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Re: # 442
sattar

``It seems Bahais are not seen as a threat and perhaps hence largely ignored by mullah in Pakistan. They seem to be persecuted in Iran though … I don’t know the details …``

Right! Bhaies are persecuted in Iran, there home-ground and Ahmadies likewise in Pakistan. I think Bhaies may not present a challenge to the Paky Mullah but they are evidently a greater challenge to Islam as they assert that Islam, which had a life of 1200 years only, has long since expired like the other pre-Islamic Abrahamic religions. But the Paky Mullah totally ignored it because it did not affect his business. I wonder Bhais have a palatial centre here in Islamabad but few people know about it. Probably because the Mullah did not provide it negative publicity as they did in the case of Ahmadiat. In fact the greatest danger to the mullah business is the appearance of a prophet, even a false one, as they may call.

Urstruly,

It is laughable to have you assert belief in science … while waiting for a prophet from 2000 years ago to climb out of his grave. That’s all.

… didn’t mean to upset you over this whole Islam thing. No need to get so defensive. All you need is more faith … and everything will be alright. No, really …

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There you go again with your Tourette Syndrome. Please explain to me what is that that compels you everytime to ``stir up the pot`` despite the fact that everytime it is you who ends up even more miserable. Look, for the thousandeth time, I have no interest in ``proving`` quadiani system of belief right or wrong, as long as you do not ascribe the name ``Islam`` to your belief system. Live and let live. You must learn to have tolerance towards the beliefs of others. Sadly, I must point this out to you the undeniable obvious, again, that Quadianiat cannot stand on its on merit.

Urstruly,

You really are dense … and just another nutcase with superstitious beliefs. And I am ok with it (grin). Apparently Islam is flexible enough to accommodate beliefs of the uninformed (read idiots). Welcome to Islam: Bring along your superstitions; let’s have a party. Takbeer.

Next pillars of Islam: Earth is flat; white man is evil; women should be periodically beaten up to please god.

So you think Jesus will be resurrected? But he did not die in the first place! Apparently he remains alive to this day, in flesh and blood, and resides above the clouds. What resurrection??? He simply needs to descend from the clouds … that would be a good start!

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This would be a good time for you to stop harping about millions of Muslims who believe in evolution and science. It makes you come across as a rambling fool trying hard to sound intelligent. No?

Re: # 455

So Mirza Sahib was a spiritual Jesus Christ and not the real Jesus of Nazareth (pbuh). Shouldn`t then he would have faught a spiritual one-eyed fire breathing donkey at least. But anyway ``to you your belief and to me mine``. And more power to you if that is your belief.

The Muslim belief in this regard is that Jesus Christ (pbuh) will be ressurected again when the time of the Day of Final Judgement would be near, as an adult, in Damascus. Once again his reincarnation in this world would be (this time not only without father but mother as well) as miraculous as it was then when he was born to Virigin Mary (pbuh). He will unite all the Muslims around the globe and establish a glabal empire of faith during his lifetime, instead of creating a petty little cult.

… in other words, Issa died 2000 years ago, has been dead since then, and is expected to stay that way for times to come. I hope this is now clear (grin).

Your ullema believing in science and evolution is fine and dandy; I am impressed!! But pray tell us, how do they suppose this Issa will come back? Climb out of his grave, or descend from skies where he supposedly has been residing all this time …???

... we are all curious, you know ...

Urstruly,

I am glad we are discussing basic, little things … which adequately highlight your sheer stupidity.

According to Mirza Sahib, Issa died almost 2000 years ago and has been buried in Kashmir ever since. He is not going to climb out of his grave.

Furthermore, reappearance of Issa is a spiritual metaphor, which has been fulfilled in prophethood of Mirza Sahib.

Got it, little genius??

Re: # 452

The truth is on the record that Mirza claimed to be the very Jesus Christ who was saved from cross and brought to Kashmir. He claimed that in no uncertain terms. There is no innuendo. So either you are lying about your own belief or all the records of Mirza`s accounts are wrong. In both cases you should repent and seek forgiveness from Allah for your indiscretion and transgression.

