Eyewitness: Karachi, May 12, 2007
Beena Sarwar May 30, 2007
#95 Posted by safdar_pathan on July 14, 2007 2:39:34 am
mai iak anparh sa adni hoon mai to bas yahi kahoon ga kai ye log jo mqm ki himayat kar rahai hai ye to bohat chottti cheeze hain agar allah bhi kahai kai mqm 12 may kai wakia mai malawis nahi to mai nahi manoo ga kio kai mai nai apni ankhaoon sai mqm ki dahshat gardi dakhi hai.or un logoon kai lia jo mqm ki wakalat kar rahai hain mai ye dua daita hoon ki un kai piyaray bhi kabhi isis tarha sarkoon par marai jain. tab un ko pata chaly ga
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#94 Posted by HasanMahmood on June 11, 2007 2:02:08 pm
This shows what Beena Ji really is. Just another pro wanting BB to rule the poor and loot Pakistan. Beena Ji if you are a journalist write about the Surrey Palace.
What a fake...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beena-issues/message/825
She is nothing but a PPP chamaar....
What a fake...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beena-issues/message/825
She is nothing but a PPP chamaar....
#93 Posted by HasanMahmood on June 11, 2007 1:50:29 pm
Beena Ji, before you write articles without any proofs just because the tide has turned, stop and ask yourself ``do you call yourself a journalist or a prostitute sitting on the corner of PP Street and Mullah Corner.
Right away your remark “Here in Karachi, we avoid ‘name calling’ and ‘finger pointing’ due to fear of having our knees drilled…” is an asinine comment and this from a Harvard graduate (What a pity). I urge you to go to Karachi and visit E-23 at Karachi University Campus and ask for the faily to talk about their young son who was killed in 1990. He used to study at Urdu College and his body was found with his knees drilled and cigarette burns all over his body. Oh and his chest was ripped wide open and the stuff removed. People could not see the body because of the mutilation. The real laugher was that the people who actually did that belonged to your beloved BBs party. The dead was an MQM member.Now before you write other idiotic articles ask yourself. Is it better to actually do some leg work and find out the facts or is it just easier to write words without any basis. So Beena ji, people were certainly scared of drilling but actually they were scared from PPP. Go and find out. Who introduced weapons in Karachi. I can actually give you some names. Also, ask why after all this hatred and you becoming a mouthpiece of PPP and MMA, will anything happen to MQM. The answer is nothing. because mohajirs like me know MQMs shortcomings and still believe in it rather than your BB and Nawaz. And by the way, if you talk about MQm then dont forget about the Jiye Sindh murderers who killed millions of innocent mohajirs. I truly believe that Chowk has become a voice for PPP wanna-bes and Musharaf-haters. There is just no rhyme or reason to the articles or for that matter the posts. People, Imran will not become the prime minister for the next 15 years. Nawaz and BB will never come to Pakistan until Musharaf invites them. And yes Musharaf will win the next election and MQM will again get the same number of seats. So there is no use vehemently denying the fact. People like Zeemax are cockroaches. No matter how hard you try to get rid of them, they keep coming back. The only thin I can say about zeemax is ``read his other posts people. You will automaticallly start ignoring him``. By answering him, you are just asking for trouble without any logic.
Right away your remark “Here in Karachi, we avoid ‘name calling’ and ‘finger pointing’ due to fear of having our knees drilled…” is an asinine comment and this from a Harvard graduate (What a pity). I urge you to go to Karachi and visit E-23 at Karachi University Campus and ask for the faily to talk about their young son who was killed in 1990. He used to study at Urdu College and his body was found with his knees drilled and cigarette burns all over his body. Oh and his chest was ripped wide open and the stuff removed. People could not see the body because of the mutilation. The real laugher was that the people who actually did that belonged to your beloved BBs party. The dead was an MQM member.Now before you write other idiotic articles ask yourself. Is it better to actually do some leg work and find out the facts or is it just easier to write words without any basis. So Beena ji, people were certainly scared of drilling but actually they were scared from PPP. Go and find out. Who introduced weapons in Karachi. I can actually give you some names. Also, ask why after all this hatred and you becoming a mouthpiece of PPP and MMA, will anything happen to MQM. The answer is nothing. because mohajirs like me know MQMs shortcomings and still believe in it rather than your BB and Nawaz. And by the way, if you talk about MQm then dont forget about the Jiye Sindh murderers who killed millions of innocent mohajirs. I truly believe that Chowk has become a voice for PPP wanna-bes and Musharaf-haters. There is just no rhyme or reason to the articles or for that matter the posts. People, Imran will not become the prime minister for the next 15 years. Nawaz and BB will never come to Pakistan until Musharaf invites them. And yes Musharaf will win the next election and MQM will again get the same number of seats. So there is no use vehemently denying the fact. People like Zeemax are cockroaches. No matter how hard you try to get rid of them, they keep coming back. The only thin I can say about zeemax is ``read his other posts people. You will automaticallly start ignoring him``. By answering him, you are just asking for trouble without any logic.
#92 Posted by HasanMahmood on June 11, 2007 1:30:36 pm
First of all Zeena, I will vote for Imran Khan for national elections next time around. However, you are currently qouting a party newsletter which has 1 yes exactly 1 seat in NA. Secondly, Tehreek-e-Insaaf is completely wrong. I am not telling all of you to agree with me or for tohers to leave their PPP mentality behind but MQM was NEVER the first one to introduce guns etc. It was the Jamaat-e-Islami, PSA(Punjab Student Association) and then PPP in Karachi. Most of them got theser weapons from Afghanistan where they went in the name of Jihad during Zia`s era. I still remember the days when PPP and MMA people used to harrass every student and I still remember the time when all of them had TTs under their belts.
Once again I hate Altaf Hussain and what he stand for but I know one thing. Without MQM, Karachi will be ruled, then looted and plundered, and then finally raped by the punjabis and mullahs. If you dont agree then look at the history (during late 1980s). There is a reason why MQM gets majority of votes and please dont tell me that it is because people are scared. Every opposition party says that. Or better yet ask Zeemax ( as he was in the army) as to what he was doing when Benazir ordered mass murder of young men or when during Karachi operation, infants were thrown into fire. (by the way I still have that video on a tape if any PPP lover wants to see it).
Your post and this thereek-e-Insaaf rubbish is why people refuse to see the truth. I am not a believer of Altaf Hussain. I think he is an idiot. But just ask yourself one question? Why are all thee punjabis so scared of him? The answer is because that idiot and MQM are the only things standing between them and Karachi. I dont care about Altaf and I think he should go but MQM is the only thing saving us from Sindh becoming another Baluchistan under these paindoos.
Once again I hate Altaf Hussain and what he stand for but I know one thing. Without MQM, Karachi will be ruled, then looted and plundered, and then finally raped by the punjabis and mullahs. If you dont agree then look at the history (during late 1980s). There is a reason why MQM gets majority of votes and please dont tell me that it is because people are scared. Every opposition party says that. Or better yet ask Zeemax ( as he was in the army) as to what he was doing when Benazir ordered mass murder of young men or when during Karachi operation, infants were thrown into fire. (by the way I still have that video on a tape if any PPP lover wants to see it).
Your post and this thereek-e-Insaaf rubbish is why people refuse to see the truth. I am not a believer of Altaf Hussain. I think he is an idiot. But just ask yourself one question? Why are all thee punjabis so scared of him? The answer is because that idiot and MQM are the only things standing between them and Karachi. I dont care about Altaf and I think he should go but MQM is the only thing saving us from Sindh becoming another Baluchistan under these paindoos.
#91 Posted by Zeena on June 9, 2007 7:46:26 am
From the board of Pakistan tehreek-e-Insaf.com
[[[i came across an audio tape recorded on 1987, in which altaf of mqm says: ``mahajiro! aslah kharido aslah, tv vcr chhoro, aslah kharido``. mqm is first organization of its kind in pakistan, which started its activities on the basis of smuggled arms. thousands and thousands of pakistanis have been killed by the terrorists of this organization. mqm`s terrorists are trained in bharat by bharti army. the same bharti army once trained mukti bahini of east pakistan. i read a news story in an old news paper of 1987, in which a pashto speaking muslim was ziped with iron belts and then blown up alive by throwing petrol and then fire. innocent poor pashtoon was requesting: `` please kill me with gun, but please do not blow me up`` mqm`s terrorists were laghing and taunting at the cry of that pashtoon. just imagine the scene in your dreams. mqm has killed thousands and thousands of innocent muslims like that. this is just one single example. any pakistani who believes in quran and our innocent prophet (pbuh) will always hate this terrorist mqm. mqm has purchased millions of dollars of armory from afghan war lords in 1980s. but underground members of zia`s govt like aslam baig and pervaiz musharraf provided full support to this terrorist organization. they had organized fake fights between panjabis,sindhis,pashtoons and urdu speaking community just to strengthen terrorist mqm. whenever see a mqm member just remember these events. these members represent those terrorists,who have unromovable spots of blood on their faces. just always remember it. if you support mqm, it means you support killers, murderers, and remember our prophet (pbuh) never support murderers. please choose the prophet`s way(pbuh). thank you.]]]]
www.tehreek-e-insaaf.com
[[[i came across an audio tape recorded on 1987, in which altaf of mqm says: ``mahajiro! aslah kharido aslah, tv vcr chhoro, aslah kharido``. mqm is first organization of its kind in pakistan, which started its activities on the basis of smuggled arms. thousands and thousands of pakistanis have been killed by the terrorists of this organization. mqm`s terrorists are trained in bharat by bharti army. the same bharti army once trained mukti bahini of east pakistan. i read a news story in an old news paper of 1987, in which a pashto speaking muslim was ziped with iron belts and then blown up alive by throwing petrol and then fire. innocent poor pashtoon was requesting: `` please kill me with gun, but please do not blow me up`` mqm`s terrorists were laghing and taunting at the cry of that pashtoon. just imagine the scene in your dreams. mqm has killed thousands and thousands of innocent muslims like that. this is just one single example. any pakistani who believes in quran and our innocent prophet (pbuh) will always hate this terrorist mqm. mqm has purchased millions of dollars of armory from afghan war lords in 1980s. but underground members of zia`s govt like aslam baig and pervaiz musharraf provided full support to this terrorist organization. they had organized fake fights between panjabis,sindhis,pashtoons and urdu speaking community just to strengthen terrorist mqm. whenever see a mqm member just remember these events. these members represent those terrorists,who have unromovable spots of blood on their faces. just always remember it. if you support mqm, it means you support killers, murderers, and remember our prophet (pbuh) never support murderers. please choose the prophet`s way(pbuh). thank you.]]]]
www.tehreek-e-insaaf.com
#90 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 7, 2007 1:32:57 pm
#88 dr_h {``Do you realize that through the use of the term ``Paki Punju Paindoo feudals`` you`re alienating many fellow Pakistanis? Or do you just not care?
I doubt there are people who`d feel `hurt` by such terms being thrown on a website that may not hold very much significance. But I am quite sure, that this will adversely affect many`s view of the Urdu speaking community. I doubt you care, but let it be known anyhow.``}
Dr Sahib,
Of course I care. That is why I am using Paki Punju Paindoo in retaliation to all the PPP Chowkies on FP and some on UP who have used terms such as ``Muttarwa, Paan-chewing Bhayyas, HindustaaNRas, PanahGuzeer, and worse - dealing with the peculiarly Punjabi passion for others` mothers and sisters. :) I am sorry that some innocent Punjabis` feelings get hurt, but you must admit that ``getting hurt`` is a lot more tolerable than getting oppressed, looted, burned, and killed. Sorry. :( As the majority population in Pakistan, it is up to the Punjabis to ensure that they don`t frighten and alienate the minorities into disloyalty and worse.
I doubt there are people who`d feel `hurt` by such terms being thrown on a website that may not hold very much significance. But I am quite sure, that this will adversely affect many`s view of the Urdu speaking community. I doubt you care, but let it be known anyhow.``}
Dr Sahib,
Of course I care. That is why I am using Paki Punju Paindoo in retaliation to all the PPP Chowkies on FP and some on UP who have used terms such as ``Muttarwa, Paan-chewing Bhayyas, HindustaaNRas, PanahGuzeer, and worse - dealing with the peculiarly Punjabi passion for others` mothers and sisters. :) I am sorry that some innocent Punjabis` feelings get hurt, but you must admit that ``getting hurt`` is a lot more tolerable than getting oppressed, looted, burned, and killed. Sorry. :( As the majority population in Pakistan, it is up to the Punjabis to ensure that they don`t frighten and alienate the minorities into disloyalty and worse.
