, and power blackouts could hobble growth
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_12/b4026001.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives


COVER STORY PODCAST


When foreigners say Bangalore is India`s version of Silicon Valley, the high-tech office park called Electronics City is what they`re often thinking of. But however much Californians might hate traffic-clogged Route 101, the main drag though the Valley, it has nothing on Hosur Road. This potholed, four-lane stretch of gritty pavement—the primary access to Electronics City—is pure chaos. Cars, trucks, buses, motorcycles, taxis, rickshaws, cows, donkeys, and dogs jostle for every inch of the roadway as horns blare and brakes squeal. Drivers run red lights and jam their vehicles into any available space, paying no mind to pedestrians clustered desperately on median strips like shipwrecked sailors.




Slide Show >>Pass through the six-foot-high concrete walls into Electronics City, though, and the loudest sounds you hear are the chirping of birds and the whirr of electric carts that whisk visitors from one steel-and-glass building to the next. Young men and women stroll the manicured pathways that wend their way through the leafy 80-acre spread or coast quietly on bicycles along the smooth asphalt roads.

With virtually no mass transit in Bangalore, Indian technology firm Infosys Technologies Ltd. spends $5 million a year on buses, minivans, and taxis to transport its 18,000 employees to and from Electronics City. And traffic jams mean workers can spend upwards of four hours commuting each day. ``India has underinvested in infrastructure for 60 years, and we`re behind what we need by 10 to 12 years,`` says T.V. Mohandas Pai, director of human resources for Infosys.

India`s high-tech services industry has set the country`s economic flywheel spinning. Growth is running at 9%-plus this year. The likes of Wal-Mart (WMT ), Vodafone (VOD ), and Citigroup (C ) are placing multibillion-dollar bets on the country, lured by its 300 million-strong middle class. In spite of a recent drop, the Bombay stock exchange`s benchmark Sensex index is still up more than 40% since June. Real estate has shot through the roof, with some prices doubling in the past year.

But this economic boom is being built on the shakiest of foundations. Highways, modern bridges, world-class airports, reliable power, and clean water are in desperately short supply. And what`s already there is literally crumbling under the weight of progress. In December, a bridge in eastern India collapsed, killing 34 passengers in a train rumbling underneath. Economic losses from congestion and poor roads alone are as high as $6 billion a year, says Gajendra Haldea, an adviser to the federal Planning Commission.

For all its importance, the tech services sector employs just 1.6 million people, and it doesn`t rely on good roads and bridges to get its work done. India needs manufacturing to boom if it is to boost exports and create jobs for the 10 million young people who enter the workforce each year. Suddenly, good infrastructure matters a lot more. Yet industry is hobbled by overcrowded highways where speeds average just 20 miles per hour. Some ports rely on armies of laborers to unload cargo from trucks and lug it onto ships. Across the state of Maharashtra, major cities lose power one day a week to relieve pressure on the grid. In Pune, a city of 4.5 million, it`s lights out every Thursday—forcing factories to maintain expensive backup generators. Government officials were shocked last year when Intel Corp. (INTC ) chose Vietnam over India as the site for a new chip assembly plant. Although Intel declined to comment, industry insiders say the reason was largely the lack of reliable power and water in India.

Add up this litany of woes and you understand why India`s exports total less than 1% of global trade, compared with 7% for China. Says Infosys Chairman N.R. Narayana Murthy: ``If our infrastructure gets delayed, our economic development, job creation, and foreign investment get delayed. Our economic agenda gets delayed—if not derailed.``

The infrastructure deficit is so critical that it could prevent India from achieving the prosperity that finally seems to be within its grasp. Without reliable power and water and a modern transportation network, the chasm between India`s moneyed elite and its 800 million poor will continue to widen, potentially destabilizing the country. Jagdish N. Bhagwati, a professor at Columbia University, figures gross domestic product growth would run two percentage points higher if the country had decent roads, railways, and power. ``We`re bursting at the seams,`` says Kamal Nath, India`s Commerce & Industry Minister. Without better infrastructure, ``we can`t continue with the growth rates we have had.``

The problems are even contributing to overheating in the economy. Inflation spiked in the first week of February to a two-year high of 6.7%, due in part to bottlenecks caused by the country`s lousy transport network. Up to 40% of farm produce is lost because it rots in the fields or spoils en route to consumers, which contributes to rising prices for staples such as lentils and onions.

India today is about where China was a decade ago. Back then, China`s economy was shifting into overdrive, but its roads and power grid weren`t up to the task. So Beijing launched a massive upgrade initiative, building more than 25,000 miles of expressways that now crisscross the country and are as good as the best roads in the U.S. or Europe. India, by contrast, has just 3,700 miles of such highways. It`s no wonder that when foreign companies weigh putting new plants in China vs. India to produce global exports, China more often wins out.

China`s lead in infrastructure is likely to grow, too. Beijing plows about 9% of its GDP into public works, compared with New Delhi`s 4%. And because of its authoritarian government, China gets faster results. ``If you have to build a road in China, just a handful of people need to make a decision,`` says Daniel Vasella, chief executive of pharmaceutical giant Novartis (NVS ). ``If you want to build a road in India, it`ll take 10 years of discussion before you get a decision.``

Blame it partly on India`s revolving-door democracy. Political parties typically hold power for just one five-year term before disgruntled voters, swayed by populist promises from the opposition, kick them out of office. In elections last year in the state of Tamil Nadu, for instance, a new government was voted in after it pledged to give free color TVs to poor families. ``In a sanely organized society you can get a lot done. Not here,`` says Jayaprakash Narayan, head of Lok Satta, or People Power, a national reform party.

Then there`s ``leakage``—India`s euphemism for rampant corruption. Nearly all sectors of officialdom are riddled with graft, from neighborhood cops to district bureaucrats to state ministers. Indian truckers pay about $5 billion a year in bribes, according to the watchdog group Transparency International. Corruption delays infrastructure projects and raises costs for those that move ahead.

Fortunately, after decades of underinvestment and political inertia, India`s political leadership has awakened to the magnitude of the infrastructure crisis. A handful of major projects have been completed; others are moving forward. Work on the Golden Quadrilateral—a $12 billion initiative spanning more than 3,000 miles of four- and six-lane expressways connecting Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata, and Chennai—is due to be completed this year. The first phase of a new subway in New Delhi finished in late 2005 on budget and ahead of schedule. And new airports are under construction in Bangalore and Hyderabad, with more planned elsewhere. ``We have to improve the quality of our infrastructure,`` Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told a gathering of tech industry leaders in Mumbai on Feb. 9. ``It`s a priority of our government.``

Singh, in fact, is promising a Marshall Plan-scale effort. The government estimates public and private organizations will chip in $330 billion to $500 billion over the next five years for highways, power generation, ports, and airports. In addition, leading conglomerates have pledged to overhaul the retailing sector. That will require infrastructure upgrades along the entire food distribution chain, from farm fields to store shelves.

Envisioning a brand-new India is the easy part; paying for it is another matter. By necessity, since the country`s public debt stands at 82% of GDP, the 11th-worst ranking in the world, much of the money for these new projects will have to come from private sources. Yet India captured only $8 billion in foreign direct investment last year, compared with China`s $63 billion. ``Having grandiose plans isn`t enough,`` says Yale University economics professor T.N. Srinivasan.

