Mohammad Gill July 17, 2007
#23 Posted by ana on July 17, 2007 7:38:20 pm
Kulharee,
Granted we are free to ask this question here in the USA, my question is why are we still asking this question about a woman or a black man? If we are still having to ask this question then let me tell you, this beautiful system as you so describe it, has not evolved much in the past how many years. I take it that you have either heard or read (or both) Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I have a dream" speech. This question only reinforces what some of us people of color are still painfully aware of. We are not being judged by the content of our character, but the color of our skin. So if you think this question is part of the "beauty" of our system, that is your opinion. Obama's experience should be the primary factor here. Not the fact that he is black. But of course it would not have made sense to have said Is America Ready For An Inexperienced President. After all we have had one for the past eight pinche years. Some of us already know the answer to that question.
Granted we are free to ask this question here in the USA, my question is why are we still asking this question about a woman or a black man? If we are still having to ask this question then let me tell you, this beautiful system as you so describe it, has not evolved much in the past how many years. I take it that you have either heard or read (or both) Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I have a dream" speech. This question only reinforces what some of us people of color are still painfully aware of. We are not being judged by the content of our character, but the color of our skin. So if you think this question is part of the "beauty" of our system, that is your opinion. Obama's experience should be the primary factor here. Not the fact that he is black. But of course it would not have made sense to have said Is America Ready For An Inexperienced President. After all we have had one for the past eight pinche years. Some of us already know the answer to that question.
#22 Posted by Kulharee on July 17, 2007 7:10:22 pm
Re: # 21
Dear Ana, it is the beauty of this system that anyone can ask such questions. Can you imagine asking if Pakistan is ready for an Ahmadi President (yes, Ahmadis are citizens of Pakistan). It even allows foreigners to poke fun of its ways. Imagine someone questioning Prophet Mohammad’s prophethood in some Islami countries?
Dear Ana, it is the beauty of this system that anyone can ask such questions. Can you imagine asking if Pakistan is ready for an Ahmadi President (yes, Ahmadis are citizens of Pakistan). It even allows foreigners to poke fun of its ways. Imagine someone questioning Prophet Mohammad’s prophethood in some Islami countries?
#21 Posted by ana on July 17, 2007 6:54:24 pm
With all due respect to Gill sahib, who has put together this article, and all the rest of you, I personally am tired of this question. Black people are citizens of this country and if one of them runs for president, more power to them. Regardless of whether America is ready or not, there are folks other than our white brothers and sisters who will be running for president, and maybe not Obama, but one day a change is going to come.
Also the insinuation that Obama is an Uncle Tom is insulting and quite ridiculous.
Also the insinuation that Obama is an Uncle Tom is insulting and quite ridiculous.
#20 Posted by warpster on July 17, 2007 6:42:16 pm
Please fix the interacts format (to what it used to be).. rest of the changes seem well intentioned and may (eventually) work well. Give us a choice to go back to the old look and feel (as much as feasible). thanks.
#19 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 17, 2007 4:16:24 pm
Isn't Obama an Uncle Tom? More pertinently, wont he have to be a 'house nigger' (in the words of the great Malcolm X) to have any realistic chance of being elected POTUS?
I think Mrs. Clinton has more chance of winning the nomination this time round but Obama is still young enough to run again the next time round or the time after that...
I think Mrs. Clinton has more chance of winning the nomination this time round but Obama is still young enough to run again the next time round or the time after that...
#18 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 17, 2007 12:51:31 pm
Good read Gill sahib,
He [Bill Clinton] is so popular that many [among the blacks] call him the first black president of America.
He was immensly popular in gay community as well but no one calls him first gay president of America :)
He [Bill Clinton] is so popular that many [among the blacks] call him the first black president of America.
He was immensly popular in gay community as well but no one calls him first gay president of America :)
#17 Posted by GT on July 17, 2007 11:03:44 am
Reply to #16 by echoboom:
"we are all guilty of this namak-slavery"
I would not go that far ... 'we all' ... but you got a solid point. I call it the 'mai-baap' syndrome.
"we are all guilty of this namak-slavery"
I would not go that far ... 'we all' ... but you got a solid point. I call it the 'mai-baap' syndrome.