#89 Posted by zeemax on June 7, 2007 12:52:15 am
#88 by dr_h,
That`s good advice. I don`t see how it is in the interest of Urdu speaking people to turn loyalty to a linguistic party, whom the rest of the country considers criminal, into a communal issue.
After all, they`re just forcing communalism on 92.5% of the country`s population (total Urdu-speaking population being just 7.5%) whom not only do not wish to become so, but also against the wishes and interests of the Urdu-Speaking people who do not support MQM.
It all appears so juvenile to me.
That`s good advice. I don`t see how it is in the interest of Urdu speaking people to turn loyalty to a linguistic party, whom the rest of the country considers criminal, into a communal issue.
After all, they`re just forcing communalism on 92.5% of the country`s population (total Urdu-speaking population being just 7.5%) whom not only do not wish to become so, but also against the wishes and interests of the Urdu-Speaking people who do not support MQM.
It all appears so juvenile to me.
#88 Posted by dr_h on June 6, 2007 10:47:49 pm
Re: # 87
Do you realize that through the use of the term ``Paki Punju Paindoo feudals`` you`re alienating many fellow Pakistanis? Or do you just not care?
I doubt there are people who`d feel `hurt` by such terms being thrown on a website that may not hold very much significance. But I am quite sure, that this will adversely affect many`s view of the Urdu speaking community. I doubt you care, but let it be known anyhow.
Do you realize that through the use of the term ``Paki Punju Paindoo feudals`` you`re alienating many fellow Pakistanis? Or do you just not care?
I doubt there are people who`d feel `hurt` by such terms being thrown on a website that may not hold very much significance. But I am quite sure, that this will adversely affect many`s view of the Urdu speaking community. I doubt you care, but let it be known anyhow.
#87 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 6, 2007 9:09:50 am
#82 Hassauriwala,
I read your detailed post very carefully. It is a very well articulated and fact-based enumeration of the duplicity, bigotry, and hypocrisy of the Paki Punju Paindoo feudals and their minions on Chowk. I am going to post your points on Chowk UP for a discussion of the facts you presented. One minor point, I still disagree with your wish to have Zeemax banned. Instead, I propose that we stuff these points up all of his cavities until every one of the points is driven home to this idiot.
Thanks,
I read your detailed post very carefully. It is a very well articulated and fact-based enumeration of the duplicity, bigotry, and hypocrisy of the Paki Punju Paindoo feudals and their minions on Chowk. I am going to post your points on Chowk UP for a discussion of the facts you presented. One minor point, I still disagree with your wish to have Zeemax banned. Instead, I propose that we stuff these points up all of his cavities until every one of the points is driven home to this idiot.
Thanks,
#86 Posted by zeemax on June 6, 2007 2:22:11 am
#78-82 (minus #81)
Hmm ... muttarwa tails on fire ... and the RPGs haven`t even started yet ... :)
Hmm ... muttarwa tails on fire ... and the RPGs haven`t even started yet ... :)
#83 Posted by Zeena on June 5, 2007 7:34:56 pm
Only this man can save Pakistan..Listen
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5930487182973309034&q=5930487182973309034
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5930487182973309034&q=5930487182973309034
#82 Posted by hassauriwala on June 5, 2007 4:32:58 pm
Re: # 78
Hi Saleem,
Thanks for your compliments. The pleasure is all mine brother . It may be fun destroying zeemax again here but I still think he needs to be banned.
The reason is that whatever he says is nothing new . The crimes that he wants to commit on fellow Muslims and Pakistanis have been committed before which is why a retard like zeemax is able to ``articulate`` his desires. I do not think these criminals have any right to identify themselves with Islam or Pakistan. You saw in his own posts that he was trying to shore up the feudal Jurassic corrupt nymphomaniac case against MQM by referring to Benazir Bhutto, Beena Sarwar and possibly Abida Hussain. When he lost on that front he tried to make the ``jihadi`` case against MQM by referring to an imaginary clash between MQM and Binoria Town students which in his ``haqiqi`` mind occurred on Guru Mandir although if you had seen the aaj tv clip the direction of the firing was not from Binoria Town mosque never mind his addressing me as ``sir`` and offering his third-class version of facts .
Do you see that I am painting the picture of a feudal psycho who is desperate to get the MQM which he views as a threat and if Benazir could not get MQM then he tries to spin stories of jihadis who did.
All this while however, I have managed to expose his murderous acts in a number of ways by zeemax`s
1. by admitting to the mass-murder of MQM workers by the haqiqis with the backing of the feudal Army in 1992
2. by admitting to custodial killings and fake encounters in 1994
3. by asking for peace when he was soundly thrashed in the argument just like the great feudal army hero General Tiger Niazi ( what a DELUDED retard)
4. by admitting at least in part to the killings of MQM workers in 12 May 07
5. by asking for armed confrontation with MQM instead of electoral change and displaying his thirst for Karachiites` blood
6. by singing the praise of Dr Qadir Magsi who is the first named accused in the Hyderabad massacre of 30 Sep 1988 in which more than 250 people died
7. by trying to confuse his inhumane and vile corrupt feudal cause with the jihadi cause.
I too would have wanted to argue with him and thrash him too except that what this animal exhibits is the attitude of those who committed heinous crimes against Islam, Pakistan and humanity in East Pakistan in 1971 and in Karachi from 1992-9.
The reason why criminals such as Generals ``Tiger`` Niazi, Tikka Khan, Yahya Khan, Asif Nawaz and Naseer Akhter were never punished in Pakistan is why a low-life like zeemax can come on to this board and brag about the innocent people he has killed and want to kill some more. Do you realise ? That is why I think he should be banned.
In a country like Pakistan where nobody has dared to even question the truncation of the majority half of the country in 1971, or even dared to raise their voice about the crimes inflicted upon the Bengali- and Urdu-speaking population by the feudal Army, the Mukti Bahni (and the Indian Army when they got their chance) respectively , in the camps of Bangladesh where half a million human beings live since 1971 in sub-human conditions and get humiliated for identifying themselves with Pakistan these feudal swine are blaming MQM for the death of the 42 people on 12 May 2007 which no doubt were tragic but were largely brought about by the feudals themselves by their own admission.
Zeemax and his feudal corrupt Jurassic ilk should have become extinct in Pakistan as they became in India ( and the rest of the world) following Nehru`s land reforms of 1951. In Pakistan when Liaquat Ali Khan tried to do the same he was assassinated by the feudals which also demonstrates the reason for the feudals` paranoia about MQM.
I am also sorry that the Tariq Ali thread has now disappeared from the main page or it would have been more fun to take out zeemax for his lies about Liaquat Ali Khan and his martyrdom.
In short , I have said this before that I am not ethnic-minded . I also think that what happened to Justice Choudhry was unfair and he deserves re-instatement .
I also believe that because MQM will stay and Pervez Musharraf will have to go sooner or later Pervez Musharraf should stop using the MQM for his political gains.
I like to think of myself as a Pakistani and a Muslim I feel that instead of fighting each other we should have unity and a common perspective on most things .
However when I see cannibals like zeemax baying for my blood or when I see Beena Sarwar`s fraudulent ``eyewitness`` account,
>>plainclothes men ...exchanging gunfire with unseen opponents, the tri-colour MQM flag visible on their motorcycles-
So who were the ``unseen opponents`` you ugly prejudiced bitch ? Yeh ``Niazi`` yeh tere purasraar banday ?
I feel like puking at the third-rate publication standards on Chowk.com
Hi Saleem,
Thanks for your compliments. The pleasure is all mine brother . It may be fun destroying zeemax again here but I still think he needs to be banned.
The reason is that whatever he says is nothing new . The crimes that he wants to commit on fellow Muslims and Pakistanis have been committed before which is why a retard like zeemax is able to ``articulate`` his desires. I do not think these criminals have any right to identify themselves with Islam or Pakistan. You saw in his own posts that he was trying to shore up the feudal Jurassic corrupt nymphomaniac case against MQM by referring to Benazir Bhutto, Beena Sarwar and possibly Abida Hussain. When he lost on that front he tried to make the ``jihadi`` case against MQM by referring to an imaginary clash between MQM and Binoria Town students which in his ``haqiqi`` mind occurred on Guru Mandir although if you had seen the aaj tv clip the direction of the firing was not from Binoria Town mosque never mind his addressing me as ``sir`` and offering his third-class version of facts .
Do you see that I am painting the picture of a feudal psycho who is desperate to get the MQM which he views as a threat and if Benazir could not get MQM then he tries to spin stories of jihadis who did.
All this while however, I have managed to expose his murderous acts in a number of ways by zeemax`s
1. by admitting to the mass-murder of MQM workers by the haqiqis with the backing of the feudal Army in 1992
2. by admitting to custodial killings and fake encounters in 1994
3. by asking for peace when he was soundly thrashed in the argument just like the great feudal army hero General Tiger Niazi ( what a DELUDED retard)
4. by admitting at least in part to the killings of MQM workers in 12 May 07
5. by asking for armed confrontation with MQM instead of electoral change and displaying his thirst for Karachiites` blood
6. by singing the praise of Dr Qadir Magsi who is the first named accused in the Hyderabad massacre of 30 Sep 1988 in which more than 250 people died
7. by trying to confuse his inhumane and vile corrupt feudal cause with the jihadi cause.
I too would have wanted to argue with him and thrash him too except that what this animal exhibits is the attitude of those who committed heinous crimes against Islam, Pakistan and humanity in East Pakistan in 1971 and in Karachi from 1992-9.
The reason why criminals such as Generals ``Tiger`` Niazi, Tikka Khan, Yahya Khan, Asif Nawaz and Naseer Akhter were never punished in Pakistan is why a low-life like zeemax can come on to this board and brag about the innocent people he has killed and want to kill some more. Do you realise ? That is why I think he should be banned.
In a country like Pakistan where nobody has dared to even question the truncation of the majority half of the country in 1971, or even dared to raise their voice about the crimes inflicted upon the Bengali- and Urdu-speaking population by the feudal Army, the Mukti Bahni (and the Indian Army when they got their chance) respectively , in the camps of Bangladesh where half a million human beings live since 1971 in sub-human conditions and get humiliated for identifying themselves with Pakistan these feudal swine are blaming MQM for the death of the 42 people on 12 May 2007 which no doubt were tragic but were largely brought about by the feudals themselves by their own admission.
Zeemax and his feudal corrupt Jurassic ilk should have become extinct in Pakistan as they became in India ( and the rest of the world) following Nehru`s land reforms of 1951. In Pakistan when Liaquat Ali Khan tried to do the same he was assassinated by the feudals which also demonstrates the reason for the feudals` paranoia about MQM.
I am also sorry that the Tariq Ali thread has now disappeared from the main page or it would have been more fun to take out zeemax for his lies about Liaquat Ali Khan and his martyrdom.
In short , I have said this before that I am not ethnic-minded . I also think that what happened to Justice Choudhry was unfair and he deserves re-instatement .
I also believe that because MQM will stay and Pervez Musharraf will have to go sooner or later Pervez Musharraf should stop using the MQM for his political gains.
I like to think of myself as a Pakistani and a Muslim I feel that instead of fighting each other we should have unity and a common perspective on most things .
However when I see cannibals like zeemax baying for my blood or when I see Beena Sarwar`s fraudulent ``eyewitness`` account,
>>plainclothes men ...exchanging gunfire with unseen opponents, the tri-colour MQM flag visible on their motorcycles-
So who were the ``unseen opponents`` you ugly prejudiced bitch ? Yeh ``Niazi`` yeh tere purasraar banday ?
I feel like puking at the third-rate publication standards on Chowk.com
#81 Posted by hexelite on June 4, 2007 11:50:02 pm
Whatever it had happened in Karachi on 12 May was really not good!
But did you people see that now, what was happening in 1992 93 .???
Operation Against MQM where was the Voice for them at that time.
What ever happened on 12 May MQM was not a Part of that, but surley they have been balmed!
But did you people see that now, what was happening in 1992 93 .???
Operation Against MQM where was the Voice for them at that time.
What ever happened on 12 May MQM was not a Part of that, but surley they have been balmed!
#80 Posted by dr_h on June 3, 2007 9:41:53 pm
I am the son of a Baloch family. My forefathers have lived in central Punjab (Dist. Lodhran) for several centuries now. The language we speak is Saraeky. The language I learned to speak with my immediate family Urdu. I can`t validly claim to be a Punjabi nor a Baloch. Or a Saraeky speaker. Or a well versed urdu speaker. I`ve lived in Canada for the last 7 years. Yet, in my heart I have the burning desire to help the people of my country. To return to the same filthy streets and `chowks` I grew up in, to help my people in what ever way I can. As a child I lived all over Punjab thanks to my father`s government job. Most my Pakistani friends in Canada are Karachiites.