Just about every foreign company operating in India has a horror story of the hardships of doing business there. Nokia Corp. (NOK ) saw thousands of its cellular phones ruined last October when a shipment from its factory in Chennai was soaked by rain because there was no room to warehouse the crates of handsets at the local airport. Japan`s Maruti Suzuki says trucking its cars 900 miles from its factory in Gurgaon to the port in Mumbai can take up to 10 days. That`s partly due to delays at the three state borders along the way, where drivers are stalled as officials check their papers. But it`s also because big rigs are barred from India`s congested cities during the day, when they might bring dense traffic to a standstill. Once at the port, the Japanese company`s autos can wait weeks for the next outbound ship because there`s not enough dock space for cargo carriers to load and unload.

India`s summer monsoons wreak havoc, too. Even relatively light rains can choke sewers, flood streets, and paralyze a city, while downpours are devastating. Two years ago, Florida-based contract manufacturer Jabil Circuit Inc. saw shipments of computers and networking gear from its plant near Mumbai delayed for five days after an epic storm. ``In our business, five days is a really long time,`` says William D. Muir Jr., who oversees Jabil`s Asian operations.

Companies often have no choice but to make the best of a bad situation. Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO ), the American networking equipment giant, has had a research and development office in India since 1999 and already has 2,000 engineers in the country. To supply the country`s fast-growing telecommunications industry, Cisco decided last year to try its hand at making some parts locally. In December it contracted with another company to build Internet phones in the southeastern city of Chennai. Although Cisco says the quality of the workmanship is up to snuff, it has to fly parts in because the ports are so slow—and getting them to the factory right when they`re needed is proving nettlesome. ``We believe in manufacturing in India, but we don`t believe in logistics in India—yet,`` says Wim Elfrink, Cisco`s chief globalization officer. Elfrink adds that unless the Chennai operation demonstrates it can run as efficiently as Cisco setups elsewhere, it won`t go into full production as planned this summer.

Even the world`s largest maker of infrastructure equipment is constrained by India`s feeble underpinnings. General Electric Co. (GE ) last year sold $1.2 billion worth of gear such as power generators and locomotives in India, more than double what it billed in 2005. To meet that surging demand, it is scrambling to find a location where it can manufacture locomotives in partnership with India Railways. But when GE dispatched three employees to survey a potential site the railway favored in the northern state of Bihar, the trio returned discouraged. It took five hours to drive the 50 miles from the airport to the site, and when they got there they found...nothing. ``No roads, no power, no schools, no water, no hospitals, no housing,`` says Pratyush Kumar, president of GE Infrastructure in India. ``We`d have to create everything from scratch,`` including many miles of railroad tracks to get the locomotives out to the main lines.

But there is a silver lining for GE and other international giants: India`s infrastructure deficit could yield huge opportunities. American executives who traveled to India last November on the largest U.S. trade mission ever were tantalized by the possibilities. Jennifer Thompson, director of international planning at Oshkosh Truck Corp. (OSK ), viewed construction projects where swarms of workers carried wet concrete in buckets to be poured. That told her there`s great potential in India for selling Oshkosh`s mixer trucks. ``There are infrastructure challenges, but we see a lot of opportunities to help them meet those challenges,`` she says.

That explains why so many multinationals are flocking to India. Take hotel construction: In a country with only 25,000 tourist-class hotel rooms (compared with more than 140,000 in Las Vegas alone), companies including Hilton (HLT ), Wyndham (WYN ), and Ramada have plans for 75,000 rooms on their drawing boards. Or consider telecom. Because of deregulation and ferocious demand, India boasts the fastest growth in cell-phone service anywhere, with companies adding some 6 million new customers a month. No wonder Britain`s Vodafone Group PLC (VOD ) just ponied up $11 billion for a controlling interest in Hutchison Essar, India`s No. 4 mobile carrier. U.S. private equity outfits also want in on the action. On Feb. 15, Blackstone Group and Citigroup announced they are teaming up with the Indian government and the Infrastructure Development Finance Corp. to set up a $5 billion fund for infrastructure investments in India.

But while the laws of supply and demand would argue that India`s infrastructure gap can be filled, that logic ignores the corrosive effect of the country`s politics. To gain the favor of voters, Indian politicians have long subsidized electricity and water for farmers, a policy that has discouraged private investment in those areas. That`s what wrecked the now-infamous Dabhol Power plant. In the late 1990s, Enron, GE, and Bechtel spent a total of $2.8 billion building a huge complex near Mumbai capable of producing more than 2,000 megawatts of electricity. But a government power authority set prices so low that it was uneconomical for Dabhol to operate, and the whole deal fell apart. (The plant, taken over by an Indian organization, now runs only fitfully.) A 2001 law was supposed to create a framework to support private investment in power generation. But according to American construction company executives, it`s not working well. ``Everybody knows what needs to be done, but they have great difficulty doing it,`` says one of the Americans. ``If the party in opposition offers subsidized power, the party in power has to give subsidized power to get reelected.``

Politicians who refuse to play the game pay a steep price. N. Chandrababu Naidu, the former chief minister of the state of Andhra Pradesh, transformed the state capital of Hyderabad from a backwater into a high-tech destination by building new roads, widening others, and aggressively carving out land for factories and office parks. Google (GOOG ), IBM (IBM ), Microsoft (MSFT ), and Motorola (MOT ) have all built R&D facilities there.

His reward? Voters tossed him out of office two years ago. During his decade in power, Naidu didn`t do enough for rural areas, and his challenger promised to channel state funds into irrigation projects and electricity subsidies. ``Naidu thought economics were more important than politics. He was wrong,`` says V.S. Rao, director of the Birla Institute of Technology & Science in Hyderabad. Naidu, 56, is plotting a comeback in elections two years hence. This time, he`s preaching a new gospel. ``You can`t just target growth,`` says a chastened Naidu. ``You have to create policies that make the wealth trickle down to the common man.``

But even when politicians say they`re beefing up infrastructure, it rarely helps the poorest Indians. Agriculture is stagnant in part because of a lack of the most rudimentary of roads to get to and from fields. N. Tarupthurai, for instance, scratches out a living from a five-acre plot in Jinnuru, a village in northeastern Andhra Pradesh. But his fields are more than a mile from the nearest paved road, so each day the 40-year-old Tarupthurai must carry his tools, seeds, fertilizer, and crops down a dirt path on his back or on his bicycle. ``I have asked for a road, and the government says it`s under consideration,`` says the mustachioed, curly-haired farmer. Then he shrugs.

One reason little practical help makes it from the seats of power to India`s impoverished villages is that so much money gets siphoned off along the way. With corrupt officials skimming at every step, many public works projects either go over budget or are never completed. ``You figure that 25% of the cost goes to corruption,`` says Verghese Jacob, head of the Byrraju Foundation, which promotes rural development. ``And then they do such a bad job that the road falls apart in one year and has to be patched over again,`` Jacob says as he jostles along in a car on a potholed byway outside Hyderabad.

