Allama Iqbal and His Women

I guess the nagging wives bring out the best in men - Iqbal, Mir Taqi Mir, Munir Niazi, Tolstoy, and Elizabeth Taylor are just to name a few.

Re: # 37chutguevara

[Iqbal was an islamofascist and a plagiarizer of nietszche]

Read any introductory book on philosophy before uttering crap like that.Nietszche is a `Nihilist` iqbal is not even close to `nihilism`. Every philosopher is influenced by other philosopher in one way or the other. The aspects of Neitszche`s philosophy by which Iqbal seems to be influenced is not important to the Iqbal`s philosophy as a whole. Neitszche`s phenomenology certainly influenced Iqbal because it was Neitszche`s formulations which provided the starting point in the development of 20th century phenomenological movement.

Neitszche has been taken up even by feminists[it might be because of their natural feminine (hidden) desire of being WHIPPED, DR sohail might come up with better explaination]

Iqbal`s phenomenolgy is a methodology to construct new paradigm for islamic thinking,on the other hand,Neitszche`s phenemonolgy ends up in absolute `Nihilism`.
There is a world of difference between Neitszche and Iqbal.

Regarding #41,
Dear Khamy1,
For a moment, let`s be serious and address this nonsensical ethnic, provincial, and linguistic hatered. For example, if your brother goes around insulting the neighbors with his constant references to their ethnicity and makes references to their mothers` anatomies, I can see how you would take it personally when the neighbors retaliate with their own version of ethnic slurs and comments about his (and your) mother. The best approach would be to restrain your brother from inititiating such exchanges. If you can control Ali1, Zeemax, Ass Lame, Tahmed32, Ally, and other miscreants, I am sure that you will find that Urdu-speaking Mohajirs have no desire to insult Punjabis, their language, or their parents.

As you very well know, I have quite a few Punjabi relatives - both blood relatives and through extended family. I was basically brought up by my Punjabi sister-in-law and I love and respect my wonderful Bhabhijaan. It saddens me to retaliate against Punjabis just to shut up a few racists and bigots on Chowk. Do we have some common ground here?

#32 Khamy1 {``salim chauhan...
forget shair-o-shayeri...your forte is denigrating people...specially punjabis whom you still consider humans...but who knows... ``}

Qumquat,
As my personal biographer on Chowk, you of all people, should know that I have tried to focus only on the miscreant among the Paki Punju Paindoos. I use ``Paki`` to exclude Indians (Hindus and Sikhs) from the Punjabis who are running crazy on Chowk with their racist and supremacist agenda. I use ``Paindoo`` to exclude the overwhelming majority of Pakistani Punjabis who do not share the racist and anti-Urdu stance of the few Paindoos - such as Chacha Char Sau Bees, Ali1, Atif2, Ass Lame, A Lie, Zeemux, and a few others. I hope that you are not a Paindoo. :)

Dear writer,

This was an eye opener, very revealing article yet thought provoking and sad. What is difficult to understand is how could a great thinker be so confused about his personal life.

Allama is also remembered for this Tawaif, comfort woman with whom he had an affair and is even alleged to have killed out of rage. Any truth to the rumour, maybe Dr Sohail can throw some light on this matter.

It was good reading, goes to show that the great Iqbal was also a human being.
I`m not surprised that a man so creative had difficulty adjusting to the environment of controlled society and how ironic that his poetry was all about praising a religion that`s obsessed with `total control`!

And this dude supposedly came up with the idea of a separate nation for Indian muslims? This could mean that he didn’t like Hindu and Sikh girls and preferred ehle-Kitab gals. He is buried on the foot of Shahi Masjid close to Hira Mandi, and there is movement to change the name of Mohalla to Iqbal Bazzar. That’s the least we can do to honor this legendary Islami womanizer and a b-rated poet.

Rafi Aamer Sahib, excellent piece.

Re: # 33
Iqbal was an islamofascist and a plagiarizer of nietszche, while he may have been a great poet you`re just an insignificant chutiya who will be dead soon

See peemax you can run but you can`t hide you raging phatoo ;)

Re: # 28

oh overall as a poet allama iqbal is for sure but imam ahmad raza khan only wrote naats, nothing else, and in that specific field .i.e. naats he is unmatched in the whole of urdu poetry.

