Is this Pakistan’s Democratic Revolution?
Aparna Pande March 20, 2007
#170 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 25, 2007 6:31:29 am
#153 Mantolives {``...Salim yaar... throw him another bone now. He has earned it.``}
Manto Bhai,
I will gladly contribute another bone, but first please don`t throw that brick at the nice policeman....:)
Manto Bhai,
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#169 Posted by bjkumar on March 25, 2007 6:08:08 am
#166 Manto Lives (Oh sure!)
[That was your evidence: That Towns is black so he is not good enough to give evidence.]
My dear Yasser, the Congressman is just as brown or black in pigmentation as most Indians are – and his skin color is not an issue and was not even mentioned in my response #159. You appear to bring it up out of the blue to distract from the thrust of my arguments.
The thrust of those arguments is that when I compare the Congressman’s latest “offering” on the issue of Gandhiji with what he has produced earlier, he seems to be moderating some of his positions.
Feel free to correct me on that if you are yourself sure.
Also feel free to comment on what I said regarding the apparent Khalistani connection.
(PS to mian Hamidm2: Sir, perhaps you have not been contributing enough to those campaign coffers.) :)
#167 Posted by MantoLives on March 25, 2007 1:13:10 am
On the Punjabi-Mohajir issue... I am forced to agree with Salim Chauhan...
Pakistan`s ills arise from the fact that the Muslim Bourgeoisie that formed the vanguard of the Muslim League and who ought to have led Pakistan were sidelined by the Punjabi Army and the Punjabi feudals... who found it extremely easy to dislodge the Mohajirs from their positions of power and authority in the name of ``locals`` were ``migrants``....
Had they thrown up a local bourgeoisie - things could have been salvaged.. but with Mohajirs- the UPites- Bombayites out, there was no other bourgeoisie and what replaced them were feudals and military men...
Had this sentiment of ``local v. migrant`` not been used so devastatingly by Punjabi and even Pushtun politicians, things would be very different.
#166 Posted by MantoLives on March 25, 2007 12:51:55 am
BJKumar,
That was your evidence: That Towns is black so he is not good enough to give evidence.
Well now I produce for your benefit Racist Casteist Hindu Fascist Bigot Gandhi`s own words from the The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi which prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what I have written is fact and it is you who is trying to cover up the real facts... what I produce below shows that Gandhi was the most racist and inhumane exclusivist bigot known to mankind... no wonder one of his own followers from the Mullah Brothers from Khilafat Movement declared later that even the worse Muslim was better than Gandhi... not because Gandhi was a Hindu... but because he was a racist casteist hindu fascist bigot....
Gandhi’s Mein Kempf
Like Adolf Hitler, Gandhi also compiled his racist manifesto when he was an accomplished barrister of age 35. Please note his extensive usage of the word “Kaffir” for black people- Citations are from Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi ... they may be checked again and again from any library in the US...
``A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir. ``
Collected works of MK Gandhi, Vol. 1, pg 150-151
``the whole objection to the Indian proceeds from sanitary grounds, the following restrictions are entirely unintelligible:
1. The Indians, like the Kaffirs, cannot become owners of fixed property.
2. The Indians must be registered, the fee being 3 pounds 10S.
3. In passing through the Republic, like the Natives, they must be able to produce passes unless they have the registration ticket.
4. They cannot travel first or second-class on the railways. They are huddled together in the same compartment with the Natives.
So far as the feeling has been expressed, it is to degrade the Indian to the position of the Kaffir. ``
Petition to Lord Ripon, CWOMG, Vol. 1, pg 199-200
``Ours is one continual struggle against a degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the Europeans, who desire to degrade us to the level of a raw Kaffir whose occupation is hunting, and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with and, then, pass his life in indolence and nakedness ``
Address in Bombay, CWOMG, Vol. 2, pg 74
``...A reference to Hunter`s `Indian Empire`, chapters 3 and 4, would show at a glance who are aborigines and who are not. The matter is put so plainly that there can be no mistake about the distinction between the two. It will be seen at once from the book that the Indians in South Africa belong to the INDO-GERMANIC STOCK or, more properly speaking, the ARYAN stock
We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race. ``
Indian Opinion 24-9-1903, CWOMG Vol. 3, pg 453
...The petition dwells upon ``the co-mingling of the Coloured and white races``. May we inform the members of the conference that, so far as the British Indians are concerned, such a thing is practically unknown? If there is one thing, which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type. Why bring such a question into the controversy at all?