The only thing I can validly claim to be is Pakistani. And at this very moment, I`m ashamed to be a Pakistani.
The only thing I can validly claim to be is Pakistani. And at this very moment, I`m ashamed to be a Pakistani.
#79 Posted by rf786 on June 3, 2007 11:33:52 am
Re: # 78
Dear Salim,
For someone so young you are one smart cookie, not that u need any but I will pary for your wellbeing and success.
I second your thoughts, Pee-Max sud not be banned for he is his own biggest enemy, the more he opens his mouth the more he shows his dispicable innerside.
Dear Salim,
For someone so young you are one smart cookie, not that u need any but I will pary for your wellbeing and success.
I second your thoughts, Pee-Max sud not be banned for he is his own biggest enemy, the more he opens his mouth the more he shows his dispicable innerside.
#78 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 3, 2007 8:46:57 am
Hassauriwalla #75,
I think that you have exposed Zeemax Sahib`s anti-Mohajir, anti-Urdu speaking, and typically Paki Punju Paindoo credentials. Regardless of the state of his mental cavity, I do not support his ip address, his backside, or his broadside getting banned. By giving him a long long leash, Chowk will help us get to the truth - the insatiable and detestable urge for Mohajir blood that is the characteristic of most Urdu-hating bigots. Zeemax just happens to have a big mouth, his brethren feel the same way. Keep him engaged, at least while he is talking his mouth off, he can`t be biting anyone. :)
I think that you have exposed Zeemax Sahib`s anti-Mohajir, anti-Urdu speaking, and typically Paki Punju Paindoo credentials. Regardless of the state of his mental cavity, I do not support his ip address, his backside, or his broadside getting banned. By giving him a long long leash, Chowk will help us get to the truth - the insatiable and detestable urge for Mohajir blood that is the characteristic of most Urdu-hating bigots. Zeemax just happens to have a big mouth, his brethren feel the same way. Keep him engaged, at least while he is talking his mouth off, he can`t be biting anyone. :)
#77 Posted by zeemax on June 3, 2007 4:40:12 am
.... contd #76 ...
And if you want me banned, that says a lot about your altaphi bhayya style non-fascistic `democratic` credentials ...... !
And if you want me banned, that says a lot about your altaphi bhayya style non-fascistic `democratic` credentials ...... !
#76 Posted by zeemax on June 3, 2007 4:35:36 am
#75 by hassauriwala,
Okay hassauriwala,
Okay hassauriwala,
PEACE !!!
And this is not ``masturbating loudly in red caps.``
When MQM goons started the attack around AAJ TV at Gurumandar, the Binoria Jihadis were there as well because they feared an attack on their Madrassa knowing mutarraf`s hatred of madrassas and knowing this opportunity may be used to attack it and blame it on some miscreants. So they were out in arms in defence around the madrassa and nothing to do with CJ nor any politics. When the altaphi goons fired some shots in their direction, they effed those goons instantly and despatched a dozen to FB Area Qabristan. All they were doing was defending the madrassa and din`t let the bhayyas get near. Get it now Sir?
Once the bhayyas were chased off, the Jihadis didn`t go after them to finish off the whole lot. I`m only recommending they should otherwise this menace will keep raising its nefarious head. Its head must be cut off and displayed on Hasan Square for all to see.
And if MQM is democratic, I`m Santa Claus. :)
#75 Posted by hassauriwala on June 3, 2007 1:37:03 am
Mr Zeemax,
You try to confuse your vile feudal cause by making it resemble with the jihadi cause.
Everyone knows you are lying because the May 12 confrontation was not between jihadis and MQM. Besides you have admitted yourself to the murder of 12 MQM workers that day. You have also undone the feudal propaganda by Beena Sarwar et al. that MQM was behind the killings. You are also encouraging 1992-style slaughter of Karachiites at the hands of the feudal forces and their b-team the Haqiqis. You also admit that since you feudals cannot win at the ballot-box you want armed confrontationin Karachi (why not Sheikhupura?)
I think you have dug your own grave and shot yourself in the foot.
On top of that you are so excited that you are masturbating loudly in red caps.
I think people like you are a disgrace to whatever cause Pakistan, Islam or Jihad you claim to ascribe (altho your real cause only is the feudal cause).
In your frustration and anger at MQM` success in Karachi you have committed several hate-crimes such as inciting hatred, attacking a democratically elected party. I am hoping you will get arrested and charged soon (as you are not anonymous).
I also hope that the management of Chowk.com (which appears to be biased against Karachiites) will ban your ip address.
#74 Posted by zeemax on June 3, 2007 12:47:28 am
#71 by hassauriwala,
He needs help. Let us give it to him...
Mr. Hathoriwaley, Jihadis don`t need any help. They only need Allah and after Allah some RPGs. That`s all. If these are enough to bring down Nato gunships, it`s like killing a fly with a hammer in case of altaphi bhayyas. Just a few rounds is more than enough to make you altaphi bhayyas run to hide behind your big brother mutarraf bhayya and hide behind his uniform and shout when hanging on to the seat of his fauji khaki trousers:
He needs help. Let us give it to him...
Mr. Hathoriwaley, Jihadis don`t need any help. They only need Allah and after Allah some RPGs. That`s all. If these are enough to bring down Nato gunships, it`s like killing a fly with a hammer in case of altaphi bhayyas. Just a few rounds is more than enough to make you altaphi bhayyas run to hide behind your big brother mutarraf bhayya and hide behind his uniform and shout when hanging on to the seat of his fauji khaki trousers:
Saaley, Ab Key aaaaaa !!!
#73 Posted by HP on June 2, 2007 11:35:51 pm
#63 by khamy1 on June 2, 2007 11:04am PT
``...while all the mqm slaves are busy painting beena sarwar a punjabi for writing things they don`t like...what would they call her if it turns out that beena sarwar is a mohajir like them...;)``
No! she will never turn out to be like them...She is Sindhi. She would fight for the legitimate Mohajir rights as much as she fights for the Sindhi rights.
But in reality mohajir of MQM brand are never right...
Communalists just can`t give up the lifestyle choices they made in UP,and Bihar....
#72 Posted by ahmedmadani on June 2, 2007 9:22:49 pm
It is extremely sad article as author is journalist but she is taking side and against MQM. She is supporting anti MQM parties.
We expect journalist to be impartial but authers expresses opinion which is not acceptable
We expect journalist to be impartial but authers expresses opinion which is not acceptable
#71 Posted by hassauriwala on June 2, 2007 7:57:09 pm
>>>State can`t disarm anyone. Best option would be to use non-state actors like the Binoria Jihadis to confront them with better firepower like RPGs etc. Even with small weapons on 12/5, they despatched about a dozen altaf bhayyas from Gurumander to the FB Area qabristan.
Further, to do the real nasty work, haqeeqees should be let loose on them once again with drills and sacks, to be rewarded by a few seats on the Sindh Assembly and perhaps some municipal body like the water & sewerage board.
Is this person human? Apart from admitting the murder of 12 MQM workers on 12 May (hear, O feudal animal-haters of MQM), he is encouraging slaughter against an elected party in Karachi. His ip address should be banned from Chowk.com in my opinion.
This zeemax psycho posted this on another thread. He needs help. Let us give it to him.
Further, to do the real nasty work, haqeeqees should be let loose on them once again with drills and sacks, to be rewarded by a few seats on the Sindh Assembly and perhaps some municipal body like the water & sewerage board.
Is this person human? Apart from admitting the murder of 12 MQM workers on 12 May (hear, O feudal animal-haters of MQM), he is encouraging slaughter against an elected party in Karachi. His ip address should be banned from Chowk.com in my opinion.
This zeemax psycho posted this on another thread. He needs help. Let us give it to him.
#70 Posted by CheGuevara on June 2, 2007 4:38:35 pm
As an MQM supporter (well voter is more like it), I am disgusted at the lack of tolerance these guys have for any dissent, these idiots have to realise that dissent is not necessarily a bad thing.
#68 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 2, 2007 3:34:06 pm
#60 {``...In a bid to become more Punju-friendly, Altaph Bhai announced another change to MQMs name. He decreed that MQM (Muttahida Qaumi Movement) will now be called MKM (Muttahida Komi Movement).``}
Moti Maan Bezamir announced that she does not have to prove her pro-Punju orientation. The very name of PPP is inherently all Pee and represents Punjaibis better than any other acronym. :))
Moti Maan Bezamir announced that she does not have to prove her pro-Punju orientation. The very name of PPP is inherently all Pee and represents Punjaibis better than any other acronym. :))
#67 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 2, 2007 3:28:35 pm
#62 zeemax {``How can an eye-witness account (actually several) be one-sided? Of-course unless your one eye does not match the other eye as your creator Zina-ul-Haq ... !!!``}
Zee,
So now you are accusing the MahaPunju from Jullundar of creating the MQM? You will be singing a different tune when it`s announced that Altaph Bhai created you.
Zee,
So now you are accusing the MahaPunju from Jullundar of creating the MQM? You will be singing a different tune when it`s announced that Altaph Bhai created you.
#66 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 2, 2007 3:25:45 pm
#63 Qumquat {``...while all the mqm slaves are busy painting beena sarwar a punjabi for writing things they don`t like...what would they call her if it turns out that beena sarwar is a mohajir like them...;)``}
Qumquat,
What would you do if, after all these years of insulting Sikhs, they finally locate your unknown father and find out that he is a practicing proctologist in Ludhiana?
Qumquat,
What would you do if, after all these years of insulting Sikhs, they finally locate your unknown father and find out that he is a practicing proctologist in Ludhiana?
#65 Posted by zeemax on June 2, 2007 11:33:54 am
#64 by hassauriwala,
Hathori-waley, who paid Beena Sarwar to write this article huh? Jinnah`s grandsons? But oh I forgot ... they got murdered some time back .... :)
Hathori-waley, who paid Beena Sarwar to write this article huh? Jinnah`s grandsons? But oh I forgot ... they got murdered some time back .... :)
#64 Posted by hassauriwala on June 2, 2007 11:19:19 am
>>>what would they call her if it turns out that beena sarwar is a mohajir like them...;)
That is a good question and reflects your tribal, ethnic, Jurassic, corrupt feudal mentality quite accurately. Well done.
Do we care what Beena Sarwar`s ethnic origins are ( I doubt if she knows herself ) .
We do not get paid to write in MQM`s favour unlike some journalists who are paid by the feudal establishment since 1992 to write lies against MQM.
#63 Posted by khamy1 on June 2, 2007 11:04:41 am
...while all the mqm slaves are busy painting beena sarwar a punjabi for writing things they don`t like...what would they call her if it turns out that beena sarwar is a mohajir like them...;)
#62 Posted by zeemax on June 2, 2007 10:51:01 am
Abey Salim,
her childish one-sided ``eyewitness`` account.
How can an eye-witness account (actually several) be one-sided? Of-course unless your one eye does not match the other eye as your creator Zina-ul-Haq ... !!!
her childish one-sided ``eyewitness`` account.
How can an eye-witness account (actually several) be one-sided? Of-course unless your one eye does not match the other eye as your creator Zina-ul-Haq ... !!!
#61 Posted by hassauriwala on June 2, 2007 10:08:33 am
>>`` Karachities should think carefully .... have held the entire karachi population hostage ``
MQM is holding nobody hostage . Everyone is free to not vote for MQM. But if the feudals still cannot get any votes despite occupying Karachi from 1992-9 and looting Karachi`s tax-money to kill MQM boys, to rape Karachi`s girls and to spread Benazir`s and Nawaz`s message of feudal ``love`` for Karachi then it is not MQM `s fault if it keeps winning elections.
>>`` Many did this like Gandhi, Quaideazam, Mandela, etc, why cannot he show the guts.``
Array array aap to pyjamas se bahir ho gaye ! What about your own feudal leaders Benazir and Nawaz . How do you manage to forget them before jumping on to Mandela ? Whose money do you think Benazir and Nawaz are living on?
>>``Why he is not coming back when his party is in power ``
Altaf left for London when MQM was in power in 1991 too . MQM always wins elections from Karachi and signs agreements on power-sharing each time .
Within a few days , however, the feudal Jurassic corrupt establishment starts blaming MQM and starts an ``operation`` against the hapless middle-class Karachiites forcing MQM into the opposition in breach of the agreement.
This happened in 1989, 1992 and 1997. Is MQM the only evil in Pakistan and Benazir, Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif
If you still want to blame an elected party like MQM for being forced into the opposition like Sheikh Mujeeb was by the Punjabi feudal establishment in 1971 you are one sick person , but then again you are a feudal.
