Pakistan – The Threat From Within

Re: # 277

Massaddi Mian:

``....neither does he recognize the trick of the US companies whose items, manufactured abroad but sent back home are shown as ``imports``, thus all the relocated manufacturing concerns of the US contribute to the fictional so-called ``trade deficit`` with the poor nation... ``

Is this all you have learned and now teaching in Pakistan? What did they do to deserve, they honestly went their to get education, and parents think their sons and daughters are getting. Pathetic split toungue talker, faking as a teacher.

Re: # 277

masadi,

...... i don`t have the time to educate a fool like you but tata steel, reliance industries and bharat forge are not american companies .......... the last time i sourced precision injection molded parts, more than ten indian companies responded and two of them won a substantial part of the business ............ all this while you are spewing hatred and preaching the virtues of mills to your `students` in pakistan - the poor fools don`t have a chance

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hamid writes <<< masadi, ......... i wish i could share your angst which, i can tell, is killing you ...... but i honestly can`t becausse............. been `berry berry good` to me and my sprinkler guy from domeli, district rawalpindi >>>

It is not about you or I or your sprinkler guy who is well known to all here thanks to your over generalized (and thus BS) Horatio Alger story about him, it is about the vast majority of humankind struggling to survive within a system dominated by the US elite, over half live in extreme poverty and the rest live marginal lives, the toys and trinkets and infrastructure you see that so impresses you serves only the very very few among the world`s population, you`d be very selfish to ignore such a system`s effect short term and a fool to think you`re or your kids are immune from the effects of such a disastrous system, long term.

Inspite of the vile sh** coming from your pervertedly sick mind time and again, I feel there might be some atom of decency and conscience based on justice and truth in that dung infested mind of yours that is why I spend time answering your ignorant posts, but I think I might have overestimated the ``good`` in you. Think about it tonight while sipping your favourite beverage...

Re: # 274

Massaddi Mian:

``It is not about you or I or your sprinkler guy who is well known to all here thanks to your over generalized (and thus BS) Horatio Alger story about him,....``

Stop taking Religio-Social opium, so that your mind can get out of the hang over to think, and open your eyes. This is not an isolated example, Reliance, Infosys among many in the Sub continent, and many examples are in Silicon Valley.

``...you`d be very selfish to ignore such a system`s effect short term and a fool to think you`re or your kids are immune from the effects of such a disastrous system, long term...``

Follow my above advise and try to read and understand phenomenon of upward mobility. I truly feel for the kids you are corrupting and spoiling their ability to dream. If you are unable to read, accept someone as your guru to teach you.

Chaltahai writes <<< There is no co-relation between US being tied to the ruling insitution or not tied to the ruling institution for a country to fail. How many examples would you like? The fault lies with Pakistanis and pakistanis alone >>>

I see you are boasting about your unnamed institution but unfortunately they didn`t instruct you on the correct spelling of correlation. There is indeed correlation between the position of a country in the global division of labor and its economic, political, and military relationship with the developed world and their level of development. Your unnamed instituion didn`t teach you that as well. Give me ONE example of a country that maintained the same old institutional structure dominated by the US elite, doing its deeds while ignoring its own masses and then developing consistently as a result. There is not a single example. There are examples to the contrary and we have the long history of colonization and now neo-colonization that works through such institutions to keep a country underdeveloped, mass robbery wouldn`t be possible otherwise. We have not only implicit evidence but explicit evidence of leaked plans like Project Camelot, and recently the US barbaric invasion of Iraq using all BS excuses in the book that provide ample evidence on what these higher terrorists plan and want.

Then this idiot writes:

<<< what happened when china and INdia had ``unaligned themselves`` from the ``US dominated economic system``...their citizens hurt the most >>>

There is zero proof that poverty in these regions was worse when they were unaligned, and there is ample evidence that their unalignment saved them during the lost decades of the third world and even more evidence that the ``West`` has become interested in them because they achieved more development in human and industrial terms that makes them more valuable today to those that would rob them. Get your facts straight, illiterate fool rather than teach me or tell me to see HDI indicators or threaten me with ``examples`` which are ``missing``, HDI does not measure or compare poverty among nations, find out what it is composed of before trying to tell me look at it, you have no clue, I know

The percent of the population living below the poverty level is much worse in India than in Pakistan given World Bank data, and given the data COMPOSING the human poverty Index of the UN, except for illiteracy numbers, India is worse off in all other indicators than Pakistan, worse in percent that wont survive till 40, worse in people having no access to clean water, Worse in underweight children. What indicators do you want to show me fool?

You fools, that tout the IT miracle are a disgrace regardless of the institution you attended, in fact your poverty situation is much worse than it was in the unaligned times, you all invent tricks to fool the people regarding nonsense poverty measures but you dont fool me and you dont fool international organizations like the UN.

When a country`s institutions, historically designed by the colonials and maintained in the same fashion by later relations with the neo colonials ensure that the vast majority of the people will live dependent lives in poverty regardless of cell phone showmanship and ring tones and what not, then those poor cannot be blamed for not having enough education to compete with those that are born in privilage, they cannot be expected to have the same psychological outlook towards life that brings objective opportunities, they cannot be blamed because they are victims. And FOOLS like you, who talk big about their educational institutions, and I have beaten in grade point average all of you ``techie types`` during my educational career in the US, all of you, from India, Pakistan, China or whereever, even though I was putting in 60 hour work weeks while going to school full time, then have the audacity to teach me stuff, they don`t themselves know.

