Qasim Mirza May 15, 2007
#7 Posted by samar1982 on May 15, 2007 6:56:25 pm
Re: # 1, HisExcellency,
`The battle for Pakistan must begin with Karachi. The interests of Karachites and especially Mohajirs can be better served by a party that believes in tolerance, ethnic pluralism, rule of law and nonviolence. The MQM is not that party.`
And building a party like that should begin with Jamia Fafsa?
Samar
`The battle for Pakistan must begin with Karachi. The interests of Karachites and especially Mohajirs can be better served by a party that believes in tolerance, ethnic pluralism, rule of law and nonviolence. The MQM is not that party.`
And building a party like that should begin with Jamia Fafsa?
Samar
#6 Posted by HisExcellency on May 15, 2007 1:10:40 pm
re: #3 Naqshbandi
After what we saw on May 12, the Islamists look like angels in comparison with fascist Muhajirs. MMA has greater ideological differences with PPP than MQM has with PPP. Yet it has never attempted to settle its differences with the gun during the last 5 years.
I am no fan of MMA, but it has proved to be more responsible than MQM in power.
After what we saw on May 12, the Islamists look like angels in comparison with fascist Muhajirs. MMA has greater ideological differences with PPP than MQM has with PPP. Yet it has never attempted to settle its differences with the gun during the last 5 years.
I am no fan of MMA, but it has proved to be more responsible than MQM in power.
#5 Posted by HisExcellency on May 15, 2007 1:03:55 pm
re: rf786
{{Bombs explode in Peshawar, Charsadda, Dir but there is no cry for change of leadership. Why?}}
Because these attacks were orchestrated by Wana militants, not by the govt. These were terrorist attacks against govt functionaries as well as civilians, in response to the military operation in Waziristan.
The Karachi attacks on the other hand, were orchestrated by the ruling party against its political opponents. There was no justifiable reason for these attacks because taking out political rallies is not a crime.
That`s a big difference.
{{Bombs explode in Peshawar, Charsadda, Dir but there is no cry for change of leadership. Why?}}
Because these attacks were orchestrated by Wana militants, not by the govt. These were terrorist attacks against govt functionaries as well as civilians, in response to the military operation in Waziristan.
The Karachi attacks on the other hand, were orchestrated by the ruling party against its political opponents. There was no justifiable reason for these attacks because taking out political rallies is not a crime.
That`s a big difference.
#4 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 15, 2007 12:54:17 pm
and shia will be persecuted too if the islamist dogs come into power
#3 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 15, 2007 12:53:13 pm
Though i don`t like musharraf the dictator and would like real democracy back in pakistan the danger is that if he is toppled then the islamists will take power and that will spell the end of traditional sunni sufi islam. shrines will be destroyed and people will be brainwashed and forced to become wahabis. so unless we can be sure that the wahabis/tablighi/jamat e islami/mardoodites will not come into power it is better for mushy to stay. he may be seculari and a kemalist and power hungry but at least sunni islam is not in danger. if the wahabray come into power within a generation most paki youngsters will become atheists. this has happened in iran and it will happen in pakistan.
God save Islam from the Islamists!
amin.
Ya Rasool Allah madad!
God save Islam from the Islamists!
amin.
Ya Rasool Allah madad!
#2 Posted by rf786 on May 15, 2007 12:20:55 pm
Re: # 1
Bombs explode in Peshawar, Charsadda, Dir but there is no cry for change of leadership, why? Cause its ok to condemn Mqm and wrong to criticize right wing extremists.
What distinguishes Karachi from rest of the country? Not much except for the fact that Karachi, Sindh has yet to suffer the same fate as rest of the country ie religious bigotry. Sindh still holds on to its religious pluralism and secular govt. There is no Deobandi/Wahabi school of thought trying to impose its ideals on rest of the population as in Frontier, there is no Lal Masjid fundo running amock dictating terms to a pliant provinical and federal govt. Yes, Sindh has its share of meglomaniacs, idiots who have failed to understand real meaning of liberal politics and chose to respond in a a manner most unbecoming. But then again, which province, religious entity or federal functionary can claim to be pure or innocent, none.
Battle for Pakistan should start from Raiwind move to Peshawar, Charsadda, Wazirastan, Dir, Islamabad, Lahore, Gujrat, Faislabad, Gujranwalla, Quetta, Loralai, Hyderabad, Larkana and Karachi.
Its about time the religous bigots were taught a lesson of religious pluralism, tolerance, harmony and most importantly to stay out of govt. This may need words and at times bullets when necessary.
Bombs explode in Peshawar, Charsadda, Dir but there is no cry for change of leadership, why? Cause its ok to condemn Mqm and wrong to criticize right wing extremists.
What distinguishes Karachi from rest of the country? Not much except for the fact that Karachi, Sindh has yet to suffer the same fate as rest of the country ie religious bigotry. Sindh still holds on to its religious pluralism and secular govt. There is no Deobandi/Wahabi school of thought trying to impose its ideals on rest of the population as in Frontier, there is no Lal Masjid fundo running amock dictating terms to a pliant provinical and federal govt. Yes, Sindh has its share of meglomaniacs, idiots who have failed to understand real meaning of liberal politics and chose to respond in a a manner most unbecoming. But then again, which province, religious entity or federal functionary can claim to be pure or innocent, none.
Battle for Pakistan should start from Raiwind move to Peshawar, Charsadda, Wazirastan, Dir, Islamabad, Lahore, Gujrat, Faislabad, Gujranwalla, Quetta, Loralai, Hyderabad, Larkana and Karachi.
Its about time the religous bigots were taught a lesson of religious pluralism, tolerance, harmony and most importantly to stay out of govt. This may need words and at times bullets when necessary.
#1 Posted by HisExcellency on May 15, 2007 11:04:20 am
During the last two months, we have witnessed a national movement in which lawyers from all the 4 provinces participated. We may have our little disagreements over the timing and necessity for such a movement. But we cannot deny the fact that this movement was aimed at the glorification of an institution, instead of an individual.
There have been rallies taken out in support of the CJP all over Pakistan. Without incident. Without violence.
Except ofcourse Karachi. Why is Karachi different? What distinguishes Karachi from rest of Pakistan is that it is the only city where a fascist party like the MQM is in power. This is the only city where ethnic hatred, violence and terrorist are glorified and orchestrated. This is the only city where divisive politics enjoys govt patronage, and national causes are sabotaged with official connivance.
The battle for Pakistan must begin with Karachi. The interests of Karachites and especially Mohajirs can be better served by a party that believes in tolerance, ethnic pluralism, rule of law and nonviolence. The MQM is not that party.
It is time that MQM be taught a great lesson in pluralism, right of dissent, democracy and rule of law.
How should this lesson be taught? By words if possible. By bullets if necessary.
There have been rallies taken out in support of the CJP all over Pakistan. Without incident. Without violence.
Except ofcourse Karachi. Why is Karachi different? What distinguishes Karachi from rest of Pakistan is that it is the only city where a fascist party like the MQM is in power. This is the only city where ethnic hatred, violence and terrorist are glorified and orchestrated. This is the only city where divisive politics enjoys govt patronage, and national causes are sabotaged with official connivance.
The battle for Pakistan must begin with Karachi. The interests of Karachites and especially Mohajirs can be better served by a party that believes in tolerance, ethnic pluralism, rule of law and nonviolence. The MQM is not that party.
It is time that MQM be taught a great lesson in pluralism, right of dissent, democracy and rule of law.
How should this lesson be taught? By words if possible. By bullets if necessary.
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