Militant Liberalism
ahmad hayat May 9, 2007
#387 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 27, 2007 6:23:36 pm
Re: # 386
Mr.Hayat I read your comments about my comments. I have respect for everybody. It saddens me as you say I write which so bad I will be debarred from commenting.
I do not what you get by making such cruel comments.
I wish you good luck. Bye .
Mr.Hayat I read your comments about my comments. I have respect for everybody. It saddens me as you say I write which so bad I will be debarred from commenting.
I do not what you get by making such cruel comments.
I wish you good luck. Bye .
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#386 Posted by haji004 on May 26, 2007 8:47:48 am
Re: # 385
Do you find it not a sign of introspection that I am preaching the solution to Pakistan`s Problems by highlighting the evils that we have acquired by blindly following the obsolete and medieval models offered by Islam and (concretized and) validated by ignorant Arab populations and clergy...These evils through a twisted political processes have translated themselves into Pakistani Nationalism...
I quote from my article...
``The ascendance and capitulation to [Militant] Islam would be tantamount to submission to medieval Arab ideology and hence hegemony and would spell-out a cycle of intellectual drought similar to the one that the Arab invasions of Eight century brought to the shores of India and that so fossilized the decadent Hindu Religious philosophy in our Indian minds that even after thirteen hundred years we have been unable to align this religion imposed upon us with our natural social life and hence have been unable to achieve the empowerment that a healthy religion offers its adherents``...
What else is introspection???
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
Do you find it not a sign of introspection that I am preaching the solution to Pakistan`s Problems by highlighting the evils that we have acquired by blindly following the obsolete and medieval models offered by Islam and (concretized and) validated by ignorant Arab populations and clergy...These evils through a twisted political processes have translated themselves into Pakistani Nationalism...
I quote from my article...
``The ascendance and capitulation to [Militant] Islam would be tantamount to submission to medieval Arab ideology and hence hegemony and would spell-out a cycle of intellectual drought similar to the one that the Arab invasions of Eight century brought to the shores of India and that so fossilized the decadent Hindu Religious philosophy in our Indian minds that even after thirteen hundred years we have been unable to align this religion imposed upon us with our natural social life and hence have been unable to achieve the empowerment that a healthy religion offers its adherents``...
What else is introspection???
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
#385 Posted by ZahraJ on May 26, 2007 7:06:16 am
Ahmad - I am fine with your bitterness. I am surprised that your only take-away from the article was the geography of Islam and its salient features. The concept of introspection is nonexistent among the muslims worldwide. Period!!! I find it senseless to locate the superior version of Islam among the South Asians. What do we have to take pride in? NOTHING!!! Are you implying that the writer`s observations are incorrect about the muslim world? I guess you forgot to see the irony in the heat of the bitterness. And that`s ok! Another step away from conducting an iota of introspection :)
Introspection does not mean to constantly ridicule the Arabs for their oil and money. They have their issues. And yes, since they have the money, they can influence. What`s happening in South Asia or Pakistan to be specific? Let`s put that all on arabs as well. Another great step towards introspection :)
General Thought: Why are Muslims so averse to acknowledging any effort towards introspection by their fellow muslims (regardless of their origin, level of religiosity, and influence)? Is it the inherent religious ``superiority`` that comes in the way? Or the ego that continues to rely on perfection? Hmmmm....
(Norah Jones sings in the background)
Introspection does not mean to constantly ridicule the Arabs for their oil and money. They have their issues. And yes, since they have the money, they can influence. What`s happening in South Asia or Pakistan to be specific? Let`s put that all on arabs as well. Another great step towards introspection :)
General Thought: Why are Muslims so averse to acknowledging any effort towards introspection by their fellow muslims (regardless of their origin, level of religiosity, and influence)? Is it the inherent religious ``superiority`` that comes in the way? Or the ego that continues to rely on perfection? Hmmmm....
(Norah Jones sings in the background)
#384 Posted by haji004 on May 26, 2007 4:42:26 am
Re: # 383
ZahraJ...Please do pardon me if the tones in what is going to follow these introductory lines become a bit harsher than the decency of an intellectual discourse demands...
The militant, intolerant and oppressive representation of Islam , as it is perceived right now in the world, is due to two factors.
Primary Factor:
Islam is monopolized by the Arabs. I hate this ``Islam kee thackaydaree`` by the Arabs because we Indian muslims are much more intelligent than these dumbos to understrand and interpret Islam as it is and as it should be (if the need to adapt it to the contemporary needs arises).
