Yasser Latif Hamdani July 30, 2007
#1 Posted by echoboom on July 30, 2007 10:02:17 pm
I will wait to hear the reaction from those who are not secularoon & do not eschew or espouse secularoonism.
Masood Ash'ar of Jang has also praised this movie in the same laudatory hyperbole..and his past as a muslim is not very cherished either.
Could you provide some info on Shoaib Mansoor which indicates that he is not a secularoon/Liberaloon?
otherwise, it is business as usual.
The argument, and that too in a court of law, that Jinnah & Iqbal were beardless to garner sympathy for KanjarR behaviour is really very hysterically laughable. Some KanjarRoon also try to convince themselves that their IQ is equal to Ghalib's because they too are into rUNdee baazi & sharaab.
Are the movie-houses full of westoxicated types..pretending to be foreignish in Chapaati-Land?
Masood Ash'ar of Jang has also praised this movie in the same laudatory hyperbole..and his past as a muslim is not very cherished either.
Could you provide some info on Shoaib Mansoor which indicates that he is not a secularoon/Liberaloon?
otherwise, it is business as usual.
The argument, and that too in a court of law, that Jinnah & Iqbal were beardless to garner sympathy for KanjarR behaviour is really very hysterically laughable. Some KanjarRoon also try to convince themselves that their IQ is equal to Ghalib's because they too are into rUNdee baazi & sharaab.
Are the movie-houses full of westoxicated types..pretending to be foreignish in Chapaati-Land?
#2 Posted by Ras on July 30, 2007 10:12:21 pm
YLH
We are waiting quite impatiently for this film
here in California. But can one movie undo 30 years
of damage? Maybe we can chalk this effort as a new
beginning?
Saw the Pakistani Parade/Mela Program from London on GEO.
It was wonderful to watch such a colorful and vibrant
community.
Khuda Ke Liyay is mohim ko jaari rakhyay.....
Ras
We are waiting quite impatiently for this film
here in California. But can one movie undo 30 years
of damage? Maybe we can chalk this effort as a new
beginning?
Saw the Pakistani Parade/Mela Program from London on GEO.
It was wonderful to watch such a colorful and vibrant
community.
Khuda Ke Liyay is mohim ko jaari rakhyay.....
Ras
#3 Posted by majumdar on July 30, 2007 10:13:46 pm
Manto mian,
Haven't seen the movie and unlikely to unless I can get hold of a DVD in Delhi (unlikely again) so can't speak much about the movie.
(two men who did the greatest service to Islam in Pakistan, Mahomed Ali Jinnah and Allama Iqbal)
So this was what attracted you to a movie, mention of ur hero MAJ (pbuh). But how come u have not taken exception to the fact that MAJ has been depicted as a crusader for Islam and not Muslims/Pakistanis irrespective of faith?
(the scene which once again made a Muslim out of me.)
So what were u b4 this? Qadiani.
Regards
Haven't seen the movie and unlikely to unless I can get hold of a DVD in Delhi (unlikely again) so can't speak much about the movie.
(two men who did the greatest service to Islam in Pakistan, Mahomed Ali Jinnah and Allama Iqbal)
So this was what attracted you to a movie, mention of ur hero MAJ (pbuh). But how come u have not taken exception to the fact that MAJ has been depicted as a crusader for Islam and not Muslims/Pakistanis irrespective of faith?
(the scene which once again made a Muslim out of me.)
So what were u b4 this? Qadiani.
Regards
#4 Posted by dullabhatti on July 30, 2007 11:10:26 pm
echoboom chacha your oon poon reminds me of this Punjabi drama I saw on youtube few days ago.
This character called (say) Sheehda Mistry has just come back from Dubai and speaking ThaiTh punjabi by adding "oon" behind every word...he is trying to impress the other mirasis on the stage with his Arabic accent and language skills.
After few minutes one other bhanD that actually knows Arabic starts cursing him generously in Arabic...as he kept delivering Arabic dialogs other characters on the stage started lining up in a "saff"...Tariq Teddy lifts his hands as in dua and kneels on the floor while addressing to the Arabic cursing bhanD "yaar, ikk Naani jaan lai vi paRh dey..wichari baRhi changi hundi si".
:)
This character called (say) Sheehda Mistry has just come back from Dubai and speaking ThaiTh punjabi by adding "oon" behind every word...he is trying to impress the other mirasis on the stage with his Arabic accent and language skills.
