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Burqa Vaganza – A Satirical Backlash

Mohammad Gill May 2, 2007

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#355 Posted by dullabhatti on May 9, 2007 11:36:39 pm
#332 Thanks Zeemax. My urdu reading skills are not that great but it does seem to say that in the last 2 sentences of the text. Is it a calcualted idealogical point he is making or regular muslim habbit of bringing allah and Islam into to the argument to make, whatever point it is being made, unrefutable? if it calculated point of principle put forward by teh CJ then you are correct. but my feeling is it was a figure of speech.
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#354 Posted by teshah on May 9, 2007 9:53:02 pm
Re: # 313

DM

You are quite right dear. Ek hadees he ``Hazoor ne farmaya `Aurat sheitan ka jaal he. Agar shehwat na hoti to insan har giz is ke jaal mein nah phansta`. Hamein yih hadees ab nazar aai jab shehwat ka jaala hamari aankhon se uttar gaya. Rona to yahi he kih ham in ke bagheir reh bhi naheen sakte. Ghalib ne kia khoob kaha he:

``Mohabbat mein naheen kuchh farq jeene aur marne mein
Ussi ko dekh kar jite hein jis kafir pih dam nikle``

regards
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#353 Posted by teshah on May 9, 2007 9:36:12 pm
Re: # 305

tahmad32

Sorry dear tahmad my post # 301 about Mai hit you unintetionally. My comments were based purely on media reports which did say that Mai was an illiterate low-caste woman. I did not know that she was a gujjar as you are. Gujjar, I know, are a very `ghayyur` qoum but what I wonder is why the family of Mai spared `thrashing` (as you threaten me with) the Mastoies when they were allegedly dragging her for the alleged gang rape. I cannot believe this to have happened at all as a gujjar cannot be so `begheirat`.

I suspect this was merely a case of tribal vendetta bolstered up by media and NGOs for their own ends and in fact there was no rape wape at all as clearly borne out by the verdict of the Multan High Court. I am also a pendu and know to which length the tribal vendetta can go.

You called me a `dangar` to spite me but I think that animals are in a way better than us human as the Qurane Hakeem says ``You are worse than the cattle if you don`t think``, dear gujjar.



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#352 Posted by Urstruly on May 9, 2007 8:37:35 pm
Re: # 347

Your information is not correct. One of the demolished mosque - Masjid Ami Hamza - was built before Pakistan came into existence. The other 6-8 mosques range from 30 - 18 years old. This is outrageous. Islamabad is a city where no one even dare put his pick and shovel in the ground unless CDA approves it. That is because all the fat cat haramkhors have stake in the land there and like behriya of lahore and defence in Karachi, and motorway in punjab law is enforced to its fullest. So it is a lie that Mosques just popped up over night and no one noticed.
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#351 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2007 7:59:02 pm
Re: # 350

..........meanwhile, this is how good muslims show their gratitude :

In Large Immigrant Family, Religion Guided Three in Fort Dix Plot

PHILADELPHIA, May 9 — The three Duka brothers — Eljvir, Shain and Dritan — not only prayed here at the Al Aqsa Islamic Center, but also recently began repairing its roof.

Fred Abrahams of Human Rights Watch said, “Albanians on the whole are so very over-the-top pro-American that this news came as a shock.” The 1999 American-led bombing of Serbia resulted in de facto independence for Kosovo, a majority Albanian province in Serbia that had been the scene of brutal repression by the Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic. One of the main thoroughfares in Pristina, Kosovo’s capital, was renamed “Bill Clinton Boulevard.

fred abrahams does not understand the demons that drive these people

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#350 Posted by echoboom on May 9, 2007 7:41:02 pm
Coming back FULL circle:
Burqa Vaganza – A Satirical Backlash



Qatl-e Hussain, asl meiN mrG-e Yazeed hai
Islam zinda hota hai har Karbala kay ba`aad.....Maulana Muhammed Ali Johar

``Qatl GaahoaN sey chuun kar hamaray alUm
Aur niklaiN-Gey Uushshaque kay Qaafilay``.........Faiz

`` JahaaN meiN ahl-e EemaaN soorat-i Khursheed jeetay haiN
idhar niklay;, Uudhar doobay: Uudhar doobay; Idhhar niklay``...ALLAMA Iqbal
_



War brought Bosnian Muslim women back to Islam




By Daria Sito-Sucic

`Despite centuries of tradition, many are still learning how to be Muslims, since it is others who violently taught them to feel that way`




`Despite centuries of tradition, many are still learning how to be Muslims, since it is others who violently taught them to feel that way`

FILM director Aida Begic, a Bosnian Muslim, rediscovered religion when she was trying to rebuild her life after the country`s devastating war.