Secondary Factor:
Up until 20th century nobody gave a s**t about Arabs but they won over the Anglo-American alliance during the WW-I by their anti-German/Turk stance. The second half of the Twentieth century brought Oil and hence prosperity to them and thus they re-started the preaching of this fundamentalist Islam.
It, hence, disturbs me greatly when people with a certain degree of intelligence ( such as you ) post/paste/read/distribute/publish/discuss articles like the one you have posted above that impliciltly acknowledge the Arab authority.
Islam does need a reform...but that would not be on the pattern of Western liberal reform that has the pivotal point of Gay-Pride on its agenda.
The reform of Islam is its emancipation from Arab hegemony and its complete separation (read: Isolation) from Endemic Arab History.
The Pakistani Fundo-Militants, even on this forum, don`t understand that we are considered ``Second Class Muslims`` by the Arabs...Only by freeing Islam from this Arab Mafia can we think of implementing a reform because reform is nothing but evolution and Arab hegemony is such a decelerating force that it cuts-off any effort to take this philosophy towards dynamism...
I can elaborate...but nobody wants to listen...everybody is busy googling to find verses from Quran that suit them...and if a question about the plagiaristic nature of Quran or eleven wives of the Prophet is asked...the answer comes in the form of 3 ounces of lead in the back of the head...
And then our ``keyboard warriors`` come on running to say that liberalism must not be militant.
I am getting a bit bitter...its better to finish this post right here...
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
ZahraJ...Please do pardon me if the tones in what is going to follow these introductory lines become a bit harsher than the decency of an intellectual discourse demands...
The militant, intolerant and oppressive representation of Islam , as it is perceived right now in the world, is due to two factors.
Primary Factor:
Islam is monopolized by the Arabs. I hate this ``Islam kee thackaydaree`` by the Arabs because we Indian muslims are much more intelligent than these dumbos to understrand and interpret Islam as it is and as it should be (if the need to adapt it to the contemporary needs arises).
Secondary Factor:
Up until 20th century nobody gave a s**t about Arabs but they won over the Anglo-American alliance during the WW-I by their anti-German/Turk stance. The second half of the Twentieth century brought Oil and hence prosperity to them and thus they re-started the preaching of this fundamentalist Islam.
It, hence, disturbs me greatly when people with a certain degree of intelligence ( such as you ) post/paste/read/distribute/publish/discuss articles like the one you have posted above that impliciltly acknowledge the Arab authority.
Islam does need a reform...but that would not be on the pattern of Western liberal reform that has the pivotal point of Gay-Pride on its agenda.
The reform of Islam is its emancipation from Arab hegemony and its complete separation (read: Isolation) from Endemic Arab History.
The Pakistani Fundo-Militants, even on this forum, don`t understand that we are considered ``Second Class Muslims`` by the Arabs...Only by freeing Islam from this Arab Mafia can we think of implementing a reform because reform is nothing but evolution and Arab hegemony is such a decelerating force that it cuts-off any effort to take this philosophy towards dynamism...
I can elaborate...but nobody wants to listen...everybody is busy googling to find verses from Quran that suit them...and if a question about the plagiaristic nature of Quran or eleven wives of the Prophet is asked...the answer comes in the form of 3 ounces of lead in the back of the head...
And then our ``keyboard warriors`` come on running to say that liberalism must not be militant.
I am getting a bit bitter...its better to finish this post right here...
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
#383 Posted by ZahraJ on May 25, 2007 9:35:43 pm
Ahmed - I am sorry but I still have not gone through your passionate article. Just came across an interesting write-up on the ``missing concept of introspection``. I thought of posting on this board. I hope you will see the irony here.
How to End `Islamophobia`
By TAWFIK HAMID
May 25, 2007; Page A15
WSJ
Islamic organizations regularly accuse non-Muslims of ``Islamophobia,`` a fear and disdain for everything Islamic. On May 17, this accusation bubbled up again as foreign ministers from the Organization of the Islamic Conference called Islamophobia ``the worst form of terrorism.`` These ministers also warned, according to the Arab News, that this form of discrimination would cause millions of Muslims in Western countries, ``many of whom were already underprivileged,`` to be ``further alienated.``
In America, perhaps the most conspicuous organization to persistently accuse opponents of Islamophobia is the Council of American Islamic Relations. CAIR has taken up the legal case of the ``Flying Imams,`` the six individuals who were pulled from a US Airways flight in Minneapolis this past November after engaging in suspicious behavior before takeoff. Not long ago, CAIR filed a ``John Doe`` lawsuit that would have made passengers liable for ``malicious`` complaints about suspicious Muslim passengers.
