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Talibanization of Pakistan

Rafi Aamer April 17, 2007

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#182 Posted by echoboom on April 26, 2007 3:04:24 pm
ISLAM

Are You Nuts? A Woman Converts To Islam

Rabi`a Frank is a 31-year-old Dutch woman who converted to Islam in 1994, changing her first name from Rebecca.


Reuters

Rabi`a Frank is a 31-year-old Dutch woman who converted to Islam in 1994, changing her first name from Rebecca.

She is married to a Moroccan man who grew up in the Netherlands, and they have three sons.

In 2005 she began to wear the niqab face veil and is one of about only 50 women in total to do so in the Netherlands, according to estimates by the Dutch Muslim community.

The Netherlands is home to almost 1 million Muslims, or 5.4 percent of the population -- the second highest density of Muslims after France.
Bubbly and spirited, Rabi`a spoke to Reuters in her home, where she unveiled to reveal a blonde pony tail and western clothes.
``I was young when I became interested in Islam and when you are young, nothing is strange, you just dive in. It is a bit of a cliche -- I had a Moroccan boyfriend. At first I wanted to learn more about his culture. I got out library books about Morocco and then I got to Islam. I read about it in secret. I didn`t want to give him the impression that I was doing it for him.

``I first read the Koran in Dutch translation and it just got into my heart. It felt good, I could relate to it, I understood and it touched me.

``I heard of a Muslim centre in The Hague and I went there every week. Then one day the imam asked me if wanted to join some others taking their Shahadah (proclamation of faith in God). I gulped. `Already?` I thought. I didn`t think I knew enough yet, but then I agreed.

``I wore this ugly scarf I remember, I just grabbed one from the closet. After the Shahadah I couldn`t stop crying. It was very emotional.



``When my mother heard of my conversion she rushed into my room screaming and crying, yelling: `Why did you do that, what are you thinking?` It was awful. I thought to myself: `That reaction is exactly why I didn`t tell you.`



``Wearing the hijab felt like a form of liberation. Every day I had had to walk past some builders and they would whistle at me. Then the morning I walked past in my hijab they didn`t.

``On the one hand I felt so happy, thinking, `Finally, this is who I am,` but on the other hand I wanted to say `Hey, look, I am still the same girl underneath.`



``It took me years to work out how to tie the scarf. When I first converted I took old Turkish and Moroccan women as a model. I wore those typical long coats -- and ugh -- it just wasn`t me. I felt insecure especially when people said, `Look, a Turk with blue eyes!` I didn`t know how to dress.



``There is a joke of the `new Muslim tramp`. You are so used to wearing jeans and caring about fashion, and suddenly you abandon these concerns and start to wear these mixed-up clothes. Most converts go through this `tramp` phase, I think before they find a style.



``I didn`t have a lot of contact with native Muslims at first. My family-in-law thought that as I wasn`t Moroccan I was no good. It took me years to prove myself to them and I think now I am the one who takes religion most seriously.




``I feel a lot of respect from native Muslim women. They think, `wow -- you are Dutch yet you dress like that.`



``I can`t really pinpoint when I first started thinking I should wear the niqab. But when I first became a Muslim I was in love with Islam. I was like a sponge, everything was Islam, Islam, Islam. After a few years that feeling became less intense yet I wanted it again -- I wanted to do something more for Allah. Seeing other women in a niqab touched something in me. I told my husband I wanted to wear it too. `Are you nuts?` he said. He was not happy about it, but my feeling didn`t go away.


``Wearing the niqab has nothing to do with being ashamed of your femininity or being oppressed. It is just a way to express more love to God.

``It is nonsense to suggest that by wearing a niqab I don`t take part in society. When you walk through the streets or go shopping, how much contact do you really have even without a niqab? It is not as if you talk to everyone you meet. A woman once said `I can`t make contact with you,` but I thought, `well did we ever make contact before?`

``I`ve joked I had a gun or a bomb under my robe in my rebellion days. I still have rebellion days sometimes. I always say something back if someone makes a comment about me. Part of it is that people don`t see you as human. So if you respond they are shocked. And if that response comes in good Dutch then they are really stunned. I think I have to try and educate people a bit.

