Sadia Rizwan March 15, 2007
#66 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 19, 2007 9:19:42 am
Dear Pakis,
Nobody in his/her right mind would advocate dictatorship - especially a military one. Everyone wants democracy, but there is no quick fix, no cheap freedom, and no instant cure for insanity. Pakistan has NEVER experienced a sustained even limited democracy. Jinnah was basically a universally-accepted autocrat, a one-man show, who needed no ratification of his whimsical ideas. Muslims have an uncanny habit of elevating even the most mediocre of their leaders to positions approaching divinity.
Democracy means much more than mob rule. Majority rule does not mean that a vote can decide the life or death of any hated minorities, confiscation of their wealth, or designation of their community as non-Muslim, naPaak, or discrimination against them in employment, business, or education. There must be concrete, sacred, and inalienable rights assured to ALL citizens - such as in the Bill of Rights. There must be protection for smaller states/provinces, otherwise Delaware would have never joined the United States.
Pakistan has had only two orderly, legal, and fair transitions of power. The first was in the `50s when the Bengali-dominated Awami League and Suharwardy beat the incumbent Muslim League. The second was when an Urdu-speaking Mohajir COS, Mirza Aslam Beg, transferred power to a victorious Benazir Bhutto in 1989. Forget the fact that Gen Aslam Beg was a chutiya when it came to knowledge of military matters - he was the fool who considered helping the Bosnians achieve military success as a futile effort and bound for failure. But he did supervise fair elections and did not grab power for himself - unlike Ayub, Yahya, Zia, and Mushy.
The question to ask is what replaces Mushy in the future? Another two rounds of twiddle dee and twiddle dum will not do. The military must be there ONLY for the defense of the country against FOREIGN enemas - something it has NEVER succeeded in doing effectively. The military should not become a tool of a single province or ethnicity to lord over the rest of the country. The provinces should enjoy full local power - including taxation, police, education, and local legislation. The days of the One Unit and Basic Democracy crap are over. Will Pakis rise to the challenge or are we to expect more of the same? Throwing bricks, burning tires, and smashing windows are not the solution.
Nobody in his/her right mind would advocate dictatorship - especially a military one. Everyone wants democracy, but there is no quick fix, no cheap freedom, and no instant cure for insanity. Pakistan has NEVER experienced a sustained even limited democracy. Jinnah was basically a universally-accepted autocrat, a one-man show, who needed no ratification of his whimsical ideas. Muslims have an uncanny habit of elevating even the most mediocre of their leaders to positions approaching divinity.
Democracy means much more than mob rule. Majority rule does not mean that a vote can decide the life or death of any hated minorities, confiscation of their wealth, or designation of their community as non-Muslim, naPaak, or discrimination against them in employment, business, or education. There must be concrete, sacred, and inalienable rights assured to ALL citizens - such as in the Bill of Rights. There must be protection for smaller states/provinces, otherwise Delaware would have never joined the United States.
Pakistan has had only two orderly, legal, and fair transitions of power. The first was in the `50s when the Bengali-dominated Awami League and Suharwardy beat the incumbent Muslim League. The second was when an Urdu-speaking Mohajir COS, Mirza Aslam Beg, transferred power to a victorious Benazir Bhutto in 1989. Forget the fact that Gen Aslam Beg was a chutiya when it came to knowledge of military matters - he was the fool who considered helping the Bosnians achieve military success as a futile effort and bound for failure. But he did supervise fair elections and did not grab power for himself - unlike Ayub, Yahya, Zia, and Mushy.
The question to ask is what replaces Mushy in the future? Another two rounds of twiddle dee and twiddle dum will not do. The military must be there ONLY for the defense of the country against FOREIGN enemas - something it has NEVER succeeded in doing effectively. The military should not become a tool of a single province or ethnicity to lord over the rest of the country. The provinces should enjoy full local power - including taxation, police, education, and local legislation. The days of the One Unit and Basic Democracy crap are over. Will Pakis rise to the challenge or are we to expect more of the same? Throwing bricks, burning tires, and smashing windows are not the solution.
#65 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 19, 2007 8:17:37 am
Even the rats are abandoning the sinking ship
Altaf threatens to review ties with government
By Azfar-ul-Ashfaque
KARACHI, March 18: Muttahida Qaumi Movement leader Altaf Hussain warned on Sunday that his party will review its relationship with the government if the use of ‘state violence’ was not stopped immediately.
“We did not support the government’s action of imposing restriction on the press or its acts of violence against peaceful lawyers. MQM is closely monitoring the current situation and demands that the president and the prime minister should stop the use of state power, otherwise the MQM will be absolutely free to exercise all its options in the near future,” Mr Hussain said. He did not elaborate.