In an interview at the time, CAIR spokesman Nihad Awad accused Rep. Peter King (R., N.Y.) of being an ``extremist`` who ``encourages Islamophobia`` for pointing out what most people would think is obvious, that such a lawsuit would have a chilling effect on passengers who witnessed alarming activity and wished to report it. We can only assume that Mr. Awad believes flyers should passively remain in a state of fear as they travel and submissively risk their lives. In this case, Congress is acting appropriately and considering passing a law sponsored by Mr. King that would grant passengers immunity from such lawsuits.
It may seem bizarre, but Islamic reformers are not immune to the charge of ``Islamophobia`` either. For 20 years, I have preached a reformed interpretation of Islam that teaches peace and respects human rights. I have consistently spoken out -- with dozens of other Muslim and Arab reformers -- against the mistreatment of women, gays and religious minorities in the Islamic world. We have pointed out the violent teachings of Salafism and the imperative of Westerners to protect themselves against it.
Yet according to CAIR`s Michigan spokeswoman, Zeinab Chami, I am ``the latest weapon in the Islamophobe arsenal.`` If standing against the violent edicts of Shariah law is ``Islamophobic,`` then I will treat her accusation as a badge of honor.
Muslims must ask what prompts this ``phobia`` in the first place. When we in the West examine the worldwide atrocities perpetrated daily in the name of Islam, it is vital to question if we -- Muslims -- should lay the blame on others for Islamophobia or if we should first look hard at ourselves.
According to a recent Pew Global Attitudes survey, ``younger Muslims in the U.S. are much more likely than older Muslim Americans to say that suicide bombing in the defense of Islam can be at least sometimes justified.`` About one out of every four American Muslims under 30 think suicide bombing in defense of Islam is justified in at least some circumstances. Twenty-eight percent believe that Muslims did not carry out the 9/11 attacks and 32% declined to answer that question.
While the survey has been represented in the media as proof of moderation among American Muslims, the actual results should yield the opposite conclusion. If, as the Pew study estimates, there are 2.35 million Muslims in America, that means there are a substantial number of people in the U.S. who think suicide bombing is sometimes justified. Similarly, if 5% of American Muslims support al Qaeda, that`s more than 100,000 people.
To bring an end to Islamophobia, we must employ a holistic approach that treats the core of the disease. It will not suffice to merely suppress the symptoms. It is imperative to adopt new Islamic teachings that do not allow killing apostates (Redda Law). Islamic authorities must provide mainstream Islamic books that forbid polygamy and beating women. Accepted Islamic doctrine should take a strong stand against slavery and the raping of female war prisoners, as happens in Darfur under the explicit canons of Shariah (``Ma Malakat Aimanikum``). Muslims should teach, everywhere and universally, that a woman`s testimony in court counts as much as a man`s, that women should not be punished if they marry whom they please or dress as they wish.
We Muslims should publicly show our strong disapproval for the growing number of attacks by Muslims against other faiths and against other Muslims. Let us not even dwell on 9/11, Madrid, London, Bali and countless other scenes of carnage. It has been estimated that of the two million refugees fleeing Islamic terror in Iraq, 40% are Christian, and many of them seek a haven in Lebanon, where the Christian population itself has declined by 60%. Even in Turkey, Islamists recently found it necessary to slit the throats of three Christians for publishing Bibles.
Of course, Islamist attacks are not limited to Christians and Jews. Why do we hear no Muslim condemnation of the ongoing slaughter of Buddhists in Thailand by Islamic groups? Why was there silence over the Mumbai train bombings which took the lives of over 200 Hindus in 2006? We must not forget that innocent Muslims, too, are suffering. Indeed, the most common murderers of Muslims are, and have always been, other Muslims. Where is the Muslim outcry over the Sunni-Shiite violence in Iraq?
Islamophobia could end when masses of Muslims demonstrate in the streets against videos displaying innocent people being beheaded with the same vigor we employ against airlines, Israel and cartoons of Muhammad. It might cease when Muslims unambiguously and publicly insist that Shariah law should have no binding legal status in free, democratic societies.
