Pakistan Shinning I - Propoganda or Reality
Zarrar Said March 8, 2007
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#103 Posted by zeemax on March 14, 2007 11:56:07 pm
Hmmm .. this article has been deleted from FP. Chowk under censorship?
#102 Posted by arjun2 on March 14, 2007 10:02:49 am
#99 by Urstruly on March 14, 2007 7:22am PT
Duniya main Qateel iss saa munafiq nahin koi
Jo zulm to sehta hai baghawat nahin karta
sher-o-shayiri in detriot/flint(or UK, like welfare queen) advances the bagawath how?
Duniya main Qateel iss saa munafiq nahin koi
Jo zulm to sehta hai baghawat nahin karta
sher-o-shayiri in detriot/flint(or UK, like welfare queen) advances the bagawath how?
#101 Posted by zeemax on March 14, 2007 9:49:08 am
#100 by hasanmahmood
Has everyone forgotten that this man is accused of corruption ...
Abey ... he`s not accused of corruption but of misconduct. Since you don`t even know that, I can only laught at your ignorance. Get some education.
Rest of your post is the usual BS.
Has everyone forgotten that this man is accused of corruption ...
Abey ... he`s not accused of corruption but of misconduct. Since you don`t even know that, I can only laught at your ignorance. Get some education.
Rest of your post is the usual BS.
#100 Posted by HasanMahmood on March 14, 2007 9:42:47 am
# 65
zeemax you are an idiot and are speaking like a true punjabi. Calling oneself mohajir does not mean one is not a pakistani just like taking pride in being a Punjabi does not mean you are not a Pakistani. You can be a Mohajir, Pushtun, Balochi, Sindhi and yes even Punjabi and still be a Pakistani. Mohajir means someone whose family migrated from India and who is proud of all the sacrifices his/her family made. Also, before you guys go off the handle and start blaming the so-called ``gun-totting General`` for abuse of power - ask yourself this question..Where were you guys when Zardari was looting the wealth of this country or when Benazir was transferring wealth into Surrey estate or when Nawaz was building the raiwand estate. The answer is ``nowhere`` becase these people did not give you enough right to speak your mind in the so-called democracy. Yes if truly this has happened because Musharaf abused his power then something should be done. But stop blaming the government before the proof comes out. Has everyone forgotten that this man is accused of corruption - or just because Mushi was behind the order it has to be wrong. People stop speaking like Fazl-ur-Rehman and start thinking with your own mind. At least stop and let the courts decide and look at the proof before starting your chant for democracy. Musharaf did not fire him but put his case in front of the judiciary (just like every other country). If this guy is corrupt then who do you think should have taken the action. He held the highest post. Who in the judicial system had the guts to go gainst him if not Musharaf. Come on people, before putting blame on Musharaf look at your country and be happy at the progress. At least you are safe from thugs like Benazir and Nawaz. Stop shouting democracy before you know what it is. I am not saying Musharaf is the best but he is far better than the two idiots we had to endure during our ``democratic golden years``.
And by the way when your se-called esteemed lawyers get on top of a car and chant slogans it shows you the tru face of your country. this is your intellengcia andyou want democracy. You want these people running your government - pathetic!
zeemax you are an idiot and are speaking like a true punjabi. Calling oneself mohajir does not mean one is not a pakistani just like taking pride in being a Punjabi does not mean you are not a Pakistani. You can be a Mohajir, Pushtun, Balochi, Sindhi and yes even Punjabi and still be a Pakistani. Mohajir means someone whose family migrated from India and who is proud of all the sacrifices his/her family made. Also, before you guys go off the handle and start blaming the so-called ``gun-totting General`` for abuse of power - ask yourself this question..Where were you guys when Zardari was looting the wealth of this country or when Benazir was transferring wealth into Surrey estate or when Nawaz was building the raiwand estate. The answer is ``nowhere`` becase these people did not give you enough right to speak your mind in the so-called democracy. Yes if truly this has happened because Musharaf abused his power then something should be done. But stop blaming the government before the proof comes out. Has everyone forgotten that this man is accused of corruption - or just because Mushi was behind the order it has to be wrong. People stop speaking like Fazl-ur-Rehman and start thinking with your own mind. At least stop and let the courts decide and look at the proof before starting your chant for democracy. Musharaf did not fire him but put his case in front of the judiciary (just like every other country). If this guy is corrupt then who do you think should have taken the action. He held the highest post. Who in the judicial system had the guts to go gainst him if not Musharaf. Come on people, before putting blame on Musharaf look at your country and be happy at the progress. At least you are safe from thugs like Benazir and Nawaz. Stop shouting democracy before you know what it is. I am not saying Musharaf is the best but he is far better than the two idiots we had to endure during our ``democratic golden years``.