He was addressing his party’s activists and supporters gathered here to celebrate the 23rd Foundation Day of the MQM.
He said that the MQM had always raised its voice against injustice and it would continue to do so without any fear of ‘consequences’.
He spoke at length about the current internal political situation, the threats being faced by the country, situation in tribal areas and in Balochistan and the current judicial crisis.
With regard to the presidential reference against Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, he clarified that neither the MQM had been taken into confidence nor was it consulted on the matter.
Criticising the government for not consulting the MQM before or after filing of the reference, he said that it was high time to decide whether it wanted to continue working with the MQM, which always supported the government even in difficult times, or it wanted pseudo-friends.
However, he maintained that it was a constitutional and legal matter and all Pakistanis should leave the matter to the Supreme Judicial Council to reach a decision in accordance with the Constitution and law. “This matter should not be used for scoring political points,” he added.
He appealed opposition leaders to lodge their protest in a peaceful manner keeping in view the critical situation the country was facing.
He said MQM believed in freedom of expression and it was concerned over various government restrictions on the media. He condemned the police action on the Islamabad office of Geo News and recent incidents of police violence against protesting lawyers. The MQM leader observed that the government had mishandled the situation in Balochistan and tribal areas and the recent protests of lawyers.
He said that President Gen Pervez Musharraf himself had admitted that some conspiracy was being hatched against him. He urged the president to unmask the conspirators and to take action against them in accordance with the Constitution and the law.
He said that Pakistan’s relations with its neighbouring countries, Iran, Afghanistan and India, were not normal.
He said that the MQM always urged the government to resolve the issue of Balochistan and tribal areas through dialogue, but unfortunately the rulers did not pay heed. He said that the situation in Balochistan was not satisfactory.
He called upon the president, the prime minister and the policy-makers to give complete provincial autonomy and stop interference by the federation into the affairs of the provinces for the sake of solidarity and integrity of Pakistan.
“People of former East Pakistan wanted their rights and they gave them the country. I request the authorities not to adopt similar practices, lest instead of giving provincial autonomy you give them countries,” he said.
He prayed to the Almighty to grant wisdom to the rulers to take decision in national interests.
He asked the government to immediately release all lawyers, political leaders and workers.
Mr Hussain congratulated MQM workers and supporters on the 23rd Foundation Day.
A large number of MQM workers and supporters attended the gathering. The address of Mr Hussain was relayed simultaneously in 20 cities of Pakistan, where the party’s foundation day was celebrated.
Courtesy, Dawn - March 19, 2007 Monday Safar 29, 1428
Altaf threatens to review ties with government
By Azfar-ul-Ashfaque
KARACHI, March 18: Muttahida Qaumi Movement leader Altaf Hussain warned on Sunday that his party will review its relationship with the government if the use of ‘state violence’ was not stopped immediately.
“We did not support the government’s action of imposing restriction on the press or its acts of violence against peaceful lawyers. MQM is closely monitoring the current situation and demands that the president and the prime minister should stop the use of state power, otherwise the MQM will be absolutely free to exercise all its options in the near future,” Mr Hussain said. He did not elaborate.
He was addressing his party’s activists and supporters gathered here to celebrate the 23rd Foundation Day of the MQM.
He said that the MQM had always raised its voice against injustice and it would continue to do so without any fear of ‘consequences’.
He spoke at length about the current internal political situation, the threats being faced by the country, situation in tribal areas and in Balochistan and the current judicial crisis.
With regard to the presidential reference against Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, he clarified that neither the MQM had been taken into confidence nor was it consulted on the matter.
Criticising the government for not consulting the MQM before or after filing of the reference, he said that it was high time to decide whether it wanted to continue working with the MQM, which always supported the government even in difficult times, or it wanted pseudo-friends.
However, he maintained that it was a constitutional and legal matter and all Pakistanis should leave the matter to the Supreme Judicial Council to reach a decision in accordance with the Constitution and law. “This matter should not be used for scoring political points,” he added.
He appealed opposition leaders to lodge their protest in a peaceful manner keeping in view the critical situation the country was facing.
He said MQM believed in freedom of expression and it was concerned over various government restrictions on the media. He condemned the police action on the Islamabad office of Geo News and recent incidents of police violence against protesting lawyers. The MQM leader observed that the government had mishandled the situation in Balochistan and tribal areas and the recent protests of lawyers.
He said that President Gen Pervez Musharraf himself had admitted that some conspiracy was being hatched against him. He urged the president to unmask the conspirators and to take action against them in accordance with the Constitution and the law.
He said that Pakistan’s relations with its neighbouring countries, Iran, Afghanistan and India, were not normal.
He said that the MQM always urged the government to resolve the issue of Balochistan and tribal areas through dialogue, but unfortunately the rulers did not pay heed. He said that the situation in Balochistan was not satisfactory.
