Carl Friedrich Gauss

This article was certainly interesting for a student of mathematics like me. Well, some of the facts you've mentioned are in my textbook too.

I had asked this a-hole Iron mask <<< please tell me where the citiations and publications of those people you talk about are, their so-called original work. or are you talking through you a$$ as usual. >>>>

He failed to respond proving that he was indeed ``talking through his a$$ as usual``, not to mention that his search for citation that his ``shyte for brains (to quote his own words)`` allows him is a simple ``google search``. Over 90% of those who have published and whose work has been cited in books, research papers etc will not show up on google...fool

MY apologies to all of you here, I am afraid, Masada Complex and me have taken this to an extremely personal level - for my part, I feel Masada Complex started the cheapening of these interacts with his abusive tone, and i returned it in a similar manner.

So apologies to all, none to Masada Complex.

As they say, sayonara! only for this thread.

#135 Masada Complex has his head so high the track where the sun no shine that his brain sees nothing else but his carp as the only thing in the world!

no eff off shyte for brains!

And so the the Great God, the speaketh through the deranged mind......high on grass and the blood of several vestigial virgins,

the citations are thus
(a)CITATION] A Scientific Analysis
MAK Asadi - IPU, Lahore 1992
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botth these are self citations

(b)
EVOLUTION BY NATURAL SELECTION, IS IT A FACT?
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Copyright © Muhammed Asadi 1997 (revised 1999/2001). Notes: ...
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KORAN AND BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES
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(c)
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R Tilva, J Tuli - globalwebpost.com
... Asadi, Muhammed. “The Koran, Interest and the Economy”, Koran 2:275 ... Shabbir, Muhammad.
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zero citations from outsiders

One could go on.....unless the greqat GOd called Masada Complex, has a different name al-asadi etc and writes science then Masada Complex is in addition to being deranged an imbecile and a self-aggrandsing piece of shyte!

iron mask writes <<< Atleast the people who write here (articles), do apparently have orginal work published and are also cited >>>

A-Hole, my work stands on its own merits, please tell me where the citiations and publications of those people you talk about are, their so-called original work. or are you talking through you a$$ as usual.

Not that any of my work can affect retards like you, I have articles currently under review by professional journals for publication and have done more writing and received citation as well as present my work in conferences (in the US) than a a$$ wipe like you can ever muster.

#132 - Every article here is also fully referenced. Atleast the people who write here (articles), do apparently have orginal work published and are also cited. When I last checked you were and are a non-entity in the social sciences. A failed social scientist is loser! Keep that in mind, Sir!

masada complex, your derivative mind cannot think beyond what has already been discussed - your pet themes have been discussed to death world over, they have been dusted and done, and digested. The world has moved on, beyond your GOD Mills! Your ideas have been discussed by many. If they are so effing original publish the shyte in a proper journal. No wait, its a conspiracy to get your arse and stuff it...so they will not. As the English would say, what a load of pigs bollocks or the whatever. You are a dangerously derranged human. Get a grip of reality and get on with it. Get laid Masada before it is too late, and even lagga will rule you out from a position to earn your keep.

Your complex and tortured mind is here........

Iron Mask <<< his shyte here is derivative plagureieised balderised crap >>>

Learn how to spell A-Hole, and then when you learn that maybe you should check the reference part in most of my articles where any ideas debated or criticized are well referenced. And then do your internet search and the only similar writings you will find will be the ones associated with my name, unlike you copy paste experts out here.

#129 yah! like you see reality......get laid masadi!

masadi and his derivative mind. there is nothing new is what he says. this has been said before umpteen numbers of times. his shyte here is derivative plagureieised balderised crap. Mark of a dangerously derranged mind, hallucinating.....he needs to get laid. masadi go to hira mandi you will be well served - they apparently provide all sorts of services - of any kind to any one including a mental leper like....

the man cannot hold onto a job and needs lagga to get one.

Chowk-staff why have you allowed this buffoon to take over this thread.

Kaal:

I believe in the ability of truth to shatter ignorance and falsehood

Kaal:

I believe in only one thing: my ignorance.

Masadi, nobody is messing with Michel`s Law. We are trying to challenge the Law of Infinite Human Stupidity.

Patently, it`s not easy. GT Sahib is lucky. He has something to believe in: you and all your tradition.

kaal writes <<< Well, Masadi, you see, GT Sahib might seem to have effectively ended any logical discussion of your entire transformative thesis. :) >>>>

Definitely not, gibberish does not qualify as end of ``logical discussion``- binary or no binary logic all discussions need to be put in logical terms and the logic needs to be constructed around empirical evidence. As physicists cannot mess with the laws of thermodynamics in their analysis so also sociologists cannot mess with Michel`s Iron law of oligarchy- you two can proceed with your ignorant ``love making`` elsewhere, let people who want to discuss these important issues discuss them here.