The Transvaal Chambers and British Indians, Indian Opinion 24-12-03, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 89
Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension. ...Of course, under my suggestion, The Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly
Indian Opinion, 10-4-04, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 130-131
It is one thing to register Natives who would not work, and whom it is very difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing and most insulting to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered...
What is a Coolie, Indian Opinion 2151904, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 193
It reduces British Indians to a status lower than that of the aboriginal races of South Africa and the Coloured people.
Indian Opinion 15-9-1906, CWOMG Vol. 5, pg 419-423
Mr. Stead has boldly come out to give us all the help he can. He was therefore requested to write to the same Boer leaders that they should not consider Indians as being on the same level as Kaffirs.
Indian Opinion, 15-12-1906, CWOMG Vol. 6, pg 183
...the Governor of the gaol tried to make us as comfortable as he could...But he was powerless to accommodate us beyond the horrible din and the yells of the Native prisoners throughout the day and partly at night also. Many of the native prisoners are only one degree removed from the animal and often created rows and fought amongst themselves in their cells.
Indian Opinion 7-3-1908, CWOMG Vol. 8, pg 120
Apart from whether or not this implies degradation, I must say it is rather dangerous. Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized -- the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty, and live almost like animals. Each ward contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian thrown into such company!
Indian Opinion, 7-3-1908, CWOMG Vol. 8, pg 135
When I reached there, the chief warder issued an order that all of us should be lodged in a separate room. I observed with regret that some Indians were happy to sleep in the same room as the Kaffirs, the reason being that they hoped there for a secret supply of tobacco, etc. This is a matter of shame to us. We may entertain no aversion to the Kaffirs, but we cannot ignore the fact that there is no common ground between them and us in the daily affairs of life. Moreover, those who wish to sleep in the same room have ulterior motives for doing so. Obviously, we ought to abandon such notions if we want to make progress.
Indian Opinion, 6-1-1909, CWOMG Vol. 9, pg 149
CWMOG = Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi
Gandhi`s racism against scheduled castes and dalits
He wrote in 1922 for Niya Jawan
(1) I believe that if Hindu Society has been able to stand it is because it is founded on the caste system.
(2) The seeds of swaraj are to be found in the caste system. Different castes are like different sections of miliary division. Each division is working for the good of the whole....
(3) A community which can create the caste system must be said to possess unique power of organization.
(4) Caste has a ready made means for spreading primary education. Each caste can take the responsibility for the education of the children of the caste. Caste has a political basis. It can work as an electorate for a representative body. Caste can perform judicial functions by electing persons to act as judges to decide disputes among members of the same caste. With castes it is easy to raise a defense force by requiring each caste to raise a brigade.
(5) I believe that interdining or intermarriage are not necessary for promoting national unity. That dining together creates friendship is contrary to experience. If this was true there would have been no war in Europe.... Taking food is as dirty an act as answering the call of nature. The only difference is that after answering call of nature we get peace while after eating food we get discomfort. Just as we perform the act of answering the call of nature in seclusion so also the act of taking food must also be done in seclusion.
(6) In India children of brothers do not intermarry. Do they cease to love because they do not intermarry? Among the Vaishnavas many women are so orthodox that they will not eat with members of the family nor will they drink water from a common water pot. Have they no love? The caste system cannot be said to be bad because it does not allow interdining or intermarriage between different castes.
(7) Caste is another name for control. Caste puts a limit on enjoyment. Caste does not allow a person to transgress caste limits in pursuit of his enjoyment. That is the meaning of such caste restrictions as interdining and intermarriage.
(8) To destroy caste system and adopt Western European social system means that Hindus must give up the principle of hereditary occupation which is the soul of the caste system. Hereditary principle is an eternal principle. To change it is to create disorder. I have no use for a Brahmin if I cannot call him a Brahmin for my life. It will be a chaos if every day a Brahmin is to be changed into a Shudra and a Shudra is to be changed into a Brahmin.
(9) The caste system is a natural order of society. In India it has been given a religious coating. Other countries not having understood the utility of the caste system, it existed only in a loose condition and consequently those countries have not derived from caste system the same degree of advantage which India has derived. These being my views I am opposed to all those who are out to destroy the caste system.