He called upon the president, the prime minister and the policy-makers to give complete provincial autonomy and stop interference by the federation into the affairs of the provinces for the sake of solidarity and integrity of Pakistan.
“People of former East Pakistan wanted their rights and they gave them the country. I request the authorities not to adopt similar practices, lest instead of giving provincial autonomy you give them countries,” he said.
He prayed to the Almighty to grant wisdom to the rulers to take decision in national interests.
He asked the government to immediately release all lawyers, political leaders and workers.
Mr Hussain congratulated MQM workers and supporters on the 23rd Foundation Day.
A large number of MQM workers and supporters attended the gathering. The address of Mr Hussain was relayed simultaneously in 20 cities of Pakistan, where the party’s foundation day was celebrated.
Courtesy, Dawn - March 19, 2007 Monday Safar 29, 1428
#64 Posted by aquaris on March 18, 2007 3:23:23 pm
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?no=350562&rel_no=1
this site has published a shocking picture, of the state of affairs in the god forsaken country of pakistan.
Also ....
It is thought that two very important cases were to be seen in the supreme court in the coming months
The case inquiring the dual nationality of the Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz and his eligibility to be Prime Minister.
The case to whether or not the President Pervez Musharraf could run the election for the next Presidency term
Some usually outspoken ministers clearly detached themselves from the ongoing judicial crisis and became neutral; that`s not common in pakistans political history.
Dr. Sher Afghan, surgeon turned constitutional expert and minister for parliamentary affairs daringly choose to clarify his position that he is not a party and he has respect for the judiciary.
Naeem Bokhari mentioned in his controversial open letter that Justice Chaudhry changed the verbally announced decision in a case of Dr. Sher Afghan.
Ruling party president Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain preferred to go abroad instead of staying here to face the music at the climax of the judicial crisis. After landing at JFK airport New York he told reporters that the present judicial crisis is a power tussle between the judiciary and the army. ``I have no role in this big game so I came here to take rest and medication.``
Later on his statement was contradicted but the facts are facts that are never changed.
Unexpectedly, the sacked minister of information, now railway minister, Sheikh Rashid also criticized the insulting behavior of officials towards the chief justice of Pakistan.
``I am a political worker, I know how badly affected the people of my constituency are by this sad incident, the manhandling of Justice Chaudhry by police and undercover secret agents, shame on us,`` he said while he was hurriedly addressing a press conference Wednesday evening.
Rashid claimed that the top judge tried to paralyze the government by summoning high profile officials to the court. He added that Chaudry`s activism for the common people proved fatal, but that all this could not justify what the government did to him and his family.
He said that detention of the entire family of chief justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry was unfair.
``I can`t understand the logic behind it. Why are school-going innocent children not allowed to attend classes? How could any sane person think to deprive even a common man from medicine or a doctor? Unfortunately all this has happened to the chief justice of Pakistan, the guarantor to provide justice to every Pakistani,`` he said.
``What a shameful scene. The whole world has seen the chief justice knocking on the closed door of his own court for justice, and he had to wait for 15 minutes in the din.``
Geo and ARY one world, the premier satellite channels, immediately telecast the sensitive portions of the speech, but then the shadows became active and the sensitive parts of his press conference were censored in the print media.
#63 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 10:07:32 am
Zeena #5 from UP {``PPP and Nawaz league are together now against Mushy...Any idea why? ``
Zeena,
Very good question. These former ``democratically-elected`` ex-PMs now see a good chance to continue with their taking turns while looting Pakistan with both hands and both feet. They loot with their hands and then run with their feet to London, Switzerland, Abba Dabba Doobuy, and Soodi Rabia.
When Nawaz Besharif left in 1999, Pakistan`s economy was a mess. Foreign exchange was dried up. Capital investment was disappearing. Corruption was rampant. The Paki rupee was in free fall. Mushy came in - kicked out the thugs, reduced corruption, stabilized the Paki Rupee, encouraged investment and capital expenditure. and revived the economy.
Now these thieves see another opportunity to get rich at the expense of the poor hard-working Pakis - Punjabi and Sindhi subsitence farmers, exploited Baluchis, opium-growing Pathans, and enterprising Mohajirs.
They have their ``liberal`` PPP goondas and hooligans, like PPP lawyers, coming out in the streets to conduct mayhem, violence, and arson. Soon, the bearded brigade will join them to force Mushy into retirement and Pakistan into a civil war. May Allah strike these traitors dead in their aim to destroy what`s left of Pakistan.
Zeena,
Very good question. These former ``democratically-elected`` ex-PMs now see a good chance to continue with their taking turns while looting Pakistan with both hands and both feet. They loot with their hands and then run with their feet to London, Switzerland, Abba Dabba Doobuy, and Soodi Rabia.