Jesus! GT :)

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Well, Masadi, you see, GT Sahib might seem to have effectively ended any logical discussion of your entire transformative thesis. :)

Yet, the good news is that your theoretical structure does NOT need ALL its transformative agents to hold exclusive binary transformative beliefs equally strongly, if at all. All that`s needed for the system to work flawlessly everytime is that ENOUGH agents (and these need not always be the same in every case) align themselves as desired, and that ultimately all meaningful political action is, and is properly presented as, binary.

Kaal:

You, sir, are the greatest! But do not stretch it very far ..... sometimes they snap back :)

GT, Khurram

You seem to conceptualize `justice` quite differently than Masadi does. But first, another key issue needs clarification.

``Binary thinking,`` one can argue, is deliberately maligned by vested interests, by defenders of unfair and iniquitous status quo.

Why exactly should it not be adopted if it helps create a powerful transformative movement as envisaged by Masadi?

I am trying to see if your opposition to binary thinking just a personal quirk (yours and of some people).

In #114 read <<< Not true at all. Your example is an old example given by hadithists when they say that the Quran is vague >>>

as

Not true at all. Your example is an old example given by hadithists when they say that the Quran is vague in order to justify inclusion of extra quranic material

Khurram writes <<< So, what does a non-heirarchical social movement organization look like? >>>

Read the Quran and witness the Hajj and I don`t mean the theology of it

Re: # 117 by khurram:

You say:

``Its hard to say that something went wrong when there is no right answer in the first place.``

I am impressed ... the crux of the problem isn`t it? The point is, many times we say and understand things beyond the realm of {Yes, no}, {Right, wrong} or what some of us call binary logic.

Re: masadi,

So, what does a non-heirarchical social movement organization look like?
Does it have leaders? A charter? Committees?
Any real life example?

GT writes to Khurram <<< Even if everyone in the group agree on what ``equity based on justice`` is, with or without any interpretation, then without some hierarchy that very ``equity based on justice`` can get defeated in a democracy >>>

Not so, GT is quite confused about what he wrote. He said that an issue ``c`` arises about which the ``law`` (i.e. equity based on justice) says nothing, so some prefer it over things ``a`` and ``b`` about which the ``law`` says that a>b. So if two out of the three members choose c over a and b then without excluding some you cannot get the ``equity based on justice`` option, so exclusion would be non democratic organization so you will have to add hierarchy to the equation- in other words he thinks, in his limited understanding of my article that I mixed up and contradicted myself.

NOT SO!

First the exclusion part is talking not about excluding those that formed the social movement from being a democratic organization (step three of the process). It is talking about the original purpose behind the movement being ``Exclusive`` that does not incorporate things from the outside in order to appeal to a broader audience thereby diluting its original purpose or grievance over which it was formed.

Next, ``c`` the assumption of GT over which he constructs his entire house of cards is non-existant, the movement is quite clear about why it is formed and what issues it will address, there is no vagueness, operationalization means excatly how it will be measured, so if GT says that people that formed the movement (not society at large) can agree on the meaning of equity based on justice, they will surely agree on the strongest indicators of it, once that is done a,b,c,d,....l,m,n,o,p can easy be evaluated without any preference or hierarchy involved.

Finally, when this concept ``equity based on justice`` is internalized and becomes part of your individual identity frame- this concept itself negates any and every hierarchy, it becomes an automatic response, you dont need questionnaires and forms to evaluate a,b,c,....l,m,n,o,p

We have tons of examples of preliterate societies where convergence between individual and collective identity exists to such an extent that removing them from their group can cause physical symptoms including death.

Now GTs comparison of the concept of equity based on justice in a movement to advertisers pushing products is quite unfair and quite ignorant. Social movements are not pushed on people, they get formed because people have grievances, neither is the seeking of equality based on justice for all, similar to companies pushing products for profitability. His contention that feelings of ``superiority`` make people ``push`` such a concept is also quite ignorant, if its superiority then why get together and say and feel (through your conscience) that if I claim to be better than you its my individual moral failure....like I said, he didn`t understand the subtlties of the article, yet he thinks the article needs a ``lot of work``- yes it does, it needs expanded upon, and pragmaticaly applied but the concepts are quite sound, well referenced and logically argued....

Re: GT,
In your a/b/c example in your ilog, no matter who gets selected by whatever process the majority prefers someone else. Its hard to say that something went wrong when there is no right answer in the first place.

#111 by Khurram,

The final structure emerges in 4 stages, please read the article. Yes there are ways around it, that is where the entire concept of what should form the ``collective identity frame`` comes about, but not after a hierarchy based organization has developed- then as you say there is no way out, the movement will be coopted sooner or later

Re: # 114 by masadi:

Thanks.

GT writes <<< I built up the example based on your article ... it is not that I picked up a ready made example ... >>>

Not true at all. Your example is an old example given by hadithists when they say that the Quran is vague, there is nothing original and based on my article in your example, further you have the ``voting`` part of democracy leading to fragmentation part in view and have not even thought about the collective identity frame that I am talking about.

