Pakistans Permanent Revolution

Re: # 205 Hamidm2
Wet dream? What wet dream?

Utterly & completely respected Masadi Sahib,

Most kindly refer to your idiotic post #196.

So you are back on the street...
It appears that after your Gora masters kicked you out, the Brown Pakistani Sahib decided to do the same.Tut, tut,tut.... Unfortunately, in absence of Social Security, you would now have to look for another place where you can ``train peons for the west``.Where all are you applying? Maybe I can put in a word for you? Do let me know if I can help...

I would recommend ``Ignited Minds`` by APJ Abdul Kalam, an able scientist and a good human being. Read it carefully and without prejudice. Masadi, stop looking backwards to the medieval times for inspiration. Our country is going through turbulent times. We need forward looking progressive people who can help us in this critical phase and also be part of the modernisation process that is sure to follow. Having stayed in US, you can easily become a major asset. The sooneryou realise this, the better it would be.....

Utterly & completely respected Masadi Sahib,

Most kindly refer to your idiotic post #196.

So you are back on the street...
It appears that after your Gora masters kicked you out, the Brown Pakistani Sahib decided to do the same.Tut, tut,tut.... Unfortunately, in absence of Social Security, you would now have to look for another place where you can ``train peons for the west``.Where all are you applying? Maybe I can put in a word for you? Do let me know if I can help...

I would recommend ``Ignited Minds`` by APJ Abdul Kalam, an able scientist and a good human being. Read it carefully and without prejudice. Masadi, stop looking backwards to the medieval times for inspiration. Our country is going through turbulent times. We need forward looking progressive people who can help us in this critical phase and also be part of the modernisation process that is sure to follow. Having stayed in US, you can easily become a major asset. The sooneryou realise this, the better it would be.....

Re: # 204 lowering the gaze would make being a eyewitness a bit of a paradox, no? But who are we to juidge god`s command or logic

#184 Urstruly {``Establish Nizam-e-Mustafa by Friday, March 9, or Else
- Moulana Abdul Aziz of Lal Masjid Islamabad ``}

Janab Mohtaram Maulana Urstruly Sahib,

Please indicate the year by which this ``Nizam-e-Mustafa`` is going to be established. I have heard about the last such attempt by Zina Owl Hag and just want to ensure that my loved ones have enough time to plan for such a catastrophe. Thanks.

Re: # 202

chalta,

good point ........ in islamic tradition you are supposed to lower your gaze while witnessing a rape and under no circumstances are you allowed to interfere and prevent rape ........ i think there is a hadith that says that ``those who prevent rape are worse than mirzaees``

#195 zeemax {``Once this was done, milder forms of Islam emerged beginning from Usman`s caliphate and extending into the Umayyads and later the Abbasids and the Ottomans (named after Usman) who promoted soft skills and soft sciences for an entire millenium instead of the art of confrontation. ``}

Zee Bhai,
Just one important correction. The Ottoman Turks, Osmanli, are named after Ghazi Osman Pasha and NOT the Caliph Usman. Ghazi Osman Pasha was a 13th century jihadi fighting the last of the Crusading spirit of the Byzantines. Please carry on with the rest of your discussion - I apologize for this interruption, but I do care about historical accuracy. :)

Re: # 201 Did the council say anything about what the witnesses should be wearing or whether to lower your gaze or not when witnessing the rape?

Re: # 200

pepe le pew,

....... hate to interrupt your wet dream, but we are making progress too .......... while you guys are struggling with the definition of sex we have managed to solve its many intracies :

Rape victim not bound to produce 4 witnesses: CII

* Council says adultery accused cannot be punished without 4 witnesses
* Stresses rape and consensual sex are separate crimes

By Irfan Ghauri

ISLAMABAD: The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) on Saturday unanimously decided that a victim of rape (zina-bil-jabr) should not be required to produce four witnesses to file a complaint.

The CII agreed that in rape cases, the affected woman would be a complainant, not a defendant. “In this case, the woman will be a complainant and the state will be bound to investigate, arrest the rapist and punish him if the crime is proved,” a press release of the CII said.

The council also stressed that rape (zina-bil-jabr) and consensual sex with someone other than a spouse (zina-bil-raza) are separate crimes. It observed that a person accused of adultery should be acquitted if the complainant fails to produce four witnesses to prove their point in court. Once acquitted, the accused could not be punished under any other law unless he/she refused to give a statement under oath or confessed to the crime, the council said.

Folks:

This article is worth reading, `Primacy of law in India` by Tasneem Noorani in today`s Dawn Op/Ed section. I highly recommend it.

I believe that the idealogical war between different methods of governance between India and Pakistan is not unlike the US-Soviet confrontation during the Cold War. While the principal difference between capitalism and communism was an economic one, India and Pakistan are bedeviled by a religious vs. secular divide. Economic realities hit you faster (and the Soviets collapsed in 70 years) than blunders caused by religious dogmas. It may take much longer for Pakistan`s polity to unravel (although the first limb was shed in `71). What we are witnessing however is a slow motion play of a nation state in the process of collapse. I believe that this article by a former Pakistani interior secretary affirms it. If and when India forges ahead economically to a point whereby the average Indian Muslim is better off than the average Pakistani, the whole driving idea of Pakistan is finished. Finito. Gone. Vaporized.
Indeed, this may have already happened in India`s western and southern states. YLH, are you reading?

Re: # 196

masadi,

......... stop repeating the same old stuff before you actually start believing your own nonsense ! .......... look mian, we on chowk might not be intellectual giants, but we can see through your lululand bs ........ it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that you have read one book (mills) and probably have a `degree` from some mail order `university` and have `taught` welfare mamas and criminals on parole at some inner city community college - not really stellar academic credentials .......... we are glad that you have finally got tenure at jamia hafsa, but stop bothering us ........please