Folio,
Nice try but history tells us a different story. Your entire thesis falls flat on its face when one considers that the Islamists, the religious fanatics, the Mullahs , the orthodox etc were more or less in the Gandhian camp during partition... meanwhile leading the Pakistan movement ... including Jinnah but others as well.. were mostly Ex-Congressmen disillusioned by Congress, Westernised leadership which had once been sidelined in the name of Pan-Islamic unity, feminists like Jahanara Shahnawaz, Shaista Ikramullah etc... and as a whole the Pakistan movement was a good cross section of society including liberals, marxists, atheists, Kemalists, Sufis, Shias, Sunnis, Ahmadis, Agha Khanis etc... which could not have been brought together had it had been ``religious madness``. Not only that but you had in alliance with the Muslim League, the untouchables and scheduled castes... indeed so important was one Jogindranath Mandal to the Pakistan Movement that he was appointed to the interim government on a Muslim seat. In contrast... the religious madness was the Khilafat Movement started by Gandhi which had divided the Muslims deeply ... Pakistan Movement on the contrary was a question of Muslim identity and reaffirmation of their national status.
That was your evidence: That Towns is black so he is not good enough to give evidence.
Well now I produce for your benefit Racist Casteist Hindu Fascist Bigot Gandhi`s own words from the The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi which prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that what I have written is fact and it is you who is trying to cover up the real facts... what I produce below shows that Gandhi was the most racist and inhumane exclusivist bigot known to mankind... no wonder one of his own followers from the Mullah Brothers from Khilafat Movement declared later that even the worse Muslim was better than Gandhi... not because Gandhi was a Hindu... but because he was a racist casteist hindu fascist bigot....
Gandhi’s Mein Kempf
Like Adolf Hitler, Gandhi also compiled his racist manifesto when he was an accomplished barrister of age 35. Please note his extensive usage of the word “Kaffir” for black people- Citations are from Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi ... they may be checked again and again from any library in the US...
``A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir. ``
Collected works of MK Gandhi, Vol. 1, pg 150-151
``the whole objection to the Indian proceeds from sanitary grounds, the following restrictions are entirely unintelligible:
1. The Indians, like the Kaffirs, cannot become owners of fixed property.
2. The Indians must be registered, the fee being 3 pounds 10S.
3. In passing through the Republic, like the Natives, they must be able to produce passes unless they have the registration ticket.
4. They cannot travel first or second-class on the railways. They are huddled together in the same compartment with the Natives.
So far as the feeling has been expressed, it is to degrade the Indian to the position of the Kaffir. ``
Petition to Lord Ripon, CWOMG, Vol. 1, pg 199-200
``Ours is one continual struggle against a degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the Europeans, who desire to degrade us to the level of a raw Kaffir whose occupation is hunting, and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with and, then, pass his life in indolence and nakedness ``
Address in Bombay, CWOMG, Vol. 2, pg 74
``...A reference to Hunter`s `Indian Empire`, chapters 3 and 4, would show at a glance who are aborigines and who are not. The matter is put so plainly that there can be no mistake about the distinction between the two. It will be seen at once from the book that the Indians in South Africa belong to the INDO-GERMANIC STOCK or, more properly speaking, the ARYAN stock
We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race. ``
Indian Opinion 24-9-1903, CWOMG Vol. 3, pg 453
...The petition dwells upon ``the co-mingling of the Coloured and white races``. May we inform the members of the conference that, so far as the British Indians are concerned, such a thing is practically unknown? If there is one thing, which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type. Why bring such a question into the controversy at all?
The Transvaal Chambers and British Indians, Indian Opinion 24-12-03, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 89
Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension. ...Of course, under my suggestion, The Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly
Indian Opinion, 10-4-04, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 130-131
It is one thing to register Natives who would not work, and whom it is very difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing and most insulting to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered...
What is a Coolie, Indian Opinion 2151904, CWOMG Vol. 4, pg 193
It reduces British Indians to a status lower than that of the aboriginal races of South Africa and the Coloured people.
Indian Opinion 15-9-1906, CWOMG Vol. 5, pg 419-423
Mr. Stead has boldly come out to give us all the help he can. He was therefore requested to write to the same Boer leaders that they should not consider Indians as being on the same level as Kaffirs.
Indian Opinion, 15-12-1906, CWOMG Vol. 6, pg 183
...the Governor of the gaol tried to make us as comfortable as he could...But he was powerless to accommodate us beyond the horrible din and the yells of the Native prisoners throughout the day and partly at night also. Many of the native prisoners are only one degree removed from the animal and often created rows and fought amongst themselves in their cells.