It is well past time that Muslims cease using the charge of ``Islamophobia`` as a tool to intimidate and blackmail those who speak up against suspicious passengers and against those who rightly criticize current Islamic practices and preachings. Instead, Muslims must engage in honest and humble introspection. Muslims should -- must -- develop strategies to rescue our religion by combating the tyranny of Salafi Islam and its dreadful consequences. Among more important outcomes, this will also put an end to so-called Islamophobia.
Dr. Hamid, a onetime member of Jemaah Islamiya, an Islamist terrorist group, is a medical doctor and Muslim reformer living in the West.
How to End `Islamophobia`
By TAWFIK HAMID
May 25, 2007; Page A15
WSJ
Islamic organizations regularly accuse non-Muslims of ``Islamophobia,`` a fear and disdain for everything Islamic. On May 17, this accusation bubbled up again as foreign ministers from the Organization of the Islamic Conference called Islamophobia ``the worst form of terrorism.`` These ministers also warned, according to the Arab News, that this form of discrimination would cause millions of Muslims in Western countries, ``many of whom were already underprivileged,`` to be ``further alienated.``
In America, perhaps the most conspicuous organization to persistently accuse opponents of Islamophobia is the Council of American Islamic Relations. CAIR has taken up the legal case of the ``Flying Imams,`` the six individuals who were pulled from a US Airways flight in Minneapolis this past November after engaging in suspicious behavior before takeoff. Not long ago, CAIR filed a ``John Doe`` lawsuit that would have made passengers liable for ``malicious`` complaints about suspicious Muslim passengers.
In an interview at the time, CAIR spokesman Nihad Awad accused Rep. Peter King (R., N.Y.) of being an ``extremist`` who ``encourages Islamophobia`` for pointing out what most people would think is obvious, that such a lawsuit would have a chilling effect on passengers who witnessed alarming activity and wished to report it. We can only assume that Mr. Awad believes flyers should passively remain in a state of fear as they travel and submissively risk their lives. In this case, Congress is acting appropriately and considering passing a law sponsored by Mr. King that would grant passengers immunity from such lawsuits.
It may seem bizarre, but Islamic reformers are not immune to the charge of ``Islamophobia`` either. For 20 years, I have preached a reformed interpretation of Islam that teaches peace and respects human rights. I have consistently spoken out -- with dozens of other Muslim and Arab reformers -- against the mistreatment of women, gays and religious minorities in the Islamic world. We have pointed out the violent teachings of Salafism and the imperative of Westerners to protect themselves against it.
Yet according to CAIR`s Michigan spokeswoman, Zeinab Chami, I am ``the latest weapon in the Islamophobe arsenal.`` If standing against the violent edicts of Shariah law is ``Islamophobic,`` then I will treat her accusation as a badge of honor.
Muslims must ask what prompts this ``phobia`` in the first place. When we in the West examine the worldwide atrocities perpetrated daily in the name of Islam, it is vital to question if we -- Muslims -- should lay the blame on others for Islamophobia or if we should first look hard at ourselves.
According to a recent Pew Global Attitudes survey, ``younger Muslims in the U.S. are much more likely than older Muslim Americans to say that suicide bombing in the defense of Islam can be at least sometimes justified.`` About one out of every four American Muslims under 30 think suicide bombing in defense of Islam is justified in at least some circumstances. Twenty-eight percent believe that Muslims did not carry out the 9/11 attacks and 32% declined to answer that question.
While the survey has been represented in the media as proof of moderation among American Muslims, the actual results should yield the opposite conclusion. If, as the Pew study estimates, there are 2.35 million Muslims in America, that means there are a substantial number of people in the U.S. who think suicide bombing is sometimes justified. Similarly, if 5% of American Muslims support al Qaeda, that`s more than 100,000 people.
To bring an end to Islamophobia, we must employ a holistic approach that treats the core of the disease. It will not suffice to merely suppress the symptoms. It is imperative to adopt new Islamic teachings that do not allow killing apostates (Redda Law). Islamic authorities must provide mainstream Islamic books that forbid polygamy and beating women. Accepted Islamic doctrine should take a strong stand against slavery and the raping of female war prisoners, as happens in Darfur under the explicit canons of Shariah (``Ma Malakat Aimanikum``). Muslims should teach, everywhere and universally, that a woman`s testimony in court counts as much as a man`s, that women should not be punished if they marry whom they please or dress as they wish.
