Pakistani Media to Face Wrath of the Government

Let Pakistan Traffic Warden Singh teach the military what wearing the uniform means - service to the nation. Not taking over the nation.


LAHORE - June 06: Sardar Ghulab Singh, a traffic warden, helps a rickshaw driver near the AG’s Office. — APP


Let Pakistan Lawyers teach the military what wearing the uniform means - defending the rule of law in the nation. Not breaking it.


LAHORE - June 07: Lawyers determined to hold rallies on every Thursday. —Dawn

Re:#115 anil

Addition to #117.....[[[In their own commitments, Sadna and Arjun do the same, although to you their causes may be useless. ]]]

anil sahib
As for as sadna is , I respect and admire her uniqueness and intelligence right from the beginning. This Indian lady has earned her respect in my eyes. And you know why?

Here are the reasons:-
#1:-Although, sadna and I disagree 98% of the times. She is pro-Indian and I am rigid Pro- Pakistani. She is anti-Pakistan and I am NOT anti-India. But, she never ever uttered a single word of personal disrespect , cyber harrasement, personal attack and she never ever tried to dig out my personal info, she never tried to humiliate me for being pakistani.

#2:-sadna, always comes up with valid discussions totally related to the topic of the article and does not personally attack other readers.

Now, if, you compare me with sadna....

#1:- I am NOT anti India, infact I like Indians as our neighbors and as progressive and hard working nation.

#2:-I never try to cyber harrass, personally attack, or dig out personal info or abuse Indians based on their nationality.

#3:- My agenda is exclusively based on Pakistan`s progress and Pakistan`s better establishment and ultimately better life for all Pakistanis on equal basis.

#4:- I am interested in India only to the extent that India is our neighbor..Even though Indians see us as their enemies, I don`t view them as my enemies......honestly I don`t.....

Now come to arjun2`s agenda..................

Sorry, I totally disagree with you here....arjun2`s agenda is to cyber harrass me, to personally attack me, to abuse me, to humiliate me....................most of the times I do not read his threads on un plugged and here on front page just because this man is full of hatred for Pakistanis for NO reason at all.

arjun2 doesn`t have any agenda, he is a clear cut cyber harrasser, abuser and his only agenda is to spread hate and spread negativity on chowk 24/7........................

I am sorry,if, you call arjun2`s below the belt stuff and hateful personal attacks as agenda and as some useful source of energy, then I am surprised for an intellectual like yourself, who is unable to distinguish between personal abuse and agenda..............

If, you think arjun2 is serving good for Indians, then you`re totally wrong. This person is totally screwed up, he is clueless and he is actually harming reputation of the rest of the Indians.

Honestly, arjun2 is the reason I have started feeling hatred for Indians and I know I shouldn`t feel that, but, arjun2`s hate ful agenda ( based on personal attacks and abuse and belittling all chowkie Pakistanies) including me is not an agenda,but, an abuse of cyber space........Just think about it.

yes, I do admit that quite few times arjun2`s personal abuse for me provoked me to retaliate against him............Still I believe arjun2 is NOT a reflection of all Indians........

Indians have sadna(who is highly intellectual) and then arjun2 ( the cyber abuser)............

I hope you understand and see the crystal clear difference......
Regards

Re: # 118

Zeena:
#118
“..She is pro-Indian and I am rigid Pro- Pakistani. She is anti-Pakistan and I am NOT anti-India….”

This probably summarizes the differences between the two of you quite well, and your remaining points about Sadna show that you are open to listening to the viewpoints which do not coincide with yours. This is the basis of pluralism. To me creativity is synthesization of known ideas. A person is more likely to create something new from opposite ideas than with identical ideas.

“….arjun2 doesn`t have any agenda, he is a clear cut cyber harrasser, abuser and his only agenda is to spread hate and spread negativity on chowk 24/7........................”

It is unfortunate for him that he applies his intellect to find negative cut-and-paste, why make it angry for yourself? There indeed is a term that may be apt that the person always has another viewpoint. I wish he applies this talent to point problems in Bangalore and Delhi as well. I read his postings as just that.
Your agenda, at least on Chowk, of democracy, secularism and religion as personal matter is far above the agenda of the above persons. There is indeed an Indian saying that you can learn from enemy too. I suggestion is that you may want to keep this in mind when you think of other persons who are distracting you. I do not approve of anyone’s harassments, and his use of an animal and giving it a name of someone’s prophet is abhorring, and discussing it or similar things giving more importance. May be this is non-violent to the extreme, but that is what I think.


Zeena & Naqshbandi Sahib:
#117 & #116

In my student days, there were really two South Asian names (= heroes) to look up to, Tariq Ali and Imran Khan. I did follow his cricketing career, till I moved to the U.S. As I see the only institution that is strong and has withstood challenges in Pakistan is Military. The generals have come and gone through this institution. Any leader therefore, worth being called a leader in Pakistan is someone who has arisen from it.

The Acid test is would a leader be ready to give up his / her life?

I find Musharaff standing up to it. All civilian leaders – Benazir, Shariff, and Altaf Hussein in England. Even Imran Khan going to England to see justice against Altaf Hussein. Imran Khan, instead should be better off to lead the movement to extradite Altaf Hussein to Pakistan, if Altaf Hussein is guilty of what he claims. Instead of struggling to build the democratic institutions, he is off to summer time in London.

