Khuda Ke Liye

Pakwolf

"resentment" towards pakis is mostly in response to jihad declared against india... and big0try that is being practiced against hindus in particular and india in general, in all forums official and non-official - in paki govt policies as well as at paki "civil" society level... even text books are filled with blatant anti-hinud and anti-kafir propaganda...

Prolonged kashmir jihad, kargil war, parliament and other attacks in india has contributed immensely towards "demonization" of pakiland and rightly so...

Besides, the "demonization" has turned out to be all true... pakiland is a veritable terrorist breeding ground - exporting islamic terror around the world... So, what we have recognized years ago is now being recognized by the world at large - so much so that US presidential candidates are taking tough positions on pakiland...

See - we are NOT at all "ignorant" about the reality of pakiland... we know exactly what is going on there... and the world does too...

Anil...

Then you obviously don't know Shoaib Mansoor...

Kaalchakra,

I can assure you PakWolf is not me... the difference between Bacha Khan and those who remained back in India is quite clear however.

While many who had been League stalwarts... like Hasrat Mohani or Muhammad Ismail... became loyal Indian citizens working for the betterment for their community and standing for a pluralistic democratic India ... Bacha Khan - despite his oath of allegiance- with Gandhi's blessings released the whole Pushtun nationalist shosha, called into question the future of Durand Line and declared that owing to the westernised leadership Pakistan would never be a Sharia based state... hence Pathans needed their own state.

So while one praises Ghaffar Khan for his valiant fight against colonial rule (remember Jinnah alone campaigned for his release from prison in 1930 or 1931 and his inclusion in the round table delegation), one fails to see the unflinching "goodness" even from the Indian point of view... unless ofcourse you want to desperately believe it.


Pakwolf,

Very aptly put.

Swarrier...

How pathetic. It is either you don't know how the agencies work or you are just being dishonest ... I'd like to believe it is the latter. ANI probably got the report off from a press release... added the words "Bollywood flick"... and then spread it around. Next you are going to tell me "Naseeruddin Shah's Film" was also not a brilliant Indian idea?

The story was carried by most Indian news websites etc. If you search Bollywood flick and Khuda Kay Liye... you'll see what I am saying. But if you expect The Hindu to feature in that list... I would hope not... because The Hindu is a great newspaper which has always given a balanced picture. I am guessing that it would not have carried it like this.

However... India is unfortunately full of Sadna types... who will twist anything to one up on Pakistan... and people who read The Hindu etc are few and far between.

pakwolf, is that you, Manto? Because that is the kind of thing that Manto will say and I agree fully.

There is one more 'unpseakable/hidden truth' in India, that you may, as a nationalist, recognize as an issue.

One always knew that not all Muslims/Hindus/Christians who campaigned vigorously for Pakistan moved to Pakistan. Many decided to stay back. I just learnt that some of these people continued - in Nehru's time - to hold important offices in public service.

Now, if you look at it from a non-Muslim, nationalist position, that is the most amazing and absurd situation possible. To claim that people are the same, equally dedicated to your country just because they live in your country does not make sense, except to Gandhi-Nehru who never understood anything in the first place. For all his supposed goodness (from Indian point of view), even Badshah Khan had to pay a heavy price.

So, thanks to Gandhi-Nehru, inter-religious problems continued to plague India, in many ways undiminished. That sectarian problems have unfortunately risen in Pakistan does not negate the issue of differing religious perceptions in India - at least from the layman's perspective.

In reply to Nandan’s post #172.

It never fails to shock me how ignorant our neighbors’ across the border are about their perception vs. reality of the current Pakistan society.


It is safe to say that Indian Hindus see Pakistani Muslims in the prism of Indian Muslims. Having said that we share the same religion with some Indian counter parts but over 60 years of independence we have evolved into our own distinct identity.

As Pakistani writer Mohsin Hamid put it eloquently:

“I think the demonization of Pakistan in India is more than here because Pakistan has no substantial Hindu community. So the average Pakistani deals with India only as a concept. There is not much entrenched actual bigotry. India, on the other hand, has over 100 million Muslims. This is a very real issue, sometimes a very real problem for many Indians. Pakistan gets lumped along with that, so the resentment towards it in India is much more�.

In my numerous personal encounters with Indian foreign students in US where I also came as a foreign student I recalled introducing myself without feeling the need to identify myself as a Pakistani Muslim. I noticed that the Hindu students ridiculed the minorities. But as soon as I told them I am Pakistani suddenly I could experience the chill in the air almost fear and then these same Indian students would be reluctant to say a word against Muslims.
As a freshman I made friends with a guy from Bombay and another one from Aligarh and in one discussion I mentioned the obvious that in comparison Indian has far more poverty than Pakistan. I recall the Muslim boy from Aligarh cautioning me “That not to so say such things as the Hindus get angry� this came as a revelation because for one thing I had no fear saying what I want to an Indian regardless of their religious orientation in their face.

