In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth

To be a munafiquoon & Murtadoon is to have a lack of faith in the one & only diety they themselves claim to believe in--the Supremacy of Man himself. But then still they cannot do away with the concept of a diety.
Now can there be a bigger ailment & disease than that?

Never ever shall they ever be DE-depressed...for they suffer from a cancer of their Psyche or until they recite : La ilaha; il al-Insaan

Reciting only the first half of the Kalima is at the root of their ailing hearts & minds.
Shrinks must get their heads examined, once a year or when there License is renewed. Even Driver`s Licenses & Taxi LIcebses are renewed after check up.

We might discover that it is really the Shrinks who have been exercising too much influence
in this so-called ``modern`` world.

Instead of these barrage of ``articles`` [ read:disease-confessions disguised as intellectualism or desire to understand] by the murtadoons it is far better to be positive and pro-active and listen to this:

MashaAllah what a discussion.

Depression - The Plague of the Modern World

On a more serious note:

Term “son/children of God” appears in the Old Testament for David, Solomon, and even for Israelites. It denotes a metaphor, meant to underscore a close bond between man/people and God.

Apparently this term was applied literally in the case of Jesus … perhaps to enhance marketability of Christianity to pagans, who already had similar beliefs.

DM saab,

Faith like love is blind. Blind faith is superfluous especially wrt God. As men of modern times we can give grades to it like reasonable, good/bad faith etc.,

To discuss Dr Gill`s point abt Son and God:

The modern man`s dilemma:- was a man created out of cloning cud be the son or brother of the `father` man?

re #313,

... when I have it, it is faith.
When others have it, it is blind faith ...

freethinker:

What is the difference between faith and blind faith in matters religious?

Farzana:

Thanks for your feedbacks.

In one of them, you wrote, ``The son of god is not god.`` A reasonable person would think so but Trinity is a very complex concept. The believers believe in it but find it hard to explain it to the non-belivers. According to trinity, Jesus is the Son of God and also God.

For the time being, I give the following quotations to illustrate my point:

According to John 5:21, ``For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives them life to whom he is pleased to give it.``

According to John 10:30, ``I and the Father are one.``

According to Colossians, ``For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.``

Religion is a matter of faith. Those who believe in it may have peace of mind; those who don`t have faith are not any worse for it. It is easier and simpler to have faith than to lose it. Those who lose it, are the ones who do not want to have blind faith.

With regards,

Mohammad Gill

Farzana:

``.......... if he showed up today they would lock him up in an insane asylum or kids woud chase him down the street shouting ``pagal e oye !``.``

Hi!
Unless, of course, he shows up in the ``new land of opportunities``. As far as I know, the only ones chasing Sai Baba are the billionairs, the top politicians and bureaucrats who want his support for one reason or another.

#308 Hamidm2

Very funny, mian! But I am neither! :) :)
We are all mere learners on this site.

#300 by parthaab:

This `best post` thing has not really affected me; I wish it would not bother you too considering you jumped in and laid claims to it in jest. I thought you were up for some ribbing...

Being tongue-in-cheek is a valid response and it was addressed to the general tenor of discussion, including one`s own sparse contribution.

You appear to have ignored what was really germane: Thanks for pointing out your posts 1-9. They are indeed silently evocative and rather the best. For they manage to cross both sides of the divide. The religious person might well say that it proves the omnipotence and invisibility of god`s powers and the non-believer can declare, here, there is nothing so god is Nothing.
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#302 by hamidm2:
[Re: # 298

parthaab,

``Why does nt God show himself and clear all doubts ?``

........... the last time he did it the people beat the crap out of him and then crucified him ........... if he showed up today they would lock him up in an insane asylum or kids woud chase him down the street shouting ``pagal e oye !``........... god might not be the brightest star in heaven, but he ain`t no fool !]

The son of god is not god...

As re. ``Why doesn`t god show himself and clear all doubts?``, a few queries:

1. Has god asked anyone to believe in her/him?
2. Who is the doubter? Then why must anyone want to prove to those who do not believe? You only show your cards to those whom you trust. As you said, god is no fool...
3. God probably likes being mysterious.
4. What about polytheistic faiths? God is in all forms, so you can dance with god, sing with god, learn with god, drink with god, make money with god...goddesses are better at most of these.

The above could apply to humans as well. And god is in the details, so look carefully what you step on!

Re: # 307

bjkumar,

............who do you think you are - henry higgins !? ......... or is it dr frank bryant ?!

#303 Zeena

[hatred for Pakistan, Islam and ofcourse Mohd-Ali_Jinnah]

Alas, little sis, how you misunderstand me! Have you seen even a touch of those elements lately?!

Notice for instance, how I have even left the Manto alone.

I carry no hatred - never did - all I carry is my desire for the country to reconcile with its mistakes and do better.

And for you, and only for you, notice how I am making every effort to temper my words.

Which is a lot harder than it appears to many.

You may wish to revisit some of your own words with respect to the Dr. Gill, now!

Zeena,

There is a law of gravity also, but this naughty Issa continues to defy it. Not only that, but he has managed to stay alive, residing above clouds, for two thousand years now.

And don`t get me started on the trickster, Moses ...

Did you also walk out of your Islamiat class ? Or did you sit through, taking notes, memorizing what you were told???

You seem to be overlooking the flip side of your argument!
And therein lies the rub ...

Re: # 304

zeena,

sorry to hear about your horrific experience with school, but it is not too late - you can still get a ged ........

I still remember studying this retarded Darwin`s evolution theory when I was in 9th grade.
Back then I read it again multiple times and @ the end my mind rejected it with all my mind`s fairness and logic.

Darwin`s theory of evolution seemed a big time joke to my mind, I laughed @ it.

When my teacher started discussing this theory in our class, I stood up and left the class, she asked me why?

I answered,``Why to waste time on a useless and stupid few words called Darwin theory of evolution? I would rather study something much more useful which would make sense.``

Darwin`s evolution theory was just a discarded theory, nothing more. It never became a law with NO evidence to back up........

There are millions of theories which are as useless as this theory could be.......All are nullified with out any proper proof.

Any Tom Dick and Harry studying lil bit of basic science can make up theories and make a rat out of him/herslef....that doesn`t mean a thing......

Theories have NO value unless they become a law........And for law we need data, evidence and proof......

So, this whole article is based on a nullified old and discarded theory.....LOL

#282 parthaab sahib
Yes, indeed some of your posts do make sense. Thanks

#283 bjkumar sahib
Well, you are good in writing play scripts, articles and poems. But, dear sahib ji
Here in this particular article, sorry you lost it......Well, please, don`t take it @ heart and don`t get all sentimental....we will discuss some other issues ( mean other than your hatred for Pakistan, Islam and ofcourse Mohd-Ali_Jinnah).......

Re: # 298

parthaab,

``Why does nt God show himself and clear all doubts ?``

........... the last time he did it the people beat the crap out of him and then crucified him ........... if he showed up today they would lock him up in an insane asylum or kids woud chase him down the street shouting ``pagal e oye !``........... god might not be the brightest star in heaven, but he ain`t no fool !