Pakistani Media to Face Wrath of the Government

anil sahib,

i too watched the video of imran khan and he is, imho, a really honest man who would be GREAT for pakistan if he was allowed to implement his vision as stated by him. to be fair to him he didn`t say `hum parliament khaali karwa denge`` what he said was that if those two laws or articles 62 and 63 are applied to every MP then the whole parliament will become empty! in other words, if you think the MQM can remove me due to application of these laws then by the same set of laws the entire parliament would be disqualified. i am not sure but these articles must be something to do with the moral and ethical behaviour of an MP being in accordance with islamic principals. imran`s point is valid. everyone and his uncle knows what MPs of all colours get up to in their private lives with mistresses and god knows what else! imho that should be no one`s business but their own but imran`s point is valid still. his `problem` being that his escapades and dalliances with the fairer sex in the past have not exactly been subtle! but i think that has nothing to do with his present or his politics and the fascist Altaf Hussain and his MQM are just pissed at imran for threatening to take their leader altaf to court in the UK.

Zeena:

You have stated yourself to be the ardent supporter of democracy, secularism and religion being personal matter. In addition, you have committed yourself to social work through your burn center. Remarkable commitment and its demonstration that it is not talk the walk, but really walk the walk. In their own commitments, Sadna and Arjun do the same, although to you their causes may be useless.

I watched Imran Khan video that you posted. He was a student in England when I was and therefore had followed his cricket career ever since.

Don`t you think, right now Pakistan needs institution builders, and pepole who remain committed to the three - democracy, secularism and religion in personal space, no matter what? This commitment must not change. The support must be unwavering and more to the institutions that to the persons? Because if these institutions are built strong then people can come and go through them without destroying the institutions. In this regard, I tend to support Gandhi and Nehru over Jinnah. Jinnah quit and even withdrew from political scene to practice in England for a while, now people can give their own interpretations to it. The fact remains he did withdrew, whereas the other two, and many others remained in jail. You cannot igonre this historical fact, although this fact like any other can be interpretted in many ways.

In this aspect, I have my serious doubts about Imran Khan, especially after watching the video you posted.

During the discussion, he talks about some constitutional article 62 / 63, and says if applied, ``Parliamnet Khaali Karwaa Denge``. This talk is no different than the talk of a dictator, who puts himself / herself ahead of the institutions.

He has failed to demonstrate the hinking which is better expressed spontaneously as saying ``Parliament mein log elect karenge jo articles 62 63 ko amend karne ke liye vote denge...``

Think about it, and probably continue your search for a true democractic force first, than accept a person first.

masadi..

perhaps I misunderstood..thanks for clarifying that...



the value of sociologists for THEIR OWN society`s economic well being by being informants due to their knowledge of the potential for internal conflict in Latin American countries


In any case, show me the money...show me where the sociologists were gainfully employed...economists are regularly employed by financial firms..writers write books that people buy...how do sociologists make money or contribute to the economy outside of being in a university on taxpayer dole?

Re: # 107

Urstruly,

Yaar, seriously was this supposed to go in a ugly photo contest?

The sob in #111 was claiming that sociologists have no role in the economy and the well being of the people, and the field is useless. Regarding that bs assertion, I informed him of project camelot where the US elite saw the value of sociologists for THEIR OWN society`s economic well being by being informants due to their knowledge of the potential for internal conflict in Latin American countries and how that could be suppressed in order to keep non democratic governments in power, and I also informed him that sociologists being aware of the working of a society are in a much better position than economists to build consciousness among people for their betterment.

This answer he perverted, in his usual dishonest and immoral fashion to conclude that the only gainful employment for sociologists is being tools of imperial powers. Dishonest AHs like him need to ignored.

#109 by masadi on June 7, 2007 10:01am PT


as regards the US elite


You`ve openly admitted that the only way you can find gainful employment for your skills is when some imperial power wants to supress democracies...that`s the only time anyone will hire you....

Zeena #53 {``Salim mian on the other hand has proven himself a real gentleman on this board.......Salim Mian .I am so very proud of you.....We both are standing up for absolutely different causes,but, we both did not disrespect each other, rather we acknowledged eachother`s POVs......
Now, this is the kind of democracy that we need...
Salim Mian
You have set an excellent example of democracy.....Please, teach tahmed and others the same democratic attitude.Thanks ``}

Zeena Behen,
Thank you for respecting my point of view and for acknowledging that, while we may have differences in opinion, we need to allow everyone to speak and present their viewpoints. I have always found you to be polite, compassionate, intelligent, and caring. Your motives are usually right and you take a stand. While we may agree as in the case of the Jamia Hifsa ladies or disagree about laying the entire blame on MQM for the May 12 tragedy, we both manage to respect each other.

I have been trying to convince Mr. Tahmed against his deep-seated bigotry against Urdu-speaking Mohajirs and especially his vehement opposition to the repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakistanis in BD. Unfortunately, this person, who normally tries to come across as a liberal democrat and a patriotic person, is in reality a hypocrite. He abandons all values of freedom, fairplay, and democracy when it suits his bigotry and embraces the same values when it suits his ethnic agenda. I think that he is far worse than the genuinely abusive and annoying characters like Zeemax, Ali1, Atif2, Ally, Khamkhwa, and Ass Lame.

Thanks for your post.

bjk writes <<< Sir, I have not read all the interacts but am surprised at your choice of using expletives! >>>

Sorry to have upset your sensibilities, sometimes frustration at knowing the obvious but being powerless to do anything about it results in expletive use, as regards the US elite and their supporters like tahmed who are killing our folk directly and indirectly, expletive use is quite mild, others by their posts deserve those expletives, where they are misplaced, I apologize...

Re:#85 mohar sahib

Yes, I agree with you.Unfortunately, BB, Nawaz and others are proven failed politicians.

But, still I believe that the worst kind of democracy is much much more better than the military govt..................and that`s the fact.

Pakistan has had been hijacked by Military rulers most of the years........and whenever army has to plunder and loot poor pakistanis, they hijack them and then start taking their own advantages, and that`s another cruel fact......

Yes, it`s the people who need to realise that and again it`s the people who should say,NO to army..................

ARIF JAAN - Victim of criminal aggresion of NaPak Fouj upon the people of Pakistan