Khuda Ke Liye

Re: # 217

DOn't you think Mantolives is wasting his time trying to be (in various proportions)
(a) a lawyer
(b) journo
(c) activist
(d) agitator
(e)progressive
(f) regressive
(g) reactionary

etc.

His real calling is Marketing. This man knows how to spin, and can convince many that shit is channel no:5, and there are many who will buy it even. (I mean it in an extremely positive manner).

With Mantolives around, who needs a spin cycle?

Manto mian,

In the other post you were taking umbrage at Mehndi Hassan being described as Indian and now you are taking offence at KKL being described as Bollywood.

Now I am sure you would also be claiming that Farida Khanum, Noorjehan Begum, Abida Parveen, Dr. Abdus Salaam, Aunty Shamim and Begum Nawazish Ali are also Pakis and not Indians.

Regards

Iron mask mian,

That record must exist in your head... as most things do. What do I have to do with Aryan Mahatma and his loyal Nazi Party? I have denounced Gandhiism in all its forms and manifestations... Naziism being the worst.


Dear Swarrier,

So thats your answer ... it is not plural "Only ONE Indian news agency did it". Now you definitely meet the criterion.

So ONE news agency spreads it around as "Bollywood flick" and several newspapers call the film "naseeruddin shah's film" and/or "naseeuddin shah starrer"... even though the great Indian thespian is there in one scene- though a significant one not in length but in content.

Is it not fair to say that Indian news agencies are trying to give it this Indian connection which does not exist? Saying that the Hindu did not print it is no argument. I already said a reputable paper won't... otherwise what would be their credibility? You came here in disbelief as if no Indian was capable of it... now you are trying to cover your tracks by coming up with a silly excuse

And where the hell did I claim Rang de Basanti was an art movie? So what is it... you didn't have an argument... so you start making up stories.

Also... this KKL is NOT an art film. And I do consider popular culture art. It is the popular culture that determines the calibre of a people. We can see India's calibre in its pop videos and films. Forgive me for thinking that Pakistan and India has the same proportion of those who shake their head from side to side on such elitist fancies as "dhrupad" etc... they definitely don't constitute the nation ... neither here nor there.

So stop "expecting" anything from me. I don't expect anything from you except lies, deceit and hypocrisy.

Iron mask mian,

That record must exist in your head... as most things do. What do I have to do with Aryan Mahatma and his loyal Nazi Party? I have denounced Gandhiism in all its forms and manifestations... Naziism being the worst.


Dear Swarrier,

So thats your answer ... it is not plural "Only ONE Indian news agency did it". Now you definitely meet the criterion.

So ONE news agency spreads it around as "Bollywood flick" and several newspapers call the film "naseeruddin shah's film" and/or "naseeuddin shah starrer"... even though the great Indian thespian is there in one scene- though a significant one not in length but in content.

Is it not fair to say that Indian news agencies are trying to give it this Indian connection which does not exist? Saying that the Hindu did not print it is no argument. I already said a reputable paper won't... otherwise what would be their credibility? You came here in disbelief as if no Indian was capable of it... now you are trying to cover your tracks by coming up with a silly excuse

And where the hell did I claim Rang de Basanti was an art movie? So what is it... you didn't have an argument... so you start making up stories.

Also... this KKL is NOT an art film. And I do consider popular culture art. It is the popular culture that determines the calibre of a people. We can see India's calibre in its pop videos and films. Forgive me for thinking that Pakistan and India has the same proportion of those who shake their head from side to side on such elitist fancies as "dhrupad" etc... they definitely don't constitute the nation ... neither here nor there.

So stop "expecting" anything from me. I don't expect anything from you except lies, deceit and hypocrisy.

Yasser:

I do not know about Shoaib Mansoor. However, I may know about pull-marketing among in mass-consumer markets.

There is nothing unethical in creating viral effects through selective and sensationalized leaks, if that is what you are implying. All this marketing plan may have been put together by an independent marketing company. There is a lighthearted common belief, the marketing guys start lying, as soon as they open the mouth. There mouths and brains create amazing marketing phenomena.

Re: # 215
stop pulling his leg. He is a follower of MAJ, a greater necrophiliac than Mantolives cannot be found.

He is capable of following in the footsteps of MAJ, with a G&T in one hand and a ham sandwich in the other through the airports of Riyadh and jeddah.

Right manto ;-()

YLH
so when are you going to the bedouinland for the haj? are you even allowed there - being qadiani and all?

Re: # 213
yeah, sock it to the guy! He is the one who has be on record as saying, Nazis were great visionaries, and he sympathised with their views and methods.

Hi Manto mian. Still chasing and fighting shadows I see.

#210: Mantolives

There is no need to get offensive Manto, it shows you are descending into mouthing inanities. Now this is your post

((The Indian news agencies were trying to promote it as the "much awaited bollywood flick"... untill Shoaib Mansoor stepped in and pointed out that the only thing Bollywood has to do with is one bollywood actor who is there for less than 10 minutes.))

All I requested was clarification. One news agency is not agencies. Two or three websites carrying the same report is just one agency reporting. I remember you were trying to teach people about singular and plural nouns a few posts ago. So you must know the difference.

Again no reputable Indian newspaper that I read carried this mention "Bollywood flick".
I expect more from you, even if you, in your juvenile fantasies think Rang de Basanti is an Indian art film and pop music is the ultimate expression of art.

Beg your pardon that was July 3... not July 13.

PS: And why shouldn't I call a liar a liar? Why should I resist speaking the truth. You can take your sensibilities and shove them where the sun don't shine.

Re: # 208

When I first searched Khuda Kay Liye... after its July 13th Karachi premiere... I read it on atleast 20-30 such Indian sites. Having it on ANI is bad enough.

But before you sort out my issues ... you ought to see that you started off pathetically expressing disbelief almost as if no Indian could ever do it. Then when I showed you that one of the largest Indian news agencies did it... you declared that it must have come from Karachi.

Now you want me to produce any other report... except ANI... instead of bowing out with dignity. Then you claim with a straight face that "Proof of the pudding lies in eating it"... as if there was any more eating you could do.

And who said anything about you mentioning Shah. My reference was to the other Indian news agencies which reported on July 13 "Lal masjid fatwa again naseeruddin shah's film" ... as if it was some sort of an Pakistani-Indian issue.

My guess is that you meet in toto the minimum level I asked Pakwolf about in 198.

Re: # 207

What it throws out is what troubles you the most. Hence you chew on it .. and chew on it... and so on and so forth...

Re:#186 Mantolives.
Give me the list of websites Manto that list a report different from ANI with claims it is a Bollywood flick. If it is the report from ANI only one Indian news agency (if ANI is such) has claimed it is a Bollywood flick.

I used google and it gave me the same ANI report on about 3 websites. So you tell me how many Indian news agencies have gone to town about this supposed Bollywood flick.
Even Rediff etc have not reported it as a Bollywood flick let alone the Hindu, the Statesman, TOI etc.
So do provide other news agencies. The proof of the pudding lies in its eating.

By the way I did not mention Mr.Shah you did. Try lessening your spin. Even your erstwhile admirers will (should) not fall for your prevarication.
I see you still cannot resist bringing in people who have not yet said anything about your article. You do have some issues that need to be sorted out.

I think having double in your case is probably true.
Your mouth appears to be the same, at least from what it
throws out.

Re: # 204

This advice is better addressed to yourself.