``I was raised in total freedom, not burdened by tradition,`` said the 30-year old. She is the first woman in her family to wear the headscarf since her great-grandmother.

Although most Muslim girls in Bosnia follow fashion, drink alcohol, smoke and socialise freely, they also increasingly observe fasts and religious holidays. Some, like Begic, choose to wear the headscarf over their Western brand clothes.

``People were surprised, commented, asked questions. Some found it totally unacceptable. But it is absolutely my own choice,`` she said while waiting for the start of an avant-garde theatre play in Sarajevo.

Bosnian Muslims are Europe`s only indigenous Muslim population, Slavs who adopted Islam during Ottoman rule starting in the 15th century. They traditionally practised a tolerant, ``gentle`` form of Islam that adapted official doctrine to local customs.

Often blond and blue-eyed, they look similar to the Catholic Croats and Orthodox Serbs with whom they share Bosnia. Before the war they were mostly atheist, classified as just another ethnic group in multi-cultural socialist Yugoslavia.

``Most Bosnian Muslim women have been highly secular, well educated and shared their history and heritage with Christians and Jews,`` said Dino Abazovic, a sociology professor at Sarajevo University. ``They also lived in a territory that is far away from other Islamic countries.``

But most of the 100,000 casualties of the 1992-95 war were Muslims. So was the majority of rape victims, most targeted by Bosnian Serb forces. The brutality of the conflict reinforced survivors` sense of identity, almost as a form of resistance.

``Whether or not women in Bosnia feel like Muslims, many are still incredibly reluctant to objectify their identities as it is often done in the West,`` said Aida Hozic, a Bosnia-born International Relations professor at the University of Florida.

``Despite centuries of tradition, many are still learning how to be Muslims, since it is others who violently taught them to feel that way.``

Although strengthened by the war, Islamic identity is still a hot topic in Bosnia because of the inroads made in the religious landscape by radicals from the Middle East and North Africa.

Hundreds of Muslim volunteers from those regions came to Bosnia in the early 1990s to fight what they saw as a war of faiths, taking up arms to defend their Muslim brothers and sisters against the Croats and Serbs.

Most stayed and married local women, and now live in strict Islamic communities in remote rural areas. Bosnia has already revoked hundreds of citizenships it originally granted to fighters after the end of the war, a move seen as part of an anti-terrorism drive requested by ally the United States.


While defended as a return to tradition by some, the headscarf and veil were also seen as a throwback to the early days after the war, when Islamic aid agencies gave pensions to widows in return for strict adherence to Islamic custom.

``Covered women were first seen as an exotic symbol of otherness and then turned into a symbol of a political threat, linked to terrorism,`` said anthropologist Elissa Helms, who has done extensive research in Bosnia after the war. Some urban Muslims still feel uncomfortable about being identified primarily by their religion and want to defend the easy-going multiculturalism that made Sarajevo a haven for all faiths for centuries.

``I don`t accept divisions according to nationality or religion,`` said Fadila Nura Haver, a popular Bosnian Muslim author and a single mother of three.

Her striking blue eyes sparkled as she gestured vividly, relaying how her son recently married a non-Muslim woman.

Although she said she fears extremist militant nationalism and religious fundamentalism the most, she was not opposed to people finding peace and comfort in religion.

``If two prayers mean the same to them as two glasses of wine after dinner to me, then each of us should enjoy our drinks,`` she said. reuters

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#349 Posted by echoboom on May 9, 2007 2:17:36 pm
Re: # 348
Well that is for you to figure out. It is there where the real ``funny`` part is.

To avail oneself of one`s father`s most favoured kaneez is bad policy from ``secular`` as well as Islamic point of view. Kaneez , as in Nikah, just cannot be as joint-tenancy or astenancy-in-commom.