Do not forget that MQM has been elected always from urban Sindh since 1988 and no amount of feudal propaganda could change that even during the ``operation`` from 1992-9 .
Your feudal leaders (Benazir, Nawaz) left as soon as they lost power went into opposition. That is the characteristic of the weakness of character and corruption of your feudal leaders which is not in Altaf Hussain.
Staying in ``power`` is a feudal obsession not that of middle-class MQM. When feudals are in power they murder, loot, rape anyone who is within their reach. When they lose power they take the tax-payers` money and run abroad. There has been a lot of talk of MQM protection -money . What about Nawaz Sharif and Benazir`s money ? Where do you think that comes from? Why do you not give any evidence of the ``so-called`` protection rackets in Karachi?
There is not even a case of corruption against MQM which is so endemic in feudal Pakistan.
I can give you evidence however of the sub-human conditions in Pakistan`s feudal fiefdoms.
MQM is holding nobody hostage . Everyone is free to not vote for MQM. But if the feudals still cannot get any votes despite occupying Karachi from 1992-9 and looting Karachi`s tax-money to kill MQM boys, to rape Karachi`s girls and to spread Benazir`s and Nawaz`s message of feudal ``love`` for Karachi then it is not MQM `s fault if it keeps winning elections.
>>`` Many did this like Gandhi, Quaideazam, Mandela, etc, why cannot he show the guts.``
Array array aap to pyjamas se bahir ho gaye ! What about your own feudal leaders Benazir and Nawaz . How do you manage to forget them before jumping on to Mandela ? Whose money do you think Benazir and Nawaz are living on?
>>``Why he is not coming back when his party is in power ``
Altaf left for London when MQM was in power in 1991 too . MQM always wins elections from Karachi and signs agreements on power-sharing each time .
Within a few days , however, the feudal Jurassic corrupt establishment starts blaming MQM and starts an ``operation`` against the hapless middle-class Karachiites forcing MQM into the opposition in breach of the agreement.
This happened in 1989, 1992 and 1997. Is MQM the only evil in Pakistan and Benazir, Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif
If you still want to blame an elected party like MQM for being forced into the opposition like Sheikh Mujeeb was by the Punjabi feudal establishment in 1971 you are one sick person , but then again you are a feudal.
Do not forget that MQM has been elected always from urban Sindh since 1988 and no amount of feudal propaganda could change that even during the ``operation`` from 1992-9 .
Your feudal leaders (Benazir, Nawaz) left as soon as they lost power went into opposition. That is the characteristic of the weakness of character and corruption of your feudal leaders which is not in Altaf Hussain.
Staying in ``power`` is a feudal obsession not that of middle-class MQM. When feudals are in power they murder, loot, rape anyone who is within their reach. When they lose power they take the tax-payers` money and run abroad. There has been a lot of talk of MQM protection -money . What about Nawaz Sharif and Benazir`s money ? Where do you think that comes from? Why do you not give any evidence of the ``so-called`` protection rackets in Karachi?
There is not even a case of corruption against MQM which is so endemic in feudal Pakistan.
I can give you evidence however of the sub-human conditions in Pakistan`s feudal fiefdoms.
#60 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 2, 2007 9:37:17 am
Once again, MQM announces a change in name.
In a bid to become more Punju-friendly, Altaph Bhai announced another change to MQMs name. He decreed that MQM (Muttahida Qaumi Movement) will now be called MKM (Muttahida Komi Movement).
Not to be outdone, Mushy announced the PML (Q for Qaaf) will also change its name to PML (K for Kaaf).
Nobody knows how long this spirit of ``feel good come to Jesus kumbaya`` will last in Pakistan. Nawas Sharif of PML (N for Noon) announced that he had no plans to change to the name of his party. He denied the rumor being spread by the vicious MQM, that the ``NOON`` in PML (N for NOON) stood for 12 o`clock as an insult to Sardarjis. Mr. Sharif reiterated that the N for Noon in PML (N) stood for Nawaz
In a bid to become more Punju-friendly, Altaph Bhai announced another change to MQMs name. He decreed that MQM (Muttahida Qaumi Movement) will now be called MKM (Muttahida Komi Movement).
Not to be outdone, Mushy announced the PML (Q for Qaaf) will also change its name to PML (K for Kaaf).
Nobody knows how long this spirit of ``feel good come to Jesus kumbaya`` will last in Pakistan. Nawas Sharif of PML (N for Noon) announced that he had no plans to change to the name of his party. He denied the rumor being spread by the vicious MQM, that the ``NOON`` in PML (N for NOON) stood for 12 o`clock as an insult to Sardarjis. Mr. Sharif reiterated that the N for Noon in PML (N) stood for Nawaz
#59 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 2, 2007 9:24:22 am
#54 hassauriwala {``As I see it , Chowk.com has become a vehicle of spreading hatred against Karachi`s elected party the MQM by ``journalists`` like Ms Sarwar who are ``based primarily in Lahore and Karachi`` ( look at her stupid profile). ``}
Hassaruiwala Bhai,
Good observation. Whether it`s MQM or the issue of ``stranded`` Pakis in BD, or constant whining about ``bering forced`` to speak Urdu, or their new-found ``love`` for democracy and the judiciary, the long line of Paindoos on Chowk miss no opportunity to show their ethnic, racial, or linguistic bias and hatred. While you may have optimism for Pakistan`s future, I would rather concentrate on JUST the safety, welfare, and future of OUR people - GA Mohajir. :) I cannot be loyal to a country, whose majority population does NOT want it`s own citizens (just because they are Urdu-speaking) repatriated from a hostile location after suffering a shameful and cowardly defeat.
Hassaruiwala Bhai,
Good observation. Whether it`s MQM or the issue of ``stranded`` Pakis in BD, or constant whining about ``bering forced`` to speak Urdu, or their new-found ``love`` for democracy and the judiciary, the long line of Paindoos on Chowk miss no opportunity to show their ethnic, racial, or linguistic bias and hatred. While you may have optimism for Pakistan`s future, I would rather concentrate on JUST the safety, welfare, and future of OUR people - GA Mohajir. :) I cannot be loyal to a country, whose majority population does NOT want it`s own citizens (just because they are Urdu-speaking) repatriated from a hostile location after suffering a shameful and cowardly defeat.
#58 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 2, 2007 9:24:07 am
#157 Zeemax {``Musharraf is no Ayub Khan.``}
Zee,
You got that right. Musharraf cannot be blamed for:
Promoting himself to Field Marshall
Preying on poor Muslim refugee girls at the border and reserving the most beautiful ones for himself
Carrying on a liason with an English prostitute (Christine Keeler) and sharing all kinds of state secrets
Obtaining a car dealership for his son as Ayub did for Gauhar
Having killed many innocent people in Karachi and then dumping their bodies in the sea
Being a total chicken when India retaliated by crossing the international border in 1965 - read Bhutto`s account of the behavior of this ``soldier.``
Spending considerable amounts of state funds to construct a gold course for himself while many Pakistanis lacked basic needs for survival
Sacking the most popular man in East Pakistan out of personal jealousy and fear (I think the man was Gen. Azam Khan) and thus paving the way for Bangladesh
Giving away a huge chunk of Kashmir (Shaksgam) to China as a gift
Promoting a young aristocratic Bhutto only because he was impressed by his vast land holding and a place to hunt
Letting the country`s defenses go to the dogs after 1965 war - leading to the most shameful defeat of Pakistan in 1971
Mocking democracy with the concept of ``basic democrats.``
Setting and justifying the course for future military dictatorships by not restoring democracy in `58
Of course, when there was a Bengali majority in Pakistan, our Punjaibi friends on Chowk did not have any passion for democracy or ``one man one vote.`` Funny how these hypocrites have discovered democracy after the departure of the majority of Pakistanis. Shame.
Zee,
You got that right. Musharraf cannot be blamed for:
Promoting himself to Field Marshall
Preying on poor Muslim refugee girls at the border and reserving the most beautiful ones for himself
Carrying on a liason with an English prostitute (Christine Keeler) and sharing all kinds of state secrets
Obtaining a car dealership for his son as Ayub did for Gauhar
Having killed many innocent people in Karachi and then dumping their bodies in the sea
Being a total chicken when India retaliated by crossing the international border in 1965 - read Bhutto`s account of the behavior of this ``soldier.``
Spending considerable amounts of state funds to construct a gold course for himself while many Pakistanis lacked basic needs for survival
Sacking the most popular man in East Pakistan out of personal jealousy and fear (I think the man was Gen. Azam Khan) and thus paving the way for Bangladesh
Giving away a huge chunk of Kashmir (Shaksgam) to China as a gift
Promoting a young aristocratic Bhutto only because he was impressed by his vast land holding and a place to hunt
Letting the country`s defenses go to the dogs after 1965 war - leading to the most shameful defeat of Pakistan in 1971
Mocking democracy with the concept of ``basic democrats.``
Setting and justifying the course for future military dictatorships by not restoring democracy in `58
Of course, when there was a Bengali majority in Pakistan, our Punjaibi friends on Chowk did not have any passion for democracy or ``one man one vote.`` Funny how these hypocrites have discovered democracy after the departure of the majority of Pakistanis. Shame.
#57 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 2, 2007 9:17:18 am
#56 sam67 {``Dont you have anyone who can lead MQM from within you?``}
Sam,
So now you want to practice real democracy by dictating to us Urdu-speaking Mohajirs about who can or cannot be our leader?
If you were an Urdu-speaking Mohajir, I could understand your passion, but obviously your pom pom waving cheerleading dance for Beena`s ``great service`` reflects your own myopia and paindoo outlook.
Have you ever thought about autocratic leaders of parties such as PPP, ML (N), or even the ML of Mr. Jinnah? I just hope Manto doesn`t read this and take us all down memory lane for the thousandth time. :)
Sam,
So now you want to practice real democracy by dictating to us Urdu-speaking Mohajirs about who can or cannot be our leader?
If you were an Urdu-speaking Mohajir, I could understand your passion, but obviously your pom pom waving cheerleading dance for Beena`s ``great service`` reflects your own myopia and paindoo outlook.
Have you ever thought about autocratic leaders of parties such as PPP, ML (N), or even the ML of Mr. Jinnah? I just hope Manto doesn`t read this and take us all down memory lane for the thousandth time. :)
#56 Posted by sam67 on June 2, 2007 7:05:19 am
I think Beena has done a great service by giving the first hand account of what actually happened on 5/12. Karachities should think carefully before defending such an act. It is not against Karachities, its not against MQM either but it is against the thugs of MQM who are ruling this party while sitting abroad. They have held the entire karachi population hostage to their guns and are minting money in the name of monthlies from almost all and sundry in Karachi. Yes everyone is against feudals, waderas but for Godsake dont create another wadera in the name of MQM chief. Why he is not coming back when his party is in power and when his mentor is ruling the country. what stops him. if he is so sincere to Pakistan why should not he give up his british citizenship and come and join the struggle for people. Many did this like Gandhi, Quaideazam, Mandela, etc, why cannot he show the guts. Does he fear those whose sons and near and dear ones were killed on his orders or does he fear judiciary? so for Godsake dont perpatuate feudalism by supporting a foreign-based leader. Dont you have anyone who can lead MQM from within you? yes u have many of them the only thing will be to show guts and defy your party lord and make MQM real representative of people not of thugs and looters and monthly grabbers.
#55 Posted by bjkumar on June 2, 2007 4:05:59 am
Salim mian,
What happened on May 12, 2007 was a man-made tragedy. It should be recognized as such.
Beating up on the author - who only happens to be a bearer of the bad news - does not change the reality.
#54 Posted by hassauriwala on June 2, 2007 12:06:17 am
Thanks Saleem,
What Beena Sarwar has written is not an eyewitness account. It is an outpouring of feudal venom and hatred against Karachi and Karachiites as can be seen in the various posts in praise of Beena which are like the retarded Nawaz Sharif propaganda about torture cells in 1992 or 1994 when in Benazir Bhutto`s time visibly tortured MQM workers were made to ``confess`` on PTV and promise never to be associated with MQM again.
Karachiites , or myself or anyone is made sick by third-rate lies and Jurassic tribal savages claiming that MQM is more evil than the feudal establishment .
MQM as a party of literate middle-class tax-payers, is an anti-thesis of the primitive feudal Jurassic corrupt establishment that has controlled Pakistan since 1951 ( and gorged on taxes from Karachi).
But that does not necessarily make the MQM evil. In so many years of feudal propaganda against MQM not a single case of corruption has been mentioned whereas in other parties politicians live and die with money earned by corruption.
The MQM is violent but that is only a reflection of a society where Army, rangers, police, Benazir and Nawaz ( and now Imran Khan) think they can subjugate middle-class urbane tax-paying citizens by violence. So why blame MQM?