We Muslims should publicly show our strong disapproval for the growing number of attacks by Muslims against other faiths and against other Muslims. Let us not even dwell on 9/11, Madrid, London, Bali and countless other scenes of carnage. It has been estimated that of the two million refugees fleeing Islamic terror in Iraq, 40% are Christian, and many of them seek a haven in Lebanon, where the Christian population itself has declined by 60%. Even in Turkey, Islamists recently found it necessary to slit the throats of three Christians for publishing Bibles.
Of course, Islamist attacks are not limited to Christians and Jews. Why do we hear no Muslim condemnation of the ongoing slaughter of Buddhists in Thailand by Islamic groups? Why was there silence over the Mumbai train bombings which took the lives of over 200 Hindus in 2006? We must not forget that innocent Muslims, too, are suffering. Indeed, the most common murderers of Muslims are, and have always been, other Muslims. Where is the Muslim outcry over the Sunni-Shiite violence in Iraq?
Islamophobia could end when masses of Muslims demonstrate in the streets against videos displaying innocent people being beheaded with the same vigor we employ against airlines, Israel and cartoons of Muhammad. It might cease when Muslims unambiguously and publicly insist that Shariah law should have no binding legal status in free, democratic societies.
It is well past time that Muslims cease using the charge of ``Islamophobia`` as a tool to intimidate and blackmail those who speak up against suspicious passengers and against those who rightly criticize current Islamic practices and preachings. Instead, Muslims must engage in honest and humble introspection. Muslims should -- must -- develop strategies to rescue our religion by combating the tyranny of Salafi Islam and its dreadful consequences. Among more important outcomes, this will also put an end to so-called Islamophobia.
Dr. Hamid, a onetime member of Jemaah Islamiya, an Islamist terrorist group, is a medical doctor and Muslim reformer living in the West.
#382 Posted by haji004 on May 21, 2007 1:56:42 am
Re: # 375
Ahmadmadni...Nizam was the owner of a state...and technically Feudal...Nehru/Patel abolished states as well...Go to Rajisthan/Rajputana to check it out where the Rajput States used to be but there isn`t any now...and none of the Rajput Rajas was Muslim...Why don`t you understand??
Ahmad Hayat
Ahmadmadni...Nizam was the owner of a state...and technically Feudal...Nehru/Patel abolished states as well...Go to Rajisthan/Rajputana to check it out where the Rajput States used to be but there isn`t any now...and none of the Rajput Rajas was Muslim...Why don`t you understand??
Ahmad Hayat
#381 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 20, 2007 6:07:56 pm
Re: # 379
I have stopped all mind altering drugs. No manufacured drugs only natural herbs and drinking always boiled water.( water has too much contamination as Wapada engineers do not know how build water pipeline and how not to mix bad waters.) For drinking water City of Karachi should start plant to produce pure water from sea and sale bottled gallons for 20 rs/ galon.I have left all doctors who just want money. Lawyers are bad but doctors are worst they take away manoey and kill you also. They are sweet talking and just sales man even dentist are worst sales man they will take away your gold tooth and you will thank them. Modern medical is just dirty business to make money, if some body get help is accidental only.
I have stopped all mind altering drugs. No manufacured drugs only natural herbs and drinking always boiled water.( water has too much contamination as Wapada engineers do not know how build water pipeline and how not to mix bad waters.) For drinking water City of Karachi should start plant to produce pure water from sea and sale bottled gallons for 20 rs/ galon.I have left all doctors who just want money. Lawyers are bad but doctors are worst they take away manoey and kill you also. They are sweet talking and just sales man even dentist are worst sales man they will take away your gold tooth and you will thank them. Modern medical is just dirty business to make money, if some body get help is accidental only.
#380 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 20, 2007 5:51:38 pm
Re: # 378 Mr Haji aka A.Hayat I will depart as you suggested so have your thinking not troubled by me.
I want to bring to everybody`s notice Nizam was not little feudal Zamindar with 50,000 acres of land, he was emperor or King of State of Hyderbad and he was always referred as HH(His Highness NIZAM ASAFSHAH similar to His Imperisl Majesty Aryameher ( King of Aryans) Reza Pahalavi .
I have to agree with your statement my english is not good as I think in urdu then translate in english but still better than American ( I listen to BBC Radio) and I get confused with spellings.This company should provide spelling tool. Also due to site problem I can not focus /Karitoconus I can not go on checking and some times mental deliquencies of mind make problems. But english is my weak point. I am for english as regular used language as I have heard in america , usa and england even Peons and barbers speak phad phad english.
But you should be happy I will quit contributing to your article.