And by the way when your se-called esteemed lawyers get on top of a car and chant slogans it shows you the tru face of your country. this is your intellengcia andyou want democracy. You want these people running your government - pathetic!
#99 Posted by Urstruly on March 14, 2007 7:22:12 am
Duniya main Qateel iss saa munafiq nahin koi
Jo zulm to sehta hai baghawat nahin karta
#98 Posted by zeemax on March 14, 2007 1:09:28 am
Urstruly,
I was wrong. CJ was indeed manhandled. Here`s him being pushed down by the head by a thanedar like a common criminal to forcibly seat him in the official car .
I was wrong. CJ was indeed manhandled. Here`s him being pushed down by the head by a thanedar like a common criminal to forcibly seat him in the official car .
#97 Posted by zeemax on March 14, 2007 1:04:07 am
#93 by bulleya
I agree with you on all your points except ``...Why in the world did the new acting CJ take an oath....... ``. The acting CJ has clarified that point personally by saying he didn`t know what would have happened if he HADN`T taken the oath. What he means is that there would be emergency or direct military rule in the face of a constitutional crisis.
#94 by bulleya
Yes it it was a most shameful episode of Wasi Zafar. This guy is so uncouth and foul-mouthed that it is unbelievable. He has become a major embarassment for the government. I think his head may be the first to roll because the media is now really out for his scalp. As it is, the government has run out of people to defend its position except durrani and that shyster Saif something (who also has been suspended by Peshawar Bar) who are still plugging on with white lies. Tariq Azeem is nowhere to be found either.
To end this post, here`s a nice photo :)
I agree with you on all your points except ``...Why in the world did the new acting CJ take an oath....... ``. The acting CJ has clarified that point personally by saying he didn`t know what would have happened if he HADN`T taken the oath. What he means is that there would be emergency or direct military rule in the face of a constitutional crisis.
#94 by bulleya
Yes it it was a most shameful episode of Wasi Zafar. This guy is so uncouth and foul-mouthed that it is unbelievable. He has become a major embarassment for the government. I think his head may be the first to roll because the media is now really out for his scalp. As it is, the government has run out of people to defend its position except durrani and that shyster Saif something (who also has been suspended by Peshawar Bar) who are still plugging on with white lies. Tariq Azeem is nowhere to be found either.
To end this post, here`s a nice photo :)
#96 Posted by CheGuevara on March 13, 2007 10:21:18 pm
Re: # 65
Seemi you paindoo dhaga rundee we raped your PPI and now we run Karachi and Hyderabad, kuch patt sakta hai to patt ley.
Seemi you paindoo dhaga rundee we raped your PPI and now we run Karachi and Hyderabad, kuch patt sakta hai to patt ley.
#95 Posted by nasah on March 13, 2007 8:40:13 pm
``PPP, at the moment, the most powerful party in the country.........I have a feeling, instead of rising up, it will try to use this opportunity to put pressure on musharraf to make a deal and let the cases against bb and zardari dissolve......``(Bulleye)
man -- you should be in politics......the silence of Bibi Benazir and Baba Nawaz is indeed ear splitting!
man -- you should be in politics......the silence of Bibi Benazir and Baba Nawaz is indeed ear splitting!
#94 Posted by bulleya on March 13, 2007 8:09:20 pm
the following is must hear for everyone.....i have heard some doozies in my life, but this one is amazing......truly amazing..... www.pakistaniat.com
.....it is an interview, on voice of america, between aitezaz ahsan (perhaps the best lawyer in pakistan and a ppp mna), ansar abbasi (a news investigative reporter) and wasi zafar (the current law minister of pakistan), regarding the chief justice......the interview is being conducted by a female pakistani voa person....