As I see it , Chowk.com has become a vehicle of spreading hatred against Karachi`s elected party the MQM by ``journalists`` like Ms Sarwar who are ``based primarily in Lahore and Karachi`` ( look at her stupid profile).
I hold no brief against Punjabis . In fact I have the greatest of respect for the people of Lahore who even defied Ayub Khan to vote for Ms Fatima Jinnah.
I will again say that what Pervez Musharraf did to Justice Choudhry was wrong and what happened on 12 May 07 was sad.
I also think these ethnic differences are simply pointless.
But as I have said before, there is a way of discussing and analysing it without being ``absolutist`` that the MQM is the most evil thing in existence and these feudal detractors of MQM ( who have actually become extinct in the rest of the world such as India) who murder, rape, loot, plunder , lose and lie with their primitive tribal mentality about MQM are the best people in the world.
I hope what I have said is fair and clear ( it is a bit high-level for the crowd on chowk.com but there are very few sites to post ...don`t you think?)
Long Live Pakistan.
What Beena Sarwar has written is not an eyewitness account. It is an outpouring of feudal venom and hatred against Karachi and Karachiites as can be seen in the various posts in praise of Beena which are like the retarded Nawaz Sharif propaganda about torture cells in 1992 or 1994 when in Benazir Bhutto`s time visibly tortured MQM workers were made to ``confess`` on PTV and promise never to be associated with MQM again.
Karachiites , or myself or anyone is made sick by third-rate lies and Jurassic tribal savages claiming that MQM is more evil than the feudal establishment .
MQM as a party of literate middle-class tax-payers, is an anti-thesis of the primitive feudal Jurassic corrupt establishment that has controlled Pakistan since 1951 ( and gorged on taxes from Karachi).
But that does not necessarily make the MQM evil. In so many years of feudal propaganda against MQM not a single case of corruption has been mentioned whereas in other parties politicians live and die with money earned by corruption.
The MQM is violent but that is only a reflection of a society where Army, rangers, police, Benazir and Nawaz ( and now Imran Khan) think they can subjugate middle-class urbane tax-paying citizens by violence. So why blame MQM?
As I see it , Chowk.com has become a vehicle of spreading hatred against Karachi`s elected party the MQM by ``journalists`` like Ms Sarwar who are ``based primarily in Lahore and Karachi`` ( look at her stupid profile).
I hold no brief against Punjabis . In fact I have the greatest of respect for the people of Lahore who even defied Ayub Khan to vote for Ms Fatima Jinnah.
I will again say that what Pervez Musharraf did to Justice Choudhry was wrong and what happened on 12 May 07 was sad.
I also think these ethnic differences are simply pointless.
But as I have said before, there is a way of discussing and analysing it without being ``absolutist`` that the MQM is the most evil thing in existence and these feudal detractors of MQM ( who have actually become extinct in the rest of the world such as India) who murder, rape, loot, plunder , lose and lie with their primitive tribal mentality about MQM are the best people in the world.
I hope what I have said is fair and clear ( it is a bit high-level for the crowd on chowk.com but there are very few sites to post ...don`t you think?)
Long Live Pakistan.
#53 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 1, 2007 3:26:18 pm
#50 hassauriwala {``Take Beena Sarwar for example. I do not think she is very clever and her third-rate third-party propaganda is certainly not an eyewitness account. ...Since May 12, the feudal ``iqtidar-mafia`` has been in the process of (re-)discovering MQM as a ``terrorist`` organisation given that the feudal Nawabzadas, Sahibzadas, Khanzadas, Haramzadas , Makhdooms , Maliks, Bhuttos, Bugtis and Pirs who have ruled Pakistan since Liaquat Ali Khan`s martyrdom in 1951 have tried and failed to harm MQM from 1992-99. ``}
Hassauriwala Bhai,
I was the first to read and offer feedback to Beena about her article. Please see my post #1 where I have expressed my disappointment at her childish one-sided ``eyewitness`` account. I even provided some pictures of those who were actively engaged in the fighting with all kinds of weapons. Apparently, the author does not find anything hateful or ethnically divisive about PPI - Punjabi Pukhtoon Inc. :) That is exactly why I have no more faith left in the majority of Pakistanis - their ``heads I win, tails you lose`` logic makes it very difficult to compromise with them. All the violence in Baluchistan and NWFP in which hundres (if not thousands) of Pakistanis have been slaughtered goes unnoticed, while a politically-driven ``peaceful`` rally incorporating all kinds of weapons and resulting in the deaths of dozens is paramount news. Where were all these Monday morning crocodiles when Karachiites were dying by the thousands in the late 80s and early 90s?
Hassauriwala Bhai,
I was the first to read and offer feedback to Beena about her article. Please see my post #1 where I have expressed my disappointment at her childish one-sided ``eyewitness`` account. I even provided some pictures of those who were actively engaged in the fighting with all kinds of weapons. Apparently, the author does not find anything hateful or ethnically divisive about PPI - Punjabi Pukhtoon Inc. :) That is exactly why I have no more faith left in the majority of Pakistanis - their ``heads I win, tails you lose`` logic makes it very difficult to compromise with them. All the violence in Baluchistan and NWFP in which hundres (if not thousands) of Pakistanis have been slaughtered goes unnoticed, while a politically-driven ``peaceful`` rally incorporating all kinds of weapons and resulting in the deaths of dozens is paramount news. Where were all these Monday morning crocodiles when Karachiites were dying by the thousands in the late 80s and early 90s?
#52 Posted by bjkumar on June 1, 2007 3:17:49 pm
Beena, just a simple note to emphasize (if any emphasis is at all necessary) that over the last two years on this site - my admiration for Pakistani journalists and writers - as I develop a better appreciation for the conditions under which they operate - keeps going up...
...thanks to articles like this!
#51 Posted by HisExcellency on June 1, 2007 1:33:28 pm
Beena,
The sentiments expressed in your article resonate with the views of all Pakistanis who believe in tolerance, political pluralism and democracy. Your article can only aggravate those sociopaths who believe in Mohajir particularism and are bereft of humanity or respect for democracy.
MQM`s already small constituency got smaller with this brazen display of fascism. This party is unworthy of power and I pray that no mainstream party ever form a coalition with MQM again, until the London-based perpetrators of 5/12 are brought to justice.
The sentiments expressed in your article resonate with the views of all Pakistanis who believe in tolerance, political pluralism and democracy. Your article can only aggravate those sociopaths who believe in Mohajir particularism and are bereft of humanity or respect for democracy.
MQM`s already small constituency got smaller with this brazen display of fascism. This party is unworthy of power and I pray that no mainstream party ever form a coalition with MQM again, until the London-based perpetrators of 5/12 are brought to justice.
#50 Posted by hassauriwala on June 1, 2007 12:54:44 pm
Hi Saleem,
Thanks brother. What happened on the12th of May was sad. But instead of mud-slinging on Karachiites and their elected party may be everyone should look for consensus and compromise.
Take Beena Sarwar for example. I do not think she is very clever and her third-rate thord-party propaganda is certainly not an eyewitness account. It is a bit difficult for a heavy-set lady like Beena Sarwar to have moved all over Karachi on 12 May 07 ( especially when there are tankers and containers in the way, don`t you think?)
Since May 12, the feudal ``iqtidar-mafia`` has been in the process of (re-)discovering MQM as a ``terrorist`` organisation given that the feudal Nawabzadas, Sahibzadas, Khanzadas, Haramzadas , Makhdooms , Maliks, Bhuttos, Bugtis and Pirs who have ruled Pakistan since Liaquat Ali Khan`s martyrdom in 1951 have tried and failed to harm MQM from 1992-99.
These idiots do not realise that all the weapons that they can use against MQM from Jinnahpur to torture-cells to refusing to join in the ``tawaiful mulooki`` of feudal politics of Nawaz Sharif and Benazir have now run out.
Whilst MQM may not be without blame , it is the elected party of urban Sindh and third-rate loosely drafted ``factoid`` articles such as this one will ony serve to further the hatred and misunderstanding between Karachi and wherever else these feudals dream up their ideas.
I have said this before. What happened with the Chief Justice was wrong and I will accept valid criticism of MQM and Pervez Musharraf .
But pretending that MQM are more evil than Benazir or Nawaz and their feudal minions is harmful for national unity.
Thanks brother. What happened on the12th of May was sad. But instead of mud-slinging on Karachiites and their elected party may be everyone should look for consensus and compromise.
Take Beena Sarwar for example. I do not think she is very clever and her third-rate thord-party propaganda is certainly not an eyewitness account. It is a bit difficult for a heavy-set lady like Beena Sarwar to have moved all over Karachi on 12 May 07 ( especially when there are tankers and containers in the way, don`t you think?)
Since May 12, the feudal ``iqtidar-mafia`` has been in the process of (re-)discovering MQM as a ``terrorist`` organisation given that the feudal Nawabzadas, Sahibzadas, Khanzadas, Haramzadas , Makhdooms , Maliks, Bhuttos, Bugtis and Pirs who have ruled Pakistan since Liaquat Ali Khan`s martyrdom in 1951 have tried and failed to harm MQM from 1992-99.
These idiots do not realise that all the weapons that they can use against MQM from Jinnahpur to torture-cells to refusing to join in the ``tawaiful mulooki`` of feudal politics of Nawaz Sharif and Benazir have now run out.
Whilst MQM may not be without blame , it is the elected party of urban Sindh and third-rate loosely drafted ``factoid`` articles such as this one will ony serve to further the hatred and misunderstanding between Karachi and wherever else these feudals dream up their ideas.
I have said this before. What happened with the Chief Justice was wrong and I will accept valid criticism of MQM and Pervez Musharraf .
But pretending that MQM are more evil than Benazir or Nawaz and their feudal minions is harmful for national unity.
#49 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 1, 2007 7:45:05 am
#34 by Folio on May 31, 2007 10:12am PT
Sleembhai,
Are u on pepper diet now-a-days?``}
Folio,
NO - I am on an anti-BS jihad. :)
Sleembhai,
Are u on pepper diet now-a-days?``}
Folio,
NO - I am on an anti-BS jihad. :)
#48 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 1, 2007 7:43:43 am
#41 hassaruiwalla {``As a Pakistani , I do not blindly endorse any or all of Pervez Musharraf`s actions ..But by talking 1992-style feudal rubbish against MQM... you are only alienating us Karachiites from the national mainstream.
You feudals will still not get my votes in the next election the more lies you spread about MQM. ``}
Hassauriwalla,
Very good points and extremely well articulated. These people must think that we are very stupid. They want to oppress, denigrate, and reduce Urdu-speaking Mohajirs, then they expect us to remain silent AND join them in cutting off our legs - all for the sake of the ``unity`` of Pakistan as perceived by them. LOL.
You feudals will still not get my votes in the next election the more lies you spread about MQM. ``}
Hassauriwalla,
Very good points and extremely well articulated. These people must think that we are very stupid. They want to oppress, denigrate, and reduce Urdu-speaking Mohajirs, then they expect us to remain silent AND join them in cutting off our legs - all for the sake of the ``unity`` of Pakistan as perceived by them. LOL.
#47 Posted by Zeena on June 1, 2007 12:31:11 am
MQM is fascist and extremist Mafia , murderer of innocent Pakistani Karachiits........blocking democracy and supporting an army dictator.....and is founded by Zia Ul Huq( dictator), the chief founder of MQM............
MQM, a dream of a fascist(Zia) came true by him, flousrished under his umbrella and now flourishing under the tyranny of another dictator while sucking innocent people`s blood......
MQM, a dream of a fascist(Zia) came true by him, flousrished under his umbrella and now flourishing under the tyranny of another dictator while sucking innocent people`s blood......
#46 Posted by Zeena on June 1, 2007 12:08:46 am
Re:#45 zeemax ji
Thanks for this beautiful poetic verse. Very true!
Thank God I can read and write Urdu.
Re:#35 Urstruly sahib
Now I understand very clearly what you meant by your analogy of calling MQM(bandaars)...
I 100% agree with you..........yes, now MQM(Yazeeds) have no option left, but, to support Musharaf(yazeed).....
Thanks for this beautiful poetic verse. Very true!
Thank God I can read and write Urdu.
Re:#35 Urstruly sahib
Now I understand very clearly what you meant by your analogy of calling MQM(bandaars)...
I 100% agree with you..........yes, now MQM(Yazeeds) have no option left, but, to support Musharaf(yazeed).....
#44 Posted by tahmed32 on May 31, 2007 7:25:27 pm
further to #43: and if you really believe this, then i am sure you dont realize the self-contradiction in what you are saying either.