Introducing ``c`` into the movement that got formed based on specific grievances makes it ``inclusive`` and hense would also lead to fragmentation. Yes Kaal I have tons of examples in fact I have your example, the first time you went against the ``norms`` of your society you felt something didn`t you? Preliterate societies where collective and individual identity frames converge to the utmost- based on whatever norms they have don`t fragment, heterogeniety in a city, as the article discusses, makes the need for enforcement of the collective identity frame that is based on the original birth purpose of a social movement or there will be fragmentation.

Regarding me being ungrateful to GT, you my friend are the ungrateful one, like many in our parts of the world you overlook my effort in the article and off hand say that it needs ``a lot of work``. IT does not, you need to reexamine the reasons you put forward to criticize it, just putting word notations a>b does not add any complexity or credibility to your answer. Regarding the assertion that the elite will control the definition of ``equity based on justice``, they will in the wider society but not in a social movement set up against the antagonizer`s system only if the movement is exclusive and does not incorporate their legitimations to fulfill narrow goals.......read the article again, try to understand what I am writing. Hierarchy inevitably leads to seperation, conflict and oligarchy. It is all or none where hierarchy goes, because some leads to all, and NONE is the only way a social movement set to promote equity based on justice can ever achieve anything...

GT: #112
You are welcome as long as I am not abused for ``na-kardah gunaaho`n.``
Mohammad Gill

Re: # 111 by kurram:

Kurram,

You say:

``Concepts like ``equity based on justice`` need interpretation. The priviliged group will control the interpretion.``

While I agree with you I go further than this. Even if everyone in the group agree on what ``equity based on justice`` is, with or without any interpretation, then without some hierarchy that very ``equity based on justice`` can get defeated in a democracy, or any conflict where numbers matter, (even if a majority of the people are for ``equity based on justice``). I show how in my ilogs.

Again, sorry Dr. Gill. Like all humans, I too am an opportunist.

masadi,

Please consider this.
Any organization will necessarily involve some degree of centralization and heirarchy. This will create a priviliged group within the organization. Concepts like ``equity based on justice`` need interpretation. The priviliged group will control the interpretion.
Any way around this?

GT, Masadi

Please don`t abandon this dialogue so quickly. There`s some possibility of real progress here.

Both sets of arguments are clearly made. To bridge theoretical disagreements, may be we can abstract and induct from any real empirical cases/data you may have used to ground your approaches.

GT, can you provide some real-world examples/historical instances of the difficulties you see in aligning identity frames?

``This is quite simple to understand and practical to implement and empirical evidence exists of it being successful, I gave examples. Now you are pursuing another path, a path to disaster.``

Masadi, in which of your posts did you provide empirical evidence of practical and successful aligning of identity frames?

GT <<< Now, in my example given below, is person no. 1 a soldier of the status quo? >>>

It doesn’t matter who he is based on solution preference. What matters, if you had read the article carefully is whether his ``individual identity frame`` is in sync with the ``collective identity frame`` of the movement, the collective identity is determined using the criteria of ``equity based on justice``, which when institutionalized will produce a psychological response of individual moral failure when one goes against it.

Now is this ``equity based on justice`` just a pie in the sky concept or can it be operationalized to where its indicators are plain as daylight to see. The answer is of course it can be operationalized. Now, within that exclusivity, decisions can be made without any ``preference`` based on hierarchy.

This is quite simple to understand and practical to implement and empirical evidence exists of it being successful, I gave examples. Now you are pursuing another path, a path to disaster where choices are amorphous, based on preference where there is no concept of ``collective identity frame``, and it is free for all. Little wonder though that you think this way that is why modern economics with its hedonistic, rationalistic, ``full of unrealisitc assumptions``- model building is so inadequate. I think enough has been said on the issue, since you refuse to address any of my points.

Reply to GT

GT << I shall now assume that the law says nothing about choices between `c` and any other alternative. The reason I do so is because no law can be complete >>

GT what is wrong with you man? Why are you deliberately trying to obfuscate the issues without responding to any reply I have posted. If the law says not about something and the choice is free for all where did the grievance that led to the social movement arise from? The choices are not what is being debated. The discussion is not about `the law` which by itself is a tool of the elite, it is about social movement structure. Address my points and how they are inadequate. You mentioned there was a ``lot of work`` required in that article and now from that you reduce it to a point the size of an ant- come on man what`s the purpose behind this obfuscation?

#106 okhla, you don`t belong in the light, shove your face where the light don`t shine, teeming colonies of your friends, the e-coli already reside there, you`ll have plenty of company...

Re: # 105

Masadi,

You don`t belong on this board. Either stick to Gauss or go away to Lululand.