When Nawaz Besharif left in 1999, Pakistan`s economy was a mess. Foreign exchange was dried up. Capital investment was disappearing. Corruption was rampant. The Paki rupee was in free fall. Mushy came in - kicked out the thugs, reduced corruption, stabilized the Paki Rupee, encouraged investment and capital expenditure. and revived the economy.
Now these thieves see another opportunity to get rich at the expense of the poor hard-working Pakis - Punjabi and Sindhi subsitence farmers, exploited Baluchis, opium-growing Pathans, and enterprising Mohajirs.
They have their ``liberal`` PPP goondas and hooligans, like PPP lawyers, coming out in the streets to conduct mayhem, violence, and arson. Soon, the bearded brigade will join them to force Mushy into retirement and Pakistan into a civil war. May Allah strike these traitors dead in their aim to destroy what`s left of Pakistan.
#62 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 18, 2007 9:41:20 am
Sun Tani and Jeemax,
I have been following your wet dreams about a united Poonzab and honestly, I find myself in total agreement with you. The forced departure of the noble Sikhs from West Punjab created a vacuum that has resulted in this unfortunate half century of hooliganism, PPP misbehavior, corruption, and deadly violence. The brave Sikhs had a history of administration and culture and provided a rule of law and order under the glorious Sikha Shahi based in Lahore.
Having said that, I noticed several problems and being land-locked would be the least of your miseries. I have been following the interesting results of the world cup cricket matches in Maghribi (Pachim) Hindustan. :) Here are some observations:
Physique was not a factor in the outcome of the two significant matches - The team with the better physique won in the Ireland/Pakistan match, but the team with the better physique was defeated in the Bangladesh/India contest.
Height was not a factor - the taller Irish beat the shorter Pakis, but the shorter Bengalis beat the taller Injuns.
Skin color was also not a factor - the white-skinned Irish beat the dark Pakis, but the dark-skinned Bengalis whipped the lighter-skinned Injuns.
Islam was definitely not a factor - the Catholic Irish beat the crap out of the Muslim Pakis (including a recycled apostate), but the entirely Muslim Bengalis humiliated the mostly Hindu Injuns (there was only one Muslim on the losing Injun side).
The number of Punjoo players on each team was a definite factor - The victorious Irish included no Punjus, the losing Pakis were mostly PPP (Paki Punju Paindoos). The successful Bengalis included no Punjus, but the defeated Injuns had a few Punjus. The side with the most Punjus performed the poorest of all four.
These are the facts - now do you really want a united Punjab and field a team consisting of ALL Punjus? :)
I have been following your wet dreams about a united Poonzab and honestly, I find myself in total agreement with you. The forced departure of the noble Sikhs from West Punjab created a vacuum that has resulted in this unfortunate half century of hooliganism, PPP misbehavior, corruption, and deadly violence. The brave Sikhs had a history of administration and culture and provided a rule of law and order under the glorious Sikha Shahi based in Lahore.
Having said that, I noticed several problems and being land-locked would be the least of your miseries. I have been following the interesting results of the world cup cricket matches in Maghribi (Pachim) Hindustan. :) Here are some observations:
Physique was not a factor in the outcome of the two significant matches - The team with the better physique won in the Ireland/Pakistan match, but the team with the better physique was defeated in the Bangladesh/India contest.
Height was not a factor - the taller Irish beat the shorter Pakis, but the shorter Bengalis beat the taller Injuns.
Skin color was also not a factor - the white-skinned Irish beat the dark Pakis, but the dark-skinned Bengalis whipped the lighter-skinned Injuns.
Islam was definitely not a factor - the Catholic Irish beat the crap out of the Muslim Pakis (including a recycled apostate), but the entirely Muslim Bengalis humiliated the mostly Hindu Injuns (there was only one Muslim on the losing Injun side).
The number of Punjoo players on each team was a definite factor - The victorious Irish included no Punjus, the losing Pakis were mostly PPP (Paki Punju Paindoos). The successful Bengalis included no Punjus, but the defeated Injuns had a few Punjus. The side with the most Punjus performed the poorest of all four.
These are the facts - now do you really want a united Punjab and field a team consisting of ALL Punjus? :)
#61 Posted by ahmedmadani on March 18, 2007 7:35:17 am
Re: # 15
Romair Sir you have elaborated all crimes of cj which angered some people.
Establishment will like to punish CJ as PUNITIVE measures.
I appreciate your elaboration.
Romair Sir you have elaborated all crimes of cj which angered some people.
Establishment will like to punish CJ as PUNITIVE measures.
I appreciate your elaboration.