After few minutes one other bhanD that actually knows Arabic starts cursing him generously in Arabic...as he kept delivering Arabic dialogs other characters on the stage started lining up in a "saff"...Tariq Teddy lifts his hands as in dua and kneels on the floor while addressing to the Arabic cursing bhanD "yaar, ikk Naani jaan lai vi paRh dey..wichari baRhi changi hundi si".
:)
#5 Posted by dullabhatti on July 30, 2007 11:13:14 pm
echoboom, I am sure Shoaib Mansoor is a kanjroon otherwise why would a Mullachoon or conservatoon act in a movie?:)
#6 Posted by dullabhatti on July 30, 2007 11:13:45 pm
Ras, is this movie coming to theatre in Cali? e.g. Naz8?
#7 Posted by masadi on July 30, 2007 11:21:21 pm
Echo "otherwise, it is business as usual."
I have not seen that movie yet so I will not comment on the specifics but given its source, i.e. the CIAs media outpost in Pakistan, GEO, it will be USDI (US department of Inferiors)(which includes all of the non-caucasian world according to the US elite) stamped, funded and approved.
I have not seen that movie yet so I will not comment on the specifics but given its source, i.e. the CIAs media outpost in Pakistan, GEO, it will be USDI (US department of Inferiors)(which includes all of the non-caucasian world according to the US elite) stamped, funded and approved.
#8 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 1:23:22 am
Has this guy seen the movie yet? Please send him a courtesy copy and maybe he will lay down that awful thing and pick up a bag of munchies:
#9 Posted by Dash_Dot on July 31, 2007 1:26:11 am
Manto, thanks for the review,
I have not seen the movie, but have heard the sound track/songs. And they have all the elements I dislike a lot.
And this is the horrible nasal intonation. South asian lanuguages are beautiful, but when the northerners, specifically punjabis use URDU, Hindi etc there is a horrid and awful nasal tone/twang which kills the words/lyrics etc.
The lrics are very good. The music to the lyrics leaves a lot to be desired.
My crib about the sound tracks - waiting for the DVD!
I have not seen the movie, but have heard the sound track/songs. And they have all the elements I dislike a lot.
And this is the horrible nasal intonation. South asian lanuguages are beautiful, but when the northerners, specifically punjabis use URDU, Hindi etc there is a horrid and awful nasal tone/twang which kills the words/lyrics etc.
The lrics are very good. The music to the lyrics leaves a lot to be desired.
My crib about the sound tracks - waiting for the DVD!
#10 Posted by SaimaShah on July 31, 2007 1:56:02 am
Dear Yasser
Plan to watch this movie asap:) can't pass up anything by Shoaib Mansoor in any case. Your comments on Rang De Basanti are what I would like to address here. Rang De Basanti is a movie for the far more cynical youth of India than for the very idealistic youth of Pakistan. India is going through a completely different cultural phase whereas Pakistan is not. Soul searching and emotional discontent is 'normal' ways to experience life among Paksitanis as though angst is our copyright. Soul searching is not common among pragmatic people in India, where survival is a far more difficult job than in Pakistan. I sometimes wonder if emotional wiring of the person reared on the Urdu language is different:). In terms of soul searching and sheer effort to udnerstand themselves, the 80s in India were a closer decade to what Pakistan is going through in 2007. A journalist in Pakistan can write about political things, literary things and get a living. In India, nobody will read him. Philosophical themes are not common among the Indian youth--it is cultural. Peopel who dance to express themselves have no mental time to feel sad. It also interests me that pantheism as a spiritual practice does not require the global understanding of who 'we' are that Islam does. For example, you can choose what to worship how to worship where to worship etc., without any confusion on the 'right' way. Whereas for the past several hundred years, the debate on the right way to practice Islam has kept people of Islam full of worry, angst and confusion as to what being good is all about. It sounds like Shoaib Mansoor has exposed that terrible doubt about what it means to be Muslim.