GT <<< The point therefore is, let us not make utopian suggestions which are not possible. Instead let us concentrate on realistic organizations with the `least` (but not `no`) amount of hierarchy. >>>

No, it is not a utopian suggestion when the structure of a social movement is getting formed, it is either none or the universal law of oligarchy kicks in. When you say we will have to exclude some given point #3, then you are ignoring point #1, those that are excluded are ``soldiers`` of the status quo, they have no place in a social movement that is going against the antagonizer`s system. Further it is not utopian because when collective identity is not based on status hierarchy any attempts at that, would be considered individual moral failure, I say this psychological conditioning can occur through a rational/religious system like the Quran, Marx arrived at it through another avenue, which given the psychological conditioning of the antagonizer can never occur as we saw with the Soviet Union`s quasi state capitalism, what both seek is basically the same, an end to the conflict dialectic, the Quran`s route is more sound and based on greater empirical evidence....like it or not

I just stumbled upon this magnificent work of mathematical genius that Gauss and his other German henchmen would be rightly proud of. For example, (and this is the part that blew me away):

1.There are 114 chapters in the Quran, or 19 x 6.

2.The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19 x 334.

3.Then you add the 30 different numbers which are mentioned in the Quran`s text (i.e. one God, two brothers, etc.), the total is 162146 or 19 x 8534.

4.The first statement in Quran, ``In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful`` consists of 19 Arabic letters. Known as the `Basmalah`, it prefaces every chapter except Chapter 9.

5.Though missing from Chapter 9, exactly 19 chapters later the Basmalah occurs twice. Chapter 27 has this statement at its beginning and in verse 30. This makes the total number of times the Basmalah occurs in the Quran 114, or 19 x 6.

and on it goes. I mean, is god trying to teach us a lesson, or what? I mean, this is unbelievably miraculous. I am humbled, and in awe.

Gauss, Newton, Euler, and all the other crazies whose theorems that I had to study in school are village idiots compared to the above profound findings.

Correction:

Hopefully, both gentlemen, and others who know about such things, will be able to devote time to this exceptionally instructive discussion.

This dialogue between masadi sahib and GT bhai is excellent in every way. It will be helpful to see where the two lines converge or diverge, if anywhere.

Hopefully, both gentlemen will be able to devote some time to this exceptionally instructive discussion.

(Most likely, Gauss too would have approved. :)).

GT mian I read your comments on the SM structure piece. You write

<<< You want the organization to be without hierarchies so let the organization choose democratically. Note that no matter what they vote over. The organizational preferences would be c>b, a>b, c>a. One can never get a
But you need EXCLUSION, as you rightly point out. But what you are saying is that you will not allow society TO BE DEMOCTRATIC. Otherwise, you will have a collapse of your basic ideology. >>>

GT man you are complicating things beyond need.

Point 1. The social movement gets formed because people have some grievance/ common cause that is directed against the wider system in which they operate. Thus that grievance is EXCLUSIVE. It does not include those that are happy with the status quo

Point 2. Within that paramenter of exclusivity, there can be a democratic organization

Point 3. In order to prevent fragmentation, the antagonizer`s system and its proponenets must be excluded

Point 4. In order to bring congruence between individual identity frames and the collective identity of the movement, the collective identity when not framed on ``equity based on justice`` will result in hierarchy

Point 5. Hierarchy results in bureaucracy and then fragmentation.

Point 6. If the collective identity is framed on ``equity based on justice``, and gets institutionalized, as the Quran`s purpose is, then going against that and following selfish desire- fragmentation technique of the antagonizer- is considered individual moral failure because your ``psychological`` conscience kicks in.

This was the kind of movement that Jesus and Muhammed developed and later after them it fragmented by incorporating things from the ``antagonizers`` that the original movement developed against and thus became quite ineffective as justice producing instruments...

Masadi, I think you need to visit this famous quote :


``Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make a mess in the house.``

In your case, dear Masadi, it is doubtful that the sixth word in the second sentence of this quote would apply.

Learn to count. Learn some maths. Have some fun. Get a life. Come to Karachi. Meet up with Chowk friends. Friendly hugs can dissolve the animosity in your heart.


More about Gauss and his sense of humour.
Gauss was once asked how soon he expected to reach certain mathematical
conclusions. With a smile, Gauss replied that he had them long ago, all he was worrying about was how to reach them!

Re: # 98

tahmed sahib:

To continue....