#60 Posted by km007 on March 17, 2007 3:05:06 pm
``I do not think that Pakistani muslims are agitating to restore CJ or anyone, or for establishing democracy or for ending corruption.....these all are not the basis of political support in Pakistan, after all Pakistanis distributed sweets when Musharaff staged the coup and opposed kargil withdrawl........Pakistanis loved every bit of Musharaff`s growl and threat at India and his commondo style behaviour ..............It appears that Pakistanis are angry with Musharaff because of his u turn after 9/11................``
Pakistani want the supremacy of law in their country, not the supremacy of army. It is as simple as that, nothing to do with 9/11. Musharraf has never obeyed the law, infact laws are crafted for him e.g. ammendment to allow him to hold two offices.
Pakistani want the supremacy of law in their country, not the supremacy of army. It is as simple as that, nothing to do with 9/11. Musharraf has never obeyed the law, infact laws are crafted for him e.g. ammendment to allow him to hold two offices.
#59 Posted by km007 on March 17, 2007 2:30:34 pm
Revolt is brewing in the ranks of Pak army, 6 corps commanders have expressed discontent with the Pervez Musharraf. It is also reported that Tariq Aziz orchestrated the attack on Geo news:
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/mar/17pakcj.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/mar/17pakcj.htm
#58 Posted by ballukhan on March 16, 2007 7:13:05 pm
I do not think that Pakistani muslims are agitating to restore CJ or anyone, or for establishing democracy or for ending corruption.....these all are not the basis of political support in Pakistan, after all Pakistanis distributed sweets when Musharaff staged the coup and opposed kargil withdrawl........Pakistanis loved every bit of Musharaff`s growl and threat at India and his commondo style behaviour ..............It appears that Pakistanis are angry with Musharaff because of his u turn after 9/11................
#57 Posted by TOLKININ on March 16, 2007 5:38:37 pm
WhEN BUDDHA BECAME HITLER IN INDIAN BENGAL
The Gestapo of modern day – the communist controlled cops of West Bengal butchered innocent farmers of Nandigarm. The killings were unprovoked. It was planned massacre the same way Chinese kill their own farmers. The style was that of fascist. Guess who led all that – the contemporary Buddha of India!
What happened in Nadigram requires United Nations intervention. Government of India and Indian Army will not stop the Gestapo of West Bengal. The cops in West Bengal on the order from Communists to protect oligarchs of India did the same all across the state. They killed and injured countless innocent farmers who want their land back that was snatched illegally from them. Tata wants to build $2250 car in Singur for the Asian markets! The communists want a Special Economic Zones (SEZs) in Nandigram for more tax revenues from export to the West. Tata and communists joined hands to illegally steal lands from the poor farmers. Boeing Corporation of America was thrilled to have Tata fly the F18!
The massacre was typical the way the fascists controlled the crowd and opposition in Hitler’s Germany. Buddhadev Bhattacharya, the communist Chief Minister of West Bengal (known as Buddha of modern day!) is still indifferent about the cold-blooded murder of the farmers in West Bengal. Tata says he wants his cars fast from Singur so that he can buy another ‘Corus’ from Europe. The communists want money from SEZ in Nadigram - they care nothing for the farmers.
#56 Posted by TOLKININ on March 16, 2007 5:16:58 pm
So what there is C.J ii Pak or U.S. Attorney BOTH can be fired
White House backtracks in row over U.S. attorneys
POSTED: 12:07 p.m. EDT, March 12, 2007
Story Highlights• Bill would end attorney general`s power to appoint prosecutors minus Senate OK
• Fired U.S. attorneys allege pressure from Justice Department, lawmakers
• Alberto Gonzales agrees to let aides testify about dismissals without subpoenas
• Reversal abrupt for administration known for standing firm despite opposition
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Slapped even by GOP allies, the Bush administration is beating an abrupt retreat on eight federal prosecutors it fired and then publicly pilloried.
Just hours after Attorney General Alberto Gonzales dismissed the hubbub as an ``overblown personnel matter,`` a Republican senator Thursday mused that Gonzales might soon suffer the same fate as the canned U.S. attorneys.
A short time later, Gonzales and his security detail shuttled to the Capitol for a private meeting on Democratic turf, bearing two offerings:
President Bush would not stand in the way of a Democratic-sponsored bill that would cancel the attorney general`s power to appoint federal prosecutors without Senate confirmation. Gonzales` Justice Department previously had dismissed the legislation as unreasonable.
There would be no need for subpoenas to compel testimony by five of Gonzales` aides involved in the firings, as the Democrats had threatened. Cloistered in the stately hideaway of Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Pat Leahy, D-Vermont, the attorney general assured those present that he would permit the aides to tell their stories.
It was a striking reversal for an administration noted for standing its ground even in the face of overwhelming opposition.