I wish you good luck sincerely and excuse me for mental troubles amd will depart in peace and without any malice. I will not contribute to under age peoples contribution and no comments. It is said no comment is best comment. I will spend time have fun with young cats, attach shrimp/dried to string and they jump to catch and when they will give prize of dried shrimp morsels. I am out of this qurrelling place.
I want to bring to everybody`s notice Nizam was not little feudal Zamindar with 50,000 acres of land, he was emperor or King of State of Hyderbad and he was always referred as HH(His Highness NIZAM ASAFSHAH similar to His Imperisl Majesty Aryameher ( King of Aryans) Reza Pahalavi .
I have to agree with your statement my english is not good as I think in urdu then translate in english but still better than American ( I listen to BBC Radio) and I get confused with spellings.This company should provide spelling tool. Also due to site problem I can not focus /Karitoconus I can not go on checking and some times mental deliquencies of mind make problems. But english is my weak point. I am for english as regular used language as I have heard in america , usa and england even Peons and barbers speak phad phad english.
But you should be happy I will quit contributing to your article.
I wish you good luck sincerely and excuse me for mental troubles amd will depart in peace and without any malice. I will not contribute to under age peoples contribution and no comments. It is said no comment is best comment. I will spend time have fun with young cats, attach shrimp/dried to string and they jump to catch and when they will give prize of dried shrimp morsels. I am out of this qurrelling place.
#379 Posted by mohar11 on May 20, 2007 8:34:59 am
Re: # 375
[...I had depression...]
you live in pakiland, what else do you think would happen?... get out of there old dude - spend your last days somewhere peaceful...
[...I had depression...]
you live in pakiland, what else do you think would happen?... get out of there old dude - spend your last days somewhere peaceful...
#378 Posted by haji004 on May 20, 2007 8:09:40 am
Re: # 375
Ahmadmadni...your post contains no disrespect to anybody neither is it blasphemous by any stretch of imagination...but...let me assure you that you`d be promptly banned from chowk if one of the chowk organisers saw this deranged...degenrated post of yours...
Man you are sick...pity us...listen to your psychologist...take whatever he says...stop vomiting here on FrontPage...
Ahmad
Ahmadmadni...your post contains no disrespect to anybody neither is it blasphemous by any stretch of imagination...but...let me assure you that you`d be promptly banned from chowk if one of the chowk organisers saw this deranged...degenrated post of yours...
Man you are sick...pity us...listen to your psychologist...take whatever he says...stop vomiting here on FrontPage...
Ahmad
#377 Posted by haji004 on May 20, 2007 8:05:30 am
Re: # 373
Ahmadmadni...You really haven`t understood what I have written...
Nehru abolished Feudal Rule from Rajisthan/Rajputana as well...those were totally non-muslim Feudal Lords...Non-Muslim Feudal lords outnumbered Muslim Feudals in post-partition India...and Nehru/Patel confiscated their lands regardless of their religion...
I am not going to read YLH`s articles becasue being urdu-speaking he does not make right assumptions regarding the political scenario of Pakistan and hence his analysis in based on fallacies...I have browsed through his sham attempt and its rubbish...I have given a detailed comment on his article in these interacts...
your comments on Nizam and his estates make me believe in the claims of rest of interactors that you seriously are suffering from some mental disorder or are delusional from time to time at least...Really man you are on some strong shit...I just ignore your commentary regarding Nizam and his estates...Furthermore, I would recommend you to proof-read whatever you have written at least one...This certainly ain`t english...
Ahmad Hayat
Ahmadmadni...You really haven`t understood what I have written...
Nehru abolished Feudal Rule from Rajisthan/Rajputana as well...those were totally non-muslim Feudal Lords...Non-Muslim Feudal lords outnumbered Muslim Feudals in post-partition India...and Nehru/Patel confiscated their lands regardless of their religion...
I am not going to read YLH`s articles becasue being urdu-speaking he does not make right assumptions regarding the political scenario of Pakistan and hence his analysis in based on fallacies...I have browsed through his sham attempt and its rubbish...I have given a detailed comment on his article in these interacts...
your comments on Nizam and his estates make me believe in the claims of rest of interactors that you seriously are suffering from some mental disorder or are delusional from time to time at least...Really man you are on some strong shit...I just ignore your commentary regarding Nizam and his estates...Furthermore, I would recommend you to proof-read whatever you have written at least one...This certainly ain`t english...