At this point I realized the Indian Muslim phenomena of appeasing the Hindus to stay on their good sides to avoid the wrath of the dominant community. Now as a Pakistani I can easily say that I never came across a Hindu person so I had no concept of it and I was always shocked to see the ignorance they had about Pakistan in general that every woman wears a burqa or hijab man have beards etc. I believe the Indians base this concept on the miss-information fed to them by jingoistic Indian and western media along with what they have experienced with their own Muslim population which by rule as a minority population would be more apt to defend its norms against the dominant environment as suggested by social-anthropologists.

Re: # 182 Zeemax

Here again you see, is the vidence that Na Pak fouj used Napalm Bombs to incinerate school children to death in this massacre. This is what Um-e-Hassaan refers to as "Petrol Bombs".

If memory serves me right, Geneva Convention prohibits the use of Napalms during the combat operation and this was no combat operation. It was simply a massacre of school children. This brings this crime of Na Pak fouj at par with that of Saddam Hussain who used American supplied chemical weapons on Communist faction of Kurds in 1980s. This also qualifies this case to be brought to the notice of ICC - International criminal Court in the Hague who tries murderous despots like Milosovich and Musharaf.

Yasser:

I would not be surprised that it is all part of "release" marketing gimmick to compare and claim to be from Bollywood. Looking at the popularity of Bollywood in Pakistan, this gimmick can fill the cinema halls, for many to go and compare.

I also agree with your implicaiton that from chaos comes out the creativity. Pakistani artist can create and leverage Bollywood machine (it indeed is a powerful machine) to benefit from their talents.

Re: # 178

The same questions are also directed towards Yazids and Shimmers too, which he refers to as Liberal Fascists. But from them he does not ask for an answer. Here is a poem dedicated to the Libral Fascists of this day:



Qatilo Yeh jagha kuchh naee to naheen
Ye jagha is se pahle bhi sajti rahee
Fauj ke silsile aur tabl-o-alam
Lashkaron ki safen, azm ke qafile
Jan lene ka dar, jan dene ki dhun
Puri dunyan pe qabze ka tha ek nasha
Taj ki takht ki bhook thi ek taraf
Aur yaheen the who sab,
Sar pe bahdhe kafan
Jo usulon pe mitne ko tayyar the
Is jagha zulm ki had muqarrar hui
Aur shahadat ke paimane banche gaye
Yeh wahee ret hai, yeh wahee dhool hai
Nainawa hai wahi, karbala hai wahee
Teer bhi, sang bhi, bediyan bhi wahee
Ham ne pahle bhi parkhe hain zalim yahan
Ham ne pahle bhi dekhe hain naizon pe sar
Khoon-e-nahaq ki khushboo hai ab tak yahan
Is ko pahchan lo,



Qatilo Yeh jagha kuchh naee to naheen
Ye jagha is se pahle bhi sajti rahee

Jeet kar jang pahle bhi hare the tum
Jeet kar jang phir har jao ge tum
Aur tareekh apne ko dohraigee
Qatilo is se pehle bhi aisa hua
Qatl ho kar bhi bazee hamari rahee

Qatilo Yeh jagha kuchh naee to naheen
Ye jagha is se pahle bhi sajti rahee

------- Gauhar Raza

Re;#176
Manto I asked a simple question. You have provided me one link that even I found, but I was unable to find any reputable Indian newspaper that represented this film as a Bollywood flick. New Kerala may represent a prominent website to you but it is not to me and a host of other Indians. As for ANI I see that the news comes from Karachi, what is to prevent me from saying that it was report from Pakistan.
One news report copied on a couple of websites does not equal touting a film as a Bollywood flick.
One swallow does not a summer make.

As far as trickery is concerned I think the shoe is firmly on the other foot since you are trying to pass of a single news report as something that every news agency carried.

I see my task is not going to be easy. -)

One wonders why Hamid Mir has gone to Kufa... at such an important time in our history.

HAMID MIR and Survivors of Lal Masjid Massacre ask some poignant questions from Ehl-e-Kufa.

Swarrier...

Are you back to your trickery to defend the indefensible?

Read this:

http://www.newkerala.com/july.php?action=fullnews&id=46884

And then try searching "Bollywood flick" and Khuda Kay Liye in google.

ANI is perhaps the largest privately owned Indian news agency ... after PTI ... I think.

Does anybody know which were the prominent indian news agencies that claimed this to be a Bollywood flick?

nandan,

Mian thank God for that indeed. And no one is comparing this to Rang de basanti... we don't wish to insult "Khuda Ke Liye".