Gone were the department`s biting assertions that the prosecutors were a bunch of ``disgruntled employees grandstanding before Congress.``
And the department no longer tried to shrug off the uproar as ``an overblown personnel matter,`` as Gonzales had written in an opinion piece published Thursday in USA Today.
Agency officials also ceased describing majority Democrats as lawmakers who would ``would rather play politics`` than deal with facts.
The shift from offense to silence was so abrupt that one of Bush`s chief advisers who was speaking out of town apparently missed the memo.
``My view is this is unfortunately a very big attempt by some in the Congress to make a political stink about it,`` presidential adviser Karl Rove said Thursday during a speech at the University of Arkansas Clinton School of Public Service.
Back in Washington, a consensus was emerging among senators of both parties, and Gonzales himself, that the firings had been botched chiefly because the prosecutors had not been told the reasons for their dismissals.
The matter snowballed -- some of those fired complained publicly, and a senior Justice Department official warned one that further complaints in the press would force the agency to defend itself, according to an e-mail made public this week.
On Tuesday, during an eight-hour marathon of congressional hearings, the Justice Department followed through. William Moschella, principal associate deputy attorney general, publicly enumerated the reasons each prosecutor was fired, one by one.
Flash forward two days, to Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, reading Gonzales` USA Today column into the record. He paused.
``One day there will be a new attorney general, maybe sooner rather than later,`` he mused. ``But these [prosecutors] who were plastered across the newspapers all across the country, they will never recover their reputations.``
Two staunch White House allies, Sens. Jon Kyl of Arizona and Jeff Sessions of Alabama, lamented the damage to the prosecutors` resumes -- adding, however, that the uproar had been the result of poor execution rather than a political purge.
The prosecutors weren`t the only ones whose reputations suffered. One, New Mexico`s David Iglesias, said the dismissals followed calls from members of Congress -- Sen. Pete Domenici and Rep. Heather Wilson, New Mexico Republicans -- concerning sensitive political corruption investigations.
Still unclear is whether Gonzales will allow his aides to speak with the Senate panel in private or at a public hearing. The House Judiciary Committee on Thursday also demanded to speak with the officials.
They are: Michael Elston, Kyle Sampson, Monica Goodling, Bill Mercer and Mike Battle.
Sampson is Gonzales` chief of staff, Elston is staff chief to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty and Mercer is associate attorney general. Goodling is Gonzales` senior counsel and White House liaison, and Battle is the departing director of the office that oversees the 93 U.S. attorneys.
White House backtracks in row over U.S. attorneys
POSTED: 12:07 p.m. EDT, March 12, 2007
Story Highlights• Bill would end attorney general`s power to appoint prosecutors minus Senate OK
• Fired U.S. attorneys allege pressure from Justice Department, lawmakers
• Alberto Gonzales agrees to let aides testify about dismissals without subpoenas
• Reversal abrupt for administration known for standing firm despite opposition
Adjust font size:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Slapped even by GOP allies, the Bush administration is beating an abrupt retreat on eight federal prosecutors it fired and then publicly pilloried.
Just hours after Attorney General Alberto Gonzales dismissed the hubbub as an ``overblown personnel matter,`` a Republican senator Thursday mused that Gonzales might soon suffer the same fate as the canned U.S. attorneys.
A short time later, Gonzales and his security detail shuttled to the Capitol for a private meeting on Democratic turf, bearing two offerings:
President Bush would not stand in the way of a Democratic-sponsored bill that would cancel the attorney general`s power to appoint federal prosecutors without Senate confirmation. Gonzales` Justice Department previously had dismissed the legislation as unreasonable.
There would be no need for subpoenas to compel testimony by five of Gonzales` aides involved in the firings, as the Democrats had threatened. Cloistered in the stately hideaway of Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Pat Leahy, D-Vermont, the attorney general assured those present that he would permit the aides to tell their stories.
It was a striking reversal for an administration noted for standing its ground even in the face of overwhelming opposition.
Gone were the department`s biting assertions that the prosecutors were a bunch of ``disgruntled employees grandstanding before Congress.``
And the department no longer tried to shrug off the uproar as ``an overblown personnel matter,`` as Gonzales had written in an opinion piece published Thursday in USA Today.
Agency officials also ceased describing majority Democrats as lawmakers who would ``would rather play politics`` than deal with facts.
The shift from offense to silence was so abrupt that one of Bush`s chief advisers who was speaking out of town apparently missed the memo.
``My view is this is unfortunately a very big attempt by some in the Congress to make a political stink about it,`` presidential adviser Karl Rove said Thursday during a speech at the University of Arkansas Clinton School of Public Service.
Back in Washington, a consensus was emerging among senators of both parties, and Gonzales himself, that the firings had been botched chiefly because the prosecutors had not been told the reasons for their dismissals.