Actually we give a damn to the `person` called Gauss. What we remember are his theorems. Futhermore, if Gauss had not got those theorems someone else would have ... just because these theorems are there to be picked in a certain (narrow) linguistic framework .... and that person`s name could well have been md. ghaus :)

Re: # 97 by tahmed32:

tahmed sahib:

I found your post in bad taste. Since I respect you let me explain. I believe that Gauss, or anyone for that matter, is no more or no less than any other random person. Some people are interested in politics, some in music and yet some others, like me, in chowk. We do what we like the best we can. All of a sudden society takes note and makes some `great` and others `small`. But not all in society do so ... this is the domain of those who see the movie on Nash and claim to know Game Theory, or that stupid book on chaos and claim to know `chaos` theory. You sir, are beyond that and I am being serious when I say so. Therefore, sir, could it not be likely that a person does not know multiplications of 9 (that being very linear) but have a deep perception of social (complicated) dynamics. I am not saying that masadi is a genius ... at least not yet. But, sir, given my experience I would not be surprised if I am to be proven wrong. I hope you do not mind my writing this post.

Alphanull: #79
The correction in Gauss`s name has now been made. Thanks for pointing out my oversight. Be well,
Mohammad Gill

What is Gauss compared to Masadi??!! Masadi can recite the 9 ka pahara with only a few mistakes!!!

#94 that is eggjactly my fascination..that these guys had a system in place where they could get their peers to review stuff.

Re: # 87
Jang, we injuns had done some of this a bit before...... For example the Kerala school of mathematicians had folks like Madhava (who discovered the Maclaurins expansion of cos, sin etc about a couple of hundred years before the Europeans discovered it....Neelakantha who discovered the series for pi , tan inverse etc before Leibniz...

Some people like Jagannatha were doing stuff in the 1700`s but eventually when there is an absence of formal universities and patronage you are going to have problems.

Re: # 89 by masadi:

(With apologies to Gill).

Masadi:

Following your rebuke: ``Sit down and do some writing...``, I have written something for you in my ilog. If you want to continue then time permitting, I would be glad to do so. But not here. Somewhere else .... maybe UP or maybe we can stick to out ilogs.

Regards

#90 Masadi

Yaar, Masadi – itnaa ghussaa mat ho! I like to kid around with everybody – including this okhlee-moosal guy!

The truth is that this is a great article and I am extremely fond of the Doctor Gill – and I always try to read everything he writes – even though sometimes it feels like chewing sand paper!

What is all that stuff about “rebellion fizzling out” and “false consciousness will envelope you destroying your life and the life of newer generations”?! It went right over my nest.

But it appears to have something to do with your being upset at these editors holding your submitted articles in the dock instead of letting the same loose upon the chowk public! It is a bit like thwarted love!

I FEEL for you, my man!

So here is a suggestion for you.

Before you turn in your manuscripts into the hands of these super-picky editors – run those by me!

You see yaar, if whatever you cook tastes bland – it won’t satisfy the appetite of the hungry chowk masses. We are desis and we like our stuff spicy! Never hold that ingredient back.

So you send your manuscript to me first. And I will spice it up. I will put in just the right ingredients to give it the proper level of hot red pepper and soft gooey sex – sometimes mixed together – and before you know it, these folks will be eating out of your hands!

I guarantee it!

Let me give you a sample of my handiwork on a bit of the current piece!

You see where the Gillster writes:

“After matriculating from school at the age of 14, Gauss entered Caroline College in 1792. While there, he was able to prove the fundamental theorem of algebra.”

Maybe factually correct – but isn’t it boring as hell?!

If I were to have worked on it, this is how it would have read:

“The Gauss could not wait to get out of High School!

Visions of secret meetings with those of the opposite sex danced before his eyes – visions of meetings in dark hall-ways, meetings behind 20 feet tall drapes, and meetings under the tall green trees surrounding the outhouses! The visions took possession – and the hormones of the fourteen year old raced faster than the fastest Wells Fargo coach then around!

So where could one find just the right level of co-education for a young man in need?! The Caroline College, of course! The year was 1792.

The record is unclear on whether he actually made it with any females of that institution (which was probably a mostly male institution anyway). The record is even less clear whether he made it with any males of that institution. What is clear is that he came up with an independent proof of the fundamental theorem of algebra.

You get the picture!

In #89 read <<< GT mian, I read your section on my article on SM movement >>

as

GT mian, I read your section on my article on SM structure

Okhla writes <<< It is not life that is unfair. It is your expectations that are unfair & unrealistic. >>>

In other words bjk he wants you to lower your expectations about what you as a human being can achieve, and why does he say that, he says it because the lowest of the low, the immoral higher thugs that he worships, the only way they can suceed is if people speaking the truth relent. If you lower your expectations on this peon`s advice then the rebellion will fizzle out, you will come to blame yourself for your shortcomings and your false consciousness will envelope you destroying your life and the life of newer generations. This is what AHs like Okhla aspire towards because that is the only way these thugs can get their cake, eat it and then put their dirty fingers in your cake as well. Life is made unfair due to the doings of a minority of a minority that weilds power and skews all advantages for its perverse ends, the power elite. Chowk editors are merely tyring to mimic that higher corruption. This article is a piece of BS in which zero effort as far as thought goes has gone. Gill in his pseudo-plagirism has merely acted as a tape recorder blurting out what his corrupt mind has managed to read.....all his articles are like this and then the AH censors other articles that are useful, abusing his editorial office....

