Nadeem F Paracha May 31, 2007
#33 Posted by cliftonbridge on June 1, 2007 3:17:56 pm
paratha does so have talent just not the thumka marring talent of Salman or the mullah shaggings of Imran yahoodi jins :)
zeemax yaar why spoil a nicely turned phrase? :(
zeemax yaar why spoil a nicely turned phrase? :(
#34 Posted by hamzaad on June 1, 2007 4:14:38 pm
Re: # 27
`I was a personal witness to all the terrible hue and cry he has so dramatically put down here in this silly little letter of his (I spend a lot of time with him and Junoon in the early `90s).`
So yet again paracha was a `personal` witness to some BS that he is unable to give direct account of.. and derails into some deep seated angst.
It must hurt to be talentless while being surrounded by celebrity and talent and still be irrelevant..
Also the logic of `if MQM is fascist, so is 70% of Karachi` is best answered by Stanley Milgram`s attempts to find something wrong in the German people by his social psycological experiments in the 60s.
`I was a personal witness to all the terrible hue and cry he has so dramatically put down here in this silly little letter of his (I spend a lot of time with him and Junoon in the early `90s).`
So yet again paracha was a `personal` witness to some BS that he is unable to give direct account of.. and derails into some deep seated angst.
It must hurt to be talentless while being surrounded by celebrity and talent and still be irrelevant..
Also the logic of `if MQM is fascist, so is 70% of Karachi` is best answered by Stanley Milgram`s attempts to find something wrong in the German people by his social psycological experiments in the 60s.
#35 Posted by zeemax on June 1, 2007 10:42:53 pm
# 27 (is it by the author?) goes to great lengths in obfuscation but does not provide a clue how Salman Ahmed`s letter is false ...
#36 Posted by shandana on June 1, 2007 10:43:51 pm
i thought this was nfp`s strongest article in a long time. and i fully agree that people need to supress their knee jerk emotional reactions to the mqm right now and try and figure out why it continues to exist and be popular, years after the people who `created` and `supported it` have lost a lost of their clout. do they have fasicst tendencies? hell yeah. are all people who vote for mqm fascist? hell no. take the ji, some argue that they are the most democratic party because their structure of leadership is based on democratic principles rather than a cult of personality, but the vision they pitch is far from democratic. demcratic, fascist, etc etc, these are all meaningless labels that distract us from the real root of the problem, that is the military-mullah-feudal complex. why dont we vent our ire at them as opposed to simply the mqm? najam sethis editorial in tft yesterday asked what would happen to pakistan if musharraf is removed, what would happen to karachi if the mqm is removed?
#37 Posted by HP on June 2, 2007 12:52:20 am
#36 by shandana
``what would happen to karachi if the mqm is removed? ``
First `removed` is not the right word to use when we know that the MQM certainly had and perhaps still has popular support in Karachi. The alternate in Karachi is even worst. MQm is not an idealogical party and it will compromise with any emerging situation. But the alternate, the religious groups such as the Alqaeda aka Jamaat Islami and the Nabi Ka Jhanda groups are the worst options.
A good option would be to use the state power to take the illegal arms from the MQM and make them contest elections in Karachi. They may not win the majority and that will force them to make alliances with the moderate parties working in Karachi.
#38 Posted by rf786 on June 2, 2007 1:42:46 am
Re: # 37
{A good option would be to use the state power to take the illegal arms from the MQM and make them contest elections in Karachi. They may not win the majority and that will force them to make alliances with the moderate parties working in Karachi}
Take away arms from MQM, ANP, PPI, JI, JUI, PPP, SUNNI, SHIA, TOM, DICK & HARRY.
Which world or planet do u come from? Pakistan is infested with arms, private, public, political, feudal, tribal u name it is armed to its teeth. Thanks to our jihad policies of Jia lul jhak, disarmament is not an option for any single entity cause it will spell their annihilation.
And, who are the ``moderate`` parties working in Karachi/Hyderabad? There are no moderates in Pakistan, those who potray themselves as moderates are doing it as a marketing gimmick to attract foreign assistance.Having said that, if PPP is your moderate then u better go check their feudal poarty offices, all of these leaders have their own private armies.
{A good option would be to use the state power to take the illegal arms from the MQM and make them contest elections in Karachi. They may not win the majority and that will force them to make alliances with the moderate parties working in Karachi}
Take away arms from MQM, ANP, PPI, JI, JUI, PPP, SUNNI, SHIA, TOM, DICK & HARRY.
Which world or planet do u come from? Pakistan is infested with arms, private, public, political, feudal, tribal u name it is armed to its teeth. Thanks to our jihad policies of Jia lul jhak, disarmament is not an option for any single entity cause it will spell their annihilation.
And, who are the ``moderate`` parties working in Karachi/Hyderabad? There are no moderates in Pakistan, those who potray themselves as moderates are doing it as a marketing gimmick to attract foreign assistance.Having said that, if PPP is your moderate then u better go check their feudal poarty offices, all of these leaders have their own private armies.
#40 Posted by zeemax on June 2, 2007 2:33:14 am
A good option would be to use the state power to take the illegal arms from the MQM and make them contest elections in Karachi.