The matter snowballed -- some of those fired complained publicly, and a senior Justice Department official warned one that further complaints in the press would force the agency to defend itself, according to an e-mail made public this week.
On Tuesday, during an eight-hour marathon of congressional hearings, the Justice Department followed through. William Moschella, principal associate deputy attorney general, publicly enumerated the reasons each prosecutor was fired, one by one.
Flash forward two days, to Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, reading Gonzales` USA Today column into the record. He paused.
``One day there will be a new attorney general, maybe sooner rather than later,`` he mused. ``But these [prosecutors] who were plastered across the newspapers all across the country, they will never recover their reputations.``
Two staunch White House allies, Sens. Jon Kyl of Arizona and Jeff Sessions of Alabama, lamented the damage to the prosecutors` resumes -- adding, however, that the uproar had been the result of poor execution rather than a political purge.
The prosecutors weren`t the only ones whose reputations suffered. One, New Mexico`s David Iglesias, said the dismissals followed calls from members of Congress -- Sen. Pete Domenici and Rep. Heather Wilson, New Mexico Republicans -- concerning sensitive political corruption investigations.
Still unclear is whether Gonzales will allow his aides to speak with the Senate panel in private or at a public hearing. The House Judiciary Committee on Thursday also demanded to speak with the officials.
They are: Michael Elston, Kyle Sampson, Monica Goodling, Bill Mercer and Mike Battle.
Sampson is Gonzales` chief of staff, Elston is staff chief to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty and Mercer is associate attorney general. Goodling is Gonzales` senior counsel and White House liaison, and Battle is the departing director of the office that oversees the 93 U.S. attorneys.
#55 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 16, 2007 4:42:55 pm
For a country that has no fricking law, there sure are a lot of screaming, shouting, misbehaving lawyers in the Land of the Pure. Can anyone buy a black and white outfit and start to riot?
#54 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 16, 2007 4:01:23 pm
Reaction in Sindh - obviously there are far more important matters than misbehaving and terrorist lawyers. The treasonous liars are getting no sympathy other than in Poonzab.
SHIKARPUR: CM threatens to dissolve Sindh Assembly
By Our Correspondent
SHIKARPUR, March 15: Sindh Chief Minister Dr Arbab Ghulam Rahim has said that the agitation launched by the lawyers and the opposition on the issue of the action against the chief justice can be considered as a conspiracy against national interests
He warned that if the opposition did not change its attitude, he had the right to dissolve the Sindh Assembly.
He was talking to journalists after prize distribution ceremony of Shikarpur Festival in Wazirabad on Thursday.
Dr Rahim said that the lawyers and the opposition leaders were trying to destroy peaceful atmosphere in the country and particularly in Sindh.
Answering a question about a statement made by Leader of the Opposition in Sindh Assembly, Nisar Ahmed Khuhro, the chief minister said that he wanted to serve the people well hence how could he (chief minister) hurl threats to the people. However, he said if Mr Khuhro was taking his very statement as a threat then ‘my threat to him is to avoid unfair attitude of creating confusion between the people and the government.”
Earlier Dr Rahim visited Shikarpur Festival, witnessed the horse and cattle show and sports festival organized by the district government.
District Nazim Mohammad Arif Mahar presented a shield, an Ajrak and a Sindhi cap to the chief minister.
The chief minister gave away shields to Mr Mahar, DCO Khwaja Shafiq Ahmed, festival coordinator Zahid Memon, convenor Dr Abdullah Sethar and deputy convener Abdul Karim Sehto.
Speaking on the occasion, the chief minister said that district governments would be encouraged to hold cultural festivals and horse and cattle shows throughout the province.
Courtesy - Dawn, March 16, 2007 Friday Safar 26, 1428 (T)
SHIKARPUR: CM threatens to dissolve Sindh Assembly
By Our Correspondent
SHIKARPUR, March 15: Sindh Chief Minister Dr Arbab Ghulam Rahim has said that the agitation launched by the lawyers and the opposition on the issue of the action against the chief justice can be considered as a conspiracy against national interests
He warned that if the opposition did not change its attitude, he had the right to dissolve the Sindh Assembly.
He was talking to journalists after prize distribution ceremony of Shikarpur Festival in Wazirabad on Thursday.
Dr Rahim said that the lawyers and the opposition leaders were trying to destroy peaceful atmosphere in the country and particularly in Sindh.
Answering a question about a statement made by Leader of the Opposition in Sindh Assembly, Nisar Ahmed Khuhro, the chief minister said that he wanted to serve the people well hence how could he (chief minister) hurl threats to the people. However, he said if Mr Khuhro was taking his very statement as a threat then ‘my threat to him is to avoid unfair attitude of creating confusion between the people and the government.”
