Whence Then is Evil?

# 100 continued

But as you know, zee, you do NOT need too many of such lovers of Islam. Just two things (1) a few who are willing to do WHATEVER needs be done, and (2) some way to support them for as long as they might need help.

Zee, people who actually believe in Islam and care for God`s faith enough to want it above all else have not even taken up the Hafsa subject seriously, unless I missed it :(

As mentioned on Atif`s board, I do think believers might not want to conclude any real loss so soon. Rather they might want to use this time to do some real cold, hard-boiled analysis: Do they really want Islam badly enough to care for nothing else? If they do, then the goal should not be and cannnot be of analyzing any `failure` but understanding why, relative to so many other countries, Pakistan has been so much slower in experiencing Islamic change. And then determining what methods must be adopted to speed the process.

If there are not sufficient numbers of Pakistanis who want and love Islam over everything else, then promoters and talkers of Islam might as well take their big marbles and go home. :)

God is the second best thing manmade aftger sliced bread

#96 by kaalchakra,

No ... well ... maybe. That`s why ``Revealed God`` doesn`t make sense in a human framework.:)

BTW, why`re you making such a conspicuous absence from the Hafsa subject?

Yeah, Zee, I absolutely recall! That was when we were discussing sufis or Al Ghazali having discovered absolute knowledge or something. Right?

I think you had mentioned allah ki raza (reza?) - ``Will of God`` concept?


Sorry, didn`t pay it that much attention then, since you know what I think of Sufis and their ``Islam.``

Anything specific you had in mind?

... add-on #93...

But of-course your addressee wouldn`t know anything about `Mashi`at` ... now would he?

I recall having a little conversation about that with you on some board a long time ago ...

#91 by kaalchakra

To repeat, while ``Go-od`` HAS to be beyond human ``sense`` and human senses, ``Revealed God`` MUST make sense in a human framework.

LoL Kaal ... as I have said often before, You`re the limit ... !

But it`s good to have the language skills honed .... no? So `Go-od` must be `Good` to have made that possible .... :~)

Gill writes <<< There are 99 attributes of Allah many of which conflict with one another. >>>

Look, fool, not only have you not been able to address anything I wrote, you`re making claims that are totally false. First, there are more than 99 attributes that describe the `personality` of God in the Quran, the Mullahs decided to stop at 99, that is their problem, and NONE of those attributes contradict the other, that is your limited/sophomoric intelligence that tells you that they do...

Gill sahib

Many of these interacts are simply beyond me since they are framed exclusively for semitic and, as in Parthaab`s case, Leninist/Maoist minds.

Here is something that many Indians would agree with.

Where does evil come from? It comes from the same place and source that man comes from.

Go-od, by which I mean the ``Indian God,`` cannot be understood. So talking of human will with respect to such a God is a wasteful excercise (it is not totally useless. For instance, it is excellent for honing one`s language skills).

We can only speak of the ``Revealed God`` - God as understood, ``captured,`` by our knowledge at any time. May be that is what you mean by ``something less than God.`` We Indians call it a descended form of God. To be ``true`` this God HAS to make sense in a human framework.

To repeat, while ``Go-od`` HAS to be beyond human ``sense`` and human senses, ``Revealed God`` MUST make sense in a human framework.

As a corollary, speaking of ``religion`` is nonsense, unless we first specify what we are talking about - specifically what kind of ideas.

Make that distinction, specify what good and evil mean to you, and, Indians argue, you may begin to see where evil comes from.

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Granted, like anything else, this may not be true, and may be as much Sanskrit to many as detailed discussions of God and free will are Latin to me....:)

sorry, #89 was meant for the burqa board .....

zeemax, philosopher and echo (?) ...

...... since you guys receive your welfare checks from her majesty`s government, you might want to be careful - your budding careers as aspiring cyber jihadis might be in jeopardy ........... the uk, and the rest of the civilized world, has had enough ..... as for the chicks with sticks and the younger male `students`, i really feel sorry for them and blame their parents for their predicament - the state should not allow them to return to their homes .........

LONDON, July 5: Three ‘cyber-jihadis’ who used the Internet to urge Muslims to wage holy war on non-believers were jailed for between six-and-a-half and 10 years on Thursday in the first case of its kind in Britain.

Tariq Al-Daour, Younes Tsouli and Waseem Mughal had close links with Al Qaeda in Iraq and thought there was a ‘global conspiracy’ to wipe out Islam, the Woolwich Crown Court in southeast London was told.

Moroccan-born Tsouli, 23, was jailed for 10 years; UAE-born Al-Daour, 21, received a six and half years sentence; and 24-year-old Mughal, who was born in Britain, was given seven and half years.

Sentencing them, Judge Charles Openshaw said the men had engaged in ‘cyber jihad’, encouraging others to kill ‘kuffars’ or non-believers.

Re: # 89
[...Three ‘cyber-jihadis’ who used the Internet to urge Muslims to wage holy war on non-believers were jailed for between six-and-a-half and 10 years on Thursday in the first case of its kind in Britain...]

Alright - finally the brits are waking up... way to go...

But zeemax has nothing to worry... his backup plan is ready: red purse, blue burkha and the paki-made getaway ``car``...

But philo and masadi are scr@wed... they have nowhere to hide...

Yes, parthaab

Let`s ban religion, now!

Brothers and sisters, Parthaab bans religion!! Let it be known to all.

Re: # 87

Kaalchakra

(((((Yes, parthaab

Let`s ban religion, now!

(((Brothers and sisters, Parthaab bans religion!! Let it be known to all.)))))


ROFL.,.


see you guys soon..

Brainwashing has taken a new meaning. Not only youngsters, but now
educated people are willing to be brainwashed and `educated` in nonsense
and superstition called religion.


We should recognise religious brainwashing in madrasas, which must be
investigated by Indian intelligence agencies and destroyed with an
iron hand NOW!


If ever there was a blaring call to ban religion - muslim, jew, sikh,
christian or hindu, THIS IS IT! It is high time we banned religion.


Religious brainwashing of youngsters should be made a punishable
offence with immediate effect.

the root of all evil