Pakistans Permanent Revolution

Re: # 40

Firstly Stuka, whatever it is, tammans do not belong to sargoda. Secondly we never helped the british. Thirdly we are the decendants of Muhammad bin Qasim and this land has been ours for over 700 years.
It is just that people, who are not ready to face reality cannot create a democratic nation. Islam and democracy do not go together and it is time we accept it. Either dis Islam for democracy or dis democracy for islam.

Mind you, I am Tamman, and I will break you into pieces if you say a word about my family again. Correct your books and then talk!

PS: Ofcourse as the Elected Representative of Bombay Muslims for more than 3 decades, Jinnah did not seek election as Bombay`s dog catcher.

I wish he had though... he would have better luck dealing with Gandhi.

Harimau,

Once again you`ve made a tremendous fool out of yourself.

Jinnah was the elected member of the Central Legislature from Bombay continuous from 1910-1945 ... that is 35 years....

Ref ballukhan #322

You appended a long letter with the following signatures:

[Dr. Zakir Hussain
(Vice Chancellor Aligarh University)
Sir Sultan Ahmed
(Former Member of Governor General`s Executive Council)
Sir Mohd. Ahmed Syed Khan
(Nawab of Chhatari, former acting
Governor of United Provinces and
Prime Minister of Hyderabad)
Sir Mohd. Usman
(Former member of Governor
General`s Executive council and
acting Governor of Madras)
Sir Iqbal Ahmed
(Former Chief Justice of Allahabad High Court)
Sir Fazal Rahimtoola
(Former Sheriff of Bombay)
Maulana Hafz-ur-Rehman M.P.
Col. B.H. Zaidi M.P.
Nawab Zain Yar Jung
(Minister Gcvernment of Hyderabad)
A.K. Kawaja
(Former President of Muslim Majlis)
T.M. Zarif
(General Secretary West Bengal Bohra Community)]

If Jinnahbhai had signed any letter, he would have had to say:

Mohammad Ali Jinnah
Unable to be elected Dogcatcher in Bombay Municipal Corporation

Ref Yasser Latif Hamdani#330

[PS: About Muslim majority districts... what about Kerala ? I am not sure about the facts but the fact that Muslim League is always in the government in Kerala means that there are Muslim majority districts there.]

Yasser, dear boy, how about Pottalpudur (Dusty New Town) in Tamil Nadu? It has a dargah where a Muslim holy man (he is reported to have been buried in some other locations too so he must have had several bodies) is buried. In addition, we have the elephant, monkey, chipmunks and assorted wildlife associated with the dargah buried there. How about claiming Pottalpudur?

How about Kayal, a sleepy little village on the coast (hey, direct shipping services to Pakistan!) with 34 mosques at last count?

And those Malayalees who had the stupidity to migrate to the Land of the Pure in 1947 have returned to Kerala and are demanding to stay back.

Just take those Butt-Fakhrs who want to move to Pakistan, such as those Biharis in Bangladesh before you talk about Malabaristan.

Manto, Majumdar,
To set the record straight, I believe that there were some Muslim majority districts in UP - such as Muradabad. It is possible that the city of Lucknow had a Muslim majority before partition - but I am not sure of that. They say that Delhi was 51% - 40% non-Muslim and Lahore was 51% - 49% Muslim - how convenient? No one really knows about Calcutta`s actual demographics.

All this is for historical accuracy because I don`t think that religious identity ANYWHERE was a just or even logical metric for the idiotic partition of Pak Muttahida Hindustan, Akhund Bharat, or Bharat Mata. :( It was more than evil, it was STUPID.

Re: # 334 Should human right people approach International courts for action against invading of Nizam state and Kashmir ? Is there any way one can get ruling against India in this matter ? Can Children of Nizam go to International court. May be people with leagal backj ground can put light.
But real thing is have strong army , navy and airforce , a overwhelming military is far better than just talk which leads to no where.
Indian army has bigger enemy China, B.Desh, Nepal and Pakistan so it is wide spread compared to Pakistan. Only enemy is India. So if army is raised to 1.5 Million in man power on actual battlefield will have number superiority. Then talk can lead to something , at this time talk is useless. One way to increase taxes for defence and built of of additional 600,000 strong army and give all benefits to Freedom fighter as regular army. People make choices by not increasing army strength wrong message is going to enemy which is bound to lead to big wars in near future. Indian talk of trade, movies is all meant to demoralise people and help terrorists in Pakistan.

Re: # 334 Should human right people approach International courts for action against invading of Nizam state and Kashmir ? Is there any way one can get ruling against India in this matter ? Can Children of Nizam go to International court. May be people with leagal backj ground can put light.
But real thing is have strong army , navy and airforce , a overwhelming military is far better than just talk which leads to no where.
Indian army has bigger enemy China, B.Desh, Nepal and Pakistan so it is wide spread compared to Pakistan. Only enemy is India. So if army is raised to 1.5 Million in man power on actual battlefield will have number superiority. Then talk can lead to something , at this time talk is useless. One way to increase taxes for defence and built of of additional 600,000 strong army and give all benefits to Freedom fighter as regular army. People make choices by not increasing army strength wrong message is going to enemy which is bound to lead to big wars in near future. Indian talk of trade, movies is all meant to demoralise people and help terrorists in Pakistan.