None of the solutions to India`s infrastructure challenges are simple, but business leaders, some enlightened government officials, and even ordinary citizens are chipping in to make things better. The most potent weapon India`s reformers have against corruption is transparency. Last October a new right-to-information law went into effect requiring both central and state governments to divulge information about contracts, hiring, and expenditures to any citizen who requests it. The country is also putting to work its vaunted technology prowess to police the government. Officials in 200 districts are using software from Tata Consultancy Services Ltd. to help monitor a government program that offers every rural household a guarantee of 100 days of work per year. Most of this labor goes into public works. To minimize ``leakage,`` the TCS software tracks every expenditure—and makes all of the information available real-time on a Web site accessible to anyone.

Sometimes frustrated Indians take matters into their own hands. Tired of spending four-plus hours a day in traffic, Aruna Newton last fall helped organize something of a women`s crusade to speed up infrastructure improvements. Nearly 15,000 volunteers now monitor key road projects and meet with state officials to press for action. They even enlisted the state chief minister`s mother, who helped get his attention. ``It`s about the collective power of the people,`` says Newton, a 40-year-old vice-president for Infosys. ``I just wish building a road was as easy as writing a software program.``

Increasingly, companies trying to expand in India have the government as a willing partner rather than a roadblock. The state of Andhra Pradesh rolled out the red carpet last year for MAS Holdings Ltd. of Sri Lanka, South Asia`s largest garment manufacturer. It promised subsidized electricity, new access roads, and even a deepwater port if the company would place a huge industrial park on the southern coast. Now MAS Holdings plans to build a cluster of factories that will eventually employ 30,000 production workers. And it chose India over China. ``The government support was absolutely vital,`` says John Chiramel, India director for MAS Holdings. ``If we can work together, there`s no stopping growth in this country.``

A key to getting massive projects off the drawing boards is forming public-private partnerships where the government and companies share costs, risks, and rewards. In 2005, India passed a groundbreaking law permitting officials to tap such partnerships for infrastructure initiatives. Developers ante up most of the money, collect tolls or other usage fees, and eventually hand the facilities back to the government.

The first project to take advantage of the new law is the $430 million international airport scheduled to open next year in Bangalore. The facility is designed to handle 11.5 million passengers per year—nearly double the capacity of the overburdened existing airport. It will be owned by a private company, which will turn it over to the Karnataka state government after 60 years. Global engineering and equipment giant Siemens (SI ) is helping to build the facility, and Switzerland`s Unique Ltd. will manage it. These companies are also equity investors. The state had to contribute just 18% of the cost. Without such an arrangement, Karnataka wouldn`t be getting a new airport.

A lot of India`s hopes rest on the airport deal`s success. If it proves the viability of public-private partnerships, more such ventures could come pouring in. A visit to the site instills confidence. Project manager Sivaramakrishnan S. Iyer is a crusty veteran of mammoth infrastructure ventures throughout South Asia and the Mideast. Wearing a scuffed hardhat, with a two-day growth of white stubble on his face, he surveys the site from a 2.5-mile-long bed of crushed granite that will be the runway. Work goes on seven days a week, 18 hours a day. Iyer is intent on wrapping up on schedule in April, 2008. ``We have the will to do it, and it will be done,`` he says.

Will the airport open on time? That`s not within Iyer`s control. Two government authorities are responsible for building the road that leads to the airport, and they`re locked in a dispute over how to do it. Work hasn`t started.

And so it goes in India. Unless the nation shakes off its legacy of bureaucracy, politics, and corruption, its ability to build adequate infrastructure will remain in doubt. So will its economic destiny.


By Steve Hamm, with Nandini Lakshman in Mumbai

Re: # 432

So this was the video showing shameless surrender of a `Geedarh` in tigers skin, which picture Hafeez Pirzada, the then Minister of Law in Bhutto Cabinet, was prevented from showing on the PTV frustrating his daring announcement to do so. We had waited long for seeing this film but were disappointed. That man is still alive but, as far as I know, he never dared even to mention his failure to keep up his words.

Btw, they say in the complete film a Sikh soldier had slapped Niazi Tiger. That has not been shown in this film. I doubt if this could have happened.

Going back several posts I find that Krishna_abcd has already posted the video of this great event......but then, a still is worth a thousand videos, hahahaha.

Look at the contented face of the officer on extreme right. Is he smiling? Did the General shake hands with him later, ``Thank you for letting our asses off the burner, Sir`` or something like that?

IS IT BETTER THAN THE IGNOMINY OF A SOLDIER`S CORPSE BEING CUT UP LIKE A PIG AND FED TO THE CATTLE?

What military honours he got for this?

Re: # 449

Look how the sikh soldier (on left side background) is laughing! Could the great Paki warrior have heard him laughing? Could he have died of shame? (Shame, and Pakistanis? No.)

Re: # 448 Further -


Anyone gloating over the photos of dead soldiers should sink in ground at the sight of this great warrior of Pakistan. These soldiers were poor dead soldiers...yes, poor and dead. You may feed a dead soldier to cattle and yet find no glory (may be in Pakistan you do, perhaps). But here it is a general, no less, who fed millions of his own countrymen to cattle. And he didn`t die of shame when signing this instrument of surrender, ABJECT SURRENDER...HAHAHAHAHA. And his funny little countrymen, they don`t die of shame when they see this photo, HAHAHAHAHAHA and they are shameless enough to gloat and gravedance over the photos of some dead soldiers, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Shame, shame, utter shame. Thoooooo.

Looks like our great Pakistani photomaniac hasn`t seen this photograph yet.

nb,

This photo is from a December 2005 article in rediff.com about border scuffles between Indians and B`Deshis. The villagers are Bangladeshis.

Refer to http://im.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/08bang2.jpg and the accompanying article.

Re: # 445
Sorry, I may have told you I`m not sure because villagers on both sides look like they can`t be bothered with carrying their own bodies, leave alone another one.

Re: # 433
How many times have I told you these are Indians?

Re: # 373
Explain yourself please.

Re: # 341
it amazes me that so many are serious about God at all. You do agree, don`t you?

#441 by zeemax

[Yes. Unless you meant something else in #434:

#434 by krishna_abcd
Yup. That looks like what happened AFTER Godhra. ]

It is not for nothing that you are the resident village idiot.

#440,

Was I?

Yes. Unless you meant something else in #434:

#434 by krishna_abcd
Yup. That looks like what happened AFTER Godhra.

#439 by zeemax

[And ... aren`t you the one who was just glorifying what you did in Godhra? ]

Was I?

[I think it`s all fair. It is who beheads whom first ... and I suspect it is you and your ilk who will soon lose their hat stands ..]

You think so? Well, we will see about that, won`t we?

Maybe there is something to the theory of Karma after all. Let`s watch and wait....

#438 by krishna_abcd

Yeah. So? I never protested it but I did point it out for the knowledge of ignoramuses like you. It`s a fight and US has to do what it has to do. US is killing Muslim civilians and Arabs are killing americans whether civilian or not .. Which one is better?