GT mian, I read your section on my article on SM movement, if you think it needs a lot more work you must have some ideas which you could expand upon and benefit us all. Sit down and do some writing... I think I squeezed in enough information in that space. It was a review of a couple of articles from professional journals that I tried to recombine (using the thought process unlike Gill) and use both for contemporary society and the history of religious movements of the past...regarding the homelessness article when I post it, I will let you know there is section in it on the history of homelessness and the Slavery Act is mentioned in that context... As for okhla, let that sob perish in his rage, he cannot stop or block the truth, lulu or no lulu...

okhla writes <<< Does it actually take a physical kick on your behind to make you go away?? >>>

No, it will take something more, a jdam probably. I am not going away AH. I will be there to challenge the BS of your kind, supporter of dictators and US hegemony, slaves of the white man. Be afraid, be very afraid because I am not going away, regardless of your lies about rejection and deportation-NONE of which is true...

overall i find it absolutely fascinating that these guys like euler, gauss, newton were studying these things and getting peers to review them...outside of europe there were no body involved in such shyte...indians were fighing one of their umpteen panipat wars i guess...but its not like the europeans did not have their wars during that time, so that is no excuse.

#84

Daghaabaaz! Dhokheybaaz! Kambakhat!

How can ANYONE in their right mind think Gaussian distribution is more interesting that Hercule Poirot?!

It is not like the good doc is discussing the intimate details of the sex life of the Gauss man!!

Re: # 83
Shut up Masadi. Take your weird articles to lulu.com, where they truly belong.
Can you not understand REJECTION?? Does it actually take a physical kick on your behind to make you go away??

I have already pointed out that you have been comprehensively rejected by the US school which got you deported, the Pakistani college which saw your true colors and finally by Chowk editors. Ordnary Chowkies like me had recognized your true Zero-potential long back.

Abb hutt jaa !!!
Hawaa aane de bhai !!!

Re: # 82

BJK, I sometimes enjoy your writings (when they are not plagiarised, that is). But Gauss is much more fascinating. Most chowkies agree and hence the skewed ratio of number of interacts.

It is not life that is unfair. It is your expectations that are unfair & unrealistic.

You are way out of sync, man....

read the article on Social Movement Structure that Mohammad Gill and other Chowk Editors censored and didn`t publish, because they want to hide things that might benefit humanity, all they are interested in is publishing their pseudo-plagirized, thoughtless, tape-recorder-esque (their brains, the finished products of colonial education designed for the ``inferiors`` and the colonized mindset, can only reproduce stuff that is rote-memorized, in other words their brains function as mere tape recorders that spit out in more or less similar words what they have read in other places, there is no connection of concepts, no original thought and no critical analysis even as there is consistent worship of all things Western by them) articles.

Chowk readers take back the site that belongs to you and not these ignorant AHs.

I do not get it.

Gill sahib writes a piece on one of the most boring, dry concepts in Math and gets 81 interacts - and it is still going up!

I wrote the most imaginative piece of fiction entitled ``Hercule Poirot`s Christmas`` on FP and all I have to show for it are ten measly interacts - most my own!

Life is really unfair!

engineers love gaussian distribution coz its fourier transform also is gaussian - makes for ez estimation of moments, etc.

Re: # 77 by khurram:

Well even the class of computationally complex models is LARGE. One has to get a theoretical model from that class first. FYI most fixed points that economists use are computationally complex ... my point is that economists use these fixed points without concerning themselves with the complexity. For example, economists assume that prices are such that demand is equal to supply. They do not care (or a very few do) as to how these prices come about in the first place.

Gill sahib,

For crying out loud, fix the transposition in your blasted title, and the rest of your article – or get Chowk Staff to do it if you can’t do it yourself! ‘Friederich Carl’, indeed!

Re: # 76 by iron_mask

Actually, I know nothing about chowk staff. Temporal was this nice interactor, but he fell out with some folks like Farzana.

Actually, I dislike the fact that chowk staff knows all of us but we do not know them. Farzana was the first editor who came out .... defended her position .... took and gave sh!t. It was nice. Then she left saying that there were better things for her to do (quite believable if you ask me ... she wrote well). Well now you have this ... it seems that there is a set of people who know each other and manage chowk and also make things difficult for each other.

So, the stock markets are computationally complex? Does that mean somebody with a supercomputer will eventually come up with a winning strategy?
Or, are they actually random, and no one will ever figure them out?

it was GT (T) - its the thumbs up smily from UP! I think! (no I donot think you are mr T! )!

Re: # 74 by iron_mask

I am confused too .... why did you address me as GT(T) in one of your posts? !!!! :)

BTW I am terribly curious - who is Temporal, who is Mrs T and Master T (the nics of the later two)?