Indian Opinion 7-3-1908, CWOMG Vol. 8, pg 120
Apart from whether or not this implies degradation, I must say it is rather dangerous. Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized -- the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty, and live almost like animals. Each ward contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian thrown into such company!
Indian Opinion, 7-3-1908, CWOMG Vol. 8, pg 135
When I reached there, the chief warder issued an order that all of us should be lodged in a separate room. I observed with regret that some Indians were happy to sleep in the same room as the Kaffirs, the reason being that they hoped there for a secret supply of tobacco, etc. This is a matter of shame to us. We may entertain no aversion to the Kaffirs, but we cannot ignore the fact that there is no common ground between them and us in the daily affairs of life. Moreover, those who wish to sleep in the same room have ulterior motives for doing so. Obviously, we ought to abandon such notions if we want to make progress.
Indian Opinion, 6-1-1909, CWOMG Vol. 9, pg 149
CWMOG = Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi
Gandhi`s racism against scheduled castes and dalits
He wrote in 1922 for Niya Jawan
(1) I believe that if Hindu Society has been able to stand it is because it is founded on the caste system.
(2) The seeds of swaraj are to be found in the caste system. Different castes are like different sections of miliary division. Each division is working for the good of the whole....
(3) A community which can create the caste system must be said to possess unique power of organization.
(4) Caste has a ready made means for spreading primary education. Each caste can take the responsibility for the education of the children of the caste. Caste has a political basis. It can work as an electorate for a representative body. Caste can perform judicial functions by electing persons to act as judges to decide disputes among members of the same caste. With castes it is easy to raise a defense force by requiring each caste to raise a brigade.
(5) I believe that interdining or intermarriage are not necessary for promoting national unity. That dining together creates friendship is contrary to experience. If this was true there would have been no war in Europe.... Taking food is as dirty an act as answering the call of nature. The only difference is that after answering call of nature we get peace while after eating food we get discomfort. Just as we perform the act of answering the call of nature in seclusion so also the act of taking food must also be done in seclusion.
(6) In India children of brothers do not intermarry. Do they cease to love because they do not intermarry? Among the Vaishnavas many women are so orthodox that they will not eat with members of the family nor will they drink water from a common water pot. Have they no love? The caste system cannot be said to be bad because it does not allow interdining or intermarriage between different castes.
(7) Caste is another name for control. Caste puts a limit on enjoyment. Caste does not allow a person to transgress caste limits in pursuit of his enjoyment. That is the meaning of such caste restrictions as interdining and intermarriage.
(8) To destroy caste system and adopt Western European social system means that Hindus must give up the principle of hereditary occupation which is the soul of the caste system. Hereditary principle is an eternal principle. To change it is to create disorder. I have no use for a Brahmin if I cannot call him a Brahmin for my life. It will be a chaos if every day a Brahmin is to be changed into a Shudra and a Shudra is to be changed into a Brahmin.
(9) The caste system is a natural order of society. In India it has been given a religious coating. Other countries not having understood the utility of the caste system, it existed only in a loose condition and consequently those countries have not derived from caste system the same degree of advantage which India has derived. These being my views I am opposed to all those who are out to destroy the caste system.
Folio,
Nice try but history tells us a different story. Your entire thesis falls flat on its face when one considers that the Islamists, the religious fanatics, the Mullahs , the orthodox etc were more or less in the Gandhian camp during partition... meanwhile leading the Pakistan movement ... including Jinnah but others as well.. were mostly Ex-Congressmen disillusioned by Congress, Westernised leadership which had once been sidelined in the name of Pan-Islamic unity, feminists like Jahanara Shahnawaz, Shaista Ikramullah etc... and as a whole the Pakistan movement was a good cross section of society including liberals, marxists, atheists, Kemalists, Sufis, Shias, Sunnis, Ahmadis, Agha Khanis etc... which could not have been brought together had it had been ``religious madness``. Not only that but you had in alliance with the Muslim League, the untouchables and scheduled castes... indeed so important was one Jogindranath Mandal to the Pakistan Movement that he was appointed to the interim government on a Muslim seat. In contrast... the religious madness was the Khilafat Movement started by Gandhi which had divided the Muslims deeply ... Pakistan Movement on the contrary was a question of Muslim identity and reaffirmation of their national status.