In fact, Muhammad should have beheaded and enslaved the previous two Jew tribes as well to whom he gave safe passage out of Medina. That was his mistake and he realized it later and corrected it. Those two tribes later not only made trouble for him, but also resulted in his death in poisoning him at Khaybar.

And ... aren`t you the one who was just glorifying what you did in Godhra? Kicking pregnant women and burning them alive? Which monster were you following?

I think it`s all fair. It is who beheads whom first ... and I suspect it is you and your ilk who will soon lose their hat stands ..

#437 by zeemax

[Of-course Muhammad had 700 jews beheaded and dumped in a trench and the women and children enslaved ... what`s wrong with that?]

Are you the same intellectual who has been waxing eloquent about the USA`s unethical behaviour in Iraq, and Modi`s ``pogroms``?

Eh?

#436 by krishna_abcd

Of-course Muhammad had 700 jews beheaded and dumped in a trench and the women and children enslaved ... what`s wrong with that?

:~)

#435 by resident village idiot

zee_microminiscule is delighted that the focus has shifted from the head katua and his crimes to other matters.

So tell me - do you have ANYTHING to disprove that the head cutloo beheaded 700 UNARMED civilians and sold their INNOCENT AND HELPLESS women and children into slavery?

Eh?

If not, admit publicly that you are the follower of a true monster.

Or else you could follow your other cult members on Chowk and conveniently shut up.

#434 by krishna_abcd

... err actually this isn`t godhra ... this is the bingos you liberated carrying off a hindoo soldier like a pig to cut him up and feed him to cattle.

... but perhaps you`ll like this better ... where is this?

#433 by zeemax

Yup. That looks like what happened AFTER Godhra.

Without comment ... a picture is worth a thousand words ...

Re: #430 by abu_safwaan

How was that for an ass-whopping? Eh? Cutlooooos?

:)

#430 by abu_safwaan

[Another ugloo hindoo taking out his frustrations and his insecurities by being verbally abusive in cyberspace. These same “sabji’s” are the most soft spoken and meeker than meek in real life because of the fear of ass-whoopin’. I have never met a hostile or rude hindoo in real life, because they know that muslims are short tempered and when u r 4’11 90 lbs u r better advised to take out the aggression and insecurities in cyberspace only.....]

Re: # 425 & all concerned bhindis

Another ugloo hindoo taking out his frustrations and his insecurities by being verbally abusive in cyberspace. These same “sabji’s” are the most soft spoken and meeker than meek in real life because of the fear of ass-whoopin’. I have never met a hostile or rude hindoo in real life, because they know that muslims are short tempered and when u r 4’11 90 lbs u r better advised to take out the aggression and insecurities in cyberspace only, so keep on it my lil hindoos…keep in mind lil sabji’s that if the Bedouins u so vehemently despise kicks out your daddy from the janitorial positions in UAE and Saudi then the bumbling economy that u like to bragg about will come crashing down, given that there toilets will be clogged as well but they can always hire Sikhs, so watch it hindoos’ daddy n mommys jobs are at stake.

Krishnoooaa, hahahahahahah this is getting too funny man, I feel rather sad at ur insistence that u r fair skinned I am almost compelled now to stop making fun of u, there is a sense of desperation, ok fine u r fair skinned..now go make me a burger.

Dear Chowk Staff
This interactor, called ZahraJ is picking fight with me for absolutely NO reason.

1:-I have never interacted with ZahraJ in the past.

2:- I have never read any of his gibberish on chowk.

3:- I have never personally attacked him.

Then why all this nonsense? Then why all this harrassement?

I request you chowk staff to interfere and stop this interactor ZahraJ`s erratic online behvaiour.

Thanks

#424 ZahraJ sahib

You sound exactly like a mentally retard, chromosomally defected with complete confused and ofcourse schizophrenic mind.

Brother

I feel pity for your mental health. You need emergent psychiatric treatment. What are you doing on chowk? You are just making all the boards chaotic with your own mental chaos.

Before you commit suicide or homicide , please consult psych emergency services.....

Sorry, I do not have any treatment for your damaged mind.

Dear Chowk Staff

Please, ban this schizophrenic man, called ZahraJ, who is abusing all other interactors becuse of his own schizophrenia.

Thanks

... noone to defend their dark and dank morass with 5.7m HIV carriers, 30,000 underage girls abducted and sold into sex slavery in kalakutta alone each year, the land of kherlanji type massacres .. where 75,000 stray rabid dogs roam the streets in ITBilliorainersVille aka BhangiLauroo, and where 60% of population lives in slums without toiletrs in the largest city without toilets and squats on railroads ...

Noone to defend all that .. huh? Not a single puny one ... :?

.... Now it is CONDOMS ...

While browsing Financial Times, this caught my eye:

India in dispute over the price of condoms

Published: March 2 2007

The World Bank and the UK’s Department for International Development have refused to finance the Indian government’s purchase of condoms to fight HIV/Aids because of an alleged lack of transparency in procurement procedures, the Financial Times has learnt.

The government now obtains condoms from local manufacturers such as the state-owned Hindustan Latex, which supplies hundreds of millions of contraceptives required under National Aids Control Program-III, a five-year plan starting next month.

HIV prevention organisations are angry about the high cost of government-procured condoms, saying that scarce funds are being wasted in India, which has the world’s biggest HIV caseload, according to UNAIDS, with an estimated 5.7m carriers last year.

“Domestic preference is playing a role here that it wouldn’t in other countries, leading to a situation where India is paying 30-40 per cent more than the world average,” said a senior international civil servant running an HIV programme in India. “It is very frustrating but the government says it’s non-negotiable.”

The head of a non-governmental HIV/Aids body said: “Over a billion condoms are being manufactured under government contract every year at a price that is 25-40 per cent above the market price. It all looks very ugly to me.”

So, after stealing from coffins of fallen soldiers, now they`re stealing from Condoms funded by World Bank.

... Great going...injuns

#421 by abu_safwaan

[ohhh ohh..we got a lil mughal in us now don`t we?..]


Oye low-class mongol-rape-victim-ke-aulad, :)

No. We don`t. I am Brahmin. My family has been Brahmin for thousands of years. Brahmins are more often fair than not.

Sorry. UNLIKE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, I am not the product of rape.

Stick to taxicab driving. And keep studying the pedophile`s manual.


:))

Sorry I have no tolerance for creatures who spin and weave stories and lies; and have multiple personalities/nicks. Such creatures try to emulate others to give one impression(whatever their insecurities are ...) and quickly forget their past conduct. My earlier post was addressed to Chowk Admin and not to the uncouth and unstable creature. I hope Chowk`s standard has not dropped that low to let this impostor be the spokesperson.

This impostor has a tendency to parrot others` posts, ideas and expressions. I guess that is the result of some deep rooted insecurities and the desire to sound smart. Interestingly, the mindset is quite conniving. When a few interactors are away from Chowk or a discussion board, this poster will try to assume their identity. I guess that`s why there is so much gap in communication and comprehension.

These traits suggest that the interactor is either a chameleon or suffer from multiple personality order. The best thing would be to consult a specialist. Normal human beings do not behave this way.

Good luck!

