Talibanization of Pakistan

rt786

From a religious perspective, everybody is, has been a Muslim?

P.s.: (even Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib)? Even the boy who shot all these virginia tech students?


rt786 bhai, do you follow a religion or some sort of black magic?

Re: # 50

Islam is not only Mohammad as described and preached by the prophet. According to Muslim faith and nearly all other faiths, God (Allah) created the universe, therefore by default all prophets Adam, Abraham, Jesus are all Muslims ie followers of Islam. From a relgious perspective, who is to decide when Islam started or finished or short-wired that is a subjective discussion and is influenced by events and history of that period.

As for the current global village concept (thanks to the west) Pakistan is still 50-100 years behind in terms of achieving that state of achievement. And Jinnah wud strongly disagree with your views regarding creation of Pakistan for muslims only.

Re: # 50

Islam is not only Mohammad as described and preached by the prophet. According to Muslim faith and nearly all other faiths, God (Allah) created the universe, therefore by default all prophets Adam, Abraham, Jesus are all Muslims ie followers of Islam. From a relgious perspective, who is to decide when Islam started or finished or short-wired that is a subjective discussion and is influenced by events and history of that period.

As for the current global village concept (thanks to the west) Pakistan is still 50-100 years behind in terms of achieving that state of achievement. And Jinnah wud strongly disagree with your views regarding creation of Pakistan for muslims only.

rf76

You have to agree with Zee that Muhammad`s Islam (as Zee and teshah describe it) was short-lived. Islam never really get a fair chance afterwards.

That fair chance exists today in Pakistan. In a country decidedly made for Muslims. In today`s world of telecommunications. Using the most advanced education available to anyone.

Re: # 48

Zee Sahib,

welcome back. Aapnay farmiya:

{What you`re seeing now is a revival of `back to the basics` and take it on from there, so the unresolved issues will be resolved in due course}

How many times in the past 1500 (fifteen hundred) years have we heard that comment before? Zia used it, Obl uses it, our Mma uses it, Syed Qutb Used it. Even the Xtian right wing uses it everytime they see a catastrophe and whip their flock into a frenzy against the evil forces of this world, promising a return to the ways of Jesus.

What makes this time different to all the other fake or undelivered promises?

Aaah .. back to being zeemax!

#10 by khurram / #11 by kaalchakra

... What you are seeing is the working out of unresolved issues in the concept of ``Islamic democracy`` ... It came naturally to all great social thinkers such as Iqbal, Jinnah, and Zulfie Bhutto.....

Though you missed `zeemax` amongst the above :)

Working out of unresolved issues is correct in Khurram`s comment. As I had elaborated elsewhere, Muhammad`s Islam was quite short-lived, which was derailed and atrophied at Karbala and has remained so since then because `malookiat` had set-in. What you`re seeing now is a revival of `back to the basics` and take it on from there, so the unresolved issues will be resolved in due course.

Ok. This is Zeemax and not adamkhan:

The recent incidents are a troubling indication that Musharraf has miserably failed to curtail the influence of Mullahs in Pakistan. The Talibanization, Pakistan-style, is nearing its completion.

This is quite a good article as far as the history of the objectives resolution is concerned, but it is quite presumptuous in lumping the Tanzeemis, the fedayeen, the Tableeghis, the mosque pulpit cryer, and most importantly, the political moulvi who is sometimes sarkari/sometimes in opposition ... all into the same basket as `Mullas`.

These are all as different from each other as anyone else, and all have different ideologies, motives and objectives. The only thing common amongst them is perhaps the name `Islam`, but then again, everyone calls themselves a Muslim, don`t they?

It is upto the liberal (Muslim?) civil society`s choice which of them they want to accept, and which one to reject. But they have to make a choice because Islam has been the country`s overriding governance mode from the very outset.

Regards

Zeemax ... not adamkhan

Or did chowk-staff decide to change my nic to adamkhan because zeemax was getting quite unpopular :)

How the eff am I signed-in as adamkhan? Chowk`s bugs are really gatting bad ... !!!!!

Re: # 42

Mdm Zeena,

Iam afraid you have me mistaken for someone else or you are simply fighting imaginary demons shaped as windmills. I have only one ID and quite proud to stay with just one.

facetious, sarcastic replies are the refuge of the ill-mannered people and you certainly do not fit that profile, however as a political analyst you are completly zero, swayed by emotions, headline news and popular propaganda. Read a few books before you make outlandish conclusions and avoid the political spectrum till then. Thanks

Arif

#25 rafi aamer sahib

Well, thank you very much for your eye opener post. I am sorry I was wrong and you were 100% right.

I am now embarrassed, will you forgive me for my wrong ideology?

Please, do.

