Pakistan Shinning I - Propoganda or Reality

#79 by bulleya,

I have this complaint with you. You do not examine things in detail, even though you have the best intentions.

You say:

...civilian govts. in Pakistan, have always had the lowest ecnomic growth....

Which civilian governments? I guess the ZAB government was the first real civilian government, but what did it inherit? A country split in half alongwith half of assets, reserves, revenues, and exports of West Pakistan to East Pakistan. Half of the PIA fleet stranded in E. Pak and streaming civil employees to provide jobs in W. Pak. 90,000 POWs in India, 1200 km of territory under Indian occupation. Is that correct? It took upto 1973 to get these sorted out and then the oil shock. That wasted another year as well as drained whatever resources were left and the Rupee devalued 27% in one go. The nuclear program had its own heavy demands as well. Now we`re in 1975 and less than two years left before he was deposed battling reactionaries all the while. What did you expect from him?

Benazir/Nawaz Sharif`s each of the two terms were during the heavily sanctioned 90s when Pak could not even export to USA or most of EU, let alone economic aid or even hard loans. The remnants of the Afghan war had its own dynamics and in any event what can you do in a 2-2 1/2 year tenure each? Still NS managed to do a lot and in fact the master-plan he made is still being followed. Then the very timely nuke test. Has anyone thought how Pakistan tested six nukes within 15 days of India`s? The preperations had cost a lot of economic progress.

Therefore, I humbly submit that your contentions are largely unfair when you talk about civilian governments. None of them were bad, but none of them were allowed to work.

#83 by Urstruly


Urstruly, his tie was certainly askew and his shirt sort of crumpled, but I don`t think anyone manhandled him. It was the crush of the crowd in which he insisted on walking instead of taking the official transport.

...contd ..

...and the Pakistani nation is neither defeated or subjugated. It is alive and throbbing as you can see in front of your eyes.

Please have confidence in your nation.

Kinda Sexy Justice Chaudhary Video !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQDP8U6GF2g

Justice Chaudhary doing morning calisthenics! Shocking !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNr0DF-AgX4

The picture below brought back some fond memories when Aatish jawaN tha.


chuhtay, pughtay, lamdheeng ke pughtay thaa
keh chamchay thaa
keh lotay thaa
keh fauji kanjar thaa...

One thing that is really commendable is that Lawyers have rovoked the membership of Raja Basharat, Minister of Law, Punjab from the Lahore High Court Bar Association. A show Cause notice has also been issued by supreme court bar association to Wasi Zafar, the federal mninister of law, khotay da putar. Hopefully the bar associations will also revoke the meberships of lotas like sher afgan niazi and especially that of notorious Badmashudin haramzad.

More Power to bar associations.

SALUTE!!!!

Mantolives,

Is that you being photgraphed & quoted on the bbcnews s.asia homepage?!
Way to go!:)

The way the Pakistsan Bar has reacted unanimously to this bizzarre firing is simply heartwarming for old folks like us -- augurs well for the Rule of Law in Pakistan -- despite that lawless despot in Khaki.

If the lawyers succeed in overthrowing Musharraf -- that will be an entirely unique history making REVOLUTION by the custodians of country`s Laws -- a miracle that never happened in any other country.

zeemax #: ``...and the Pakistani nation is neither defeated or subjugated. It is alive and throbbing as you can see in front of your eyes........Please have confidence in your nation.``

....When i comment on issues, i try not to do so from a personal or patriotic point of view....I feel patriotism leads to subjectivity....So when i comment on pakistan, i don`t comment on it as if it were my nation or an enemy nation, etc......I try to look at the facts in front of me........

.......We are a defeated nation........As are most third world countries.......History shows it.......We have been bullied internally and externally........If it makes anyone feel better, i think all south asian countries and nations are generally and historically defeated.........Some moreso than pakistan.......

.......As for what is happening in front of my eyes, i can just say the following........I have always stated there are two groups in pakistan which do tend to take a stand......one is the lawyers and the second is the media........and this is exactly what is happening.......only these two groups have remained united and spoken up.......which actually proves my point.....

......Now what will everyone else do?.........lets see:

........Politicians:.......MQM can shut down karachi in one hour.........what is it doing......Nothing.......PML owns punjab.........what is it doing.......It is the govt`s party........PPP, at the moment, the most powerful party in the country.........I have a feeling, instead of rising up, it will try to use this opportunity to put pressure on musharraf to make a deal and let the cases against bb and zardari dissolve......So nothing here either.......

.......Judiciary:.......The judges are hearing a case against their own CJ!!........Imagine......Why in the world did the new acting CJ take an oath.......What in the world is Rana Bhagwan Das doing in India......Why doesn`t he take a plane and come back?......Why is every judge and his grandmother volunteering to hear a case against their own CJ?........

.......Military:.........No one in the military is standing up to this.....No one is resigning.......Its not that hard........I resigned, so I know what I am talking about.......

........Thus the executive, legislature and judiciary are all looking after personal benefits, rather than after principles.........as are the major political parties.......That pretty much covers the whole spectrum of society.......that to me equates to defeatism.........Or let me rephrase: it equates to defeatism across everyone, other than lawyers and journalists......

........Now if the judiciary rules in favor of the CJ, my opinion would slowly start to change......

the following is must hear for everyone.....i have heard some doozies in my life, but this one is amazing......truly amazing..... www.pakistaniat.com

.....it is an interview, on voice of america, between aitezaz ahsan (perhaps the best lawyer in pakistan and a ppp mna), ansar abbasi (a news investigative reporter) and wasi zafar (the current law minister of pakistan), regarding the chief justice......the interview is being conducted by a female pakistani voa person....

......the interview goes along fine till about the 34 minute point.....the law minster makes somewhat of a fool of himself till that point....then it gets slightly heated.....all of a sudden, the law minister makes the following comments (these have to be heard to be believed)....they are delivered in a perfect punjabi accent........

......``agar aap kahein gae big arm in the law minister, then law minister will say big arm in the family of the man joh yeh kehta hae.......jo law minsiter main big arm daalae ga, law minister uss ki family mein big arm daaley gaa......``

.....this is apparently the english version of the punjabi proverb: jerah mainoon bhaan dae gaa.....mein udhae khandaan noon bhaan dainwah gaa....bhaan daena`s literal translation is shoving one`s arm up someone.....

.......then the reporter tells the law minister that the president`s website states, ``the chief justice was called by the president...``........the law minster states, get your dictionary out and you will see that ``called by`` means visiting, i.e. called on............everyone tries to convince him it means cj was called by the president.........

......the lady reporter handles it quite professionally.........but this is truly amazing...a law minister talking like this.........www.pakistaniat.com

``PPP, at the moment, the most powerful party in the country.........I have a feeling, instead of rising up, it will try to use this opportunity to put pressure on musharraf to make a deal and let the cases against bb and zardari dissolve......``(Bulleye)

man -- you should be in politics......the silence of Bibi Benazir and Baba Nawaz is indeed ear splitting!

Re: # 65
Seemi you paindoo dhaga rundee we raped your PPI and now we run Karachi and Hyderabad, kuch patt sakta hai to patt ley.