Re: # 421

Abu Katue,

You would not know a Sati or a Savitri even if she kickd you on the balls.

Or perhaps they were removed to make you a Ali and guard Harems.

Vaise Krishnaji,

Islam is the ultimate imperialism. As one of Lohia`s famous quotes was the Indian muslais are incorrigible (Indian to mean Indian subcontinent) it is one thing to know about the rape of your mothers and motherland it is quite another to revile in it.

This explains the problems with these jokers they know their women folk were violated and converted and since THAT IS A FACT to hide their shame they say similar things about Hindu Women.

AAbu katue a Hindu women when she was violated committed suicide rather than commit the crime of producing a Muslai`s offspring and no her father and brothers never had to resort to honour killing for this their sense of Honour was so high.

Waise Krishna JI I think I am being cruel to this offspring of a raped ex Hindu woman (though Raand would be a better word) telling him things he does not think can exixst as they do not exist in him or his community things like sense of Honour.

Ja apni Ma ****da aur khush ho.

Regards
Sanatani

ZahraJ sahib

So, you abused me for this innocent post......#408..

Dear chowk staff

Please, just read the contents of this post.......and justify ....

[[[#408 by Zeena on March 1, 2007 1:43pm PT

My CONDOLENCE note to the relatives of the deceased ones in this train tragedy.

I know how you feel when you lose your loved one`s ........I also know those innocent people are in peace in heaven.........there is no ointment for your wounds. But, I just wanna share a moment of silence with you in the honor of those who lost their lives for some unknown reasons...................b/c we humans can`t comprehend what`s the reason behind every action?

I wish I could hug all of you personally a, wipe off your tears and could put an ointment of
love on your fresh wounds......

May God give peace to resting souls and your souls. Ameen....

Dear Chowk Staff

Thank you so much for being fair and for supporting unflinching idealism.....
Chowk staff is very intellectual and we should be thankful to chowk staff for giving us a free opportunity to interact and learn from so many learned people around.

Atleast, i have learned so much from all these respectable and intelligent interactors.

#400

Stop acting like a prude. Stop blaming chowk staff for your own deeds. You should be thankful to chowk staff for giving you an ample opportunity to interact with us.

Re: # 416
hahahahahaha...ohh yes yes krishnoooo putrewqerwertyushjdklsiomanoranjan you are a real eye candy..n watd u say u r fair skinnedd ohhh ohh..we got a lil mughal in us now don`t we?..that granny of urs wasnt all that sachii-savitri after all.....hahahahahahahaha...thas why u should never take ur foot outta ur mouth..u ugly-azz hindoooooo

ZahraJ sahib

Tell me, what is your beef with me? Why you called me ,``schizophrenic impostor``?

Have I ever personally attacked you? Never

Have I ever tried to interact with your gibberish that you write all over the chowk? never

Why all this moronish personal attacking and irrelevant post about me? nonsensical

Dear Chowk staff

This interactor ZahraJ is crossing all the limits of your set interact guidelines. I do not wish to retaliate. I trust your moderation. Please, do your moderation on this board as well.

ZahraJ is derailing this whole article with his irrelevancy.

Chowk Admin - I agree we should apply the guidelines and ban this insecure impostor for good.

Dear chowk staff

Please, apply your interact guidelines equally here on this board.

Just look @ [[[#413 by ZahraJ on March 2, 2007 0:42am PT
#408 - Schizophrenic impostor!]]]

Tell me if this is relevant? This interactor is out of control. Please, control his/her behaviour.

Thanks

[[#413 by ZahraJ on March 2, 2007 0:42am PT
#408 - Schizophrenic impostor!]]]

Dear Chowk staff

This interactor called ZahraJ is harrassing me with his/her personal attacks.

Please, delete this interact or ban this irrelevant interactor who feels no shame in calling people names.

Thanks

#407 by abu_safwaan

[People people people.. Krishna Mohalikuytrewadsfarijhkalyalam is not sick, he is not a pron addict, he is just ugly. Thats really it. When you are as ugly as him, world is your enemy. He looks around and he sees these fair-skinned Muslims who are all taller than 4`11 and he is bitter, at some level he really wished that he was a Muslim but then he woudnt be able to smell like curry all day long cause eventually he would have to use a soap and he thinks he is allergic to that. It really all boils down to his insecurities which stems from his ugliness and short height.]


Abey moosla katuey :))

I am a North Indian Brahmin. I am tall and also definitely fairer than the overwhelming majority of Mooslas in Pakistan. In fact, when I see a cricket match stadium in Pakiland, 98% of people I see are dark complexioned.

So stop your low class uneducated cab-driver reasoning.

Keep worshipping that pedophile. Until you get daisy cuttered by Americans.

:)

#406 by resident village idiot

[Particularly when some of these are doctored ... like the Iran stoning preperation photo ..

But he`s sick. No doubt about that.]

Is that the best you could do? :) That ONE picture is doctored? How about the thousands of others?

And leave the pictures. How about the fact that the head Moosla beheaded 700 unarmed men? And sold their INNOCENT AND HELPLESS women and children into slavery?

Eh? Any comebacks? Anything to defend the head katua?

I don`t think so. :)

#405 by Shah2

[you must be like porno loving voyer looking at despecable pictures...

It does not matter whose pic in the frame is but surely who gloates on it is also sick to the stomach]


Forget about me. How about the pictures, eh?

Is that your ``religion``? Thoooo thooo pthooo!!!

And how about the fact that the head Moosla beheaded 700 unarmed men? And sold their INNOCENT AND HELPLESS women and children into slavery?

Eh? There is no word strong enough to express my disgust and repulsion at your ``religion``.

Ughhhhh!!!

#408 - Schizophrenic impostor!

nb jii
C`mon, she is not only pretty , but also very very innocent looking lil girl with angelic look in her eyes.................awwwww

Just look At her innocent eyes.....

Re: # 352
Sorry, I don`t think she`s particularly good looking.

#

I did not think our Musalman warriors were so faint hearted, BACKSHOWERS and BATTLE-FIELD-DESSERTERS. Congrats Hindus. You have won!
And Musalmans, disappear and stop showing so that we can at least call you SHAHIDS!!

Samar

I found this column by Saeed Naqvi in the Indian Express particularly touching and thought-provoking.

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Step across those lines
Saeed Naqvi
Posted online: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 0000 hrs IST
Intimations of mortality is what I would put it down to, this recent procession of friends who have died and whose ashes have had to be immersed in Hardwar or holy rivers elsewhere. Obviously these were Hindus.

A Muslim death, if one can trace down one’s ancestry a few generations, is a rather more territorial affair. An Indian Muslim, if he can help it, likes to be buried in his ‘native’ place. Since Justice Sachar has confirmed Indian Muslims as being a financially embarrassed lot, transporting the deceased from the location of his or her expiry is a huge inconvenience to relatives who are committed to fulfilling the wishes of the dead and of abiding by traditions. This reverie on ashes and graves has been triggered by the terrorist attack on the Samjhauta Express, which transports passengers from Delhi to Lahore and the other way round.