Urstruly,

Ahamdi-Muslims believe that Issa died at an old age, like a normal human being. His reappearance refers to a prophet among Muslims who will bear spiritual resemblance to Issa.

Is this too difficult to understand?? I’ll wait for your answer before going further, you idiot!!

Let me get this straight. According to Quadiani beliefs God can resurrect Jesus Christ (pbuh), who was living somewhere else but clouds, in the physical person of Mirza Quadiani, but cannot resurrect humanity in physical appearance on the Day of Final Judgment? As a Qura`n thumping Mirzai would you also care to explain when Qura`n says that `` At length, when they reach the (Fire), their hearing, their sight, and their skins will bear witness against them, as to (all) their deeds.``

Well, I can imagine the sense of hearing and sight of spiritual beings but what about ``skin``.

Here is the detail. Fear the Day.



``On the Day that the enemies of Allah will be gathered together to the Fire, they will be marched in ranks.
At length, when they reach the (Fire), their hearing, their sight, and their skins will bear witness against them, as to (all) their deeds.
They will say to their skins: ``Why bear ye witness against us?`` They will say: ``(Allah) hath given us speech,- (He) Who giveth speech to everything: He created you for the first time, and unto Him were ye to return.
``Ye did not seek to hide yourselves, lest your hearing, your sight, and your skins should bear witness against you! But ye did think that Allah knew not many of the things that ye used to do!
``But this thought of yours which ye did entertain concerning your Lord, hath brought you to destruction, and (now) have ye become of those utterly lost!``

…………….Chapter - (Signs) Explained 41:19-23

Urstruly,

When I saw the pic, my immediate reaction was to think that Jesus has been sighted on the moon! May be in the next pic you post ...??

Resurrection on the Day of Judgment would be spiritual, and not physical, in nature. Similarly, reappearance of Jesus refers to coming of a prophet in the spirit of Jesus. Got it, little genius? Refer to #377 for details.

Moving on

Are you are telling us that Jesus has been residing above clouds for past two thousand years … will descend down to earth on shoulders of two angels … and will fight a one-eyed monster who will be riding a giant fire-breathing donkey …??

It is fine for you to be superstitious. Just don’t harp about millions of Muslims believing in evolution and science and such stuff. It comes across as double-talk. And as you suggested, one either has faith, or he does not; belief has little to do with reason and cannot be questioned.

Next pillar of your Islam: earth is flat! We’ve been there … it was called “dark ages”. Thanks, but no, thanks.

And as zeemax explained, Islam does not support superstition, but is flexible enough to accommodate beliefs of the uninformed (read “idiots”).

Got any more cool pics??

Urstruly,

U mean 2 say that the line u see on the moon was made by Muhammed?

Was the ring-band around Saturn cud be the foreskin of the prophet?? Plz clarify.

``How will Allah ressurect Jesus Christ (pbuh), residing in heavens?``

It is the same question that jahil kaffir beduines used to ask Holy Prophet (pbuh), as to how will Allah ressurect us all on the Day of Final Judgment from mere dust and bones. It is Allah who showed those Beduines how He can split the moon in half just as Holy Prophet (pbuh) waved his finger.

Look at this and be humble:

OK, I’ll stir the pot once again … to bring the discussion back to issue raised in this article …

Is Issa coming down or not …?

zeemax, you were supposed to reach consensus with Urstruly and Naqsh.
What’s the verdict?

Urstruly, let’s set aside them millions of Muslims who believe in evolution and science and stuff … question remains … how is this Issa supposed to reappear? Don’t be hard on yourself ... I suspect your faith has become weak … in which case Issa may scrap the plan altogether. “What’s the point?”, he’d wonder …

On the other hand, how long can he stay above clouds?? Global warming may make the heat unbearable for him … or he may simply fall through the hole in ozone layer … No???

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