Ahmad Hayat
#376 Posted by Chennai on May 20, 2007 2:25:12 am
#375 by ahmedmadani :
Allright, rush to the closest Hakim and get the treatment going...........Follow the medication strictly till you are cured.........Considering your illness you may be deluded into thinking just that (I AM OK) ...........No..Wait till you get three different Hakim opinions that you allright...............Then start interacting on Chowk...............Until then, take care.....
Allright, rush to the closest Hakim and get the treatment going...........Follow the medication strictly till you are cured.........Considering your illness you may be deluded into thinking just that (I AM OK) ...........No..Wait till you get three different Hakim opinions that you allright...............Then start interacting on Chowk...............Until then, take care.....
#375 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 19, 2007 10:56:22 pm
Re: # 374
I always said Indians can be educated but not cultured. If indian parents whip little boys and girls and save them manner they can do better in world. Indians are overeducated and uncultured and disrespecting elders and parents and do not know how to respect elders like yes sir, no sir thanks etc. It all useless indian generation coming up devoid of culture and immitating all indian stupid moves and people dancing and singing on roads, mindless animals roaming streets like mad animals on national highways and city streets and beggers.
I had dis agreement with my theropist and Psycatrist and stopped all medicines myself as medicines are useless they do not help but theropy helps but i do not believe in modern medicines which made by chemical and mechanical process mixing dead and deadly chemicals and cooking them under high pressures and high temp and putting tablet coverd by gelatin e stuff made from boiling pigs bones. It just way to cut poor peoples pocket. I have lost faith in them specially half read and learned doctors they are mind butures as they feed pills to make money.
I do not take medicines and totally not chemical dependent.
What hallucinations you talk about, I had depression but never hallucination and other stuff. Now I feel saved as doctors medicine made me sick, raskals do not want to cure as then they loose money. I feel modern medicines are worst as they have chemicals but i believe in hurbs.
I always said Indians can be educated but not cultured. If indian parents whip little boys and girls and save them manner they can do better in world. Indians are overeducated and uncultured and disrespecting elders and parents and do not know how to respect elders like yes sir, no sir thanks etc. It all useless indian generation coming up devoid of culture and immitating all indian stupid moves and people dancing and singing on roads, mindless animals roaming streets like mad animals on national highways and city streets and beggers.
I had dis agreement with my theropist and Psycatrist and stopped all medicines myself as medicines are useless they do not help but theropy helps but i do not believe in modern medicines which made by chemical and mechanical process mixing dead and deadly chemicals and cooking them under high pressures and high temp and putting tablet coverd by gelatin e stuff made from boiling pigs bones. It just way to cut poor peoples pocket. I have lost faith in them specially half read and learned doctors they are mind butures as they feed pills to make money.
I do not take medicines and totally not chemical dependent.
What hallucinations you talk about, I had depression but never hallucination and other stuff. Now I feel saved as doctors medicine made me sick, raskals do not want to cure as then they loose money. I feel modern medicines are worst as they have chemicals but i believe in hurbs.
#374 Posted by Chennai on May 19, 2007 10:40:20 pm
#373 by ahmedmadani
Ahmedmadani Mian,
You must not skip talking your medicines; it is not only bad for you but also for other Chowkies because they are then subjected to your wild hallucinations.......
Go on, pop those pills in...............
Ahmedmadani Mian,
You must not skip talking your medicines; it is not only bad for you but also for other Chowkies because they are then subjected to your wild hallucinations.......
Go on, pop those pills in...............
#373 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 19, 2007 8:25:24 pm
Re: # 372
Ahmad Hayat... sir this is your first attempt and you have written very well and will like you to know that.
Also you have self constrainst and active participation in in exchanges. Other thing you can not be provoked as many tried calling you bad names. You have called me retard in just in writing emotion but you never lost your temper or civilised behaviour. Some senior writer who otherwise profound like YLH many times loose mental balance use bad words and loose temper. But I have feeling you are from good decent family who are getting less and less as the foreign cultural invasion is on by east and south side. Your are engineer but decent is surprise as most engineer I have come across are dambis and Paisachor of highest degree decency is not their virtue. I have taught engineer tution but many did not pay me fully and went to usa. They can send money but they do not so had bad opinion about engineers. But as being engineer also you seems nice person.
You have wrong ideas but that is not important we are all wrong about most things.