Re: # 335 Presently no point in talking about gone old things its useless thing no fun.
I find those brave girl students more interesting and their principal spokesman more radical and planing changes. No its is proved beyond doubt guilt of India but now no punishment to her for naked invasion. Some time we can not change things we have to endure. Too much talking of sad things and their leaders cheating demoralise people and leads to too much whining and mental disorder and too much love of history. India had cheating and beneficial things in past but pakistan has future due to its people. Any way hope Mr.Manto aka YLH will leave India and get to present Pakistan as Pakistan needs strength of uoung people. Past is past as Imam Khomeni said is absolute correct.

#332 by Mantolives on April 6, 2007 2:55am PT


but one which took for granted that the other side was honest and would play according to legal and moral norms.


Umm..what about the land of the pure sending it`s soldiers disguised as civilians to take over Kashmir? Was that homest or moral?

You`ve got the events wrong...

1. Junagadh signed a document of accession to Pakistan.

2. India invaded Junagadh.

3. India suggested plebiscite as the way out, which Pakistan accepted.

It was a masterly move by Pakistan really... but one which took for granted that the other side was honest and would play according to legal and moral norms.

Kindly read H V Hodson`s chapter on Junagadh for details.

Manto mian,

Kerala has a 25% Muslim population but did not have a single Muslim majority distt. in 1947. The only Muslim majority distt. was created in the 1970s or 1980s (Malapuram, if I am not mistaken) by the state govt for political consideration.

Yes, India had accepted the plebiscite in Junagadh but Pakistan didn`t. Grandpa Bhutto and MAJ (pbuh) tried their best to get that state into Pakistan (b4 J&K acceded to India) for no rhyme or reason- no Muslim majority nor any contiguity to W Pak.

The point is that had at the time of independence/partition ML had simply said that all princely states would go to India-Pak on the basis of whether the population was Hindu or Muslim majority INC would have accepted the principle, Pak got J&K and India had a free hand in Bhopal, Hyd and Junagadh. But Pakistan and MAJ (pbuh) (to tell you the truth both sides) played games. India laying claim to J&K and flirting with Kalat while Pakistan tried mischief in Bhopal, Hyd, Junagadh and also the Rajputana states (aided and abetted by Zubeida a fact glossed over by the pseudo-secularists who made the movie).

Regards

PS: About Muslim majority districts... what about Kerala ? I am not sure about the facts but the fact that Muslim League is always in the government in Kerala means that there are Muslim majority districts there.

Majumdar mian,

With all due respect ...Urstruly can go to hell. I don`t care. Not only are cases decided on the basis of how and what the law was then, but also the fact that Ahmadis and several Christian organisations voted unanimously for Pakistan in the said district.

You`ve got the facts wrong on JK. India had itself accepted the principle of plebiscite in Junagadh. Therefore there was no question of Hyderabad here... ofcourse Jinnah had no idea that Nehru and Patel were the original founders of land grab mafia in South Asia.


Yaar Salim mian, I am simply giving you the facts.

Ironically in 1946, Muslim League won a clean sweep in UP and Bombay (even in 1937 they won all the seats). The point is that they should not have been made to pay for the fact that they followed their conscience. However the claim of people like Sir Sultan Ahmed Khan that the Muslim League kept the demand vague etc is rather ironic given that he was a Muslim Leaguer in 1940 and was expelled from the League in 1942 for joining the Viceroy`s War Council.... and the Lahore resolution covers all possible outcomes. The ``vague part`` comes regarding other issues like whether it would be one or two or six states etc... but there was nothing vague about Muslim majority areas within or without the Indian union. Even Azad pokes fun at these people in his book... when they came to his house after partition, he asked them straight out ... what was vague about majority areas. The only valid point that there is below is the post-1949 objectives resolution situation ... and the impact it could have had on Muslim minority in India... However 60 years down the road ... Pakistan has hardly any impact on Indian Muslims and vice versa. Indian Muslims are citizens of India... just like Bhagwandas is a citizen of Pakistan. Beyond wishing them well, Pakistan should not have any role to play in their well being and/or suffering.

Manto mian,

( then according to Congress every Muslim majority district in India of today should have become a small Pakistani enclave and vice versa. )

Ideally only Muslim majority disttts. of 1947, not today. And barring J&K and one distt. in WB all Muslim majority distts. did go to Pak. Then of course there is the little matter of Gurdspur distt. But Maulana Urstruly (pbuh) would no doubt agree that Allah`s Consitution should take precedence over the law of the day.

And quite possibly JK would have been Pak`s except for MAJ (pbuh)`s insistence on Hyderabad.

Regards

``Pakistan`s Permanent Revolution?`` Hmmm..Revolutions are created in a dynamic civil society ... Sanity check is requested if somebody thinks 1947 was a revolution. A big bad hindu`s fear was the reason. The big bad baniya is not in the picture now. In present circumstances absolutely nothing is going to happen, Mushy`s power comes from GHQ and Uncle Sam. He couldn`t care less abt black coats/veils. Status quo will return in few weeks ..
Mark my prophetic words...