Plan to watch this movie asap:) can't pass up anything by Shoaib Mansoor in any case. Your comments on Rang De Basanti are what I would like to address here. Rang De Basanti is a movie for the far more cynical youth of India than for the very idealistic youth of Pakistan. India is going through a completely different cultural phase whereas Pakistan is not. Soul searching and emotional discontent is 'normal' ways to experience life among Paksitanis as though angst is our copyright. Soul searching is not common among pragmatic people in India, where survival is a far more difficult job than in Pakistan. I sometimes wonder if emotional wiring of the person reared on the Urdu language is different:). In terms of soul searching and sheer effort to udnerstand themselves, the 80s in India were a closer decade to what Pakistan is going through in 2007. A journalist in Pakistan can write about political things, literary things and get a living. In India, nobody will read him. Philosophical themes are not common among the Indian youth--it is cultural. Peopel who dance to express themselves have no mental time to feel sad. It also interests me that pantheism as a spiritual practice does not require the global understanding of who 'we' are that Islam does. For example, you can choose what to worship how to worship where to worship etc., without any confusion on the 'right' way. Whereas for the past several hundred years, the debate on the right way to practice Islam has kept people of Islam full of worry, angst and confusion as to what being good is all about. It sounds like Shoaib Mansoor has exposed that terrible doubt about what it means to be Muslim.
#11 Posted by majumdar on July 31, 2007 2:13:39 am
Maulana Zeemax (RA),
If that poor had a normal upbringing and learnt to appreciate normal things like watching a movie, reading comics etc. rather than waste his time in some madarsa, he wudn't have become the suicide bomber that he seems to have become.
Regards
If that poor had a normal upbringing and learnt to appreciate normal things like watching a movie, reading comics etc. rather than waste his time in some madarsa, he wudn't have become the suicide bomber that he seems to have become.
Regards
#12 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 2:16:51 am
#11 Posted by majumdar,
I didn't know there were many madrasas in Iraq, are there? How is it then people there are walking around with these things?
Unless of-course I'm wrong and Iraq is full of madrassas.
I didn't know there were many madrasas in Iraq, are there? How is it then people there are walking around with these things?
Unless of-course I'm wrong and Iraq is full of madrassas.
#13 Posted by majumdar on July 31, 2007 2:28:55 am
Maulana Zeemax (RA)
Sorry. I thought that the pictures you had posted were from MWFP/POK/B'stan/Afghanistan etc. But I am sure even Iraq has fundoo religious schools, the Iraqis may not call them madarsas, which is a different matter.
Never mind if that fellow had acquired a taste for movies it is unlikely that he wud have taken up a gun.
Regards
Sorry. I thought that the pictures you had posted were from MWFP/POK/B'stan/Afghanistan etc. But I am sure even Iraq has fundoo religious schools, the Iraqis may not call them madarsas, which is a different matter.
Never mind if that fellow had acquired a taste for movies it is unlikely that he wud have taken up a gun.
Regards
#14 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 2:35:01 am
majumdar,
Mr. Majumdar, the guy who blew up the PM's motorcade was a Bachelor's of Commerce from M.A.O College, Lahore.
Anyhow, do send a copy of this film to the gent in the photo. It's never too late to acquire a taste for movies.
Mr. Majumdar, the guy who blew up the PM's motorcade was a Bachelor's of Commerce from M.A.O College, Lahore.
Anyhow, do send a copy of this film to the gent in the photo. It's never too late to acquire a taste for movies.
#16 Posted by majumdar on July 31, 2007 3:29:22 am
Maulana Zeemax (RA),
(Anyhow, do send a copy of this film to the gent in the photo. It's never too late to acquire a taste for movies. )
I don't have a copy, Manto mian has and I am sure he won't mind sending him a copy. If it can change the guys mind, the director would have achieved a noble feat.
(the guy who blew up the PM's motorcade was a Bachelor's of Commerce from M.A.O College, Lahore.)
Interesting. I hope all these college graduates first blow up all the murtadoon, munafiqoon, kanjaroon and all such oons-poons in their own country b4 they target us kaffiroons from across the borders. Thank God for MAJ (pbuh).
Bharat Ratna MAJ amar rahein.
Regards
(Anyhow, do send a copy of this film to the gent in the photo. It's never too late to acquire a taste for movies. )
I don't have a copy, Manto mian has and I am sure he won't mind sending him a copy. If it can change the guys mind, the director would have achieved a noble feat.
(the guy who blew up the PM's motorcade was a Bachelor's of Commerce from M.A.O College, Lahore.)
Interesting. I hope all these college graduates first blow up all the murtadoon, munafiqoon, kanjaroon and all such oons-poons in their own country b4 they target us kaffiroons from across the borders. Thank God for MAJ (pbuh).
Bharat Ratna MAJ amar rahein.
Regards
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