``Some people think converts are just looking for any religion. If that was so I would choose an easier one. Islam is a beautiful religion but it is not always so easy. You have to battle with yourself a lot.``
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#181 Posted by Urstruly on April 26, 2007 11:02:19 am
Re: # 167 Mantolives

``I`d like you to show me when and where the 1985-1988 assembly voted to omit the word freely... ``

The elections of 1985 were held in February; in November the Jonejo Assemblies passed the 8th Constitutional Ammendment, which provided constitutional protection to all the actions and constitutional ammendments done during the Martial Law. Hence thru 8th ammendment Jonejo Assemblies also sanctified the inclusion of Objective Resolution into the constitution with *** instead of ``freely`` into it.

Yes there is an argument on legitimacy of such ammendments, but that was not your quaetion.
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#180 Posted by rafi_aamer on April 26, 2007 6:51:23 am
#174
``light that reaches the planet earth is from the (i.e. our solar system`s) Sun and it takes about 8 minutes? Light from anything beyond the Sun is either eaten up by black holes in-between, or simply bounces off, and whatever remains is mingled with the sunlight and reaches the earth in 8 minutes flat. He seems to believe light travels from the end of the universe to planet earth unimpeded and zigzagging between black holes. Or does he even know these exist? I mean, this is undergrad stuff. ``


#178
``Bhai, the Sun `emanates` light, stars don`t. That`s the difference. The stars you see are just `this` solar system`s stars (and you may ponder upon why it`s called a `solar` system and not a `star` system in the first place) which merely reflect sun`s rays around which all these revolve. All human perception begins when `this` solar system`s sun`s light reaches planet earth which itself is a `star` (and a very minor one) and does not emanate light but reflects it, and it takes eight minutes. ``

#179
``and moon is just another star .. it`s just the closest to earth so it`s the brightest. No other reason``

Zeemax,

That`s stellar knowledge. kaalchakra wasn`t wrong about you being smart.

Take care,

Rafi
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#179 Posted by zeemax on April 26, 2007 5:15:56 am
contd .. missed this:

... and moon is just another star .. it`s just the closest to earth so it`s the brightest. No other reason ..
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#178 Posted by zeemax on April 26, 2007 5:13:58 am
#177 by harish_hyd,

Yaar Harish, what`s your argument?

Bhai, the Sun `emanates` light, stars don`t. That`s the difference. The stars you see are just `this` solar system`s stars (and you may ponder upon why it`s called a `solar` system and not a `star` system in the first place) which merely reflect sun`s rays around which all these revolve. All human perception begins when `this` solar system`s sun`s light reaches planet earth which itself is a `star` (and a very minor one) and does not emanate light but reflects it, and it takes eight minutes. That`s all that I`m saying.

Now, what`s your argument?
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#177 Posted by harish_hyd on April 26, 2007 5:00:28 am
#176 by zeemax

Isn`t the sun a star too? I thought only the moon reflected the Sun`s light.
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#176 Posted by zeemax on April 26, 2007 4:54:01 am
#175 by harish_hyd,

I am even more amazed now. Please look up on whether stars emanate light or reflect it.

Regards.
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#175 Posted by harish_hyd on April 26, 2007 4:45:44 am
#174 by zeemax

Light from anything beyond the Sun is either eaten up by black holes in-between, or simply bounces off, and whatever remains is mingled with the sunlight and reaches the earth in 8 minutes flat.

What about the stars that we see at night? Isn`t that light too?
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#174 Posted by zeemax on April 26, 2007 4:39:25 am
#173 by echoboom,

Oh my God, I just can`t believe this. He bases his entire argument on the speed of light measured @ 186000 miles/second taking 18-20 billion years to reach earth and therefore claims to know the size of the universe. I`m shocked. Where did he read that?