Listen, now that we know Pakistan is all Talibanized and all of us Pakistani women are wearing burqa............

What will you do to eradicate Talibanization?

Now, I know the main reason for Pakistani society corruption is Mullahs......Mullahs are the main reason, Pakistan is #1 corrupt country in the world......

So, if we will take off Mullahs, Pakistan will be highly developed and with zero corruption. It will be a heaven...............Oh.God I can`t wait for that heaven............

Take care.

#28 rf786 aka ( a famous interactor)
Why you did not use your famous chowk id?
You are everywhere on chowk...........with that famous id...
Why not here? LOL......

How can I thank you for such an eye opener post? Please, accept my heart felt thanks for your highly intellectual and knowledgeable views.

I can`t thank you enough for correcting my English and for correcting my ofcourse wrong views.

I am thankful to my God(Almighty) to have such an intelligent, well informed and learned soul among us............

Well, now that I know I was in dark..........you showed me light of knowledge......

My mind bulbs are giving me too, much light and voltage.....very bright....

So, now I know Pakistan is totally Talibanized, all Pakistani issues are just b/c of all these mullahs.....
Just eradicate Mullahs and Pakistan will be developed and will be with zero corruption.....Wonderful!

BTW, why are you calling America ( a satan country)? America is my homeland........I love America.
I equally love Pakistan. One is my current homeland and the other is my coutnry of birth.

What`s wrong with , If, noorani or Qazi`s kids got their education from America?

If, Feudals can get their education from London, why these sinner satan Mullahs can not get their education from atleast America?

But, I do wonder why Feudals did not convert all 80% Of Pakistani population ( living in Rural areas) in to Western life styles? Why they let Noorani and Qazi to rule those 80% Pakistanis?

Thank God, I am now a changed person, just b/c of this interactor`s thoughtful views.....

Thank you very, very, very much.

#36 jayjay jii

Yes, I am ashamed that all of us, Pakistani ladies wear burqa........And we are forced to be Talibanized.........Sad state of affairs.

Yes, your post is well taken. I will spread your message of sympathy and concern to each and every corner of Talibanized Pakistan...............

I will also warn higher authorities what you warned me of?

Thank you very much for such a thoughtful post.............LOL

#33 Indian

You know what, you are right. Actually, I was scared of Indians that if they will find out that
all of us Pakistani women wear Burqa 100% and Pakistan is Talibanized and all Pakistanis are 100% Talibans..................

Now, that you caught us, Pakistani ladies wearing burqa and being Talibanized......Will you forgive us?
Please, forgive us and do not hate us. We are talibanized..................LOL

#22 by nycoolest

What you think of recent claim of cross breed Italian Indian Rahul Gandhi about Gandhis breaking Pakistan into two? Isn’t it a confession from an important personality of Indian that Indians never accepted Pakistan and always try to sabotage it just as you claim Pakistan do to India.

Yaar cool, was this some kind of a classified information that it had to be broken by Rahul Gandhi? The whole world knows India and Pakistan went to war. and the outcome was that India broke Pakistan into two. If Pakistan were in India`s place, do you think it would have spared India?

If we accept your allegations that Pakistan has run the insurgencies of Kashmir, Khalistan and do bombings in India, then it`s a complete failure to the Indian secret services and paramilitary forces that Pakistan is bringing harm to them since past 60 years and they cant even come up with a solid fact sheet to be produce in International courts build for these kind of disputes.

Forget Indian secret services, a Paki journalist Ghulam Hasnain wrote in detail about Dawood Ibrahim`s whereabouts and activities in Pakistan. And what was the outcome? He was abducted and tortured for 3 days by the Paki intelligence agencies before being released. To this day, Pakistan flatly denies he is there, even though recently, one of his cooks who tried to sneak into India and was arrested at the airport claims he lives in Clifton, Karachi. So there!

If Pakistan is involved, wouldn’t we all want to see their responsible to be in courts for many killings on India? It does need solid proofs though and if they are; should be produced. Blaming Pakistan in internal failures and fuckups is not a constructive solution Harish Bahi :)

Yaar, if that is the case, why is that every western country monitors Pakis closely? Because they know some Pakis are not averse to creating trouble.

It is shameful how many innocents get killed in Punjabi areas by Indra in 1984 and current day Kashmir by Indian forces.

Yaar, the number of Kashmiris/Punjabis killed is nowhere compared to what Pakistan killed in Bangladesh. However flawed the process maybe, at least soldiers accused of violence are arrested and court-martialled. How many Paki soldiers and officers were charged for offenses in East Pakistan?

#24 by okhla99

Accept the fact that most Indians and India as a country are hated and despised by all neighbouring states.

Yaar Okhla, the same goes for Pakis, only on a much wider scale. So what`s your point?