#165 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 24, 2007 10:17:08 pm
Re: # 159 BJ
BJ, does Gandhi needs anyone`s defence? You take any great person, and you will surely find some rats who ranted against him. Its a normal thing. Its their raison d`etre.
``Haathi chaley bazaar, kuttey bhaunkeN hazaar``. Here they are not even hazaar.
BJ, does Gandhi needs anyone`s defence? You take any great person, and you will surely find some rats who ranted against him. Its a normal thing. Its their raison d`etre.
``Haathi chaley bazaar, kuttey bhaunkeN hazaar``. Here they are not even hazaar.
#164 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 24, 2007 10:07:52 pm
Re: # 161 Folio
You are wasting your farts, Sir.
You are wasting your farts, Sir.
#162 Posted by arjun2 on March 24, 2007 5:44:58 pm
#160 by Folio on March 24, 2007 3:22pm PT
Nobody believes here that you have monopoly over objectivity.
His wife does...but that`s about all...
Nobody believes here that you have monopoly over objectivity.
His wife does...but that`s about all...
#161 Posted by Folio on March 24, 2007 5:33:14 pm
2. Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther were all inspired by Gandhi and they admit it all the time.
As for ur opinion.....one minute, let me fart......yeah......it`s an opinion.
Want some new literature to make all of us believe that Gandhi was a Hindu fascist and Jinnah`s not a Muslim fascist.
As for ur opinion.....one minute, let me fart......yeah......it`s an opinion.
Want some new literature to make all of us believe that Gandhi was a Hindu fascist and Jinnah`s not a Muslim fascist.
#160 Posted by Folio on March 24, 2007 3:22:32 pm
#154 by Mantolives on March 24, 2007 10:15am PT
Re: # 142
Yasser,
Nobody believes here that you have monopoly over objectivity.
On the contrary I am (NOT) amazed at ur shallowness in analysing the history of Indian leaders. We all knew, in fact the whole world knows how fixed are ur blinkers! Take them off!
The material given is not new & I remember to have smashed it into smithereens once. Let me attempt it again albeit briefly.
even Jinnah wrote in a telegram to Devdas Gandhi (quoted in my ilog) in the aftermath of Gandhi`s death that Gandhi`s death was a ``loss to humanity`` ....
If Jinnah`s assesment on Gandhi`s death is true then u MUST be a moron to dispute the fact of Gandhi`s persona.
If Gandhi`s is a racist. What is Jinnah? Mega-racist who categorised people as superior and inferior? Btw, u guyz repeat this (Indians are dark skinned, macacas etc., ) on UP on and on??
If Gandhi`s casteist, was Jinnah wan`t a super casteist who manipulated Muslim League as his pocketborough obviosluy by playing this exclusivist mindset which can only be called mad casteism. If castesim is bad then religious communalism is a super monster and Jinnah was it`s advocate. So Jinnah is rogue par excellence.
If Ganshi is Hindu fascist wasn`t Jinnah`s a Muslim fascist? In fact Jinnah was more than that. He was blood-thirsty Muslim fascist.
1. The speech of US lawmaker in the US Congress doesnt give as the legitimate opinion of the US govt. Like Jinnah u too do name-dropping which per se doesnt connote anything substantial. The speech of the US lawmaker - like ur rants - is an opinion.
2. Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther were all inspired by Gandhi and they admit it all the time.
As for ur opinion.....one minute, let me fart......yeah......it`s an opinion.
Want some new literature to make all of believe that Ganshi was a Hindu fascist and Jinnah`s not a Muslim fascist.
Re: # 142
Yasser,
Nobody believes here that you have monopoly over objectivity.
On the contrary I am (NOT) amazed at ur shallowness in analysing the history of Indian leaders. We all knew, in fact the whole world knows how fixed are ur blinkers! Take them off!
The material given is not new & I remember to have smashed it into smithereens once. Let me attempt it again albeit briefly.
even Jinnah wrote in a telegram to Devdas Gandhi (quoted in my ilog) in the aftermath of Gandhi`s death that Gandhi`s death was a ``loss to humanity`` ....
If Jinnah`s assesment on Gandhi`s death is true then u MUST be a moron to dispute the fact of Gandhi`s persona.
If Gandhi`s is a racist. What is Jinnah? Mega-racist who categorised people as superior and inferior? Btw, u guyz repeat this (Indians are dark skinned, macacas etc., ) on UP on and on??