......the interview goes along fine till about the 34 minute point.....the law minster makes somewhat of a fool of himself till that point....then it gets slightly heated.....all of a sudden, the law minister makes the following comments (these have to be heard to be believed)....they are delivered in a perfect punjabi accent........
......``agar aap kahein gae big arm in the law minister, then law minister will say big arm in the family of the man joh yeh kehta hae.......jo law minsiter main big arm daalae ga, law minister uss ki family mein big arm daaley gaa......``
.....this is apparently the english version of the punjabi proverb: jerah mainoon bhaan dae gaa.....mein udhae khandaan noon bhaan dainwah gaa....bhaan daena`s literal translation is shoving one`s arm up someone.....
.......then the reporter tells the law minister that the president`s website states, ``the chief justice was called by the president...``........the law minster states, get your dictionary out and you will see that ``called by`` means visiting, i.e. called on............everyone tries to convince him it means cj was called by the president.........
......the lady reporter handles it quite professionally.........but this is truly amazing...a law minister talking like this.........www.pakistaniat.com
.....it is an interview, on voice of america, between aitezaz ahsan (perhaps the best lawyer in pakistan and a ppp mna), ansar abbasi (a news investigative reporter) and wasi zafar (the current law minister of pakistan), regarding the chief justice......the interview is being conducted by a female pakistani voa person....
......the interview goes along fine till about the 34 minute point.....the law minster makes somewhat of a fool of himself till that point....then it gets slightly heated.....all of a sudden, the law minister makes the following comments (these have to be heard to be believed)....they are delivered in a perfect punjabi accent........
......``agar aap kahein gae big arm in the law minister, then law minister will say big arm in the family of the man joh yeh kehta hae.......jo law minsiter main big arm daalae ga, law minister uss ki family mein big arm daaley gaa......``
.....this is apparently the english version of the punjabi proverb: jerah mainoon bhaan dae gaa.....mein udhae khandaan noon bhaan dainwah gaa....bhaan daena`s literal translation is shoving one`s arm up someone.....
.......then the reporter tells the law minister that the president`s website states, ``the chief justice was called by the president...``........the law minster states, get your dictionary out and you will see that ``called by`` means visiting, i.e. called on............everyone tries to convince him it means cj was called by the president.........
......the lady reporter handles it quite professionally.........but this is truly amazing...a law minister talking like this.........www.pakistaniat.com
#93 Posted by bulleya on March 13, 2007 3:15:20 pm
zeemax #: ``...and the Pakistani nation is neither defeated or subjugated. It is alive and throbbing as you can see in front of your eyes........Please have confidence in your nation.``
....When i comment on issues, i try not to do so from a personal or patriotic point of view....I feel patriotism leads to subjectivity....So when i comment on pakistan, i don`t comment on it as if it were my nation or an enemy nation, etc......I try to look at the facts in front of me........
.......We are a defeated nation........As are most third world countries.......History shows it.......We have been bullied internally and externally........If it makes anyone feel better, i think all south asian countries and nations are generally and historically defeated.........Some moreso than pakistan.......
.......As for what is happening in front of my eyes, i can just say the following........I have always stated there are two groups in pakistan which do tend to take a stand......one is the lawyers and the second is the media........and this is exactly what is happening.......only these two groups have remained united and spoken up.......which actually proves my point.....
......Now what will everyone else do?.........lets see:
........Politicians:.......MQM can shut down karachi in one hour.........what is it doing......Nothing.......PML owns punjab.........what is it doing.......It is the govt`s party........PPP, at the moment, the most powerful party in the country.........I have a feeling, instead of rising up, it will try to use this opportunity to put pressure on musharraf to make a deal and let the cases against bb and zardari dissolve......So nothing here either.......
.......Judiciary:.......The judges are hearing a case against their own CJ!!........Imagine......Why in the world did the new acting CJ take an oath.......What in the world is Rana Bhagwan Das doing in India......Why doesn`t he take a plane and come back?......Why is every judge and his grandmother volunteering to hear a case against their own CJ?........