#16 Posted by echoboom on July 17, 2007 10:04:24 am
Not at all Pathans & gurkhaas too...post 1857
and Pre-1857 Brahmins, muslim nawabs, poorabyaas, & tilangaas.
This namak loyalty is the root problem. Dharam loyalty without never namkeen.
here the claim was by khalsaa..so the reply.
we are all guilty of this namak-slavery.
and Pre-1857 Brahmins, muslim nawabs, poorabyaas, & tilangaas.
This namak loyalty is the root problem. Dharam loyalty without never namkeen.
here the claim was by khalsaa..so the reply.
we are all guilty of this namak-slavery.
#15 Posted by Pardesi on July 17, 2007 10:02:53 am
All of us from that region have same DNA and are humans first and formost. Proud does not mean arrogant. It just means secure in who you are.
Obama is a nice guy, just needs more experience. Dont care what any president's religion is. This place civilizes people over time and they will do what's right for USA.
GT is right. 1857 loyalties were based upon each community's interests and their experiences at the hands of others. Nothing new.
Bye for now.
Obama is a nice guy, just needs more experience. Dont care what any president's religion is. This place civilizes people over time and they will do what's right for USA.
GT is right. 1857 loyalties were based upon each community's interests and their experiences at the hands of others. Nothing new.
Bye for now.
#14 Posted by GT on July 17, 2007 9:40:06 am
Reply to #13 by echoboom,
Boom sahib:
You say, "and then one ends up as Mandi Bhaudin Punjabi Khalsas licking the hand that feeds them..like in 1857."
You conviniently forget the pathans (and the gurkhas)! Why? Selective recall or ignorance of history?
Boom sahib:
You say, "and then one ends up as Mandi Bhaudin Punjabi Khalsas licking the hand that feeds them..like in 1857."
You conviniently forget the pathans (and the gurkhas)! Why? Selective recall or ignorance of history?
#13 Posted by echoboom on July 17, 2007 9:20:46 am
Beware!
There might be a President Aurangzeb Obama someday...you might have to watch your diet then. Khalsa DNA's do get mixed up with Papppas, Jaats & RaamGarRiyyahs, khatris, and Gujjars...
and then one ends up as Mandi Bhaudin Punjabi Khalsas licking the hand that feeds them..like in 1857.
There might be a President Aurangzeb Obama someday...you might have to watch your diet then. Khalsa DNA's do get mixed up with Papppas, Jaats & RaamGarRiyyahs, khatris, and Gujjars...
and then one ends up as Mandi Bhaudin Punjabi Khalsas licking the hand that feeds them..like in 1857.
#12 Posted by Pardesi on July 17, 2007 9:05:45 am
#11 echo
No need to check :). Solid Mandi Bhaudeen Punjabi Khalsa DNA and proud of it.
On top of it, not a Namak Harami and therefore a loyal American :).
No need to check :). Solid Mandi Bhaudeen Punjabi Khalsa DNA and proud of it.
On top of it, not a Namak Harami and therefore a loyal American :).
#11 Posted by echoboom on July 17, 2007 8:57:45 am
#10 Posted by Pardesi
Stop bashing Americans please :)
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Anyone who does not bash USA or suggests not to bash USA should have his DNA checked...for geneology. :)
Stop bashing Americans please :)
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Anyone who does not bash USA or suggests not to bash USA should have his DNA checked...for geneology. :)
#10 Posted by Pardesi on July 17, 2007 8:53:01 am
America is ready for a black president but not Obama. Obama does not have demonstrable experience as senator or governor. Lot of potential though.
Collin Powell would have won in 2000, if he had decided to run.
Stop bashing Americans please :)
Collin Powell would have won in 2000, if he had decided to run.
Stop bashing Americans please :)
#9 Posted by Urstruly on July 17, 2007 8:42:45 am
I think O'Bama is just a poster boy. He will be the presedent of USA on the day when fish will ride bicycle. On the other hand Guiliani closely fits the profile of a typical US President - psycopath, and a genocidal maniac - so I think he is the first choice of the establishment i.e. US elite. Voting system is a very articulate and calculated fraud and does not count.
#8 Posted by arjun2 on July 17, 2007 8:15:11 am
They are pathologically paranoid of Islam.
This is BS, plain and simple. They are afraid of islamofascism, not islam.
Plus, there was a poll that said americans would sooner elect a muslim to the white house than an atheist.
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