Like I do not like your good opinion about Nehru/Patel. Do you know this leaders as soon as Mahatma and Jinnah was dead invaded state of Nizam and treated HH Nizam Asafshah bad and he died like ordinary indian finally. All his wealth and lands was taken by poor indians under banner of end of fudal system. After death of great Mugha Amagir 1707 to next 2.5 century his empire was extinguished in fewdays and nizam lost all money, he was one richest man of world. He made mistake by not joining pakistan immediately , if he had joined nehru would not have dared to go in Bangla desh as Nizam provience of Pakistan would have been dagger at heart of India. GOP should try to get back Nizam state as lots good tech firms and crops and river water and coast can be made naval stations along eastern side of india and bangla desh, nizan province of pakistan and Pakistan will keep indian tdowm militarily. I have heard Patel had offered Kashmir for hyderbad but Quaid said no as he felt Nizam can be independent and Kashmir can be annexed democratically.
Also you understand now india and pakistan differet places they can not meet. You can study articles written by YLH.
Good writing and rivetting presentation though most writing is wrong and bit liberal little anti patriotic also.
Good luck
Ahmad Hayat... sir this is your first attempt and you have written very well and will like you to know that.
Also you have self constrainst and active participation in in exchanges. Other thing you can not be provoked as many tried calling you bad names. You have called me retard in just in writing emotion but you never lost your temper or civilised behaviour. Some senior writer who otherwise profound like YLH many times loose mental balance use bad words and loose temper. But I have feeling you are from good decent family who are getting less and less as the foreign cultural invasion is on by east and south side. Your are engineer but decent is surprise as most engineer I have come across are dambis and Paisachor of highest degree decency is not their virtue. I have taught engineer tution but many did not pay me fully and went to usa. They can send money but they do not so had bad opinion about engineers. But as being engineer also you seems nice person.
You have wrong ideas but that is not important we are all wrong about most things.
Like I do not like your good opinion about Nehru/Patel. Do you know this leaders as soon as Mahatma and Jinnah was dead invaded state of Nizam and treated HH Nizam Asafshah bad and he died like ordinary indian finally. All his wealth and lands was taken by poor indians under banner of end of fudal system. After death of great Mugha Amagir 1707 to next 2.5 century his empire was extinguished in fewdays and nizam lost all money, he was one richest man of world. He made mistake by not joining pakistan immediately , if he had joined nehru would not have dared to go in Bangla desh as Nizam provience of Pakistan would have been dagger at heart of India. GOP should try to get back Nizam state as lots good tech firms and crops and river water and coast can be made naval stations along eastern side of india and bangla desh, nizan province of pakistan and Pakistan will keep indian tdowm militarily. I have heard Patel had offered Kashmir for hyderbad but Quaid said no as he felt Nizam can be independent and Kashmir can be annexed democratically.
Also you understand now india and pakistan differet places they can not meet. You can study articles written by YLH.
Good writing and rivetting presentation though most writing is wrong and bit liberal little anti patriotic also.
Good luck
#372 Posted by okhla99 on May 19, 2007 6:24:15 am
Haramimau,
It is interesting to see an insignificant insect like you trying to get Islam ``banned`` and Christianity eliminated. The reasons you cite are related to ``equality`` & ``quotas``.
However, Haramimau, you want Hinduism to survive because you yourself claim to be more equal than other Hindus who must stand ``one respectful foot away`` when you roam half-naked near the temples. The quota system amongst the Hindus is not visible to you.
Let me remind you of your own words ..
<<< Harimau skewers the lower castes like you guys might skewer meat for sheesh-kebabs.
Harimau walks tall, knowing full well that just by birth alone he is superior to 95% of Indians and 100% of non-Indians. That kind of self-confidence is not easy to come by.
Harimau pities mlecchas like you who have the misfortune to be born into a strange cult and who can have no exit strategy short of death. In fact, he pities mlecchas more than he pities the lower castes who at least have reservations going for them.
When I go to a roadside temple near my home for a special puja, I deliberately wear a dhoti but no upper garments. You should see what happens: the sight of the sacred thread around my torso parts the crowd who stand a respectful foot away from me so that I won`t be defiled by their touch. This in the city of Chennai after 75 years of anti-Brahmin propaganda. Hey, I like that.
The Communist minister Chakraborty in West Bengal, defending his attendance at a religious ceremony, said that he is seen as a brahmin first, a Bengali next and a Communist last.
Nope, we don`t squirm. We walk with our heads held high. Squirming is for low-lifes, such as worms on a hook. >>>
Sure, Haramimau, the only religion that needs to survive is your own with its `` in-built system of fair-play and equality``!!!
You are a sicko retard if you believe that.
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