#43 Posted by tahmed32 on May 31, 2007 7:23:38 pm
hassauriwala: so you dont approve of all of musharraf`s actions against the cjp and at the same time you think us ``panjabi feudals`` are dramatizing the events of may 12 and being unfair to mqm who came out with guns merely to help out musharraf prevent the cjp from holding a peaceful demonstration to speak out for the basic rights of all Pakistanis? !!
do you really believe this?
do you really believe this?
#42 Posted by bjkumar on May 31, 2007 6:32:20 pm
#40 Kaptain sahib
Kindly desist from sher-o-shairi! :)
#41 Posted by hassauriwala on May 31, 2007 2:40:53 pm
“Here in Karachi, we avoid ‘name calling’ and ‘finger pointing’ due to fear of having our knees drilled…”
Just your knees drilled ? Or your feet shot as well ( by yourself?)
I am new to Chowk and a native of Karachi.
If feudal Punjabi fraudsters stop unnecessary dramatisation of 12 May 07 they will only be doing themselves and Pakistan a huge favour . So who was going to shoot you in the knees Beena Sarwar ? Was it the napaak Generals Janjua and Naseer Akhtar ? Or they B-team the Haqiqis?
What happened on 12 May 07 was sad . But you cannot blame Karachiites or MQM than you can blame us for the Ayub Khan ethnic riots of 1966.
Seeing that as feudal idiots you have very little respect for electoral mandates, it is not much use asking you to stop ethnic hatred by repeating old lies about MQM, a party which nearly always has been elected from Karachi since 1988.
I am not saying that you should not point fingers at MQM ( or how else would you make a living ?).
But yes, what happened on 12 May 07 and the death toll of 46 is small compared to the atrocious crimes against humanity such as 1971 when Pakistan was divided into two and a greater Pakistan (free from the Bengali majority ) was dreamt up by Pakistani paindoo feudals.
As a Pakistani , I do not blindly endorse any or all of Pervez Musharraf`s actions (against the Chief Justice) or even Altaf Hussain`s actions.
There is nothing incompatible in supporting Justice Choudhry`s principled stand with supporting Altaf Hussain and Pervez Musharraf at the same time. I know that sounds a bit tough on your simple villager brain.
But by talking 1992-style feudal rubbish against MQM (such as the ``Jinnahpur`` plan concieved by Brigadier Asif Haroon of Rawalpindi), you are only alienating us Karachiites from the national mainstream.
You feudals will still not get my votes in the next election the more lies you spread about MQM.
Just your knees drilled ? Or your feet shot as well ( by yourself?)
I am new to Chowk and a native of Karachi.
If feudal Punjabi fraudsters stop unnecessary dramatisation of 12 May 07 they will only be doing themselves and Pakistan a huge favour . So who was going to shoot you in the knees Beena Sarwar ? Was it the napaak Generals Janjua and Naseer Akhtar ? Or they B-team the Haqiqis?
What happened on 12 May 07 was sad . But you cannot blame Karachiites or MQM than you can blame us for the Ayub Khan ethnic riots of 1966.
Seeing that as feudal idiots you have very little respect for electoral mandates, it is not much use asking you to stop ethnic hatred by repeating old lies about MQM, a party which nearly always has been elected from Karachi since 1988.
I am not saying that you should not point fingers at MQM ( or how else would you make a living ?).
But yes, what happened on 12 May 07 and the death toll of 46 is small compared to the atrocious crimes against humanity such as 1971 when Pakistan was divided into two and a greater Pakistan (free from the Bengali majority ) was dreamt up by Pakistani paindoo feudals.
As a Pakistani , I do not blindly endorse any or all of Pervez Musharraf`s actions (against the Chief Justice) or even Altaf Hussain`s actions.
There is nothing incompatible in supporting Justice Choudhry`s principled stand with supporting Altaf Hussain and Pervez Musharraf at the same time. I know that sounds a bit tough on your simple villager brain.
But by talking 1992-style feudal rubbish against MQM (such as the ``Jinnahpur`` plan concieved by Brigadier Asif Haroon of Rawalpindi), you are only alienating us Karachiites from the national mainstream.
You feudals will still not get my votes in the next election the more lies you spread about MQM.
#40 Posted by kaptain on May 31, 2007 1:14:57 pm
Public image is very important to the MQM and the national outrage at their conduct may be the best prospect of compelling them to change their ways.”
Na badlay hein na badlein gey..
Hum yunhi goliyaan chalaatay rahein gey..
Na sotay hein na Sonay dein gey..
hum yuunhi Jinnah ko beyaraam kartay rahein gey..
Na badlay hein na badlein gey..
Hum yunhi goliyaan chalaatay rahein gey..
Na sotay hein na Sonay dein gey..
hum yuunhi Jinnah ko beyaraam kartay rahein gey..
#39 Posted by arjun2 on May 31, 2007 12:43:34 pm
#38 by Folio on May 31, 2007 12:23pm PT
absolutely...
absolutely...
#38 Posted by Folio on May 31, 2007 12:23:48 pm
Arjun,
Differences apart, we need to hear what he/she is telling (as long the posts are clean).
Differences apart, we need to hear what he/she is telling (as long the posts are clean).
#37 Posted by arjun2 on May 31, 2007 12:20:23 pm
he isn`t unbanned...his interact index is still 0. they`re modding individual posts up.
#36 Posted by Folio on May 31, 2007 11:40:22 am
Thanks to the hidden Chowk-staff chappies for unbanning Echoboom.
#35 Posted by Urstruly on May 31, 2007 10:13:16 am
Re: # 30
As a matter of fact, I feel quite sorry for MQM. There is a an urdu proverb that goes like ``puri jaati daikhiyay to aadhi dijiyay baant``. The background of this proverb is a monkey who gets his hand stuck in a candy jar because he wouldn`t want to give up some of his candies. It is an undeniable fact that during NS and BB era on both occassions, MQM became coalition partners with both governments. That was the right step tworads getting themselves legitimized out of their bastardized birth by a military midwifery. But both times they reneged at the the signal of military establishment and consequently were hunted like dogs. They did not learn their lesson and brought it upon themselves to be finally controlled by pests like themselves called the Haqeeqee group. The haqeeqee group exposed the myths of invicibility and the vote bank of MQM. I can understand that they had no choice but to support a dicatator, in 1998. But alas, as long as they have this cult like mindset and mafia like leadership and enforcers they will keep getting back to square one. On 4/11/06 they had a choice not to blow up the whole leadership of sunni tehrik at Nishtar park in order to vow their new masters in US. On 5/12 they also had a choice. Unfortunately they are running out of options now.
As a matter of fact, I feel quite sorry for MQM. There is a an urdu proverb that goes like ``puri jaati daikhiyay to aadhi dijiyay baant``. The background of this proverb is a monkey who gets his hand stuck in a candy jar because he wouldn`t want to give up some of his candies. It is an undeniable fact that during NS and BB era on both occassions, MQM became coalition partners with both governments. That was the right step tworads getting themselves legitimized out of their bastardized birth by a military midwifery. But both times they reneged at the the signal of military establishment and consequently were hunted like dogs. They did not learn their lesson and brought it upon themselves to be finally controlled by pests like themselves called the Haqeeqee group. The haqeeqee group exposed the myths of invicibility and the vote bank of MQM. I can understand that they had no choice but to support a dicatator, in 1998. But alas, as long as they have this cult like mindset and mafia like leadership and enforcers they will keep getting back to square one. On 4/11/06 they had a choice not to blow up the whole leadership of sunni tehrik at Nishtar park in order to vow their new masters in US. On 5/12 they also had a choice. Unfortunately they are running out of options now.
#33 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 31, 2007 10:10:03 am
HijRali1 - Go ahead and send that Gen. Bawaseer Lulla BuRbuR to Karachi.
And while you are at it, you may as well dig up the rotting corpse of Marhoom Gen. ``Ghazis if we win, Shaheed if we die`` Tiger Niazi Potohari and send his mutilated ass to Karachi also.
MQM has hired Gen(Retired) Ghazi Jagjit Singh Arora ``Daccawalla`` as a military consultant.
And while you are at it, you may as well dig up the rotting corpse of Marhoom Gen. ``Ghazis if we win, Shaheed if we die`` Tiger Niazi Potohari and send his mutilated ass to Karachi also.
MQM has hired Gen(Retired) Ghazi Jagjit Singh Arora ``Daccawalla`` as a military consultant.
#32 Posted by Folio on May 31, 2007 10:03:38 am
Urstruly,
Though I dont agree with whatever u write here, u are one of the well behaved Chowkies (unlike Zeemax). Echoboom is a fine guy with clean record, though he jumps with fury at all of us, he`s another nice guy with no record of direct expletives posted here.
Sadna need no certificate from me. She`s a woman with deeper insights into many issues. Even Ali-1 exhorted his Pakistani women not to waste time on tapestries, pastries and ice-fruits and post like Sadna. That`s itself is a veiled compliment.
Xena dahling,
Well said.
Though I dont agree with whatever u write here, u are one of the well behaved Chowkies (unlike Zeemax). Echoboom is a fine guy with clean record, though he jumps with fury at all of us, he`s another nice guy with no record of direct expletives posted here.
Sadna need no certificate from me. She`s a woman with deeper insights into many issues. Even Ali-1 exhorted his Pakistani women not to waste time on tapestries, pastries and ice-fruits and post like Sadna. That`s itself is a veiled compliment.
Xena dahling,
Well said.
#31 Posted by Zeena on May 31, 2007 9:56:33 am
#26 Folio sahib
Thanks for reminding us about echoboom.....
Chowk staff should unban Echoboom and sadna both....this is not fair.
Thanks for reminding us about echoboom.....
Chowk staff should unban Echoboom and sadna both....this is not fair.
#30 Posted by Zeena on May 31, 2007 9:54:20 am
Urstruly sahib
No, please they are not bandaars....don`t insult innocent and harmless creatures like bandaars by comparing them to MQM..
MQM(Yazeed butchers) butchered innocent Pakistani Karachiits, just like Imama Hussain and his family was butchered by Yazeed in Karbala......
No, please they are not bandaars....don`t insult innocent and harmless creatures like bandaars by comparing them to MQM..
MQM(Yazeed butchers) butchered innocent Pakistani Karachiits, just like Imama Hussain and his family was butchered by Yazeed in Karbala......
#29 Posted by Urstruly on May 31, 2007 9:53:21 am
Re: # 26
I agree with your concern. Disabling interactors permanently or for extended period of time like Echoboom and Sadna etc. is unfair and unjustified. I do not think either one of them has violated any so-called chowk policy more than anyone else. Why single them out??
While, it is quite ok to suspend an intercator for couple of days so that they could take their chill-pill and calm their nerves down but this permanent disablement reeks of a political agenda.
I agree with your concern. Disabling interactors permanently or for extended period of time like Echoboom and Sadna etc. is unfair and unjustified. I do not think either one of them has violated any so-called chowk policy more than anyone else. Why single them out??
While, it is quite ok to suspend an intercator for couple of days so that they could take their chill-pill and calm their nerves down but this permanent disablement reeks of a political agenda.
#28 Posted by Zeena on May 31, 2007 9:50:09 am
Re:#23 Urstruly sahib
Excellent!!!
You said it all in a very intelligent way.....
Excellent!!!
You said it all in a very intelligent way.....
#27 Posted by Zeena on May 31, 2007 9:47:28 am
Re:#24 Salim mian
Are you in your senses? what`s this?your religion and my religion......and who is ridiculing Imama Hussain?
First of all I myself do not believe in shia and sunni....all are Muslims....
Second, if, I do I am also Shia and sunni (both).......
Third, I am sharing my feelings of extreme sadness on the butcher of those innocent Pakistani Karachiits who got butchered @ the hands of MQM and Musharaf(Yazeed).
Kindly, try NOT to twist my analogy. I am also Shia/sunni Muslim...And Imama Hussain is not your property, he belongs to all Muslims equally.......
And since when it comes under insult to give such analogy for the butcher of innocent people?
When we see such innocent people being butchered in their own country, we always give such analogy and this shows our extreme respect for Imam Hussain...............
Yes, those 48 innocent Pakistani Karachiits were butchered in the streets of Karachi by Yazeed(MQM).............and that`s the fact...You can`t change the facts......
My religion is shia/sunni Muslim...So, what`s the point here?
Anyway, once again Imama Hussain is equally respectable for all Muslims regardless of shia and sunni.......Imama Hussain is not your commodity............He belongs to all of us......
take care
..........................................................................................................
All help was blocked by another Yazeed butcher(Musharaf)..................tsk,tsk,tsk.......