The terminals for this train being Delhi and Lahore creates the impression that it represents some durable system of sustaining people-to-people contact between the two countries. People-to-people, in the Indo-Pak context, would conjure up images of a burgeoning Hindu-Muslim jamboree. This is a huge misunderstanding about the Samjhauta Express, attacked by the terrorists on Sunday night killing almost 70.

Most of those killed were Muslims, both Indians and Pakistanis, returning from relatives in India or travelling to relatives in Pakistan. Some Hindus died too but these were mostly jawans of the Government Railway Protection Force. Their death sheds further light on the Samjhauta Express tragedy.

One of the oozing sores Partition left behind were divided Muslim families. As far as Hindus and Sikhs are concerned the transfer of populations was bloody but total.

The tragedy of Muslims has been of a different order, particularly the Muslims from UP, Bihar and Hyderabad. These families did not migrate en masse. Most were torn apart: parents in India; children in Pakistan. Brothers in India; sisters, married to men with a future on the other side, in Pakistan. An uncle of mine, a captain in the British Indian army actually placed a measuring tape on a map of undivided India to see if Bombay (where he was posted) and Karachi were the same distance from our village of Mustafabad, near Rae Bareli. They were. He moved to Karachi where generals and brigadiers of his acquaintance promised him the moon in the new Islamic state.

Mohajirs (or immigrants) were trapped in all sorts of ironies because this rather ambitious uncle of mine retired and died with no higher rank than that of a major! I am not for a moment suggesting that he would have made it as the army chief had he stayed on in India. The point I am making is that the destination as El Dorado soured as a dream for many Muslims who crossed over. Muslims from the most effete enclaves of India had to make the near impossible adjustment in the hegemonic hold of the energetic Punjabi.

It is largely these Muslims, poor souls, who populated the Samjhauta Express both ways. In a sense it is not a ‘samjhauta’ but a sort of ‘majboori’ or a ‘compulsory’ express. The Monabao-Khokrapar route in Rajasthan-Sindh and the Attari-Wagah train in Punjab have been in operation since soon after Partition, subject to the usual stoppages conditioned by fluctuations in political temperatures between the countries.

Initially, those who had crossed over to Karachi and Hyderabad in Sindh imagined (as did some of the earlier Congress leaders) that Partition was a temporary inconvenience and soon folks would move to and fro like in some imaginary Schengen visa regime. The opposite happened. Attitudes hardened as the two new nation states secured the contours of their distinct nationalisms. The two nations fought several wars, transforming that magical vale of Kashmir into a continuously muffled wail. Since 1989, not so muffled either. It was against this tragic backdrop that the poor on both sides clutched onto the only valuable, they had been left with — relatives on both sides of the border. This is where the Samjhauta Express comes in handy. And now is this thread too being snapped?

There are various categories of people who travel between India and Pakistan. The seminarists, track-two professionals and the rich fly. This costs Rs 15,000. The Delhi-Lahore-Delhi bus costs Rs 900 each way. Both these methods of transport are beyond the means of those for whom relatives are the primary emotional anchor in life — the poorest Muslims on both sides. The Samjhauta fare is Rs 120.

It is these poor lives that have been lost in a macabre incineration of the two coaches.
The Godhra train tragedy had a political consequence. After the tragedy and subsequent mayhem, Narendra Modi won the elections in Gujarat. Before the tragedy, the BJP was routed in UP.

What consequences might one expect from this tragedy? Either the authors of this ghastly act have been so subtle as to leave us all totally baffled. Or, they have been so foolishly transparent as to make their target crystal clear: the Indo-Pak peace process. Pakistan Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri was to arrive the next day. The pundits, of course, will get down to sequencing — Baghliar, Sir Creek, Siachen, Kashmir, the joint mechanism — each one of them sunk in deep thought.

Time was when one could consider New Delhi-Srinagar, India-Pakistan as one complex of issues. The lens now pans a much wider canvas. Americans are stuck in
Iraq, Afghanistan. Heaven knows what is in store for Iran. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India is one contiguous belt. Is Indo-Pak peace possible in the midst of such regional volatility?

If this bilateral matter is not extricated from the blazes, then what hope for the great Indian surge? Under this huge canopy of strategic issues is being played out an existential drama in the life of Salma whose husband is buried in her UP village, father in Karachi. Where should she turn for the burial of her sister? And what of those poor constables, escorting the train, who were charred along with the passengers whose security they were supposed to oversee. How could they have escaped when the coaches of the Samjhauta are sealed in Delhi and unsealed in Attari — the quest for security resulting in its exact opposite.

My CONDOLENCE note to the relatives of the deceased ones in this train tragedy.

I know how you feel when you lose your loved one`s ........I also know those innocent people are in peace in heaven.........there is no ointment for your wounds. But, I just wanna share a moment of silence with you in the honor of those who lost their lives for some unknown reasons...................b/c we humans can`t comprehend what`s the reason behind every action?

I wish I could hug all of you personally a, wipe off your tears and could put an ointment of
love on your fresh wounds......

May God give peace to resting souls and your souls. Ameen....

Dear Chowk Staff

Thank you so much for being fair and for supporting unflinching idealism.....
Chowk staff is very intellectual and we should be thankful to chowk staff for giving us a free opportunity to interact and learn from so many learned people around.

Atleast, i have learned so much from all these respectable and intelligent interactors.

#400

Stop acting like a prude. Stop blaming chowk staff for your own deeds. You should be thankful to chowk staff for giving you an ample opportunity to interact with us.

People people people.. Krishna Mohalikuytrewadsfarijhkalyalam is not sick, he is not a pron addict, he is just ugly. Thats really it. When you are as ugly as him, world is your enemy. He looks around and he sees these fair-skinned Muslims who are all taller than 4`11 and he is bitter, at some level he really wished that he was a Muslim but then he woudnt be able to smell like curry all day long cause eventually he would have to use a soap and he thinks he is allergic to that. It really all boils down to his insecurities which stems from his ugliness and short height. No need to take him seriosuly just laugh at him, thats his comfert zone, if you people indulge him in a theological discussions then he becomes antsy and obnoxious which is not good for his therapy.

#405 by Shah2

Particularly when some of these are doctored ... like the Iran stoning preperation photo ..

But he`s sick. No doubt about that.

#401 Krishana Sri devi....
you must be like porno loving voyer looking at despecable pictures...

It does not matter whose pic in the frame is but surely who gloates on it is also sick to the stomach

I eat meat and everything but this story really creeped me out... back home, one of my friends had this muslim neighbor. On the occasion of a muslim festival, they killed a goat. When my friend asked his muslim neighbor why they can`t just kill the goat instead of subjecting it to the worst imaginable torture killing, then came the reply `` bhai saheb...dil ko itni sukhoon milti hai .... ``.

That picture of a Muslim mob killing a Hindu is really creepy... kinda reminds me what will happen in all those lands where muslims will become a majority. All the hindus and sikhs in UK should immediately align with BNP in UK and bring it to power as soon as possible....

Yikes,

Sadists

I am a totally non-practising Hindu, so no great love for that religion..... but Islam really creeps me out.

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#397 by abu_safwaan


Here`s some proof that you are a subzero IQ cabbie:

[2) You are forced to worship monkeys, elephants, cow-poop and only God know what else, and every time that single digit IQ of urs kick in...]


