Talibanization of Pakistan

Re: # 53

{From a religious perspective, everybody is, has been a Muslim?}

Not in the literal sense as implied in your statement, from a theological perspective where God creates everything and is Raab ul Alimeen.

{P.s.: (even Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib)? Even the boy who shot all these virginia tech students? }

Now you are playing with words, surely you have the ability to read and understand what the message explicitly stated.

{rt786 bhai, do you follow a religion or some sort of black magic?}

Whatever may be my choice, it will be mine and not for you or anyone else to judge or decide. My judge is the ONE and only One, nothing to do with little idols made in Taiwan or Afghanistaan.

#66 by Urstruly on April 19, 2007 9:00am PT

maulana urstruly: the paki aam junta is a junkie high on islam and the paki army is the drug dealer..sure, the drug dealer may occasionally indulge in some of his product but he makes his living on peddling his stuff, not keeping it himself...

the junkie-pusher analogy fits perfectly..the drug lords are themselves rarely addicted to their product but the lowest level distributor, in this case the lower levels of the army, are almost always addict...

#62 by zeemax on April 19, 2007 8:16am PT


The blunders go on and the Jihad moves on ... and with a Lincoln`s Inn graduate back in the force!


If you think there is any way the US government will let the paki government free omar sheikh, you`re off-the-paki-deluded-charts deluded...

Given the 60 years of history of Pakistan armed forces, and the number of times they have somersaulted on ideological stances, and not to mention their total disregard for the constitution, it is naive to think that the so-called ``agencies`` have any ideological relationship with the Islamists or Jihadies. From time to time it has been a marriage of convenience, no doubt, but ideologically they are as far apart as Americans were from the Afghan Mujahideen during Soviet era.

Pak Armed forces is the true manifestation of the Military Industrial complex set up on corporate model where members have mob like loyalty to the self interest of organization. This is the mindest that Pak army has inherited from the time when East India Company first established colonies on the coast of Bengal and established their first security forces consisting of locals to save their establishments from the ``decoits``. These security forces wee later transformed into the British Indian Army. The brainwashing that was done to those recruits was so effective that that army had no qualms about butchering their own people. The tradition and mindset still persists. Quaid-e-Azam was the first to realize this cancer and fired the first CinC of Pak Armed forces, General Gracey, on the spot when later refused to take part in the jihad of Kashmir. Had Quaid lived a little bit longer he would have purged the military from officers like Sikandar Mirza, Ayub Khan and others who later destroyed this nation and country.

It is a vicious circle. The NaPak fauj will never accept the dominance of civilian rule and it will do everything in its power to cause the failure of a government of people, by the people and for the people, whether these people are Islamists or atheist/modernists. So anyone who ``partners`` with NaPak fouj assume that it will carry its agenda is merely fooling himself. The ``smart`` people have realized this and joined the club who considers Pakistan as ``halwai ki dukaan, nana jaan ki fateha`` and eat it 24/7.

Precisely, Zee, no fair person can have a problem with that, at all. That`s logical and is just what should be expected.

It`s gentlemen like rafi_aamer who need to understand the nature of Jihad or Islam. But you would say, and that would be true, that a soldier can be used without his or her knowing in the least about the nature and the purpose of the flag he is carrying. :)

(My guess is rf786 is not ignorant. He knows his game.)

Re: # 61

I will try my best to absorb what you wrote though I can`t promise a success in that :)

Thanks.

Rafi

Re: # 60

Omar Sheikh hasn`t been hanged yet. His case is on appeal. After Khalid Sheikh Muhammad`s alleged confession (alleged because KSM hasn`t been tried yet for his crimes and may never go thru an open court trial), the case has taken a new dimension because, earlier, the government of Pakistan had named Omar Sheikh for killing Daniel Pearle. The last I heard, Omar`s lawyer was preparing to file a new appeal based on reports from Pentagon about KSM`s confession.

#60 by kaalchakra,

Lemme butt in to answer this question.

Omar Saeed Sheikh was convicted of murdering Daniel Pearl and sentenced to death in Hyderabad jail which was still to be carried out. In the meantime, the americans got Khalid Sheikh Muhammad to confess (amongst the 45 or so confessions) that he had personally beheaded Daniel Pearl.