Earlier Dr Rahim visited Shikarpur Festival, witnessed the horse and cattle show and sports festival organized by the district government.
District Nazim Mohammad Arif Mahar presented a shield, an Ajrak and a Sindhi cap to the chief minister.
The chief minister gave away shields to Mr Mahar, DCO Khwaja Shafiq Ahmed, festival coordinator Zahid Memon, convenor Dr Abdullah Sethar and deputy convener Abdul Karim Sehto.
Speaking on the occasion, the chief minister said that district governments would be encouraged to hold cultural festivals and horse and cattle shows throughout the province.
Courtesy - Dawn, March 16, 2007 Friday Safar 26, 1428 (T)
#53 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 16, 2007 3:22:05 pm
Now it`s all becoming clear. The Paki Mahapunju ex-PM is calling the shots via remote control and the PPPs are all responding:
Nawaz backs protests
By Our Special Correspondent
LONDON, March 15: Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif has appealed to the nation to participate in protests being held across Pakistan on Friday. In a statement issued here on Thursday, the PML-N chief said that the time had come for the people to ensure that those who dared to subjugate the judiciary were held accountable.
Mr Sharif said that after destroying the constitution and subjugating parliament, Gen Musharraf had now launched an attack on the institution responsible for providing justice to the people.
He said that the action against the chief justice had proven that the general was capable of going to any length in violating the tenets of law, civilised norms and morality to safeguard his “unconstitutional, illegal, undemocratic and immoral rule”.
The PML-N leader appealed to the youth, intellectuals, traders, labourers, students, elders and other sections of society to join lawyers in their protest to rid the country of those who had put the very existence of the country at risk.
Mr Sharif pledged to stand shoulder to shoulder with the people in this struggle and to render every sacrifice required.
Courtesy - Dawn March 16, 2007 Friday Safar 26, 1428
Nawaz backs protests
By Our Special Correspondent
LONDON, March 15: Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif has appealed to the nation to participate in protests being held across Pakistan on Friday. In a statement issued here on Thursday, the PML-N chief said that the time had come for the people to ensure that those who dared to subjugate the judiciary were held accountable.
Mr Sharif said that after destroying the constitution and subjugating parliament, Gen Musharraf had now launched an attack on the institution responsible for providing justice to the people.
He said that the action against the chief justice had proven that the general was capable of going to any length in violating the tenets of law, civilised norms and morality to safeguard his “unconstitutional, illegal, undemocratic and immoral rule”.
The PML-N leader appealed to the youth, intellectuals, traders, labourers, students, elders and other sections of society to join lawyers in their protest to rid the country of those who had put the very existence of the country at risk.
Mr Sharif pledged to stand shoulder to shoulder with the people in this struggle and to render every sacrifice required.
Courtesy - Dawn March 16, 2007 Friday Safar 26, 1428
#52 Posted by bjkumar on March 16, 2007 2:07:42 pm
#various Nasah
Nasah sahib, you have seen this pattern too often to fall for it all over again.
At least your mind will not fall for it...as far as the heart is concerned...
Woh to dil ka maamla hai! Pointless to address.
The reality is that it is the same sequence every time, somebody pretends to become the savior of the land, to solve all its ills by ousting whoever is the current ruler. They never do anything real even if they can grab power - mian Mushy did the same routine in his own time.
Mushy is faulty in some ways - especially in his belief that any genuine opposition must be suppressed and he will brook no challenge to his own rule while mouthing ``real`` democracy. Other than that, he has few serious faults - he certainly could have been much worse.
Getting rid of the Mushy will not rescue Pakistan - Mushy is more a symptom of the malaise - not its cause.
Without trivializing individual sacrifices (no, mouthing stuff on chowk is not to be considered a sacrifice - but getting beaten up with sticks indeed is) let`s get serious.
A country`s rescue comes from working on the ground and building upwards - not from street rabble-rousing by a bunch of penguin-like-dressees!
#51 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 16, 2007 1:50:10 pm
GaaoN ma aag lagat he, aur susrey punjaibi buRhyaaN kahat hen ke koi humrey kanghan nahin dekhat he.
Today, the swarthy swarms of PPPs are marching, screaming, shouting, and throwing bricks against Mushy. Tomorrow these qismat ke maray haramzaaday will be marching, screaming, shouting, and throwing bricks at Ameer-ul-Momineen Hajrat Fajlur Rehman against having only two weeks to grow a foot long beard. :)
Today, the swarthy swarms of PPPs are marching, screaming, shouting, and throwing bricks against Mushy. Tomorrow these qismat ke maray haramzaaday will be marching, screaming, shouting, and throwing bricks at Ameer-ul-Momineen Hajrat Fajlur Rehman against having only two weeks to grow a foot long beard. :)
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