Re: # 34
dear bjkumar....you have a wonderful sense of humour. your letter made me smile.

while i was doing my research for my book PROPHETS OF VIOLENCE...PROPHETS OF PEACE

i was reading the biographies of Gandhi, Tagore, Jinnah, Iqbal, Ataturk, Mandela and many

others and i was struck how these great leaders who were great philosophers and

revolutionaries and could fight with world imperial and colonial powers were utterly

confused about women and acted immaturely about their romantic relationships. so i wrote

a few articles about their romantic lives. of all of them Iqbal was the most confused. I have

written one about Mandela and if i can find it I might send it to chowk one of these days. I

realized that to become a philosopher or a poet or a revolutionary and resolve political

conflicts is one thing but to resolve romantic and family conflicts is completely

another....sometimes harder. thanks for your appreciation and the credit goes to Rafi

Aamer for his wonderful translation....sincerely sohail

Dr. Sohail, this is one of the most unexpectedly interesting pieces that I have seen since Dr. Gill’s detailed investigations into the love life of Einstein. (BTW, thanks – translator!) You must be commended for your painstaking research for getting to the bottom of the matter!

Three wives and four weddings! Wow! I guess some people believe in using as much of their allotted quota as possible.

For convenience, let me refer to this phenomenon as ``The Allama Arrangement``!

BTW, I can not figure out one thing – how the heck did the Allama consummate his third marriage without looking at his bride’s face? I mean – if Bibi no.3 looked like a horse, he would have known it, right? Or did the passion of the moment make EVERYTHING look like an apsara?

And I wonder how the Allama’s time was shared among the lot. Was he multi-tasking? I wonder if the ladies were “synchronized” or if they fully cooperated by being evenly spaced out?

The Allama arrangement seems to have its built-in benefits – for example – while one lady could be attending to the Allama’s immediate needs, another could be making sure the children are kept well-fed and yet another could stand guard at the door to keep any prying nuisances away!

Such devotion! It is enough to make one all misty-eyed! (Alas, if only I could convince N!)

And little do those Westerners know – that love before marriage and all the other stuff! Such fools! Perhaps Ms. Atiya Faizi missed out big time – she could have been one of the herd!

I have another question for you – what made you so curious about this topic, after all most people won’t give a flying saucer how many females that verbose moron – perhaps one of the main culprits behind the current predicament of the subcontinent – humped in the privacy of his own bedroom?!

I don`t see how some people here can brand Iqbal as a great poet but a lousy philosopher. Is it just his diction they admire and not his thoughts?

That`s the highest form of chutyapa.

salim chauhan...
forget shair-o-shayeri...your forte is denigrating people...specially punjabis whom you still consider humans...but who knows... irtiqaii manaazil tayy kerne ke baad aap unheN kissi aur sinf maiN bhi tabdeel ker saktay haiN...

Gill Sahib {``The fact is that both Ghalib and Iqbal are my favorite poets and if any one misquotes them, I feel hurt. ``}

I know what you mean. The pain was totally unintentional. :)
I too, in my limited knowledge of Urdu literature and poetry, admire both of these giants.

Ya Rab dil-e-Muslim ko woh zinda tamanna de
Jo dil ko taRpaade Jo qalb ko garmaade

or was the qalb part before the dil part?

Jo qalb ko garmaade Jo dil ko taRpaade. :)

Salim-Chauhan: #29
I am sorry if I misread your subtle ``play of words.`` This ghazl of Ghalib is so popular that it was sung by Mohammad Rafi for a film. May be that was the reason for its popularity with the movie-goers. I wondered how one could mix it up with Iqbal. The fact is that both Ghalib and Iqbal are my favorite poets and if any one misquotes them, I feel hurt.
Be well,
Mohammad Gill

#22 by freethinker on June 10, 2007 1:42pm PT
Salim-Chauhan: #21
Unfortunately, you garbled two beautiful verses of Ghalib together into one and ascribed it to Iqbal. The correct verses are as follows:

Gil Sahib,
Thank you very much. I knew that it was Ghalib - I was just having fun at Iqbal`s amorous quantity. :)