State can`t disarm anyone. Best option would be to use non-state actors like the Binoria Jihadis to confront them with better firepower like RPGs etc. Even with small weapons on 12/5, they despatched about a dozen altaf bhayyas from Gurumander to the FB Area qabristan.
Further, to do the real nasty work, haqeeqees should be let loose on them once again with drills and sacks, to be rewarded by a few seats on the Sindh Assembly and perhaps some municipal body like the water & sewerage board.
State can`t disarm anyone. Best option would be to use non-state actors like the Binoria Jihadis to confront them with better firepower like RPGs etc. Even with small weapons on 12/5, they despatched about a dozen altaf bhayyas from Gurumander to the FB Area qabristan.
Further, to do the real nasty work, haqeeqees should be let loose on them once again with drills and sacks, to be rewarded by a few seats on the Sindh Assembly and perhaps some municipal body like the water & sewerage board.
#41 Posted by nb on June 2, 2007 3:30:21 am
NFP, this is a sad article. What I wanted to ask you, though, is what does malaangi mean?
#42 Posted by ABAM on June 2, 2007 4:19:11 am
The only reason i see MQM having a large following is because of their threats to people and the fact that membership of the MQM makes life so much easier in Karachi. Last summer, one of my friends had their car taken away because it was parked in a non-parking zone. All he did was call his cousin, who was a member of the MQM, he got his car without any problems the next day. Is this your loyal cult following of mohajjirs for the MQM ?
#43 Posted by KaalChakra on June 2, 2007 1:23:05 pm
ABAM
To be fair, all strong groups dish out large amounts of rewards and punishments.
To be fair, all strong groups dish out large amounts of rewards and punishments.
#44 Posted by hassauriwala on June 2, 2007 7:55:40 pm
>>>State can`t disarm anyone. Best option would be to use non-state actors like the Binoria Jihadis to confront them with better firepower like RPGs etc. Even with small weapons on 12/5, they despatched about a dozen altaf bhayyas from Gurumander to the FB Area qabristan.
Further, to do the real nasty work, haqeeqees should be let loose on them once again with drills and sacks, to be rewarded by a few seats on the Sindh Assembly and perhaps some municipal body like the water & sewerage board.
Is this person human? Apart from admitting the murder of 12 MQM workers on 12 May (hear, O feudal animal-haters of MQM), he is encouraging slaughter against an elected party in Karachi. His ip address should be banned from Chowk.com in my opinion.
Further, to do the real nasty work, haqeeqees should be let loose on them once again with drills and sacks, to be rewarded by a few seats on the Sindh Assembly and perhaps some municipal body like the water & sewerage board.
Is this person human? Apart from admitting the murder of 12 MQM workers on 12 May (hear, O feudal animal-haters of MQM), he is encouraging slaughter against an elected party in Karachi. His ip address should be banned from Chowk.com in my opinion.
#45 Posted by ahmedmadani on June 2, 2007 9:15:17 pm
Due partisan writing by writers they are trying to barinwash against MQM.
There were little here and there some problems in PR but MQM as usual will master all problems and will be dominant player as usual. It was good by Sindh/ punjab to stop entering Karachi, big Khan and making troubles. Let us hope English judge thrashes Imaran Khan for bringing trivial law suits against MQM Chief and is fined.
There were little here and there some problems in PR but MQM as usual will master all problems and will be dominant player as usual. It was good by Sindh/ punjab to stop entering Karachi, big Khan and making troubles. Let us hope English judge thrashes Imaran Khan for bringing trivial law suits against MQM Chief and is fined.
#47 Posted by HP on June 2, 2007 11:50:57 pm
#38 by rf786
``Take away arms from MQM, ANP, PPI, JI, JUI, PPP, SUNNI, SHIA, TOM, DICK & HARRY. ``
Yeah sure. But none of them have used arms so blatantly as the MQM did. So MQM should be disarmed first. All other groups in Karachi don`t have the majority or the Armed worker base as large as MQM.
Apropos post #37, I would like to make one change here. I think Nabi ka Jhanda party or Shah Ahmed Noorani mian Meerut wala`s party is a much better choice over the khandani goonda party MQM or the chooriwala from Agra`s party.
``Take away arms from MQM, ANP, PPI, JI, JUI, PPP, SUNNI, SHIA, TOM, DICK & HARRY. ``
Yeah sure. But none of them have used arms so blatantly as the MQM did. So MQM should be disarmed first. All other groups in Karachi don`t have the majority or the Armed worker base as large as MQM.
Apropos post #37, I would like to make one change here. I think Nabi ka Jhanda party or Shah Ahmed Noorani mian Meerut wala`s party is a much better choice over the khandani goonda party MQM or the chooriwala from Agra`s party.
#48 Posted by zeemax on June 2, 2007 11:52:21 pm
#44 by hassauriwala,
Mr. hathoriwaley, I`m not encouraging slaughter, I am encouraging armed confrontation. And may the better party win in this game. Do you see the difference?
After getting a few Jihadi RPGs up their behinds, altaf bhayyas will say ``Saaley ... ab key aa`` :)
Mr. hathoriwaley, I`m not encouraging slaughter, I am encouraging armed confrontation. And may the better party win in this game. Do you see the difference?
After getting a few Jihadi RPGs up their behinds, altaf bhayyas will say ``Saaley ... ab key aa`` :)
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