I know UP issues should not brought here, but you seem to be well informed.....

#72 totally agree! ;) yes - because we miss out the key ingredient - human emotions whic are present in markets but are not present in most other engineeering or physical systems problems....

you are right....I agre with the complexity part - but not necessarily with the computaional part...it is more an issue of data conditioning than computation. Semantics maybe, but if the data conditioning is not right computationa may as well be left at home.

Re: # 69 by iron_mask

I believe that markets are inherently computationally complex ..... and it will take us decades to understand even an iota of what we claim to understand today. As far as the numerical solutions are concerned, ... they are just a `back-up` to a fat lawyer`s recommendation to the invst. committee :)

stick=stock

based often these on the H-infinity =based often these days on the H-infinity

jang
that is true. However, there is a need to impose a structure on problems and a start has to be made somewhere. For example in general filtering problems there is a difficulty in obtaining ``optial solutions`` if no distributions are imposed. Further you are again restricted in terms of the relationships of variables themselves - if you take gauss other ``invention`` - least squares the independency is crucial.

When this is applied to indetification problems (even using the so called ANNs) you need what are known as open loop stable systems. If they are open loop unstable then you need to stabilise them (often closing the loop) first and then use a complicated RLS on them. This is because of the dependencies and correlations. And the distributions become funny.

GT this is the problem with the stick market as well - essentially they are closed loop systems, and generic identification on them makes your life difficult. IN fact this has been known to people in the avionics area for ages - and they have a whole plethora of tools. This also the reason whhy you never have adaptive systems in avionics, but have the so called Robust Techniques (based often these on the H-infinity approach).

Maybe, the new generation of techqniues based on the wave equations - which you can see being published in Physical letters and other journals - would solve some of these problems. Who knows?

Re: # 67

Jango,

Yaar modern engineering ko rehne do. You have weird theory, generating weird predictions and so the resulting error structure is more than weird! I had to sit through a dissert. defense (as an external) of a civil engineer on eartquake resistant structures, theory followed by `shake-table` experiments. Jeez ... and I had always thought that economists were crazy!

But in general, I agree with you. No one, for example, has been able to cut high frequency financial data to generate normal errors ... so there, more power to you engineers.

i have a personal b!tch against gauss and his distributions. most of the problems in engineering become intractable random numbers with distributions other than guassian. therfore, you need not study them .. i mean life is so easy once you can prove that its a waste of time to figure out some kinda closed-form solution etc. thanks to gauss and other mathematicians who find these patterns of interest amongst otherwise infinite bounty of patterns from allah we have to suffer.

good article mr gill, i must say there was no way a brick-layer`s son could have gotten or strived for a formal education in 18-th century india.

Wow! Iron, GT, Nameless, such interesting posts! It might take a little time to read and absorb everything therein, but the subject is too fascinating to not receive the effort. We non-mathematicians have to work at an intuitive, rather than technical level, so understanding arguments almost right makes the effort worthwhile.

altaf done more for musalmaans in 2 years fool salman rushdie.
altaf bhai we start now camapaign for your knighthood.

Good musalmaans all of you send message to altaf bhai and say you hupporthim for becominign Sir.

Well I am done with these serious topics - off for a long jaunt on the med - starting some near toulose and ending up in turkey.....see you all laterz friends......got to earn my bread

Re: # 60 here is some more information on the 19

19 is a prime number.

19th Nervous Breakdown was a hit for the Rolling Stones in 1966. It reached No 2 in both the UK and USA charts.

Paul Hardcastle`s 19 was a No1 chart hit in the UK in 1985. Although it was about the American war in Vietnam, the single only reached No 15 in the USA charts.

The Nineteen Propositions were demands put to Charles I by Parliament in 1642 intended to limit the power of the Crown. The king`s rejection of them led to the English Civil War and his execution.

To talk `nineteen to the dozen` is to talk `the hind legs off a donkey` or to talk `a blue streak`.

In the game of cribbage 19 is an impossible hand.
19 is a centred hexagonal number. These are numbers which can be arranged into a pattern of concentric hexagons, as in the illustration. There are a series of numbers that can be arranged like this -

7, 19, 37, 61, 91, 127, 169 ...

You will always get a centred hexagonal number if you take a triangular number, multiply it by six and add one.