PS:-I will always use any analogy I wish..............I am not abusing anyone....I am expressing my sadness.
And we are not discussing shia and sunni here............please, try to stick to the topic of this article, if, you can......
And do not give me any kinds of threat that you won`t respect my religion.....I never asked you to respect my religion...go ahead disrespect my religion....and my religion is shia/sunni.....
Even,if, you start abusing me, I won`t....b/c I have nothing personal against you or anyone....all of you are strangers for me....
Bye
Are you in your senses? what`s this?your religion and my religion......and who is ridiculing Imama Hussain?
First of all I myself do not believe in shia and sunni....all are Muslims....
Second, if, I do I am also Shia and sunni (both).......
Third, I am sharing my feelings of extreme sadness on the butcher of those innocent Pakistani Karachiits who got butchered @ the hands of MQM and Musharaf(Yazeed).
Kindly, try NOT to twist my analogy. I am also Shia/sunni Muslim...And Imama Hussain is not your property, he belongs to all Muslims equally.......
And since when it comes under insult to give such analogy for the butcher of innocent people?
When we see such innocent people being butchered in their own country, we always give such analogy and this shows our extreme respect for Imam Hussain...............
Yes, those 48 innocent Pakistani Karachiits were butchered in the streets of Karachi by Yazeed(MQM).............and that`s the fact...You can`t change the facts......
My religion is shia/sunni Muslim...So, what`s the point here?
Anyway, once again Imama Hussain is equally respectable for all Muslims regardless of shia and sunni.......Imama Hussain is not your commodity............He belongs to all of us......
take care
..........................................................................................................
All help was blocked by another Yazeed butcher(Musharaf)..................tsk,tsk,tsk.......
PS:-I will always use any analogy I wish..............I am not abusing anyone....I am expressing my sadness.
And we are not discussing shia and sunni here............please, try to stick to the topic of this article, if, you can......
And do not give me any kinds of threat that you won`t respect my religion.....I never asked you to respect my religion...go ahead disrespect my religion....and my religion is shia/sunni.....
Even,if, you start abusing me, I won`t....b/c I have nothing personal against you or anyone....all of you are strangers for me....
Bye
#26 Posted by Folio on May 31, 2007 9:40:34 am
I am posting the UP thread of Echoboom.
(I cant get what Chowk staff does here. Sadna was disabled. So was Echoboom. Though both speak from opposite points of view, they deserve to be heard. On the scale of Ali-1 or Atif2, Echoboom wud look like a saint. Those two guys had unfettered freedom to post gaalis of the highest order, whereas Echoboom posts acceptable language though interspersed with milder gaalis).
N.B: I may or may not agree with Echo`s opinion.
Started by echoboom on May 31, 2007 6:30am PT
FROM:
Eyewitness: Karachi, May 12, 2007
Beena Sarwar
............
May I suggest that hence onwards the MQM goonda-e-azam be called :
Altaf Thhackray
Would somebody be kind enough to reprint this on my behalf on FP. thanks.
Once this tag becomes ``popular`` Altaf Thhacray would lose his grip...or so I hope.
(I cant get what Chowk staff does here. Sadna was disabled. So was Echoboom. Though both speak from opposite points of view, they deserve to be heard. On the scale of Ali-1 or Atif2, Echoboom wud look like a saint. Those two guys had unfettered freedom to post gaalis of the highest order, whereas Echoboom posts acceptable language though interspersed with milder gaalis).
N.B: I may or may not agree with Echo`s opinion.
Started by echoboom on May 31, 2007 6:30am PT
FROM:
Eyewitness: Karachi, May 12, 2007
Beena Sarwar
............
May I suggest that hence onwards the MQM goonda-e-azam be called :
Altaf Thhackray
Would somebody be kind enough to reprint this on my behalf on FP. thanks.
Once this tag becomes ``popular`` Altaf Thhacray would lose his grip...or so I hope.
#25 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 31, 2007 9:23:36 am
That damned brilliant guy who came up with the idea for a simultaneous rally on May 12 should be transferred to the new MQM office in the Rann of Kutch. Everything was going so well for MQM and Urdu-speakers before the tragic day of May 12, 2007:
HijRali1 was ready to join MQM and become its first transvestite member
Chutif2 was changing his Qibla to London
Kulharee Payee was going to admit that Mirza Goo Lame Tahmed never came - not even once, forget being last.
Ass Lame was going to offer her new-found virginity as a sacrifice on Peer Sahib`s altar of inter-ethnic kumbaya
Madame Flatulence was ready to saw off her lower half.
A Lie had sworn to be truthful, honest, and polite
Qumquat was ready to write Urdu poetry and take lessons in proper dickshun.
Chacha Chaar Sau Bees had purchased garlands of flowers to welcome returning Pakis ``stranded`` in BD
Maulana Stuka Singapuri was going to visit Karachi and compare it to Milan
Zeemax was set to receive numerous Lucknavi injections in his most sensitive orifice
BigShoe was going to start wearing Nawabi jootay on his earlobes as ornaments
Charlie was going to give up snails in favor of Bihari kababs
Mantolives was ready to wed three more Urdu-speakers to really impress the JI
But now, everything is off the table. The POPOs are mad and will never accept Mutarwa Raj. They are ready to invite Kaura Singh to take over Punjuland. Damn MQM - and we were so close to having POPOs kissing Mutarwa posteriors five times a day as a form of worship and adulation.
I guess some things were never meant to be. :(
HijRali1 was ready to join MQM and become its first transvestite member
Chutif2 was changing his Qibla to London
Kulharee Payee was going to admit that Mirza Goo Lame Tahmed never came - not even once, forget being last.
Ass Lame was going to offer her new-found virginity as a sacrifice on Peer Sahib`s altar of inter-ethnic kumbaya
Madame Flatulence was ready to saw off her lower half.
A Lie had sworn to be truthful, honest, and polite
Qumquat was ready to write Urdu poetry and take lessons in proper dickshun.
Chacha Chaar Sau Bees had purchased garlands of flowers to welcome returning Pakis ``stranded`` in BD
Maulana Stuka Singapuri was going to visit Karachi and compare it to Milan
Zeemax was set to receive numerous Lucknavi injections in his most sensitive orifice
BigShoe was going to start wearing Nawabi jootay on his earlobes as ornaments
Charlie was going to give up snails in favor of Bihari kababs
Mantolives was ready to wed three more Urdu-speakers to really impress the JI
But now, everything is off the table. The POPOs are mad and will never accept Mutarwa Raj. They are ready to invite Kaura Singh to take over Punjuland. Damn MQM - and we were so close to having POPOs kissing Mutarwa posteriors five times a day as a form of worship and adulation.
I guess some things were never meant to be. :(
#24 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 31, 2007 8:26:21 am
Zeena #22,
Zeena Sahiba,
I have requested you several times NOT to ridicule my religion. Please don`t trivialize the martyrdom of Imam Hussain. If you respect my religion, I promise to reciprocate. Thanks.
Zeena Sahiba,
I have requested you several times NOT to ridicule my religion. Please don`t trivialize the martyrdom of Imam Hussain. If you respect my religion, I promise to reciprocate. Thanks.
#23 Posted by Urstruly on May 31, 2007 7:09:05 am
BAANDER
Baander, means `monkey` - but for some reason, the word monkey does not reflect the full intent and meaning of what the word `baander` does. In my opinion, MQM is the latest victim of the anti-politics military establishment of Pakistan, which works relentlessly to make the politicians and political parties discredited in Pakistan. MQM is the latest baanders in that long list of baanders. Before them were the sirkari Moulvis who signed on the 17th ammendment, Muslim League, and People`s party and countless other riff raff. Now the number of baanders in the political process is far exceeding the number of decent and principled human beings. Meaning, there is no hope.
The creation of MQM by military was in fact an attempt by military establisment to feudalize the biggest urban and civic center of the nation. The attempt was successful. Today Karachi stand just as any other feudal fiefdom as in any other rural part in country, where nothing happens unless feudal lords want it. Karachi is now the same where new MQM feudal establishment has its own revenue collection (bhatta), private jails, torture cells, death squads; police and bureaucracy cannot lift a finger without the approval of the ``feudal lord``. God! what a regression.
So I would welcome all Karachiiites into the fold where the rest of the country is. Bohat uchchla karte they tum log. Who is the monkey now, Paindoos?
#22 Posted by Zeena on May 31, 2007 6:31:49 am
#17 Youtube about MQM (the Yazeed butcher) reminds me of Imam Hussain and his family being butchered in Karbala(Karachi) and there was no help for those innocent people.......No help
All help was blocked by another Yazeed butcher(Musharaf)..................tsk,tsk,tsk.......
All help was blocked by another Yazeed butcher(Musharaf)..................tsk,tsk,tsk.......
#21 Posted by echoboom on May 31, 2007 6:21:12 am
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#20 Posted by Fitaa on May 31, 2007 5:49:12 am
MQM is a party that governs through terrorizing people. I wont say much about May 12 but this is not a surprise for me as I was raised in Karachi, spent all my years among loyal MQM workers. The situation has improved a little from what it used to be but the fear of MQM is still felt by anyone living in karachi e.g. Currently on independent channels like GEO, ARY, you can almost criticize any leader in its news reporting openly but not Altaf. Even small things like parody of any politician but not th `Altaf Bhai. You cant even think of doing that. Its the fear ! Ask any journalist in Pakistan and he would think twice before writing anything against MQM and maybe think 10 times before writing anything against `Altaf Bhai` especially if the journalist is living in Karachi. I wonder why this reality is so hard to digest for MQM supporters. Any kid on the streets of karachi knows this.
#19 Posted by Jamesmaxwell on May 31, 2007 1:25:58 am
Musharraf and the MQM...terrorists, murderers, criminals.
#18 Posted by HP on May 30, 2007 10:50:59 pm
Amazingly, there are so many pictures available on the net, along with the TV footage and the pictures taken by the journalist (see post #3) and in private hands. But so far there has not been any effort to grab the people who clearly were seen firing randomly. Their faces are visible and they are easily identifiable. Why the Sindh government not putting those pictures on the TV and in Newspapers with some prize on their heads?
With so much identification available, how hard it would be to grab these people to start the process to bring these people to justice.
#17 Posted by HP on May 30, 2007 10:39:43 pm
Here is another report by a blogger with references that show that the whole thing was preplanned.
Salay sara kalay rung kay thhay
President of Pakistan says, ``Karachi nay aaj hummai’n apnee takat dikhaee.
``For me, the first indication of the coming slaughter took place on the night of 11 May when Geo reported that five unidentified men shot dead a private security guard employed by a shopkeeper who had refused to succumb to their demand to shut down his shop on Shahrah-e-Faisal (Drigh Road).
What was attention-grabbing was the fact that this shop was located at Falak Naz Plaza, the very point where the exiting road from the airport connects with Shahrah-e-Faisal.
Geo TV then quoted an MQM spokesman who blamed the murder on Punjabi-Pakhtoon Ittehad (PPI) but this was very soon contradicted by eyewitnesses who told Geo that the culprits were dark-skinned (‘kalay rung kay thay’), in other words they were suggesting that the killers were neither Punjabi nor Pathans. The insinuation was clear – according to them the killers were most likely members of the MQM.
Then, as The News reported on the morning of 12 May:
… the police in Karachi on late Friday night blocked sections of Shara-e-Faisal and its link roads, forcing hotels, shops and petrol pumps to close down. The law-enforcement agencies used containers and trucks to block streets and roads that open to Shara-e-Faisal.
After vehemently denying it for days the MQM finally confessed last week that it had been responsible for blockading all roads leading to Shara-e-Faisal, the arterial road linking the city to its airport:
Waseem Akhtar, adviser to the Sindh government and leader of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM), admitted … that he had directed the authorities concerned to block Shahra-e-Faisal with containers to stop the rallies on May 12.
And so on the morning of the Chief Justice’s arrival to Karachi Shahra-e-Faisal was hermetically sealed to all approaching traffic from Metropole Hotel all the way to the airport.
Soon after the Chief Justice’s plane landed heavy gunfire pervaded the air near Falak Naz Plaza once again, successfully blockading off the airport from Shahra-e-Faisal.
Then Geo TV began reporting heavy crossfire between the MQM and opposition rallies at most major intersections of Shahra-e-Faisal. This piece of news puzzled me greatly. How, I wondered, could the MQM rally which was centred on Bunder Road (also known as M. A. Jinnah Road) stumble upon opposition rallies which were clogged up at the various blockades on Shahra-e-Faisal some three miles away.