So such trait can only be traced back to shaikhoo`s doting, devout, and devoted m.....
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#348 Posted by HisExcellency on May 9, 2007 1:53:57 pm
re: echoboom

I thought you were responding to my question from post #289 :))
Your post was really funny except that I didn`t get the following references:

{{KaheeN yeh doaghlee, yanee mixed, shadiyoaN kee vajhay say toa naheen?. }}

Are you referring to intermarriages between Mughals and Rajputs, or between Mughal princes and Persian slave girls??
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#347 Posted by abu_safwaan on May 9, 2007 1:50:36 pm
Re: # 345

Hazrat unn masajid ko shaheed hoayy zamana guzra, ghazii sahab koo ihtejaj ka qayall aaya jabb apnii rozii parr laatt parrii! Nihayatt moadabana guzarish hayy kayy abb kyoon saanpp songh gaya hayy, kya wohh masajids dobara tameer kardii gayii hein. Qibla game sara najayiz hathyayii hoii property ka tha jiss sayy estab. nayy sarf-e-nazar kiya hoa thaa kisii burray waqt kayy liyay. Wohh burra waqt nazil hoa CJ kay mamlayy mein orr phirr rahayy naam Allah kaa the rest is as they is history. Nara aap lagatayy hein shariat kayy nifaaz kaa, orr mukk mukkaa kartayy hein najayiz real estate parr, wahh sahab..kyaa Islam kii khidmat hayy.

Zara mujhayy bhii muttala farmayein kayy hamaray aslaaf mein sayy kitnoon nayy najayiz qabza karkayy, badmashi sayy , dandayy kayy zorr parr masajids tameer kee hein? Mein halfiya dawa karta hoon kayy agar yeah muqlis hottay too awam-un-nas mein jatayy or kehtayy kayy aap hamarii madad karein ham yeah zameen hukumat sayy Qareedein gay, yaqeen jaanyay, credibility rehti or yeah joo andhayrayy mein sazishoon kii wajah say jitnay moonh utnii batein hein wohh bhii na hoteen.

Andhayr nagri hay, masla yeah hayy kayy aappp logg tojeehat latay hein kayy, ``najayiz zameen par video shop kholtayy hein, apartment complex tameer kartayy hein too masjid kyoon nahii hein``. Khudara yeahh baatt samajh lijyayy kayy hamm apnayy sunayhray Islamii ussoollon kay mutabiq mamlatt nibta tayy hein, zyadtii ka jawab zyadti say orr choorii kayy jawab mein choorii, insani shoar too hoskata hayy Islamii qatayii nahii hayy.

As long as we keep reciprocating the moronic behavior of the liberals with the stupidity in the name of Islam, the masses at large will reamin turned off. We have to follow the discourse provided by our religion and we can`t simply try to out do the oppressors in their oppression as some kind of a justified payback.
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#346 Posted by Urstruly on May 9, 2007 1:26:40 pm
Re: # 344

Well the Gyaaarveen-shareef (9/11) brought a lot of the latter-day-Taints


That`s the funniest thing I`ve read in the longest time.
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#345 Posted by Urstruly on May 9, 2007 1:23:28 pm
Re: # 343

I think I have seen enough to to be cautious of both Rahzan and Rahbar and Rahzan in the guise of Rahbar. I will demand action from anyone who claims to be a Rahbar and will see how he or she stands up to the test. I support Jamiah Hafsa and their agenda in principle because they have stood the test. If they were the burqa wing of ISI then they should have kept quiet on the Shahadat of various mosques by this evil regime just as the sarkari moulvis of Jamat-e-Islami, and JUP have done. But instead they have made the issue of destruction of mosques as a national and ideological issue. Wouldn`t it have been easier for them to facilitate the work of ISI in rmoving those mosques out of Islamabad as demanded by their foreign masters. Moulvi Abdul Rashid and Abdul Aziz can do just as well if their madrasa is relocated somewhere near Tarnol but they have opted not to.
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#344 Posted by echoboom on May 9, 2007 12:25:38 pm
Zeemax:341

Well the Gyaaarveen-shareef (9/11) brought a lot of the latter-day-Taints into the Real-Politik (otherwise known as ground-zero-realities) but only Allah knows best....and it is foolish for those yearning to be domesticated to wag their tails & drool at their masters so openly & in muslim lands.