If Gandhi`s casteist, was Jinnah wan`t a super casteist who manipulated Muslim League as his pocketborough obviosluy by playing this exclusivist mindset which can only be called mad casteism. If castesim is bad then religious communalism is a super monster and Jinnah was it`s advocate. So Jinnah is rogue par excellence.
If Ganshi is Hindu fascist wasn`t Jinnah`s a Muslim fascist? In fact Jinnah was more than that. He was blood-thirsty Muslim fascist.
1. The speech of US lawmaker in the US Congress doesnt give as the legitimate opinion of the US govt. Like Jinnah u too do name-dropping which per se doesnt connote anything substantial. The speech of the US lawmaker - like ur rants - is an opinion.
2. Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther were all inspired by Gandhi and they admit it all the time.
As for ur opinion.....one minute, let me fart......yeah......it`s an opinion.
Want some new literature to make all of believe that Ganshi was a Hindu fascist and Jinnah`s not a Muslim fascist.
#159 Posted by bjkumar on March 24, 2007 2:48:51 pm
#154 Manto Lives (and he is not kidding!)
Ama Manto, you make a mistake by quoting this guy Towns who appears to have a solid track record of anti-India rhetoric which (because of unknown reasons) gets repeatedly quoted by the Khalistanis in the USA.
I do not know the reason for the honorable Congressman’s closeness (on such issues) with the Khalistanis – nor do I care to guess (or perhaps dare to guess)! :)
However, in the excerpt that you post, I see a silver lining! (in fact, one can read the original Khalistani posting here)
Note the following:
(1) How short the Congressman’s own introduction to that “book” is.
(2) How he carefully attributes that the views belong to that writer Singh and he is only trying for people to “broaden” their perspective.
Not much in itself, of course – unless one compares this “moderate” text to some of his vituperative remarks from the past – for example, compare it with his speech of about a year earlier on December 13, 2005, where he said the following words while still talking of Gandhiji (using the “provocative” title RACISM OF INDIAN FOUNDER EXPOSED) …
“…India must abandon its racist attitudes and its exploitation of minorities. It must allow the enjoyment of full human rights by everyone. Until it does so, we should stop our aid and trade with India….”
O what a difference a year makes – just note the toning down of his positions.
I wonder what happened during that one year?!
Now, other than those occasional speeches and the slipping-in of those pages into those massive records, what else has the honorable Congressman been doing on that issue?! Has he been making public speeches about it? To what audiences?! At what fund-raisers?! Do let us know, mian Manto!
I certainly do not find any mention of the material that you bring up on his web site! Why not? If he considers it a fine accomplishment – shouldn’t he try to trumpet it – like you do?! Just imagine what a “catch” that would be! Why try to merely slip in stuff when nobody is watching and then not even mention it?!
Has he tried to recruit any additional Congressmen to this “cause”? If he truly believes in this stuff, well, why does not he?
I really wonder why.
Best wishes to you and your Mrs.! It is not easy being a minority ANYWHERE! :(
PS: Yaar Manto, you seem to like those Khalistani sources and quote stuff just like they do – you are not friends with individual Khalistanis by any chance?! (If you are, don’t tell me! I would be scared of that lot!) :)
#158 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 24, 2007 12:47:38 pm
Re: # 151 Salim
Yaar, baap kehna ek cheez hai aur baap maanna doosri.
Anyways, perhaps your emotions are blurring your judgement a little bit. What do you say? There must have been something about mohajirs and others that allowed Punjabi domination, as you say.
Yaar, baap kehna ek cheez hai aur baap maanna doosri.
Anyways, perhaps your emotions are blurring your judgement a little bit. What do you say? There must have been something about mohajirs and others that allowed Punjabi domination, as you say.
#157 Posted by subhashjoshi on March 24, 2007 12:32:00 pm
YLH
Have you been able to do something about that tombstone on Prof. Abdus Salam`s grave? I mean, at least get it changed to ``Pakistan`s first Nobel Laureate`` or something. Your community owes that much to him, no?
Have you been able to do something about that tombstone on Prof. Abdus Salam`s grave? I mean, at least get it changed to ``Pakistan`s first Nobel Laureate`` or something. Your community owes that much to him, no?
#156 Posted by MantoLives on March 24, 2007 10:26:27 am
Yaar BJ... It would be better you accepted the facts instead of looking for alternative explanations ...
#155 Posted by MantoLives on March 24, 2007 10:20:27 am
Correction:
Nothing what you`ve said *has* ....
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