Subsequent live pictures from the scene cleared up this initial piece of misreporting. There was no meeting of opposing rallies and no crossfire, instead what we witnessed were dozens of gunmen positioned on the raised bridges and flyovers above Shahra-e-Faisal (at crossing such as Baloch Colony, Rashid Minhas Road, etc) intently engaged in a turkey shoot of opposition party supporters. With their cars and vans all jammed up at the block points on Shahra-e-Faisal there was little room for the hapless victims to find shelter. A massacre ensued.
To the best of my knowledge no MQM supporter is believed to have died near the vicinity of Shahra-e-Faisal. However, it is common knowledge that a handful of MQM people did die on 12 May. It now emerges that these persons were killed that day during a ferocious gun battle west of Bunder Road. Here the MQM gunmen encountered a heavily armed jihadi/MMA mob who took them on bullet for bullet. This should not come as a surprise to anyone as this part of town neighbours the vast Binori Masjid madarassa complex.
For those still unconvinced about MQM’s role in the carnage, I suggest they take a look this video clip available on YouTube.com (‘Real Face of MQM Exposed’) which contradicts their spurious claims of innocence.
It should also be noted that while MQM gunmen were freely wandering around Karachi with their lethal automatic weapons, Sindh’s MQM controlled Home Department ensured that Karachi police remained completely weaponless for that day.
As the Daily Times reported the next day:
KARACHI: Police personnel in Sindh were still weaponless Sunday, one day after Saturday’s bloodbath. The Sindh home department had directed the police departments to take back the weapons of all personnel deployed to control law and order on May 12, sources disclosed to Daily Times. Most of the police were given batons instead. Around 15,000 policemen were deployed to control the situation on Saturday. However, most of the policemen preferred to stay away from the violent areas on May 12 because they had no weapons.
A few hours after being stunned by the scenes of death and destruction in Karachi I was staggered to see a prancing Musharraf raise both his fists in the air and tell a gathered rent-a-crowd in Islamabad ‘Karachi nay aaj hummai’n apnee takat dikhaee’.
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#16 Posted by Zeena on May 30, 2007 7:10:11 pm
Dear Writer
Very timely article and eye witness news by an authentic and sensitive journalist by you made me cry...........As I was reading each and every word of your article, I was viewing al the innocent people being butcherd in the streets of Karachi and there was no help for them................It reminds me of Imama Hussain and his familybeing butchered in Karbala...
We can call MQM and Musharaf Pakistani VAMPIRES who sucked the blood of innocent Pakistanis May12th........they out dated dracula....
Nero(Mushy) was playing his fiddle,while Rome(Pakistan) was burning May, the 12th.....
In this process MQM and Musharaf are forgetting one word,{KARMA}...soon they will realize the meaning of this idiom,``as you sow so shall you reap``...
Soon there will be a marry go round and they will see, what goes around that comes around........
After seeing innocent people being killed on the streets of Pakistan ........
I can only wish,if, someday someone could drag Altaf (MQM) and Musharaf out of his black staff car and keep them dragging on the streets of Karachi till they both die...how will they and their families feel?
Let`s see, Pakistani people will remain sleeping or will wake up out of their slumber..... This is the dark day in the History of Pakistan..We should never forget May 12th......When Musharaf and Altaf(MQM) played with the innocent blood after butchering them on the streets of Karachi...
Alive nations never forget their national tragedies, they always remember just to get prepared for future.....and always learn big lessons from them....
This is a big slap and gift from Musharaf for Pakistanis...this is a big wake up call and an eye opener.........
Musharaf,you have to exit.......but, not via proper door....you have already closed that proper front door.....run as far as you can....via back door, if, any left........or why don`t you get a Canadian visa( the way you suggested it for other Pakistanis).....remember..I hope you don`t have dementia.....
Musharaf,``you have to add one last chapter in your book(in the line of fire) or may be you wish to change the name in to,``Mushy playing fiddle while Pakistan was burning in the line of fire.``
Very true.........sigh*
..............................................................................................
Go Musharaf Go....
I truly believe that CJP has all the rights to have peaceful rallies,they did their peaceful demonstrations throughout Pakistan with no riots, with no blood shed. CJP`s right to go to Karachi is within the constitution of Pakistan and no one can snatch that right from him or from other citizens of Pakistan as long as they are marching peacefully.
Now, Karachi is not a separate country, Karachi is an integral part of Pakistan.
MQM ( so called champions of democracy and champions of poor people`s rights) disrupted CJP`s right to come to Karachi and started attacking and harrassing other peaceful people of Karachi who set the stage for the demonstrations.Not only harrassed them, they started gun fires and started killing innocent Pakistanis for NO reason at all.
And the most tragic and shameful aspect of all this tragedy is MQM( a political party) did all these killings purely for the support of Musharaf, the worst dictator.Why?
Obviously,Musharaf and MQM are from the same ethnic background. So, MQM`s shameless support for Musharaf proves one thing for sure, that MQM was/is/will never ever be a sincere and loyal political party...A political party means who works for the establishment of pure democracy.
What kind of crap party is this? which is supporting an illegitimate Army dictator, just because of his ethnicity and in this process MQM puts Mushy`s dictatorship above democracy.........Sad haan.
Few days back MQM has had their rally against Mullahs....Mullahs did not kill anyone at least, they just broke CDs and closed some music stores......they made a big fuss about it and label it as law breaking Mullahs( I am not in favor of those Mullahs either)
Now, who broke the law more, those who killed innocent Pakistanis or who broke few CDs?
Who broke the law, those who are supporting an illegitimate dictator based on his ethnicity and killing and brutalizing hundreds of innocent Pakistanis?
Now, who broke the law more, those who illegally snatched CJP`s right to come to Karachi or those who wished to have peaceful rallies?
Now , who broke the law, those who are doing everything to sabotage the democracy or those who wished to furnish democracy?
Now, who sabotaged the law and created all this lawlessness in Karachi....MQM and Musharaf.......
We will never ever forgive both of them for the blood shed of poor Pakistanis........they have to answer ..........sitting in London and ordering for all these riots doesn`t give us the answers........
Altaf Pai and MQM are the gifts of Zia ul huq to Pakistan and now Pakistan has to suffer and Karachi is burning since then......................
Musharaf and MQM are just a disgrace to Pakistan.......Musharaf`s son Bilal is safe in Boston.......
But, those who got killed on the streets of Karachi, their mothers are crying tonight and their children might not get any food tomorrow,b/c their fathers are gone....they are now orphans, they will go hungry to beds....with tears of helplessness...................
sad, sad, sad................
Media is helpless, Geo tv is helpless, Pakistanis are helpless...Musharaf and MQM are in power..........Let`s see how much more blood shed these monsters will suck before leaving their dictatorship.......
Very timely article and eye witness news by an authentic and sensitive journalist by you made me cry...........As I was reading each and every word of your article, I was viewing al the innocent people being butcherd in the streets of Karachi and there was no help for them................It reminds me of Imama Hussain and his familybeing butchered in Karbala...
We can call MQM and Musharaf Pakistani VAMPIRES who sucked the blood of innocent Pakistanis May12th........they out dated dracula....
Nero(Mushy) was playing his fiddle,while Rome(Pakistan) was burning May, the 12th.....
In this process MQM and Musharaf are forgetting one word,{KARMA}...soon they will realize the meaning of this idiom,``as you sow so shall you reap``...
Soon there will be a marry go round and they will see, what goes around that comes around........
After seeing innocent people being killed on the streets of Pakistan ........
I can only wish,if, someday someone could drag Altaf (MQM) and Musharaf out of his black staff car and keep them dragging on the streets of Karachi till they both die...how will they and their families feel?
Let`s see, Pakistani people will remain sleeping or will wake up out of their slumber..... This is the dark day in the History of Pakistan..We should never forget May 12th......When Musharaf and Altaf(MQM) played with the innocent blood after butchering them on the streets of Karachi...
Alive nations never forget their national tragedies, they always remember just to get prepared for future.....and always learn big lessons from them....
This is a big slap and gift from Musharaf for Pakistanis...this is a big wake up call and an eye opener.........
Musharaf,you have to exit.......but, not via proper door....you have already closed that proper front door.....run as far as you can....via back door, if, any left........or why don`t you get a Canadian visa( the way you suggested it for other Pakistanis).....remember..I hope you don`t have dementia.....
Musharaf,``you have to add one last chapter in your book(in the line of fire) or may be you wish to change the name in to,``Mushy playing fiddle while Pakistan was burning in the line of fire.``
Very true.........sigh*
..............................................................................................
Go Musharaf Go....
I truly believe that CJP has all the rights to have peaceful rallies,they did their peaceful demonstrations throughout Pakistan with no riots, with no blood shed. CJP`s right to go to Karachi is within the constitution of Pakistan and no one can snatch that right from him or from other citizens of Pakistan as long as they are marching peacefully.
Now, Karachi is not a separate country, Karachi is an integral part of Pakistan.
MQM ( so called champions of democracy and champions of poor people`s rights) disrupted CJP`s right to come to Karachi and started attacking and harrassing other peaceful people of Karachi who set the stage for the demonstrations.Not only harrassed them, they started gun fires and started killing innocent Pakistanis for NO reason at all.
And the most tragic and shameful aspect of all this tragedy is MQM( a political party) did all these killings purely for the support of Musharaf, the worst dictator.Why?
Obviously,Musharaf and MQM are from the same ethnic background. So, MQM`s shameless support for Musharaf proves one thing for sure, that MQM was/is/will never ever be a sincere and loyal political party...A political party means who works for the establishment of pure democracy.
What kind of crap party is this? which is supporting an illegitimate Army dictator, just because of his ethnicity and in this process MQM puts Mushy`s dictatorship above democracy.........Sad haan.
Few days back MQM has had their rally against Mullahs....Mullahs did not kill anyone at least, they just broke CDs and closed some music stores......they made a big fuss about it and label it as law breaking Mullahs( I am not in favor of those Mullahs either)
Now, who broke the law more, those who killed innocent Pakistanis or who broke few CDs?
Who broke the law, those who are supporting an illegitimate dictator based on his ethnicity and killing and brutalizing hundreds of innocent Pakistanis?
Now, who broke the law more, those who illegally snatched CJP`s right to come to Karachi or those who wished to have peaceful rallies?
Now , who broke the law, those who are doing everything to sabotage the democracy or those who wished to furnish democracy?
Now, who sabotaged the law and created all this lawlessness in Karachi....MQM and Musharaf.......
We will never ever forgive both of them for the blood shed of poor Pakistanis........they have to answer ..........sitting in London and ordering for all these riots doesn`t give us the answers........
Altaf Pai and MQM are the gifts of Zia ul huq to Pakistan and now Pakistan has to suffer and Karachi is burning since then......................
Musharaf and MQM are just a disgrace to Pakistan.......Musharaf`s son Bilal is safe in Boston.......
But, those who got killed on the streets of Karachi, their mothers are crying tonight and their children might not get any food tomorrow,b/c their fathers are gone....they are now orphans, they will go hungry to beds....with tears of helplessness...................
sad, sad, sad................
Media is helpless, Geo tv is helpless, Pakistanis are helpless...Musharaf and MQM are in power..........Let`s see how much more blood shed these monsters will suck before leaving their dictatorship.......
#15 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 30, 2007 3:45:25 pm
khamy1 #9 {``knowing the reputation of MQM , anybody with the least bit of common sense would attend any political rally armed to the teeth if it`s against the interest of MQM ``}
Qumquat,
So these guys were prepared and went looking for a gunfight and they got one? They killed a few and few of them were killed. Sounds tragic, violent, but quite premeditated.
Qumquat,
So these guys were prepared and went looking for a gunfight and they got one? They killed a few and few of them were killed. Sounds tragic, violent, but quite premeditated.
#14 Posted by bjkumar on May 30, 2007 1:47:38 pm
May 12, 2007 is a day which - from the accounts read here and elsewhere - shall forever live in infamy in the history of Pakistan!
It proves once and for all - if such proof be needed at all - that power without accountability leads to the worst form of degradation of the soul!
The culprits - and I mean the REAL culprits, not the mere stooges in the streets - must be held accountable!
But how does one make accountable the chore bhaya koatwaal - in the umpteenth repetition of an apparently permanent ritual - in that khoon ki holi forever ongoing in that country?!
#13 Posted by chaltahai on May 30, 2007 12:49:55 pm
Beena Sarwar is gonna get it from Aisha Sarwari (any relation?) because of the following statement... ``its rivals are hardly Gandhian in their outlook, which is what it would require to remain unarmed and peaceful in the face of the threat that day. ``
#12 Posted by beenasarwar on May 30, 2007 12:32:26 pm
The MQM is certainly not the only party that wields arms in Karachi - its rivals are hardly Gandhian in their outlook, which is what it would require to remain unarmed and peaceful in the face of the thre