Most of these do-gooders mean well but the minds poisoned by the kind of education which churns out jobbers only; the kind who consider being a ``professional`` to be a high achiever.
[Kasbi is the exact translation of ``professional``]

[ `` We`re movin` on now, We`re movin on now to a de-luxe apartment``...signature song from `` The Jeffersons]

``You too have wings, but your reach is only upto the compound-wall`` The shaheen of Iqbal tells the self-delusioned rooster `` You seek your food in dust, whereas I criss-cross the stars for it``
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#343 Posted by abu_safwaan on May 9, 2007 12:08:56 pm
Re: Urstruly,

Sirjee I couldnt agree with u more, all`s i m saying is that you are betting on the wrong horse. Scratch the surface a bit, the real voices of revolution are not and can not stem from the very sources that are responsible for maintaining the status quo. Jamia Hafsa is a product of ISI and military thugs, it can never and i repeat never oppose the military establishment, they`ll put on a show for ya, which they had been ever since pakistan came in to existance but they owe their livelihood to military thugs.

Meer sada hein buhat, beemar hoay jiskay sabab,
Ussi Att-aar kay londay say dawa laytay hein.

Its high time that we recognize that the only way forward for the betterment of our country is to remove ourselves from the schakles of this evil force which is Pakistan Army and concentrate support the ground word that tableeghi jamat and tanzeem-i-islami is aptly doing, because i wholeheartedly believe that in this day & age specially in a country like pakistan, the essence of Islam can be implemented only thru a democratic process and if we give the process of democracy time, the self-corrective process will weed-out the ills, but all of this will have to happen at the cost of millitary establishment loosing its defense colonies and golf courses, obviously they are going to put up a fight, the question is are we as a nation, as a people ready to stand up?
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#342 Posted by hamidm2 on May 9, 2007 11:54:41 am
Re: # 338

urstruly,

...... i really can`t blame tahmed for accusing you of being lewd - in my experience, mullahs and other folks who claim be pious and holier than osama, tend to be extremely crass and vulgur in between their bouts of prayer .......... heck, some of the raunchiest jokes i have ever heard have been told by people with foot long beards and the mark of the devil on their foreheads ! ............. and this hypocrisy does not stop at bad jokes - they are also the biggest recipients of welfare checks , ssi, state subsidized housing, food stamps, and government cheese handed out by the governments that they profess to hate and despise ............ makes you wonder about what is under the burqa, doesn`t it ?
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#341 Posted by zeemax on May 9, 2007 11:52:20 am
#339 by echoboom,

I think Chowk meant well in the beginning, but that was in the pre-9/11 world. After that, they haven`t been able to adjust. Their world has ceased to exist but they carry on `unflinchingly`.

Now, there isn`t any `unflinching idealism`, and Chowk is just trying to keep it alive by encouraging the blasphemers both as authors and interactors, while repeatedly banning defenders like myself even when provoked on the slightest opportunity. They believe they will achieve some convergence of `Ideas & Identities of India Pakistan` in this manner.

I think Chowk.com should formally close as having acknowledged itself as a failed experiment on its tenth anniversary.

Regards.
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#340 Posted by Urstruly on May 9, 2007 11:48:59 am
Abu-Safwan

In principle, I do agree with you on the method by which this country should be Islamicized i.e. thru tableegh, talqeen, and setting example - and it is happening. But on the other hand I cannot ignore the fact that Pakistan is under occupation by corrupt, illegitimate and dictatorial rulers who openly defy God, Prophet (pbuh), and Constitution. They have no mercy for even school children, whom they butcher without any burden on their conscience. They kill, torture, and hand over Muslims and citizens of Pakistan - violationg their constitutional rights - to decalred enemies of Islam who have committed genocide of over one million Muslims only in last five years. Not only that but they enforce bay-hayaee and corruption upon society with their gun. How can I not show my moral support to those who try to bring this evil regime down and humiliate and defeat this evil institution of napak fouj. I do not have patience of angels and prophets, sorry.
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