[3) After all of these weapons and supposed arsenal that is the result of your nation’s studiousness, I mean ugly people are good students, we do give you that....]


See what I mean? Eh? Cabbie?

:)




[But you have to understand those sister’s of urs have met real men for the first time and they can’t keep their hands off of us...]

All Paki girls I`ve met were very good at BJs.

Hmmm....So they just slap you around. Eh, cabbie? Maybe because they see that you are dumb as a doorpost with no future. :)

The recent stupidity of Chowk`s Admin is beyond comprehension. The unprofessional moderators (a shame to the concept of moderation) are censoring posts from interactors who are just expressing their opinions on the articles or news, whereas posters and imposters who have made Chowk`s interact section a gibberish den aka communication channel are promoted to copy and paste left, right and center. If anything Chowk should censor and remove jargon posted in 377 and 378 -- it should stay where it belongs (unplugged). I guess enlightened moderation is only possible when the moderators have any sensible neurons left to distinguish between jargon and substance.

Very Disappointing!

The difference is not if MohMad was a killer.....it is animal instinct to kill competition......a tiger kills and a hyena kills.....one kill is admired the other scorned....

MohMad was a coward backstabber.....type of a killer.....muslims ape his kanjarpana.......


Salim`s comments about Punjus are right......it is time for introspection......they have evolved into this by thousands of invasions......good punjus were killed by invaders....bootlicker fratercidal were spared.....thus the undesired habits and traits linger on.......

#397 Abu Safwaan

Abey Abu, your intellect is dazzling!

I mean, it truly shows - based on your level of discourse. Also, it goes a long way toward promoting the concept of peace and harmony for all the people of the world in general and the subcontinental natives in particular.

Chowk staff must be commended for their impartial application and enforcement of the guidelines! They are probably trying to make up their minds right now whether they should bump up your interact index to measly 2.0 or whether to push it to its well-deserved 4.0!

It is such a difficult task!

Way to go, bro!

Re: # 395
Krishna MorthyerafsdghjsuytreyuioplkhagfdsaPulyalam,

You can bobble your head all day long and huff & puff to the umpteenth degree and jump up n down like ur Monkey God but all o that still won’t make me responsible for ur miserable existence. There are three things that are causing you this constipation.

1) You are ugly and you are mad at the world for it, I mean its not our fault, have you seen ur parents? What do u expect coming from the mating of that, Brad Pitt? I don’t think so!

2) You are forced to worship monkeys, elephants, cow-poop and only God know what else, and every time that single digit IQ of urs kick in, it dawns some sort of realization of how maddening the whole concept is, because in order to be Hindu without a shadow of doubt, ur IQ really needs to be zero, but since it is in single digits its really a hindrance in ur contentment with ur religion so work on brining that to zero, shouldn’t be hard after all u r hindu so just focus on cow-poop and it’ll come.

3) After all of these weapons and supposed arsenal that is the result of your nation’s studiousness, I mean ugly people are good students, we do give you that, but then again with mug like your’s ain’t getting any love from femininas so books are the only solace, which is good and constructive, so what I was saying was that after all the military arsenal dawood bhai’s name is enuff to make you all pee in ur dhoti’s, cause u see courage comes mostly from balls which we have already established you won’ ever get because of ur fascination with cow-pee instead of beef. So you see the circle is complete, it all comes back to cows, start eating them instead of washing urself with their urine, and that just might be a step in the right direction.

By the way that Cab driver bid doesn’t even make sense, I am not sikh! You can make fun of me by calling me a procrastinator or womanizer or something along those lines, cause we do always get ur better looking “sabjans” on campus and are usually late to turn in our assignments. But you have to understand those sister’s of urs have met real men for the first time and they can’t keep their hands off of us so who has time for the Java project.

#
Believing (or no believing) in God has got some meaning, some reason. But believing, following, spreading and fighting for it, protecting it etc. etc. has no meaning. Religion essentially is interpretation by some human beings and is bound to create havoc if brought out of book!

Not convinced?

Ok. Go to hell! Or make the earth hell!!

Samar

#390 by abu_safwaan

[This is truly comical; we are supposed to defend our religion in front of morons who just took a shower in cow piss.]

You mean, you could ``defend`` your ``religion`` to a non-Hindu aethist?

There is NOTHING you can say to defend a crminal who beheaded 700 UNARMED civilians and sold their INNOCENT and HELPLESS women and children into slavery.

Accept it, abey Mongolian rapist-ki-aulad cab driver :) - accept the fact that you and your family has been hoodwinked by a sex-craved megalomaniac.

[Saji’s were always a clear majority but our forefathers rode their asses for 800 years.]

Some Mongolian might have ridden your great-grandmas` asses :), but MY ancestors never gave in. That`s why I am still Hindu today. And you are a stinking moosla. :D

[GET OVER IT. If your gutless forefathers had a hint of balls they should have snatched the kingdom from muslim rulers.]

We did. It`s the great land called India. :)


[But see Gobhi & bhindi are only going to give you enough energy to be the meek little existence that you were, are and will be. In order to be men you need beef my lil darkies,]

Gobhi and bhindi are good enough to whip your Paki Muslim ass every time. Heh heh heh. :D

Why are you Mooslas such losers? Eh? You cutloos lose to India, lose to Israel, get a whipping in Spain and run for your life, get Daisy Cuttered in your own country, get sodomized in Xinxiang in China, get bent over and abused in Chechnya, in Bosnia...the list is endless. So the allah-dude is not looking out for ya? Whatsup with that? Eh? Cabbie?

Eat some bacon for a change. Oh wait. That would be eating your own kind. THAT`S WHY it is prohibited...Okay...don`t have to eat your own. :) Then lick some more Arab goo.....


Ha ha ha ha..... :)

#388# and above

If they don`t doubt it is always bound to happen. You may not doubt God (Allah or anything) but you must doubt Religion. Doubter of the world, unite! Save the world!!

Samar

Re: # 391
Ohoo Mohrayy..u back again? i thought dunkin doughnuts is 24/7 but iguess they unleashed ur chains...

Am i suppose to disrespect your grandmother now? I won`t ...she was hindu..thas enuff humiliation for a life time.....hows that burger comin` monkey boy?

Re: # 390
Abu-safwaan,

Nope, no need to defend one retarded ideology against other retarded and outdated
ideologies. People have unsuccessfully tried to do it over millenia.

Thank you very much.

Re: # 390
[..we are supposed to defend our religion...]

well then why are you? your a$$ is in fire because the truth is being told... :)

anyway - it`s your ancestor who gave up the fight against the barbarians and converted to bedouinism under the threat of violence and brutality... your great-great-grandma was raped by a smelly bedouin and thus your bloodline started as a ``muslim``...