There is something seriously wrong, Zeena and Naqsh. It seems these Pakistani civilians are happy to make London as the civilian capital of Pakistan.

The only leader showing courage is Musharaff. One can easily think that he enjoys the U.S. support, but the heat that he must be taking from the west – have you considered that. He is fighting Islamic terror on one-side, obscurantism in the society one the other. He is daring to solve the issues like women’s rights, reforming education to be beyond Quran, reforming economy and facing internal dissent just to mention the few. He does not run away to London to file cases against Altaf Hussein. I agree that he has challenged Supreme Court’s independence. We will see how this gets resolved, the first historical moment.

Saudi Arabian clergy and the others who came were not just to lead prayers, but also to talk to Lal Masjid crazies. This only shows his clam and calculated approach, rather than add more fuel to the fire.

Frankly, I believe Pakistan needs more stability, Musharaff has provided it, and has ensured that until the war on terror is over, no one will touch Pakistan. If anything, Pakistan will get economic and other support from the world. His handling of Kashmir has been remarkable, yes there are people on Chowk who only out of disbelief say that his real intentions are different.

By any standard his score card has top grades among the top in South Asia.
If I were a Pakistani and had Pakistan in my mind, at this stage, I will support him and his plans for the nation building. Fighting him, is creating internal dissent to squander the war-and-peace capital and dividends that he has amassed for the nation.
That is the way I see it.

Re:#115
[[[. The support must be unwavering and more to the institutions that to the persons? Because if these institutions are built strong then people can come and go through them without destroying the institutions]]]]

Yes, I agree with you and that`s my exact point and stand. Pakistan needs strong institutions. And strong institutions are built by people, not by walls or empty rooms.

Who are the people? People are Pakistanis. Now to build strong institutions Pakistanis need strong and honest politicians(unfortunately all current politicians are fialures) who can gather thme on one platform and can lead their chaotic COUNTRY`S SYSTEM TO RUN IN A RIGHT AND firm direction...........means strong institutions.....and then once Pakistanis will achieve such strong institutional forces, they won`t need any savior or leader...They will automatically run in the right direction via ultrafiltration process(process of true democracy).......

Imrna Khan`s video is the true picture of an honest and firm politcian who has already proved himself multiple times....in all my fairness Imran Khan is the best candidate for PM ship for Pakistan and I am sure he put democracy in a right direction.......

And to tell you the truth...I never were a big fan of Imran Khan,but, after viewing all these videos and reading about him in detail....I am 100% convinced that he should be the next PM of Pakistan.................

anil sahib,

i too watched the video of imran khan and he is, imho, a really honest man who would be GREAT for pakistan if he was allowed to implement his vision as stated by him. to be fair to him he didn`t say `hum parliament khaali karwa denge`` what he said was that if those two laws or articles 62 and 63 are applied to every MP then the whole parliament will become empty! in other words, if you think the MQM can remove me due to application of these laws then by the same set of laws the entire parliament would be disqualified. i am not sure but these articles must be something to do with the moral and ethical behaviour of an MP being in accordance with islamic principals. imran`s point is valid. everyone and his uncle knows what MPs of all colours get up to in their private lives with mistresses and god knows what else! imho that should be no one`s business but their own but imran`s point is valid still. his `problem` being that his escapades and dalliances with the fairer sex in the past have not exactly been subtle! but i think that has nothing to do with his present or his politics and the fascist Altaf Hussain and his MQM are just pissed at imran for threatening to take their leader altaf to court in the UK.

Zeena:

You have stated yourself to be the ardent supporter of democracy, secularism and religion being personal matter. In addition, you have committed yourself to social work through your burn center. Remarkable commitment and its demonstration that it is not talk the walk, but really walk the walk. In their own commitments, Sadna and Arjun do the same, although to you their causes may be useless.

I watched Imran Khan video that you posted. He was a student in England when I was and therefore had followed his cricket career ever since.

Don`t you think, right now Pakistan needs institution builders, and pepole who remain committed to the three - democracy, secularism and religion in personal space, no matter what? This commitment must not change. The support must be unwavering and more to the institutions that to the persons? Because if these institutions are built strong then people can come and go through them without destroying the institutions. In this regard, I tend to support Gandhi and Nehru over Jinnah. Jinnah quit and even withdrew from political scene to practice in England for a while, now people can give their own interpretations to it. The fact remains he did withdrew, whereas the other two, and many others remained in jail. You cannot igonre this historical fact, although this fact like any other can be interpretted in many ways.

In this aspect, I have my serious doubts about Imran Khan, especially after watching the video you posted.

During the discussion, he talks about some constitutional article 62 / 63, and says if applied, ``Parliamnet Khaali Karwaa Denge``. This talk is no different than the talk of a dictator, who puts himself / herself ahead of the institutions.

He has failed to demonstrate the hinking which is better expressed spontaneously as saying ``Parliament mein log elect karenge jo articles 62 63 ko amend karne ke liye vote denge...``

Think about it, and probably continue your search for a true democractic force first, than accept a person first.

masadi..

perhaps I misunderstood..thanks for clarifying that...



the value of sociologists for THEIR OWN society`s economic well being by being informants due to their knowledge of the potential for internal conflict in Latin American countries


In any case, show me the money...show me where the sociologists were gainfully employed...economists are regularly employed by financial firms..writers write books that people buy...how do sociologists make money or contribute to the economy outside of being in a university on taxpayer dole?