.......Military:.........No one in the military is standing up to this.....No one is resigning.......Its not that hard........I resigned, so I know what I am talking about.......
........Thus the executive, legislature and judiciary are all looking after personal benefits, rather than after principles.........as are the major political parties.......That pretty much covers the whole spectrum of society.......that to me equates to defeatism.........Or let me rephrase: it equates to defeatism across everyone, other than lawyers and journalists......
........Now if the judiciary rules in favor of the CJ, my opinion would slowly start to change......
....When i comment on issues, i try not to do so from a personal or patriotic point of view....I feel patriotism leads to subjectivity....So when i comment on pakistan, i don`t comment on it as if it were my nation or an enemy nation, etc......I try to look at the facts in front of me........
.......We are a defeated nation........As are most third world countries.......History shows it.......We have been bullied internally and externally........If it makes anyone feel better, i think all south asian countries and nations are generally and historically defeated.........Some moreso than pakistan.......
.......As for what is happening in front of my eyes, i can just say the following........I have always stated there are two groups in pakistan which do tend to take a stand......one is the lawyers and the second is the media........and this is exactly what is happening.......only these two groups have remained united and spoken up.......which actually proves my point.....
......Now what will everyone else do?.........lets see:
........Politicians:.......MQM can shut down karachi in one hour.........what is it doing......Nothing.......PML owns punjab.........what is it doing.......It is the govt`s party........PPP, at the moment, the most powerful party in the country.........I have a feeling, instead of rising up, it will try to use this opportunity to put pressure on musharraf to make a deal and let the cases against bb and zardari dissolve......So nothing here either.......
.......Judiciary:.......The judges are hearing a case against their own CJ!!........Imagine......Why in the world did the new acting CJ take an oath.......What in the world is Rana Bhagwan Das doing in India......Why doesn`t he take a plane and come back?......Why is every judge and his grandmother volunteering to hear a case against their own CJ?........
.......Military:.........No one in the military is standing up to this.....No one is resigning.......Its not that hard........I resigned, so I know what I am talking about.......
........Thus the executive, legislature and judiciary are all looking after personal benefits, rather than after principles.........as are the major political parties.......That pretty much covers the whole spectrum of society.......that to me equates to defeatism.........Or let me rephrase: it equates to defeatism across everyone, other than lawyers and journalists......
........Now if the judiciary rules in favor of the CJ, my opinion would slowly start to change......
#92 Posted by nasah on March 13, 2007 3:12:13 pm
The way the Pakistsan Bar has reacted unanimously to this bizzarre firing is simply heartwarming for old folks like us -- augurs well for the Rule of Law in Pakistan -- despite that lawless despot in Khaki.
If the lawyers succeed in overthrowing Musharraf -- that will be an entirely unique history making REVOLUTION by the custodians of country`s Laws -- a miracle that never happened in any other country.
If the lawyers succeed in overthrowing Musharraf -- that will be an entirely unique history making REVOLUTION by the custodians of country`s Laws -- a miracle that never happened in any other country.
#91 Posted by shankar on March 13, 2007 3:01:57 pm
Mantolives,
Is that you being photgraphed & quoted on the bbcnews s.asia homepage?!
Way to go!:)
Is that you being photgraphed & quoted on the bbcnews s.asia homepage?!
Way to go!:)
#90 Posted by Urstruly on March 13, 2007 2:04:17 pm
One thing that is really commendable is that Lawyers have rovoked the membership of Raja Basharat, Minister of Law, Punjab from the Lahore High Court Bar Association. A show Cause notice has also been issued by supreme court bar association to Wasi Zafar, the federal mninister of law, khotay da putar. Hopefully the bar associations will also revoke the meberships of lotas like sher afgan niazi and especially that of notorious Badmashudin haramzad.
More Power to bar associations.
SALUTE!!!!
#89 Posted by Urstruly on March 13, 2007 1:48:26 pm
The picture below brought back some fond memories when Aatish jawaN tha.
chuhtay, pughtay, lamdheeng ke pughtay thaa
keh chamchay thaa
keh lotay thaa
keh fauji kanjar thaa...
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