Pakistans Permanent Revolution

Re: # 196

masadi,

......... stop repeating the same old stuff before you actually start believing your own nonsense ! .......... look mian, we on chowk might not be intellectual giants, but we can see through your lululand bs ........ it is obvious to anyone with half a brain that you have read one book (mills) and probably have a `degree` from some mail order `university` and have `taught` welfare mamas and criminals on parole at some inner city community college - not really stellar academic credentials .......... we are glad that you have finally got tenure at jamia hafsa, but stop bothering us ........please

#194 by anil,

What is your basis to say this, and why it is not delusional? Time is against institutionalized relgions, not just Islam. Please study this from this angle more. I know you can.

Anil,

I think kaalchakra has put it more clearly in a gem of a post on UP than I ever could. It is a phenomenon which goes deep into the Muslim psyche, and history provides plenty of proof as to how Islamic empires develop, then fall, and then rise again and again, even with different religious interpretations of the same Quran and Sunnah. This time around, the clear course is Back to the Basics regardless of where time goes.

There is a reason for it. Muslims have never been in a crisis like this since the events of mid 7th century, when only the basic codes provided the single-mindedness to overcome all odds and to remove enemies both from their midst as well as distant borders in a span of barely a decade. Once this was done, milder forms of Islam emerged beginning from Usman`s caliphate and extending into the Umayyads and later the Abbasids and the Ottomans (named after Usman) who promoted soft skills and soft sciences for an entire millenium instead of the art of confrontation. It was because they were not under threat of complete elimination and dominance forever. Muslims today are under such a threat.

Thus, it is back to the basics, which was quite simply `Jihad` and a strict moral code. You can see this recourse clearly everywhere in militant Islam beginning with Usama Bin Laden, to Taliban, to the Iraqi resistance, to Hazballah, to Ahmedinijad, to the Jamia Hafsa. This tide will not stop till it has achieved its goals. And then, Islam will again become soft till it is threatened again and so on ... This is how it works.

I quote kaalchakra:

``IMHO, we are falling in the same error that non-Muslim liberals make. In their cultural indifference and studied ignorance, they seem to think of Islam as at best woolly fiction of no real consequence, one that can`t impact any lives since it is open to and tolerant of free-ranging interpretions allowing everyone (Mulims and nonMusli) do as they want. (This is what they believe of all religions).

I think that is very disrespectful to this potent force which significantly alters any human landscape it takes over.

Here is what I suspect happens. True, like all else, Islam can be interpreted in a number of ways. That allows (limited) variation from time to time and place to place. But ONCE a particular intepretation has been broadly reached AT A GIVEN TIME AND PLACE, then that prevalent interpretation becomes an exceedingly powerful force against any EXTERNAL object/entity/rival idea everytime the two differ.``

Emphasis is mine.

Regards.

Re: # 195

Zeemax sahib:

Islam, as a non-muslim, I see has one great ability to create ``mini-institutions``, unfortunately all recently created institutions are by militant Islam, may be except for Edhi Foundation. Ahmednijad is a product of democracy (an institution) in Iran. Sooner or later the west will have to accept it. Islamic intellectuals should take a lead and form moderate institutions, instead wait for the pendulum to swing. New means to communicate are available to all in this global village we now live, and just for the pictures of hate of beheaings etc. These two, communication and ease to create mini-institutions, can be pwoerful to bring sanity to the currently madness.

People like those of #186/189/190 know very well that they have lost, and have no other recourse but to abuse and trivialize Islam in a `khasiani billi` fashion. People like these are lucky to be abroad (if at all they are) because the next change in Pakistan is going to be no other than Islamic (and not the moderate enlightened kind), and Munafiqs will be rendered stateless ...

They should work harder at their jobs as peons of the west (copyright masadi) so that they can remain there as far as possible.

Re: # 193

Zeemax Sahib:

``... the next change in Pakistan is going to be no other than Islamic (and not the moderate enlightened kind), and Munafiqs will be rendered stateless ... ``

What is your basis to say this, and why it is not delusional?

Time is against institutionalized relgions, not just Islam. Please study this from this angle more. I know you can.

:-) You got a point there. but why is it even under discussion till today by some people ...that was my point. (yes it is debated on the internet even today)

dullahbhatti #190: ``and you are no closer to deciding whether one should really wash his ass with left hand or right after so many centuries..``

I think this statement is a clear indication of your lack of knowledge of the subject, under discussion........Everyone knows, as it was decided a long time ago, that it is the left hand......

Establish Nizam-e-Mustafa by Friday, March 9, or Else

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Even if you accept them to be on the right path and Mushy to be on the wrong one....are these guys out of their minds to suggest a half-kafir like Musharraf could establish a true Sharia/Mustafa system in a week even if he wanted to do so?..dudes you guys have been trying to establish that mustafa and sharia thingie for last 1400 years with all those millions of ghazis and shaheed gone on the way and you are no closer to deciding whether one should really wash his ass with left hand or right after so many centuries......and now Musharraf is going to establish mustafa for you in a week?

Utterly & completely respected Masadi,

Most kindly refer to your idiotic post #170.

Why do you fail to see that you are no longer accepted even as a ``peon`` in the west. Otherwise the US college would not have rejected all your pleadings and kicked you out in favour of someone who was actually literate. Now that you are back in Pakistan, stop cursing your erstwhile Gora masters who discovered your ``true colours``(you are coloured, are you not??). Try to work hard at whatever college you are in, else you will be kicked out once again, probably to a place where you really belong.


BTW, How is everyone in Lululand????

#177 by eastmwest

Are you aware of the fact that John Walker Lindh, the convert associated witht he 7/7 bombing.

Haha ... ROTFL ...

(www.google.com)

Re: # 188

I meant that one of the participants in the London bombing was a converts, as is the Hicks fellow from Australia.

How come you never see intelligent, well adjusted, non-criminals from educated happy families converting to Islam. But typically the dredges, flunkies, violent etc... ones who ``get`` Islam?

You crack me up. Your contempt for others mimics Arabs contempt for you but you would lick their boots and be their willing peon anyday as would most Pakistanis.

gazankahn # 180

Apparently, you neither really believe in any divine message (outside of your own mind) nor do you wish to lead your life according to any such message. You would rather make things along as you need them.

Pakistan will always remain like this a millenium from now. Anyone who thinks that this or that may do the trick of improving the situation or bring ``true`` democracy or modernize in ``true`` sense etc etc is deluding himself. Fundamental to ills of Pakistan is Islam and value system that has originated from it. Sau Baat Kee Ek Baat.

#184 by Urstruly on March 31, 2007 3:06pm PT

Establish Nizam-e-Mustafa by Friday, March 9, or Else



mmmkay...

Establish Nizam-e-Mustafa by Friday, March 9, or Else

- Moulana Abdul Aziz of Lal Masjid Islamabad