This pattern of 19 circles is easy to make with coins. It shows that 19 is a `centred hexagonal number`


Check this out Number 19 for more details

........ that was my contribution to mathematics for the week ......... i will be back on friday - got to do my part to keep the american elite in business this week .......... damn !.... i hate work ......... masadi is right - this bs about the protestant work ethic was invented by the wicked elite to keep us toiling while they have fun on chowk ...........

more miracle math :

``Palestinian scholar Ziad Silwadi says the US will cease to exist in 2007. “Silwadi noted that the US has often been compared to a tree that grows very quickly and bears fruit, but has no roots.” He thinks that he found the first allusion to this metaphor in Koran 14:26: “the parable of an evil word is as an evil tree pulled up from the earth’s surface; it has no stability.”
Silwadi noted that Koran 14:26 is the 1776th verse in the Arabic Koran. 1776 is the year that the U.S. declared independence from Britain. Using numerological methods, Silwadi came up with a second number: 231. The details on how Silwadi came up with the 231 number have not been reported in the English press yet—at least to this author’s knowledge. Silwadi added 231 to 1776 to come up with the date 2007 AD. Silwadi thinks the U.S. will be destroyed in 2007``

................. ghaus, eat your heart out !

forget ghaus ali shah and his silly gaussian distributions - here is the real mathematical miracle :

``The late Muslim scientist Dr. Rashad Khalifa worked hardest in investigating the occurrence of the number 19 in the Koran. Khalifa in one paper claimed to have discovered physical proof of God`s existence in the Koran. He claimed this was so because the Koran had 6 x 19 = 114 chapters, 19 x 17,324 = 329,156 letters and 19 x 334 = 6,346 verses. The digits of 6,346 add up to the number 19. The invocation verse contains 19 Arabic letters, and its first word occurs in the Koran 19 times. Its second word, Allah, appears 19 x 142 = 2,698 times.``

............ subhanallah ! .............. verily, those who deny the miracle of the koran are destined to roll dice and come up with 3.5 instead of 19 .......... laanat tul kazibeen !

Gill, forget what the rest of the riff-raff say (wheel-o-time, GT, A_null, hamidm2, zeemax, MASADI Iron_mask etc). This piece on FP is great, your series of articles on similar matters are good. People are never satisfied with they get, they will always want more. More of their favourite biases, you I see you do not pander to this reinforcement theory.

Keep up the good work. You are a good samaritan. Hope the retirement works like this for all of us when that day dawns.

#57 by iron_mask,

Yar iron-naqab, you can see the Einstein quote on my profile about the subject matter ... :)

good, thank you. Now care to contribute to the subject matter of interest here?
We are all agog and awaiting for your contributions here. Pliss!

#54 by iron_mask,

The nick is zeemax. Thank you.

And what about those posts? They`re the usual nonsense of a blabbering retard.

kaal bhairavi:

Does the gaussian distribution need large numbers to reproduce itself?

The numbers being large or small in number is not entirely the issue. It also depends on the spread of the the numbers. You can 1000 numbers they need not follow the rule, but you can have another 1000 numbers and they will.

Interestingly,




if you set x=1, you should get the answer 2.67, however, this is but an approximation. a more accurate answer will obtained only if you take in a large order for the series.

If you note: from time to time there is news of some guy who managed to calculate the value of pi to the somemany-th decimal place.....the problem is the infinite series that..the true value is only obtained for these numbers when the degree of the polynomials is infinity.


Talking of websites: if you go here http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/protondec.html#c1
you will find interesting applications ....Modeling the Probability for Proton Decay and similar ones for other particles......

Zeemini, what say you (re:#30 #34 #38 and the other interacts here)

kaal bhairavi:

Does the gaussian distribution need large numbers to reproduce itself?

The numbers being large or small in number is not entirely the issue. It also depends on the spread of the the numbers. You can 1000 numbers they need not follow the rule, but you can have another 1000 numbers and they will.

Interestingly,

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Mathematics/geomath/level2/series/exp1.gif


if you set x=1, you should get the answer 2.67, however, this is but an approximation. a more accurate answer will obtained only if you take in a large order for the series.

If you note: from time to time there is news of some guy who managed to calculate the value of pi to the somemany-th decimal place.....the problem is the infinite series that..the true value is only obtained for these numbers when the degree of the polynomials is infinity.


Talking of websites: if you go here http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/protondec.html#c1
you will find interesting applications ....Modeling the Probability for Proton Decay and similar ones for other particles......

Zeemini, what say you (re:#30 #34 #38 and the other interacts here)

#39 by queen_cut&paste

Zeemax is trying like hell to convince you lot about the goodness of his God.

Where did you get this crazy idea of my convincing anyone ``about the goodness of his God``? I`ve never said that. I only tell these morons about the `God` that sure knows how to kick ass. :)

Do you guys know he and Philosopher are whiskey drinking god-people.

Yeah you said some funny spelling Lafreoig something right? I`ll try that.

I believe in trying everything once, and twice if I like it ... and so on ... !!!!

#39 by queen_cut&paste

Zeemax is trying like hell to convince you lot about the goodness of his God.

Where did you get this crazy idea of my convincing anyone ``about the goodness of his God``? I`ve never said that. I only tell these morons about the `God` that sure knows how to kick ass. :)

Do you guys know he and Philosopher are whiskey drinking god-people.

Yeah you said some funny spelling Lafreoig something right? I`ll try that.

I believe in trying everything once, and twice if I like it ... and so on ... !!!!