Is he unaware that the only light that reaches the planet earth is from the (i.e. our solar system`s) Sun and it takes about 8 minutes? Light from anything beyond the Sun is either eaten up by black holes in-between, or simply bounces off, and whatever remains is mingled with the sunlight and reaches the earth in 8 minutes flat. He seems to believe light travels from the end of the universe to planet earth unimpeded and zigzagging between black holes. Or does he even know these exist? I mean, this is undergrad stuff.

But the most disappointing was when he was flummoxed by the questioner`s query that aren`t Prophets free from limits of time & space and gave Muhammad`s `Mairaaj` as an example, and he completely sidestepped the issue without daring to deny `Mairaaj` (he can`t because he claims to be a Muslim) and rambled into how his calculations were proof Issa can`t be in the fourth sky, without giving the questioner any further opportunity, then asked him to sit down.

Arrey Bhai, the questioner had asked about Mairaaj, not Issa being in the fourth sky.

Is that all? Not that I ever imagined there would be anything more, but still ..... now I know where sattar2`s arguments come from and why he keeps harping upon Issa in the clouds.
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#173 Posted by echoboom on April 25, 2007 6:33:47 pm
Especially for Zeemax and Kalachakra.

This is really a Howler
Best Comedy Series on Youtube.

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#172 Posted by echoboom on April 25, 2007 6:03:31 pm

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#171 Posted by ballukhan on April 25, 2007 4:09:24 pm
Congrats to my mujahideen bros...........the battle has finally been won..........Shariat would soon be enforced in Pakistan........the Talibanization is complete!!


http://www.dawn.com/2007/04/25/top2.htm

Govt accepts Lal Masjid demands: All issues settled: Shujaat




By Syed Irfan Raza

ISLAMABAD, April 24: The government has agreed to accept all demands put forward by the Lal Masjid management, including the enforcement of Sharia in the country.

The second round of talks started on Tuesday night when Pakistan Muslim League president Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain paid a surprise visit to Lal Masjid and met its in-charge Maulana Abdul Aziz and deputy in-charge Maulana Abdul Rashid Ghazi.

The PML chief assured the mosque administration and girl students of Jamia Hasfa that the government was ready to accept all their demands, including the enforcement of Sharia
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#170 Posted by syed512 on April 24, 2007 11:42:25 pm
Hi friends,
The discussion is going on very long. plz see this clip for conclusion.......

http://pakistaniat.com/2006/06/11/adil-najams-pakistan-the-video/
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#169 Posted by teshah on April 24, 2007 7:13:56 pm
Re: # 161

Zeemax

Why to become a Muslim when I am a born one?

Not at least in the sense described in Sura Hujrat:

Baquol Quran Musalman ka to matlab maghloob insan he. Ayat 14, soorae hujurat (49) mein Allah farmata he:
``Kaha ganwaron (Arab Awam) ne ki imaan laae ham. Keh nah iman laae tum lekin kaho `Musalman` yehni maghloob hue ham aur abhi nahin daakhil hua iman biich tumhare dilonN meiN aur agar farmanbardari karo Allah aur rasool uske ki nahin kam dega tumhaare amloN se kuchh. Tehqiq Allah bakhshne wala mehrban he.`` (Pickthall)

BTW, have you heard the following couplet by Josh Malihabadi?

``Momin nah kare sajidah to Muslim nah rahe
Aur Aarif jo kare sajidah to kaafar ho jaae``

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#168 Posted by MantoLives on April 24, 2007 2:51:03 am
Majumdar...

The said state would have to be in limits of what is acceptable. Thus discrimination is not acceptable.

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#167 Posted by MantoLives on April 24, 2007 2:50:15 am

Urstruly,

I`d like you to show me when and where the 1985-1988 assembly voted to omit the word freely...

As far as I know ... the word was absent from the text appended to the constitution.

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