Month of the Gun

Re: # 102
Kaal,I agree that the people you mentined ``salim bro, hamidm2 sahib, zeemax, HP, rf786 `` are really intelligent people(I can guess that by looking at their posts).I will be a fool to doubt their intelligence.I was just expressing my opinion based on our expereinces in India.India suffers from same ills as Pakistan ,but somehow we managed survive because of 1)Strong institutions and 2)Few good people in postion of power.

Thats exactly what Pakistan needs-1)Strong institutions and 2)Few good people in postion of power(this is the MINIMUM requirement)


(Note:This is not a lecture/advice ..just a wish)

Anyway...good advice/wish(however simple and well known) is better than abuses.

Re: # 118

HP

(The army or even the state of Pakistan has no right to indiscriminately attack them. )

Nor does any individual or group of people reserve the right to violate state laws, attack state property, kill army personnel and give sanctaury to foreign terrorists. What u r doing is dancing to the popular pied pipers of this world that include Gen Hameed Gul and his pet poodle Imran Khan. Instead of deploring acts of terrorism by these fringe groups Imran Khan et el have castigated the govt simply because it upsets their local vote bank and plays on anti-western sentiment. Had Mr Khan been a man of integrity he would have condmend the suicide attacks on Pak army (Dargai), Interior Minister (Charsadda), Police officials (Peshawer) and numerous other acts of barbarism that includes beheadings video taped, kidnapping of Chinese engineers, killing of opponents etc etc. Everyday we hear of some new atrocity committed by these crazy fundos, yet it is sweeped under the carpet either under the label of being religious or anti-west, sheer hypocrisy.

ACLU is a wrong analogy simply because these people (wana) have never been treated as anything less nor have they been subjected to ethnic or religious discrimination, on the contrary they have been loyal subjects who were well rewarded during the Afghan jihad and have become accustomed to a fairly prosperous and militant lifestyle. What u forget, this Govt did try to reach some sort of amicable solution with the tribes, but money exchanged hands that led to this slippery slope. Iam not absolving the Govt of its duty to defend its citizens, but simply pointing out the obvious facts that tend to be ignored.

Imran Khan is a political opportnunist with no morals, this can be determined by his complete subservience to the religious right which gave him a drubbing back in 1997 when Masjid louspeakers were used to denounce his playboy lifestyle and jewish relations. Since then IMran Khan has recognized the power Maulvi holds on Pak politics and has chosen to live to fight another day, this is called political opportunism, like it or not.

Finally, HP u have empathy for the wana tribals but yet express no such human instincts for the mutarwas of Karachi/Hyderabad, nice very nice.

#117 by rf786

“Imran Khan has and continues to oppose the operation in Wana where he defends these murderers as freedom fighters and has never condemned or opposed the use of force by these gun-totting killers called taliban.”

I guess it is kind of hard for you to grasp the finer point here.

Just think about this: people living in Wana are Pakistani citizens and despite their political support of the worst of the worst Taliban, they still deserve a better deal. The army or even the state of Pakistan has no right to indiscriminately attack them.

Now this may be a little far fetched analogy but still somewhat pertinent to note that the ACLU fights to defend the right of sometime clearly racist and bigot groups in the US, in an attempt to defend the constitutional right of every group in the US.

I opposed any kind of Talbinization effort in Pakistan but I am NOT willing to cede to the army the right to decide who it should bomb and who it should not.

Before may 12th, I did not read all of Imran’s statement but whatever I read, appeared to show to me that he was not supporting the talibanism widespread in the tribal belt but Imran was challenging the government to not to mistreat Pakistani citizens without going thru the due course of law.

PS. I still like to see Imran`s statements supporting Taliban.

Re: # 115

{Imran Khan was the only national level politician who was vehemently against the military operation in FATA and had vociferously opposed it on every forum. This is why he is the second most popular after Fazl-Ur-Rehman in FATA even though he is not a Pushtoon, and which is why after the altaphi threats to him the tribal Jirga of the Khyber Agency has vowed to protect him with their own armed guard.}

Another case of verbal diarrhea, mental mastrubation that can only produce non-sensical garbage.

Abay Kammee zaath, since that is the only language u r used to,
U have only proved my point, Imran Khan has and continues to oppose the operation in Wana where he defends these murderers as freedom fighters and has never condemned or opposed the use of force by these gun-totting killers called taliban. So what is your point, chuttyia?

Re: # 114

{Muttarwites have 40% of Sindh jobs quota while being 25% of population. How much more do you want eh? 100%?}

Another bout of inflammatory verbal diarrhea. Chronic inflammatory verbal diarrhea can be caused by continued deception, profanities, wahabism and poonzaabi chauvinism.