Eat a piece of bacon and be a man... stop trying to be a bedouin... :)

This is truly comical; we are supposed to defend our religion in front of morons who just took a shower in cow piss. Explain your monkey gods and gupathi puppa’s and gay dances with make up and burning of your mothers with dead fathers. Fact of the matter is that these head-bobbling “subji’s” are still pissed off at the history. Saji’s were always a clear majority but our forefathers rode their asses for 800 years. GET OVER IT. If your gutless forefathers had a hint of balls they should have snatched the kingdom from muslim rulers. But see Gobhi & bhindi are only going to give you enough energy to be the meek little existence that you were, are and will be. In order to be men you need beef my lil darkies, stop worshiping the moo and put a fork in it dumbazzess.

Salim

you picked the wrong example to compare with Mo, pubh... if you have to find a genocidal hindu figure, the history may not give you too many choices... you should rather pick one from the current crop of fools from RSS... :)

Even then - none of them will even hold a candle to what Mo of Arabia has done in his time... that`s the truth... :(

Re: # 387
watch out raw_dust. Dr shaik was sentenced to death for just using his brian and
making this innocuous statement that Muhammed did not become a Muslim before the age of forty and that his parents were non-Muslims.
You have to rememeber we are not dealing with rational human beings here.
That is why you see this eerie silence descend on this forum.

Salim_Chauhan:
Mohammad`s actions as a killer, rapist and a pedophile remain regardless the monstrous actions of Krishna or any Deity_X`s (..of you choice). Islam cannot admit it for to admit it is going to undo the whole fraud from top-down, from Allah-Koran-Sunnah to the basis of a man`s faith.

Re: # 371

Krishna,
Can you refute that your namesake, the divine Lord Krishna, encouraged, abetted, and himself participated in the killing and thorough eradication of the Kauravas? Does this mean that Hinduism tolerates and even promotes genocide?

Wow! now Salim Katua is likening Bhagwan Shri Krishna to the peadophile rapist.

Ok Random comments:

Shri Krishna trying to avert battle by going to Gandhari and adressing her as Mata. Shri Krishna bowing and paying obesiance to Gandhari and apologising for the death of her sons even though she courses him ans Shri Krishna who has said previously to her that I do not apologise to them for their death as they represented evil but to you who bore them says I would have bowed before you now (as I leave) the same way I did when I came but do not so as to prevent you from having to take the effort of blesing me again.

This to another man`s mother one who had killed his beloved nephew against the code of conduct of war.

Ok now a pertinent question how many people did Shri Krishna Enslave, how many did he enslave and how many did he expel from their homes and hearths? How many concubines how many people did he tell now since I have won you must only worship me, what did he tell to Arjun about Bhagwan Shiva did he tell him to worship this ``rival god`` or did he said I will burn you in hell fire in case you worship him.

The Kauravas asked for battle when they refused to give even 5 villages in exchange for half a kingdom.

Recall what he tells his brother Balram that when Dharam is at stake then one who watches on the sideline also shares (some of) the blame that accrues to one who fights for adharam.

Salim Mian do you want to take Mo head on with Bhagwan Shri Krishna let us take it forward.

In the end many of the Islam is Good, Muhammed is Gr8 but the Muslims (and that too a tiny %) misinterpret it will be convinced ISLAM IS EVIL.

More on the God Later and Much More on the peadophile rapist murderer still later.

BTW you have not given any answers to the question/facts etc I have mentioned earlier regarding your cult of murder mayhem and rape.

Ok Q. No 7296 to show gr8ness of Hindusim vis a vis Islam

Mention any Islamic Country (only 1) where a minority has progressed and developed in full freedom with their head held high and told the majority things like ``The problem with India is the Hindu Religion`` Sam Manekshaw to an audience in Delhi.

When I politely asked him Sam Bahadur could Cowasjee say the same thing to an audience of the majority community in Pakistan he had the good sense to be embarassed, blush and apologise.

Sanatani

#375 by tahmed32

tahmed, the bombing of Lebanon was an attempt to depopulate the entire Southern Lebanon, to drive away households by first bombing milk factories and utilities, and when that didn`t work, by bombing the households themselves. And when people fled, dropping over a million cluster bombs in their fields in the two days preceding imminent ceasefire to prevent their returning and to take away their livelihoods. It was a monumental crime against humanity.

So when injuns talk about the Litani river, they should shut up because they supported this crime.

#379 by abu_safwaan

[Krishnamorthypulaylan Abcdfgshrwiyruiogopalan,

Abbayy bhangii kii nasal, go grow some marbles first, but then again for that you would have to eat beef and You won’t cause that’s your God….i mean how can you morons even show ur face in public? I mean people who believe in monkeys n dogs, genitalia, elephants as saviors should never be allowed to say anything unless its a song n dance routine. How are you suppose to have a theological and serious debate with a stinko who just “Pavitered’” himself with cow-urine? Go fry doughnuts or something monkey-boy. ]

Abey abu_camelpissdrinkingarabslave,

All that may or may not be true, but nothing can be lower than worshipping a pedophile, mass murderer and serial rapist like this mo dude. Nothing.

Trust me. Ask any of your Taxi-cab passengers. They`ll tell you.

And post your Mongol family`s mugshots on this website. Let`s check out the ugly mugs. :)

No goats please. :)

#371 by Salim_Chauhan

[Krishna,
Can you refute that your namesake, the divine Lord Krishna, encouraged, abetted, and himself participated in the killing and thorough eradication of the Kauravas? Does this mean that Hinduism tolerates and even promotes genocide? ]

Discounting a few resident village idiots like zee_micro, I wish you could see how your response looks from a critical perspective.

The judgement whether mo was an evil man should stand by itself, regardless of whether Hinduism is an evil religion or Hindu mythical figures are actually monsters.

I take it then that you have NOTHING to refute the fact that mo killed 700 UNARMED civilians and sold their HELPLESS AND INNOCENT women and children into slavery.

That make this mo a true monster. Your mother was a good and decent woman, but she had been taught wrong and fooled by all the Islamic propaganda and upbringing.

You have been idolizing a monster. Face up to it like a man. And tell yourself that you no longer belong to any cult. Come join the race of Humanity and breathe free.

Quit the drug. You can do it.

#371 by Salim_Chauhan

Excellent rebuttal.

You shall kill the unrighteous, not out of anger and vengeance, but because it is your duty.

Indeed. That`s the dictate of `Dharma`, but Swarrier feels `dharma` might be something other than a religious dictate, though he wasn`t sure ... :~)

#377# Salim_Chauhan,
Salim Bhai,

Do you personally know these Charlies and Zeemaxes and all? Just asked because you happen to interact with them very often and that too with all the logic and fervor. Are they Pujabees? But here in our side Punjabees are considered very nice people. Progressive, hard working, intelligent, helping and most patriotic. What happened to Paki Punjabees? What I have gathered from your interacts and some of the others is that they are rather racist types resembling Bush uncle. Or he is their father or something?

Samar

[#346 by zeemax on February 26, 2007 0:40am PT
#326 by einsteinwallah
Thanks for your attempt, but actually Indian Visas are specific for both entry and exit, which HAVE to be the same ... e.g. you can`t enter from Bombay and leave from Delhi. It is for the purpose of readily matching entries with exits ( though I don`t know why it should be so given realtime technology).

My question was that every single person who exited through Atari would have been cross-checked with his entry details for overstay and stuff like that. Where is that list?]

You are right. I take back my wo