Yasser Latif Hamdani July 30, 2007
#93 Posted by MantoLives on July 31, 2007 10:46:18 am
Re: # 92
My friend... the Government's guestimate was based on Madrassa's own claims and way before the siege started.
The fact of the matter is that a fortnight later we don't even have a single piece of evidence to prove either of the two things:
1. That the Government is fudging figures
or
2. That the Government has suppressed evidence...
The whole White Phosphorus joke didn't do much for the credibility of the accusers (WP is a material used to create smokescreen and camouflage and is almost as much a chemical weapon as tear gas)...
My friend... the Government's guestimate was based on Madrassa's own claims and way before the siege started.
The fact of the matter is that a fortnight later we don't even have a single piece of evidence to prove either of the two things:
1. That the Government is fudging figures
or
2. That the Government has suppressed evidence...
The whole White Phosphorus joke didn't do much for the credibility of the accusers (WP is a material used to create smokescreen and camouflage and is almost as much a chemical weapon as tear gas)...
#92 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 10:43:26 am
#91 Posted by MantoLives,
Manto, the figures don't tally. As per the Govt's own published estimates there were 2500 plus girls aged between 7-19 in there. The Hafsa management also kept quoting around the same figure. 592 came out in the early stage also as per Govt's lists released. Another 27 came out with Umme-Hassan just before the final assault and the phosphorous. That is 619. Whaere did the rest go?
Manto, the figures don't tally. As per the Govt's own published estimates there were 2500 plus girls aged between 7-19 in there. The Hafsa management also kept quoting around the same figure. 592 came out in the early stage also as per Govt's lists released. Another 27 came out with Umme-Hassan just before the final assault and the phosphorous. That is 619. Whaere did the rest go?
#91 Posted by MantoLives on July 31, 2007 10:37:20 am
Re: # 90
Probably because there is NO evidence of such an outrageous figure really.
Probably because there is NO evidence of such an outrageous figure really.
#90 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 10:34:20 am
Urstruly,Echoboom,
Can you believe the english language press has not reported that figure at all? Quoted in the National Assembly? I had read this report and then read Dawn and the others. No mention at all.
Can you believe the english language press has not reported that figure at all? Quoted in the National Assembly? I had read this report and then read Dawn and the others. No mention at all.
#89 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 10:32:14 am
... contd ... #88
Actually there's no www. Rest of URL is correct ... :-)
Actually there's no www. Rest of URL is correct ... :-)
#88 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 10:27:54 am
#84 Posted by Urstruly,
The url should be /Sub_Images/ instead of /Images/
The url should be /Sub_Images/ instead of /Images/
#87 Posted by echoboom on July 31, 2007 10:19:44 am
Urstruly:
CHOWK is fine, only some gestating glitches in their baitaa-CPU. Have some heart.

CHOWK is fine, only some gestating glitches in their baitaa-CPU. Have some heart.

#85 Posted by MantoLives on July 31, 2007 10:15:09 am
Re: # 10
Dear Saima,
Worshipping the right way or wrong way is not the issue. I think the remarkable internal confusion that we face itself is capable of fueling us into creating remarkable art.
A fascinating comparison is the respective Pakistani and Indian "pop" music scenes... the "restrictive" Pakistani society creates songs, music and videos that firmly stamp themselves in your mind. The unrestricted Indian "pop" scene is an endless array of remixed old movie songs with a lot of scantily clad ugly women doing some chicken dance.
The same is true of fashion, culture, art... I strongly believe that it is Pakistan and Pakistani society that has the upheavel to create true art and true culture. In many ways... we- and not the Indians- are destined to create lasting art and contribution to human consciousness. Visit Taxila or Takhtbai... what do you see, except an obsession with this right way.
Dear Saima,
Worshipping the right way or wrong way is not the issue. I think the remarkable internal confusion that we face itself is capable of fueling us into creating remarkable art.
A fascinating comparison is the respective Pakistani and Indian "pop" music scenes... the "restrictive" Pakistani society creates songs, music and videos that firmly stamp themselves in your mind. The unrestricted Indian "pop" scene is an endless array of remixed old movie songs with a lot of scantily clad ugly women doing some chicken dance.
The same is true of fashion, culture, art... I strongly believe that it is Pakistan and Pakistani society that has the upheavel to create true art and true culture. In many ways... we- and not the Indians- are destined to create lasting art and contribution to human consciousness. Visit Taxila or Takhtbai... what do you see, except an obsession with this right way.
#84 Posted by Urstruly on July 31, 2007 10:13:03 am
Once again

or
http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20070731/Sub_Images/11002345 97-2.gif
or
http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20070731/Sub_Images/11002345 97-2.gif
#83 Posted by Urstruly on July 31, 2007 10:12:00 am
Zeemax
I wanted to post this news item which reports that the issue of 1500 martyred school children at lal Masjid was brought up in the national assembly. The news report in fact uses the word 'school children"
I wanted to post this news item which reports that the issue of 1500 martyred school children at lal Masjid was brought up in the national assembly. The news report in fact uses the word 'school children"
#82 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 9:51:05 am
#80 Posted by Urstruly,
Urstruly, try without the quote marks. What are you trying to post? Gimme the url and lemme see if it works ...
Urstruly, try without the quote marks. What are you trying to post? Gimme the url and lemme see if it works ...
#81 Posted by Urstruly on July 31, 2007 9:48:27 am
Re: # 79
Yesterday a man called the Queen of Holland a prostitute and a judge their ordered the man to be hanged with his gonads. Times are a changin'
Yesterday a man called the Queen of Holland a prostitute and a judge their ordered the man to be hanged with his gonads. Times are a changin'
#80 Posted by Urstruly on July 31, 2007 9:46:15 am
Re: # 78
But that is tentamount to censorship. I wonder whom Chowk Staff is trying to protect with their blasphemy laws.
But that is tentamount to censorship. I wonder whom Chowk Staff is trying to protect with their blasphemy laws.
#79 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 9:44:30 am
... but I know if the pic is too big, it'll not be posted in this new chowk format. So try resizing and upload to some image archive and link it from there. flickr.com automatically resizes.
#78 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 9:42:26 am
#77 Posted by Urstruly.
Yeah it's the same code. Maybe chowkstaff banned you from posting the columns .... these blokes have become really crafty ... :)
Yeah it's the same code. Maybe chowkstaff banned you from posting the columns .... these blokes have become really crafty ... :)
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