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Khuram (#359),

I am aware of these things. You should minimize ill-thought out assessments; they reflect poorly on you. Here’s a summary, with some details …

Ahmadi-Muslim beliefs

Ahmadi-Muslims believe in Allah Almighty, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and Quran as completion of divine law. They offer salat, pay zakat, fast during ramzaan, and perform Hajj. Hence they claim to be Muslims. Moving on to the crux of the issue …

Reappearance of Issa

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) foretold appearance of Issa among Muslims in latter days. Ahmadi-Muslim view is that this prophecy is a metaphor, which suggests appearance of a prophet among Muslims. This prophet will bear spiritual resemblance to Issa-ibne-Marriam.

Resemblance between Issa-ibne-Marriam and this future prophet of Islam

This future prophet would resemble Issa-ibne-Marriam in several ways:

Issa-ibne-Marriam did not bring new law. Rather, his mission was to bring people back to the existing divine Law, that of Moses (that is, Torah). He appeared approx. 1400 years after Moses, among Jews who were occupied by an outside nation, the Romans. At the time of his appearance, Jews, led by their scholars, had become corrupt and strayed away from teachings of Torah.

Similarly, when Issa reappears, his mission will be to bring people back to the existing divine Law, that of Muhammad (that is, Quran). He will appear approx. 1400 years after Muhammad, among Muslims who will be occupied by an outside nation, the British. At the time of his appearance, Muslims, led by their ullema, would have become corrupt and strayed away from teachings of Quran.

There may be more, but this should suffice for now.

Similar metaphor in Bible … and in our daily conversations

Symbolic reference to a future prophet is not new.

In Old Testament we find similar account … where reference is made to future reappearance of Prophet Elijah. Much later Jesus explained that this prophecy was fulfilled in appearance of John The Baptist (Prophet Yahya for Muslims), who had appeared in spirit of Prophet Elijah.

Use of such metaphors is common in our daily language as well. An intelligent person is sometimes called Einstein. Intention is to highlight an attribute that he shares with Albert Einstein, the Relativity dude.

Issa and Imam Mahdi

So Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) foretold appearance of a prophet, who will revive teachings of Quran. He referred to this prophet as Issa-ibne-Marriam.

In some ahadith Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) also referred to appearance of Imam Mahdi (the Guided One).

Note that a prophet is also a Mahdi, since he is guided by Allah. Two different titles (Issa-ibne-Marriam and Imam Mahdi) does not necessarily suggest two different persons. They may very well be references to the same person.

A hadith (from Ibne-Maja, I think) sheds some light on this issue. Here Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) suggests that Issa and Mahdi are indeed the same person.

Khatam-un-Nabiyeen

You are conrrect in that Ahmadi-Muslim belief in continuation of prophethood is not entirely new. They believe that divine law has been perfected and completed in Quran, but Allah may raise prophets to guide people as they go astray from teachings of Quran.

Similar views have been expressed by several well-known scholars throughout history of Islam. But I’ll digress for now.

I recently commented briefly on meaning of khatam-un-nabiyeen. Following link should suffice for now. 2nd half of the post gets into it …

Click [Khatam-un-Nabiyeen … Understanding Death Fatwa on Taslima Nasreen … post #364]

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly …

Here I am not claiming that Ahamdis are right, that Mirza Sahib is a prophet, etc. While responding to inquiries, I have made the case that Ahmadi-Muslim views are well-founded and not without merit.

It is inherently unfair for a person to use one yardstick to judge his faith, and another to judge someone else’s faith. Consistency in such standards is worth striving for. Double-standards are likely to lead to delusion, bewilderment, and hypocrisy.

Haha mircha laga......PUBHic followers ko.

The true colours of PUBHic philanderer are all over the net. Racism, sex & violence that sums of this bloodthirsty beast. Stupidy is the hallmark. Intolerence is the spirit.

#373 zeemax
[[The average Chowk Shamimists` dream ...]]]

LOL....you are hilarious as always........I agree...

#359 khuram
Thanks for this post.....I read the post and I will come up with own analysis....

#360 echoboom ji

I will read the whole link about all this confused sect, called mirzaiiism...and then will comment. Thanks for your response. I appreciate that...

#371 by Zeena,

Some clowns are always needed to keep things interesting ... like the almost entire chowk.com.

BTW have you noticed the desperation? Gillster is working extra time, so is hamidm, so are all the shamimists, so are all the hindoos, mirzais etc ... because they see the writing on the wall and are trying to keep their maum batti from flickering off .. :)

If chroniled the life of Muhammed wud stink if not more than that of Mirza Ghulan Ahmed. Religion is abt belief but not for propriety as per 21st century. If done now Muhammed wud have been in jail for this peadophilia.

(these quotes are from religious texts)

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Tabari IX:128 ``When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.``

This is how it happened:

Tabari IX:131 ``My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left.

The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old.``

Muhammad struggled to justify his behavior.

Bukhari:V9B86N98

``The Prophet said, `A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.` `O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent.` He said, `By remaining silent.```

Bukhari:V9B87N139-40 ``Allah’s Apostle told Aisha, `You were shown to me twice in my dreams [a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, ``She is yours, so uncover her.`` And behold, it was you.

I would then say to myself, ``If this is from Allah, then it must happen.`````

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IF MUHAMMED HAD SEXUAL FANTASIES ABT A CHILD WHY NON MIRZA FOR A BEGUM?

#365 zeemax
What the hell ........:@

Why all these crazy people start claiming something new?
They must be out of their mind.

#368 by khuram,

There`s a chowkie named `number`. Look in his profile.

Khuram,

Here’s some more on harassment issue:

Quran mentions twice the punishment for Prophet’s wives for their dishonorable conduct. It then mentions twice the reward for them if they are obedient to Allah and His Prophet (Chapter 33, verses 30-31).

Does this amount to harassment as well?
Be consistent in your assessment.

Re: # 366

I have not understood your point. Anyways, name of that ``popular`` Imam Mehdi was Syed Muhammad Junpoori.

Khuram (#353):

The ”uneducated and less educated Muslims” you refer to … comprises super majority of ullema of this day and age. Sir Syed is reviled by these ullema; people like Gill Sahib are no exception. What does this say about current Muslim leadership? Can we agree that they are indeed uneducated, or less educated, to say the least? Maudoodi is one example that comes to mind. BTW, these are the same ullema who are issuing calls for jihad and suicide bombings.

As for harassment, start with Quran … which harasses non-believers and hypocrites with warnings of great calamities. Do you see the parallel? Why is it OK when Quran says such things, but no OK with an Ahmadi says the same things?

Same applies to plague issue of Punjab. Along similar lines, Quran issued dire warnings: to people of Noah, to people of Lot, to those who opposed Muhammad (pbu them all) and more.

Let’s use the same yardstick, let’s not use double-standards. I hope you see your error here.

More later ...

#359 by khuram,

For example a ``popular`` Imam Mehdi emerged in Muslim India in the 14th century AD. He launched a ``fundamentalist`` type movement which is known as ``Mehdawi Movement``.

Yeah. This guy `number` is one. But at-least all he does is post some stupid numerical trivia in iLogs and doesn`t try to argue.