Re: # 273

masadi,

you are a pathetic delusional fool !........... the fact of the matter is that india`s exports to the us grew from 13B in 2003 to over $24B in 2006 including over 3B in engineered products like automotive parts (and that does not include services like engineering, r&d and back office)......... the us trade deficit with india was over $10B ............. on top of that us companies like ibm, hp, gm and ge have hired tens of thousands of indian professionals at high salaries that continue to grow at an alarming rate (alarming for employers and customers) ........... the indian middle class continues to grow and soon there will be a starbucks on every corner in bangalore - remember, starbucks is the gold standard of prosperity and civilization ..........

......... and all this while you are still struggling with manufacturing suicide belts that work .......... i know that you are bitter that you can`t get a real job, but you should have gone to a better school and worked harder instead of feeling sorry for yourself ............... you can do it even now - send for a mail order phd from pacific coastal and i am sure dr ata will give you a job ......... but for god`s sake, stop whining

#269 Aslam,
I was too quick to criticize. Upon further reflection, thanks to the fondness of Paki Punju men for the frontier culture as in PPI (Punjab/Pakhtoon Inc), is it any wonder that young Punju girls have to pleasure themselves? :)

Aslam #267.
Is this the opposite side of the Jamia Hifza hit record? Punju girls behaving badly. :)

Masadi writes: ``Just because you are illiterate does not mean your arguments hold water. If the US was so deeply connected to a ruling institution in a country that was leading it down the drain then you would see similar arguments coming out of the intelligent folk in both India and China. ``

There is no co-relation between US being tied to the ruling insitution or not tied to the ruling institution for a country to fail. How many examples would you like? The fault lies with Pakistanis and pakistanis alone..because they did build any other institutions for a country`s development outside the military. And as far my literacy goes, let me put it to you this way, you wouldn`t even be allowed to mop the floors of the insitutions where I studied. Middling GIT!

``There is a lot of criticism of the US policies coming out of both countries, just because you are naively unaware of it does not mean it doesn`t exist. When both India and China during a much longer priod of history than the current had unaligned themselves from the US dominated economic system, their logic was based on much the same arguments as mine.``

ANd what happened when china and INdia had ``unaligned themselves`` from the ``US dominated economic system``...their citizens hurt the most. Yet since 1978 and 1991, China and INdia respectively have been improving the lot of their citizens by integrating into the very ``US dominated economic system`` you lament. Go across HDI indicators, Financial indicators, Economic indicators..the number simply don`t support your assertion. And just becasue a few retarted khilafaites and latterday Engles think that their alternatives are better, it doesn`t mean that it is so.

``Regarding the world ``chugging along``, which world are you talking about, India? where more people per 100 live below the poverty rate than Pakistan? What kind of development is that? The world is going from bad to worse, the winners are just the select few handpicked Caucasian countries or a couple other US restructured and occupied countries, the rest of the world is in the gutter, some more than others. ``

Yes chugging along, from 1991 on out, India has been making important strides in improving the lot of it`s citizenry. Go check any indicator mentioned above. AS far as comparison to Pakistan..there is no comparison. the rate of growth and improvement in the lives of Indians is happening at a much more rapid pace than in Pakistan.

ANd before you come back with some stupid argument about income distribution and like..go read Jagdish Bhagwati (Kaleidoscope of Growth), the man will win a Nobel in Economics in the next 2 years. WHile you would be dancing about with glee at the thought of your third rate college having accepted your fourth rate ideas per the curiculum.

rf/hamidm: whatever you say, the fact is that muslim men mess around no more and no less than any other men. Using the incidence of AIDs as an indicator of promiscuity, its relatively low prevalence in Pakistan relative to most third world countries should mean something.

But dont let me spoil the fun with stupid things like facts.... :-)

Re: # 265

tahmed,

amen, brother ......... actually i am more concerned about the high incidence of hoof and mouth disease among humans in nwfp (you can see some of it on chowk) ....... i think we should pass this `temporary` marriage law as soon as possible to protect our people and, more importantly, protect our farm animals from human predators ..........

Re: # 266
#266 by hamidm2 on June 3, 2007 6:52am PT
hamidm
for all we know the girls at jamia hafsia might be doing what these are…..astagferullah

Re: # 267

Dear Aslam644 (My Hero),

Girls gone wild (GGW) in Pakistan, Mashallah. Did u notice the girl smooching adjusting her dupatta to protect her modesty. Goes to show cultural values are subject to conditoning and social pressures whereas human basic instincts are universal.

Re: # 267

You are my hero.....Jee rukh

zeemax #256: The vast majority of countries in the world today have reasonably free and fair elections. So, I think time is on the side of those who seek the same in Pakistan. Whether it will happen as an immediate result of the current effort led by the CJP and supported by all political parties, or whether this attempt will fail, who knows. If it fails that would be terrible, but one point has already been made - the people of Pakistan have the spirit of a free people, and will not be enslaved forever by those with the biggest guns. It is a question of time before Pakistan comes back on track and joins the free nations of the world, rather than becoming another miserable general-ruled state like Burma.