#106 by rf786 re 105 faheem101

.... Had Imran Khan Niazi any shred of decency, courage and integrity he would have first looked into his own backyard where hundreds (700) of Pak soldiers have been killed by militants ...

I never cease to be amazed by the sheer ignorance of this clown ... or perhaps it is intentionally telling lies to other people who may not be completely aware of the details of Pakistan politics.

Imran Khan was the only national level politician who was vehemently against the military operation in FATA and had vociferously opposed it on every forum. This is why he is the second most popular after Fazl-Ur-Rehman in FATA even though he is not a Pushtoon, and which is why after the altaphi threats to him the tribal Jirga of the Khyber Agency has vowed to protect him with their own armed guard.

Sheesh ... of all the !@#$%^ !

#94 by Salim_Chauhan

...We are the products of the persecution we suffer from....

What nonsense !!! Muttarwites have 40% of Sindh jobs quota while being 25% of population. How much more do you want eh? 100%?

#111 cliftonbridge: Imran Khan blew their lid by openly challenging the implicit message of May 12 from mqm/musharraf that Pakistanis now need their permission to enter Karachi.

Nadeem,

This was a good read, thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Unlike Kulharee (who because I`ve been away from Chowk for so long, I can`t readily recognize between ironic and sincere), I see no reason to condole you being half-nonPunjabi, because I think it is great that you have not identified yourself as one or the other but both. Sometimes those born of parents with different ethnicities do tend to emphasize one over the other, but I don`t recall you ever doing that. At first I hesitated while reading ``Even though I am Punjabi on my father`s side`` because at first read it sounded apologetic, but you emphasize being part of a city more than an ethnic group, which is less than what quite a few others have done over the years.

Karachi was always the place I wished I could live. I loved Lahore, but I wished I could live in Karachi because it was on the coast, from what i heard, it sounded as if it was more cosmopolitan. Of course in Lahore, I saw more Punjabis than anyone else, but Karachi was different, to me as a child, more ethnicities. And I never thought that was a bad thing. I still don`t, years later. But of course I never knew what Karachi is all about, and I still don`t. I hope that Karachiites can get beyond the blame game and the name-calling and the violence, but first some of them have to get over their ethnic/religious chest-thumping (and/or hatred) as well as their fear and paranoia, and lust for power (the spoken part from Rasputin is running through my mind!!!) and from what I heard and read about a few weeks ago, that is going to be more than a herculean task. And I don`t think that is never going to be possible, but then sometimes I am overtaken by naive optimism. :)

how has he blown that cover? he got forbidden to visit karachi :) he is going to england not karachi for his political opportunism :)

#109 Imran Khan has demonstrated honesty and courage that the religious parties, BB and Nawaz Sharif have failed to do. The latter have merely tagged along with the CJP in his historic stand against military dictatorship - the former has taken the initiative when he blew the lid off mqm/musharraf`s claim that Karachi was their property and not a Pakistani city where Pakistanis dont need their bloody permission to enter.

Well, my discussion is not just focused on Imran Khan, its focused on what Imran Khan is trying to do and that includes trying to nab a criminal known as Altaf Hussain

Re: # 107

Never said that or implied such, therefore it is irrelevant from our discussion that is focused on a person called Imran Khan, the courageous (LOL).

And Altaf Hussain has been honest, and has no political oppurtunism?

*105faheem101

{The only thing I applaud Imran for is his courage to go and take on Altaf (a criminal) in the courts of England.}

Imran Khan Niazi is an opportunists with no political vision or maturity, courage u talk about is nothing but political opportunism.

Had Imran Khan Niazi any shred of decency, courage and integrity he would have first looked into his own backyard where hundreds (700) of Pak soldiers have been killed by militants who threaten every citizen of Pakistan. Not once has he condemned this carnage on the contrary he is defending these mass murderers as freedom fighters.

Courageous is the man who can be honest with himself and then others, Imran Khan has never been honest with himself or anyone else, his story is one of self aggrandizement thus the ONE man party.

Re: # 88

Salim Sahib, my beef is not with Musharraf. I dont know why you think I am against him, but I just stated the bitter reality, his regime is coming to an end now. Everyone hates him, its very apparent and denying that is just arrogance. And yes, I am no fan of BB, Nawaz or any other policitians you brought up. The only thing I applaud Imran for is his courage to go and take on Altaf (a criminal) in the courts of England.

And yes, I do disagree with you, or economy is still in the shitters and nothing close to being good. But unlike you I wont just play the blame game on a few select people. I blame everyone, including the present regime. They failed and its time for them to get out.