At that, Omar Saeed Sheikh`s defence has lodged an appeal that since another man has confessed to the crime, Omar Saeed is wrongly accused and convicted and must be exonerated and acquitted.

They`ll win. There can be no further argument.

The blunders go on and the Jihad moves on ... and with a Lincoln`s Inn graduate back in the force!

So there :)

#58 by rafi_aamer,

I`m glad you noticed that.

Unresolved issues are the progress of `Islamic Democracy` onwards following Muhammad`s death and the revolt of Ansaar against the Muhajareen, pacified by the Companions (Abu Bakr/Umar/Abu Ubaidah) as a priority (instead of crushing them or turning against them) before even burying Muhammad who was left unburied, to attend to the crisis because it was more important than burying Muhammad, for the unity of Muslims; and the bowing to people`s will which prevailed throughout the first four`s reign which resulted in three out of the four being assassinated by common men while without a single personal guard around to prevent the people`s verdict upon them being carried out.

Has anyone seen a bigger `democracy` than that?

If you first absorb the above, we may continue.

Rgds.

rafi_ammer sahib, do you have any information about Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh? Has he been hanged yet, or how that case might be progressing?

Re: # 56

Faruk,

I am not sure how did the agencies manage the jihadi elements. By putting them out of business or asking them to lie low for the time being? Only time will tell.

Rafi

Re: # 48
Zeemax,

I wanted to ask the question before but couldn`t get time. Khurram and you have referred to something as working out the unresolved issues. I would like to know what is it that you are referring to.

Thanks,

Rafi

Re: # 43
Zeena,

You keep criticizing things that I didn`t write in my article. Nowhere did I say that the main reason for corruption in Pakistan were Mullahs. I was trying to have a discussion but you seem to be having a munazra. Unfortunately, I don`t like to have munazras. So, I hope you will forgive me for ignoring your posts from this point on.

Let`s just say, going by the number of LOL`s in your posts, that I am glad my article provided you some comic relief so it wasn`t a totally worthless effort. I hope to provide you some more in future.

Regards,

Rafi Aamer

Re : rafi_aamer # 32

“There is a lot of blame to go all around for the situation. A major part of the problem are the elements within the so-called ``sensitive`` agencies in Pakistan. They were given the task to handle Mujahideen during Soviet occupation of Afghanistan but instead of just handling, they got married to the Jihadi ideology and now are a major scare for anyone who wants to fix things.”

Rafi,
I feel that the agencies have done a good job of managing the jihadi elements. I suspect the Jamia Hafsa incident was instigated by them to divert attention from the chief justice and those pesky lawyers. The army likes to present itself as the lesser evil.

Regards,

Faruk

....#54 correction ..

...half a decade of efforts to championing Islam should read ...half a century of efforts to championing Islam.

#49 by rf786

Zia used it, Obl uses it, our Mma uses it, Syed Qutb Used it ... What makes this time different ...

Let`s take these one by one:

Zia: He kept power for 11 years using the epitaph of Nizam-e-Mustafa, but didn`t even know what it meant otherwise he wouldn`t have hanged ZAB on a false charge (now publicly admitted by one of the consenting judges and later the CJ of Supreme Court Nasim Hasan Shah), mass floggings of political workers and journalists, and public hangings just to instill fear amongst his own people. Nizam-e-Mustafa, above all, means justice.

OBL: He rightly uses the concept, though he has never even mentioned Muhammad as far as I remember. I think both Usama and Mullah Umar have modelled themselves after the Caluph Umar Khattab who represented just one facet of Muhammad`s persona.

Mma: Please see my comment below about `sarkarai` Mullahs. They will go wherever their political expediency takes them, such as the recent conference of the `Federation of Madrassas` (dunno what that is .. ) sponsored by Maulana Fazlur-Rahman condemning the actions of Lal Masjid/Jamia Hafsa as being `unislamic`. What else can they do when the latter have snatched the limelight from their half a decade of efforts to championing Islam?

Syed Qutb: Usama and Mullah Umar follow the Syed Qutb model for revival so my comment remains the same in this respect as given for Usama.

As for what makes this time different? I think the answer should be obvious in the results.

Rgds